Keyword weirdness (catastrophic)

Allen · January 26, 2014

I found this this morning. Keywords seem to be mess up. I have not touched these KW's is years.

Seen under NewSmug photo (logged in)
mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo missouri parks missouri landscapes

Showing in IE (logged out legacy)
keywords: [Indexing: mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo missouri parks missouri landscapes]

NewSmug edit photo details (only one

mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo; missouri parks missouri landscapes

Should be - Missing four ;
mingo national wildlife refuge; autumn; mingo; missouri parks; missouri; landscapes;

The whole keyword gallery of 49 photos are like this.
NewSmug unveiled logged in
http://www.photosbyat.com/keyword/mingo+national+wildlife+refuge/i-HKNNgqR
IE legacy Logged out
http://www.photosbyat.com/keyword/mingo%20national%20wildlife%20refuge

In process of fixing these

Allen · January 26, 2014

Another example of different gallery
This gallery legacy (logged in Firefox)
http://www.photosbyat.com/MissouriParks/Mingo-National-Wildlife-Refuge/952039_NC5nTK#!i=43867856&k=RBPgDpX

See this below photo
keywords: [Indexing: mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo missouri parks missouri landscapes]· Edit

Open Edit keyword box - lost all commas and semi-colons.
"mingo national wildlife refuge" autumn mingo "missouri parks" missouri landscapes

NewSmug under photo
mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo missouri parks missouri landscapes
should be
mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo missouri parks missouri landscapes

I see this in a lot of old galleries.

denisegoldberg · January 27, 2014

This just happened on my site too.

Yesterday my keywords were fine using the feed hack.

Today all keywords for a single photo have been mashed together - where there should be multiple keywords there is now one massive photo. This looks to be a problem with the feed as opposed to using the standard keywords.

--- Denise

Allen · January 27, 2014

denisegoldberg wrote: »

This just happened on my site too.

Yesterday my keywords were fine using the feed hack.

Today all keywords for a single photo have been mashed together - where there should be multiple keywords there is now one massive photo. This looks to be a problem with the feed as opposed to using the standard keywords.

--- Denise

Is this from that show-all KW hack? Just checked mine and hasn't happened yet. Perhaps the cache of
the hack server has not been updated for mine yet.

On your /keyword page looks like all the semi-colons were discarded.

denisegoldberg · January 27, 2014

Allen wrote: »

Is this from that show-all KW hack? Just checked mine and hasn't happened yet. Perhaps the cache of
the hack server has not been updated for mine yet.

On your /keyword page looks like all the semi-colons were discarded.

Yes.

It does look like the semi-colons were discarded, but I don't believe they were. If you click on any of the "keywords" that are mashed in together you get a no photos found. So I suspect it's in that feed. It's unfortunate because that moves me back to the "only 255 keywords showing" state which again makes the keywords unusable.

I'll leave it in right now but I'll probably move it to an unlisted page later today, will add a link for Lamah to look at - but as it is right now it needs to be removed.

I've reverted /keyword to the standard page.

You can see the problem on my site at http://www.denisegoldberg.com/Find/n-FbVg7.

--- Denise

Allen · January 27, 2014

denisegoldberg wrote: »

Yes.

It does look like the semi-colons were discarded, but I don't believe they were. If you click on any of the "keywords" that are mashed in together you get a no photos found. So I suspect it's in that feed. It's unfortunate because that moves me back to the "only 255 keywords showing" state which again makes the keywords unusable.

I'll leave it in right now but I'll probably move it to an unlisted page later today, will add a link for Lamah to look at - but as it is right now it needs to be removed.

--- Denise

What do you see here for the KW's?
http://www.photosbyat.com/keyword/mingo+national+wildlife+refuge#!i=43867856&k=RBPgDpX

This is what I see
keywords: [Indexing: mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo missouri parks missouri landscapes]· Edit

Edit shows this, no ;
"mingo national wildlife refuge" autumn mingo "missouri parks" missouri landscapes

NewSmug shows this
mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo missouri parks missouri landscapes

Edit box
mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo; missouri parks missouri landscapes

Allen · January 27, 2014

Just checked my smart gallery and in smart rules typing mingo only shows the correct two in the drop. So this doesn't show.
mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo

Allen · January 27, 2014

I have 20 galleries in this category and all but one gallery the keywords are messed up. All show indexing
one long keyword with the semicolons missing. Looking into the "edit keyword" no ;'s are shown.
http://www.photosbyat.com/MissouriParks

What's up Smugmug? All semi-colons are being removed.
This is a massive bug.

Years of work is down the drain.

Allen · January 27, 2014

Update of my last post. Almost every keyword I used a comma and not a semicolon. This was the way that
multiple KW's were separated back then. So it might be them and not semi-colons that are being removed.

I need to check later years.

Looks like the NewSite KW's have indexed with the removed separators leaving one long single keyword.
Legacy site is still indexing.

It's affected my infrared, travel, macro galleries so far.

