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Old Dec-26-2005, 09:00 PM   #1
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The 2+ terabyte Question

I am currently considering joining smugmug, but have a serious problem. Over the last 2 years I have amassed 2484.98 GIGS (yes that is 2+ terabytes) which is stored over way to many dvds. Now if my calculations are correct it would take me 103360 hours, 12 minutes and 4 seconds under optimal connections to load my albums. I have a cable connection with a 60Kb upload rate.

Reading the smugmug faq is states that DVD's can be purchased for $22 bucks plus 10 dollars per gig (or something like that), but never talks about having your DVDs restored. So my first questions is does this type of service exist?

Secondly I have full access to a full DS3 connection (90+ megs/sec) which I could use to upload, But i'm sure smugmug has bandwidth throttling. So my second is question is what are the connections throttled at?

While I realize this is an extreme situation I'm sure as more people embrace digital photography the problem is only going to get worse. To make matters even worse I problably create on average 1 - 2 gigs a week.

Can Smugmug deliver a solution to address my need?
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Old Dec-26-2005, 09:12 PM   #2
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I am currently considering joining smugmug, but have a serious problem. Over the last 2 years I have amassed 2484.98 GIGS (yes that is 2+ terabytes) which is stored over way to many dvds. Now if my calculations are correct it would take me 103360 hours, 12 minutes and 4 seconds under optimal connections to load my albums. I have a cable connection with a 60Kb upload rate.
Wowza! You're a prolific shooter...

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Reading the smugmug faq is states that DVD's can be purchased for $22 bucks plus 10 dollars per gig (or something like that), but never talks about having your DVDs restored. So my first questions is does this type of service exist?
DVD's restored? You mean having smugmug send you your 2.48498 Tb of pics on DVDs just as you have them right now if something happens to them? I doubt it, but I don't know for certain.

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Secondly I have full access to a full DS3 connection (90+ megs/sec) which I could use to upload, But i'm sure smugmug has bandwidth throttling. So my second is question is what are the connections throttled at?
From some of the posting from Don and Chris, I'm pretty sure that smugmug doesn't have bandwidth throttling. I could very well be wrong but they have talked about users that take advantage of massive bandwidth at the office.

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While I realize this is an extreme situation I'm sure as more people embrace digital photography the problem is only going to get worse. To make matters even worse I problably create on average 1 - 2 gigs a week.
Probably won't be an issue as stated above

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Old Dec-26-2005, 09:18 PM   #3
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I didn't see any throttling

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I am currently considering joining smugmug, but have a serious problem. Over the last 2 years I have amassed 2484.98 GIGS (yes that is 2+ terabytes) which is stored over way to many dvds. Now if my calculations are correct it would take me 103360 hours, 12 minutes and 4 seconds under optimal connections to load my albums. I have a cable connection with a 60Kb upload rate.

Reading the smugmug faq is states that DVD's can be purchased for $22 bucks plus 10 dollars per gig (or something like that), but never talks about having your DVDs restored. So my first questions is does this type of service exist?

Secondly I have full access to a full DS3 connection (90+ megs/sec) which I could use to upload, But i'm sure smugmug has bandwidth throttling. So my second is question is what are the connections throttled at?

While I realize this is an extreme situation I'm sure as more people embrace digital photography the problem is only going to get worse. To make matters even worse I problably create on average 1 - 2 gigs a week.

Can Smugmug deliver a solution to address my need?
I have, in the past, uploaded 1000 images at a time from a T1 connection and the uploads go extremely fast so I don't think smugmug was throttling anything on their end at the time. Why don't you just sign-up with the free trial account and try it out. I used StarExplorer to do my uploads. It let's me set up a whole hieararchy of galleries and uploads ahead of time and then just do all the uploads in one unattended session.
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Old Dec-26-2005, 09:19 PM   #4
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DVD's restored? You mean having smugmug send you your 2.48498 Tb of pics on DVDs just as you have them right now if something happens to them? I doubt it, but I don't know for certain.
LOL... No I will send them MY stacks of DVDs and they can restore them to my account.... This would be a great service....
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Old Dec-26-2005, 09:48 PM   #5
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LOL... No I will send them MY stacks of DVDs and they can restore them to my account.... This would be a great service....
You can send them electronically
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Old Dec-26-2005, 10:05 PM   #6
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I have, in the past, uploaded 1000 images at a time from a T1 connection and the uploads go extremely fast so I don't think smugmug was throttling anything on their end at the time. Why don't you just sign-up with the free trial account and try it out. I used StarExplorer to do my uploads. It let's me set up a whole hieararchy of galleries and uploads ahead of time and then just do all the uploads in one unattended session.
yeah I will sign up for the trial and see if I can move 2 tera bytes in 7 days... I will report back the results. StarExplorer looks nice, but I only use Linux... I will have to find something else...

