Sorry, more basketball :-(

**Steve Cavigliano** · Jan-27-2005, 11:41 AM

Hello all,
OK, I know I have probably posted too many B-ball shots and you're all pretty sick of them by now. But, I have gotten lots of useful feedback from the group, regarding my previous B-ball pics, which I think have really helped the "viewability" of my shots. For this I thank you

If I could ask you to induldge me one more time

Because of the soduim vapor lighting, I am having color issues with my images. I use Custom WB and have tried RAW adjustments and jpg level adjustments. Still, my images seem to be too yellow

Last night, I was pretty fed up and figured WTH, I'm going to do a Custom WB and shoot jpg only. RAW doesn't seem to be helping much, so why waste my time with it?

Anyhow, these are jpgs, from last night, with white dropper levels and white and black dropper curves and I lowered the mid and shadow yellow color balance (more blue). I also had to use selective color-White, on some of them, to get the yellow out of the white uniforms.

Are these results any better?

I'd appreciate any input on the post processing done. Any other comments would be gravy

Thanks in advance. This is really bugging me and I can't seem to get over this hump

Thanks for looking,
Steve

gus · Jan-27-2005, 11:56 AM

No advise from me other than keep doing it steve...they are sharp.

This wasnt with the Bigma was it ?

Nir · Jan-27-2005, 11:58 AM

Hey Steve!

I'm not even going to try dealing with the post processing - going to leave that to the pros. I usually just play around until I'm satisfied (or not). The photos look great to me!
But hey, you said you were learning from the feedback here! Where are the cheerleaders?!

**Harryb** · Jan-27-2005, 02:05 PM

More B-ball shots!

You're almost as bad as me.

Seriously. the shots are ok. The first one is outstanding. Your post work is on the mark, just keep doing what you are doing.

I like the first shot best because the players aren't lost in the background like the follwoing shots. Have you tried shooting with less dof?

Harry

**Steve Cavigliano** · Jan-27-2005, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humungus

No advise from me other than keep doing it steve...they are sharp.

This wasnt with the Bigma was it ?

Thanks Gus

No, this wasn't the Bigma. This is fastttttttt glass territory. Even F2.8 lenses won't get the speed you need in this poor lighting. I was using the Canon 85mm F1.8. I used an F2.2 aperture, 1/500 speed, ISO1600 and still wound up under exposing by about 1/3-1/2 stop, on most of them.

These are basically Parameter 1 jpgs tweaked with levels and/or curves.

Thanks for looking,
Steve

**Steve Cavigliano** · Jan-27-2005, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nir

Hey Steve!

I'm not even going to try dealing with the post processing - going to leave that to the pros. I usually just play around until I'm satisfied (or not). The photos look great to me!
But hey, you said you were learning from the feedback here! Where are the cheerleaders?!

Thanks Nir

Yeah, post processing can be an art form and I'm definitely no artist....lol I do the same as you, but I have a real bad eye (I think it's the right one...lol) for skintones and color. As long as the color is in the ballpark, I'm OK with it. But, I'm trying to get these shots to look as good as possible for the players and their families.
I think they're getting better, but then again what do I know?

No cheerleaders either

That's OK too. With my luck, they'd be male

Thanks for looking,
Steve

**pathfinder** · Jan-27-2005, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Cavigliano

Hello all,
OK, I know I have probably posted too many B-ball shots and you're all pretty sick of them by now. But, I have gotten lots of useful feedback from the group, regarding my previous B-ball pics, which I think have really helped the "viewability" of my shots. For this I thank you

If I could ask you to induldge me one more time

Because of the soduim vapor lighting, I am having color issues with my images. I use Custom WB and have tried RAW adjustments and jpg level adjustments. Still, my images seem to be too yellow

Last night, I was pretty fed up and figured WTH, I'm going to do a Custom WB and shoot jpg only. RAW doesn't seem to be helping much, so why waste my time with it?

Anyhow, these are jpgs, from last night, with white dropper levels and white and black dropper curves and I lowered the mid and shadow yellow color balance (more blue). I also had to use selective color-White, on some of them, to get the yellow out of the white uniforms.

Are these results any better?

I'd appreciate any input on the post processing done. Any other comments would be gravy

Thanks in advance. This is really bugging me and I can't seem to get over this hump

Thanks for looking,
Steve

I think you ARE over the hump. Steve. The whites are white, the blacks are black, and the skin tones look pretty good. For shooting available light under sodium lights this is as good as I've seen. Very well done!

**Steve Cavigliano** · Jan-27-2005, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harryb

More B-ball shots!