Allen · January 27, 2014

I now have all these showing on the Legacy keyword page. The two red ones are correct.

mingo • mingo national wildlife refuge • mingo national wildlife refuge animals mingo •
mingo national wildlife refuge autumn animals mingo • mingo national wildlife refuge autumn animals mingo snakes •
mingo national wildlife refuge autumn bugs • mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo •
mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo animals • mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo fungus •
autumn mingo • autumn mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo

missouri parks • missouri parks missouri • missouri parks missouri landscapes •
missouri parks missouri turtles

denisegoldberg · January 27, 2014

Allen wrote: »

What do you see here for the KW's?
http://www.photosbyat.com/keyword/mingo+national+wildlife+refuge#!i=43867856&k=RBPgDpX

Keywords there look good to me. First photo shows:

autumn
herons
mingo
mingo national wildlife refuge
missouri parks

--- Denise

Allen · January 27, 2014

denisegoldberg wrote: »

Keywords there look good to me. First photo shows:
autumn

herons

mingo

mingo national wildlife refuge

missouri parks

--- Denise

I had fixed about half of that gallery. So you might see the fixed ones.
Edit: that is one of the fixed ones and looks ok

1st in gallery (legacy)
http://www.photosbyat.com/MissouriParks/Mingo-National-Wildlife-Refuge/952039_NC5nTK#!i=43862014&k=6rxcmgb
two KW's should be five (IE logged out)
keywords: missouri parks missouri turtles mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo animals
1st in NewSmug gallery, same photo (logged in)
mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo animals missouri parks missouri turtles

denisegoldberg · January 27, 2014

Allen wrote: »

I had fixed about half of that gallery. So you might see the fixed ones.

1st in gallery (legacy)
http://www.photosbyat.com/MissouriParks/Mingo-National-Wildlife-Refuge/952039_NC5nTK#!i=43862014&k=6rxcmgb
two KW's should be five (IE logged out)
keywords: missouri parks missouri turtles mingo national wildlife refuge autumn mingo animals

Yup, that's broken.

Very interesting that the problem I described on my site only seems to be related to the more than 255 keyword hack. Every concatenated keyword I click that's presented from that feed takes me to a "no images found". The non-concatenated keywords still seem to be working properly.

The symptoms on your site are much more serious, definitely a big problem.

--- Denise

Allen · January 27, 2014

denisegoldberg wrote: »

...
The symptoms on your site are much more serious, definitely a big problem.

--- Denise

19 of my 20 Parks galleries are messed up plus infrared, travel, macro galleries.
At least most of them are still indexing on Legacy.
http://www.photosbyat.com/MissouriParks

Allen · January 27, 2014

The best I can tell is they are removing commas that are separating keywords. Checked a bunch
of galleries and it looks like old galleries where commas were used as separators. Have not found
a gallery that semicolons were used that has messed up yet.

pbandj · January 27, 2014

Allen wrote: »

The best I can tell is they are removing commas that are separating keywords. Checked a bunch
of galleries and it looks like old galleries where commas were used as separators. Have not found
a gallery that semicolons were used that has messed up yet.

Allen, have you reported the problem directly to the help desk yet?

Allen · January 27, 2014

pbandj wrote: »

Allen, have you reported the problem directly to the help desk yet?

Yes, four replies back and forth with whoever was on the help desk which didn't have a clue so said
they would pass it on. Couldn't even see the problem looking at the site.

Looks like all the separators were removed from the keywords. I think it's only if you used commas
instead of semicolons. These are mainly older galleries where comma usage was the norm then.

Found in edit KW box.
autumn "alley spring state park" "missouri parks" "missouri state parks" springs mills missouri landscapes

This showing as indexing that long combined KW.
keywords: autumn [Indexing: alley spring state park missouri parks missouri state parks springs mills missouri landscapes]· Edit

devbobo · January 29, 2014

Allen,

This isn't a bug, we are no longer supporting space separated keyword strings.

Please use commas or semi-colons.

Cheers,

David

denisegoldberg · January 29, 2014

devbobo wrote: »

This isn't a bug, we are no longer supporting space separated keyword strings.

Please use commas or semi-colons.

Unfortunately in changing the rules while there were space separated keyword strings on some of our sites, galleries that were keyworded nicely (before the recent change in this) turned into galleries of photos with keywords combined into one word. I spent a number of hours in the bulk keyword tool fixing the suddenly garbage'd sets of keywords. I believe I've fixed them all at this point.

I would be very surprised if Allen and I are the only people who encounter this.

I found that the problem sets of keywords were in galleries from 2009 and earlier.
I don't know if Allen saw a similar pattern.

--- Denise

ChancyRat · January 29, 2014

Could someone elaborate, does this "we are no longer supporting space separated keyword strings" mean this is no longer allowed:

picnics in the park; roses; forests of california;

or that this is not allowed:

picnics in the park, roses, forests of california,

I'm not understand what a "space separated keyword string is", it sounds like any multi-word keyword is not allowed?

denisegoldberg · January 29, 2014

ChancyRat wrote: »

I'm not understand what a "space separated keyword string is", it sounds like any multi-word keyword is not allowed?

multi-word keywords are supported - they need to be separated by either commas or semicolons.