Thanks for your help.
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Old Dec-27-2005, 12:01 AM   #7
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This will be very entertaining. Can't wait to see the servers croak under the load and Smugmug having to buy an XRaid fully loaded just for your site LOL.
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Old Dec-27-2005, 05:17 AM   #8
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Have you ever thought about saving them as quality 10 jpgs? Over that many files that would save a lot of space.
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Old Dec-27-2005, 05:34 AM   #9
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Can Smugmug deliver a solution to address my need?
Hi bl8ter, welcome to Dgrin and SmugMug.

These help pages might be of use to you.

http://www.smugmug.com/help/faqgen
http://www.smugmug.com/help/photo-storage

Backups are for us to create copies of what you have stored:
http://www.smugmug.com/help/backups

We don't have a service where you can send us your dvds, sorry about that.

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Old Dec-27-2005, 08:42 AM   #10
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Hi bl8ter, welcome to Dgrin and SmugMug.

These help pages might be of use to you.

http://www.smugmug.com/help/faqgen
http://www.smugmug.com/help/photo-storage

Backups are for us to create copies of what you have stored:
http://www.smugmug.com/help/backups

We don't have a service where you can send us your dvds, sorry about that.

All the best,
I read the http://www.smugmug.com/help/faqgen and it specifies 24gig yearly limit( or 2gigs per month) of bandwidth. Is this only for viewing? or does this include the uploading of pictures also.

Thanks.
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Old Dec-27-2005, 08:50 AM   #11
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I read the http://www.smugmug.com/help/faqgen and it specifies 24gig yearly limit( or 2gigs per month) of bandwidth. Is this only for viewing? or does this include the uploading of pictures also.

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Bandwidth is serving up your images to your viewers. 4gb for standard accounts, 8gb for Power users, 16gb for Pros. Does not include uploading or any html served up by SmugMug to your viewers.
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Secondly I have full access to a full DS3 connection (90+ megs/sec) which I could use to upload, But i'm sure smugmug has bandwidth throttling. So my second is question is what are the connections throttled at?

Sounds like if they don't already they better do it soon!
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Bandwidth is serving up your images to your viewers. 4gb for standard accounts, 8gb for Power users, 16gb for Pros. Does not include uploading or any html served up by SmugMug to your viewers.
Great.... I am signing up today... Thanks for all your help!
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I am currently considering joining smugmug, but have a serious problem. Over the last 2 years I have amassed 2484.98 GIGS (yes that is 2+ terabytes) which is stored over way to many dvds. Now if my calculations are correct it would take me 103360 hours, 12 minutes and 4 seconds under optimal connections to load my albums. I have a cable connection with a 60Kb upload rate.
Are these JPEGs? Or BMP/PSD/TIFF/RAW? Smugmug doesn't accept anything but JPEGs, GIFs, or PNGs. If they *are* JPEGs, you're the most prolific shooter we've ever met (and I thought we'd met them all!).

If you don't mind my asking, what resolution are they and what compression settings did you use?


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Reading the smugmug faq is states that DVD's can be purchased for $22 bucks plus 10 dollars per gig (or something like that), but never talks about having your DVDs restored. So my first questions is does this type of service exist?
We don't do this, but I've heard of a few other people offering this service. In fact, I think Nikolai does. He's on this forum, you might ask him.


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Secondly I have full access to a full DS3 connection (90+ megs/sec) which I could use to upload, But i'm sure smugmug has bandwidth throttling. So my second is question is what are the connections throttled at?
A DS3 is actually 45 MegaBits per second, or 5.6 megs per second. We can handle that without impacting other customers, I think. There is no throttling, though you may be the straw that changes our policy. :) Your best bet to get full bandwidth is to upload early morning (midnight - 5am PST).