You're almost as bad as me.

Seriously. the shots are ok. The first one is outstanding. Your post work is on the mark, just keep doing what you are doing.

I like the first shot best because the players aren't lost in the background like the follwoing shots. Have you tried shooting with less dof?

Harry

LOL Harry, and you probably thought I was going to post an egret

I'm pretty limited and predictable. Birds, B-ball and the occassional surf shot....lol At least you'll never have to worry about posting to any "Steve C won a KPOTD" threads

Thanks for the nice comments

Yeah, this DOF stuff is tough

The only way I can get shallower, with the 85mm and it's 136mm FOV, is to be so close, that all I get is head and shoulders. Great for portraits, but not too good for basketball. Especially, since just about all the players are huge....lol

This is about the best DOF I can get and still get enough player in the frame, for the pic to make sense.

I think I'm going to invest the $80 and give the 50mm F1.8 Mk II a try. It's 80mm FOV, might help me get a blurier BG and yet still be able to get the entire player in the frame

Thanks for looking,
Steve

**Steve Cavigliano** · Jan-27-2005, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pathfinder

I think you ARE over the hump. Steve. The whites are white, the blacks are black, and the skin tones look pretty good. For shooting available light under sodium lights this is as good as I've seen. Very well done!

PF,
Thank you and that's really good news

Now all I have to do is go back and reprocess 100 images

At least this time I'll have a clue.....lol

Thanks again for all the assistance. It is very much appreciated

Steve

Ann McRae · Jan-27-2005, 08:33 PM

Hey Steve - they do seem to have lost some golden glow.

I also get color shifts, far less frequently when I do a custom wb than before. Sometimes I can correct and sometimes i just kinda say WTH and leave 'em. I do not think there is any really good way around this prblem - those lights are just evil!

Good stuff - keep 'em coming!

ann

Jan-27-2005, 11:41 AM	#1
Steve Cavigliano SmugFlash Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 3,600	Sorry, more basketball :-( Hello all, OK, I know I have probably posted too many B-ball shots and you're all pretty sick of them by now. But, I have gotten lots of useful feedback from the group, regarding my previous B-ball pics, which I think have really helped the "viewability" of my shots. For this I thank you If I could ask you to induldge me one more time Because of the soduim vapor lighting, I am having color issues with my images. I use Custom WB and have tried RAW adjustments and jpg level adjustments. Still, my images seem to be too yellow Last night, I was pretty fed up and figured WTH, I'm going to do a Custom WB and shoot jpg only. RAW doesn't seem to be helping much, so why waste my time with it? Anyhow, these are jpgs, from last night, with white dropper levels and white and black dropper curves and I lowered the mid and shadow yellow color balance (more blue). I also had to use selective color-White, on some of them, to get the yellow out of the white uniforms. Are these results any better? I'd appreciate any input on the post processing done. Any other comments would be gravy Thanks in advance. This is really bugging me and I can't seem to get over this hump Thanks for looking, Steve __________________ www.pbase.com/slo2k http://freezeframephotography.smugmug.com "When people look at my pictures, I want them to feel the way they do when they want to read a line of a poem twice." Robert Frank - Photographer

Jan-27-2005, 11:58 AM	#3
Nir Major grins Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: jerusalem, israel Posts: 1,313	Hey Steve! I'm not even going to try dealing with the post processing - going to leave that to the pros. I usually just play around until I'm satisfied (or not). The photos look great to me! But hey, you said you were learning from the feedback here! Where are the cheerleaders?! __________________ __________________ Nir Alon http://TIPUSIM.com in Jerusalem images of my thoughts

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Jan-27-2005, 11:56 AM	#2
gus Major grins Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: the wasteland Posts: 16,204	No advise from me other than keep doing it steve...they are sharp. This wasnt with the Bigma was it ?

Jan-27-2005, 02:05 PM	#4
Harryb The Amiable Mod Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Viera, Florida Posts: 18,165	More B-ball shots! You're almost as bad as me. Seriously. the shots are ok. The first one is outstanding. Your post work is on the mark, just keep doing what you are doing. I like the first shot best because the players aren't lost in the background like the follwoing shots. Have you tried shooting with less dof? Harry

Jan-27-2005, 08:33 PM	#10
Ann McRae SmugMug Hero - Tights have arrived..... Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,503	Hey Steve - they do seem to have lost some golden glow. I also get color shifts, far less frequently when I do a custom wb than before. Sometimes I can correct and sometimes i just kinda say WTH and leave 'em. I do not think there is any really good way around this prblem - those lights are just evil! Good stuff - keep 'em coming! ann