In other words, the set of words between commas or semicolons is a keyword.

--- Denise

ChancyRat · January 29, 2014

Thanks Denise. But - how did anyone ever separate a key word string with spaces? That would never have worked, correct? E.g.:

picnics in the park roses forests of california

Okay, I know, please provide an example of the format that is no longer allowed.
Thanks.

denisegoldberg · January 29, 2014

ChancyRat wrote: »

Thanks Denise. But - how did anyone ever separate a key word string with spaces? That would never have worked, correct? E.g.:

picnics in the park roses forests of california

Okay, I know, please provide an example of the format that is no longer allowed.
Thanks.

They were quoted strings separated with spaces:

"picnics in the park" roses "forests of california"

Up until earlier this week those were 3 keywords. After the change they were re-indexed as one keyword with all of the words together.

--- Denise

ChancyRat · January 29, 2014

Me, I translate that to "double-quote-separated strings are no longer permitted".

I'm also afraid to go looking because I probably have a bunch. :cry

denisegoldberg · January 29, 2014

ChancyRat wrote: »

Me, I translate that to "double-quote-separated strings are no longer permitted".

I'm also afraid to go looking because I probably have a bunch. :cry

The interesting thing was that the screwed up keywords showed in Lamah's more than 255 keywords hack but not on the official keyword page. If I hadn't had the hack installed (plus I saw this thread) I'm not sure I would have realized that there was a problem.

I just looked at your keyword page and it appears you have some of these very long keywords too. Probably best to check.

You probably also want to change the display on that page to fluid as a change made recently changed feed content elements to a fixed (somewhat narrow) width.

--- Denise

ChancyRat · January 29, 2014

denisegoldberg wrote: »

The interesting thing was that the screwed up keywords showed in Lamah's more than 255 keywords hack but not on the official keyword page. If I hadn't had the hack installed (plus I saw this thread) I'm not sure I would have realized that there was a problem.

I just looked at your keyword page and it appears you have some of these very long keywords too. Probably best to check.

You probably also want to change the display on that page to fluid as a change made recently changed feed content elements to a fixed (somewhat narrow) width.

--- Denise

Hmm, I had noticed the narrow column of keywords, hadn't understood why... but nothing I do fixes it. I set the layout to 1500 px and I see the block container is 1500 px, but the width of the column remains something like 250-300 px. What is the trick to fix this?

denisegoldberg · January 29, 2014

ChancyRat wrote: »

Hmm, I had noticed the narrow column of keywords, hadn't understood why... but nothing I do fixes it. I set the layout to 1500 px and I see the block container is 1500 px, but the width of the column remains something like 250-300 px. What is the trick to fix this?

Open the feed element and click the Display tab. Change Width Type to Fluid.

--- Denise

ChancyRat · January 29, 2014

Ah, thanks. I went a little nuts and added 4 vertical images on the right side. Denise would you be kind enough to click the link and tell me (because I don't know how to tell these things) if the size of the images causes a page load problem? I understand if you pass on this, it's completely off-topic.

denisegoldberg · January 29, 2014

ChancyRat wrote: »

Ah, thanks. I went a little nuts and added 4 vertical images on the right side. Denise would you be kind enough to click the link and tell me (because I don't know how to tell these things) if the size of the images causes a page load problem? I understand if you pass on this, it's completely off-topic.

The images load first, then the keywords. I don't think the images add anything to the page (other than to relieve the masses of words).

--- Denise

ChancyRat · January 29, 2014

denisegoldberg wrote: »

The images load first, then the keywords. I don't think the images add anything to the page (other than to relieve the masses of words).

--- Denise

You are SO great. I have to remember if I ask a photographer something about an image, I'm likely opening a can of yummy worms.

you know, in terms of design, etc.
I was mainly concerned about page-loading slow downs, which it sounds like there is a little bit of that. Not sure what it would mean to a slow machine, however. Thanks VERY much.

Allen · January 29, 2014

devbobo wrote: »

Allen,

This isn't a bug, we are no longer supporting space separated keyword strings.

Please use commas or semi-colons.

Cheers,

David

You are right, this is not a bug. Smugmug intentionally DESTROYED every multi-keyword
that was separated with a comma which was how we were instructed to do it by Smugmug. They
could at least have searched and replaced every comma with a semicolon. Maybe part of the indexing code.

Notice how they removed all the commas? Should be five in this but all gone.
"mingo national wildlife refuge" autumn mingo "missouri parks" missouri landscapes

I've spent hours trying to find and fix them all. If one had unveiled it would be impossible to find bad
keywords because Smugmug REFUSES to give us a list of all keywords.

Keyword weirdness (catastrophic)

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