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While I realize this is an extreme situation I'm sure as more people embrace digital photography the problem is only going to get worse. To make matters even worse I problably create on average 1 - 2 gigs a week.

Can Smugmug deliver a solution to address my need?
Once we understand your needs a little better (# of photos, format, compression level, resolution), I'm hoping we can deliver a solution for you. But I really don't know.

Ideally, we'd at least need a few weeks warning before you shoved all the photos at us so we can make sure our available storage matches. :)

Anyway, let's keep talking and see what we can do. I'm intriguiged by your prolific shooting capacity. :)

Thanks!

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Are these JPEGs? Or BMP/PSD/TIFF/RAW? Smugmug doesn't accept anything but JPEGs, GIFs, or PNGs. If they *are* JPEGs, you're the most prolific shooter we've ever met (and I thought we'd met them all!).

If you don't mind my asking, what resolution are they and what compression settings did you use?
They are all JPEGS and are about 6.2 megs each(8MP, 3423 x 2400). I keep them this size because I like to make poster size prints. Like 36x24, etc...


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A DS3 is actually 45 MegaBits per second, or 5.6 megs per second. We can handle that without impacting other customers, I think. There is no throttling, though you may be the straw that changes our policy. :) Your best bet to get full bandwidth is to upload early morning (midnight - 5am PST).
Its dual DS3's... Load balanced. And since its a holiday week its wide open.

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Once we understand your needs a little better (# of photos, format, compression level, resolution), I'm hoping we can deliver a solution for you. But I really don't know.

Ideally, we'd at least need a few weeks warning before you shoved all the photos at us so we can make sure our available storage matches. :)

Anyway, let's keep talking and see what we can do. I'm intriguiged by your prolific shooting capacity. :)

Thanks!

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I travel internationally a lot for my work so I end up taking lots of pictures. On average I am only home only 4 days a month. I normally take a 300gig usb harddrive with me.. I also keep the .RAW images but those i will not upload. I keep those for when I do any editing. The 2+ terabytes are just the JPEGS.
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They are all JPEGS and are about 6.2 megs each(8MP, 3423 x 2400). I keep them this size because I like to make poster size prints. Like 36x24, etc...



Its dual DS3's... Load balanced. And since its a holiday week its wide open.


I travel internationally a lot for my work so I end up taking lots of pictures. On average I am only home only 4 days a month. I normally take a 300gig usb harddrive with me.. I also keep the .RAW images but those i will not upload. I keep those for when I do any editing. The 2+ terabytes are just the JPEGS.
Wow, that must be close to 500,000 JPEGs! Quite a collection - I can't wait to see them. :)

So we've always said "unlimited storage" and we mean what we say. We're happy to take your photos and host them, but we need a little time to prepare.

Just so you know, this is something like a $20,000 first-year commitment for us in terms of disk space, power, cooling, and physical space. You'll basically have two complete RAID arrays to yourself in our datacenter. Of course, you'll only pay your $30, $50, or $100 per year, depending on your account level. Again, we're happy to do it - but I want to be up front here and let you know that we need to order some equipment and get it installed to accept your photos. We're not geared for accepting 2.5TB overnight. :)

We'll also be buying extra image processing machines just for your batch of photos. Luckily, once yours are done, everyone else at smugmug will get to benefit from them, so I don't consider that a cost to host you.

Does that sound fair? Can we ask you to hold off while we order and install the equipment and power required?

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Man this is so exciting!!! You have to use him for your ads and other things to promote smugmug. BTW Are you the buy who takes tons and tons of photos of your dog from DPReview? I think he is going to need a custom bandwidth plan and will help shape smugmug for the next 5 years with all the suggestions he will have.

Don you have to post photos of the RAID's arriving, being taken out of the box, being setup and installed (without compermisiing security). I see this as a big way to help promote smugmug. If this works out, I think he will personally bring in 1,000+ customers. Think of the ads "Smugmug is truly unlimited. I host over 500,000 photos at over 2.5TeraBytes."

Man I can't wait to see how this plays out Drool.
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Does that sound fair? Can we ask you to hold off while we order and install the equipment and power required?

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Holy crap you guys rule...
seriously.

i want to go get some popcorn and see how this thread plays out!
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