Photoshop Experts Help Please

bf2015 · March 23, 2009

I use Photoshop CS4, and I have a problem I need help with. I think I know the answer, but before I spend an incredible amount of time doing it, I figured I would ask first.

In the image below(this is the non-pp image), I want to remove the chain-link fence from the picture so all that's left is what's behind the fence. Is there an "easier" way to do this BESIDES using the Clone Tool/Panel or the Vanishing Filter? And if those are the only 2 options, is there and easy way to do it? If there is a way to do it, I would really like to know how to do it instead of someone doing it for me (maybe there are tutorials out there already). Thanks so much.

Richard · March 23, 2009

bf2015 wrote:

I use Photoshop CS4, and I have a problem I need help with. I think I know the answer, but before I spend an incredible amount of time doing it, I figured I would ask first.

I'm not an expert, but I know my way around CS3. If this were my shot, I wouldn't even try. There's just too much hidden behind the poles to reconstruct well. Way too much detail to contend with. I suppose this isn't the answer you were looking for, but it does save you a lot of time.

cmason · March 23, 2009

Probably be easier to grab a few shovels and spend a long afternoon digging....

bf2015 · March 23, 2009

Yeah, that's what I figured. Just thought...maybe...

I wonder if they'd take the fence down for the day...

TonyCooper · March 23, 2009

I use CS4 and have repaired some scenes with cloning, layer masks, patches, and even taking selections from one part of a scene and melding them into another part to cover something up. In your photo, I'd take on getting that old chair out of the front, but no way would I attempt to get the fence out. It's just too major a revision. Even if you were successful, you'd have an interesting - but not a great - photograph.

cmason · March 23, 2009

TonyCooper wrote:

I use CS4 and have repaired some scenes with cloning, layer masks, patches, and even taking selections from one part of a scene and melding them into another part to cover something up. In your photo, I'd take on getting that old chair out of the front, but no way would I attempt to get the fence out. It's just too major a revision. Even if you were successful, you'd have an interesting - but not a great - photograph.

Agree with TonyCooper, at the end of the day, you still have a fairly junky barn photo. I think you do have the opportunity to get more creative with your composition. To me the roof of the building is just amazing, so perhaps some cool shots of it with some of the barn showing... closeup on that window, lightfixture?? on the gable end...etc....anyway there is potential here.

bf2015 · March 23, 2009

Yeah, I know it'd be a lot of work, but I have other plans for this photo. I've been doing a little work with it (very creatively) and it just might work out.

So far:

Before:

After:

Check back...I'll keep you posted.

pathfinder · March 23, 2009

I am very interested in a simple way to remove chain link from an image, as well.

But I'll be darned if I know if an easy, simple, effective and non-discernible way to do it!

bf2015 · March 23, 2009

Gee...and I thought mine was going to be difficult! They always make stuffed tigers.

BinaryFx · March 24, 2009

Need to remove a repeating pattern? Think FFT:

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=64775

I recommend reading all the links a few times first, before giving this a go. There are many things to grasp and they are all listed at the various links. Perhaps also do a web search for more (and post the links here if they are good).

For this image, even FFT probably will not be 100% perfect, however it should reduce 90% of the work.

I would copy out the section of fence with a rectangular marquee selection, leaving some unaffected image above and below the fence. I would process this in a separate file. I would extract the luminosity component before running FFT. That is, I would fill the RGB image with white/black/gray and then fade to color blend mode (leaving a grayscale image, which are the luminosity values of the RGB image). Then I would use FFT. Then I would run the inverse FFT to return the image to a regular "human readable" image. Then I would layer the FFT data over the original image and set the blend mode to luminosity.

Then further clean up retouching would be required. This will probably involve floating selections of "clean" pixels over the posts and or using the clone tool and perhaps the healing tools etc.

I gave this a quick test for a few minutes. Results were good for the low res web image, not sure how the original will go.

This is not a very hard retouch for an experienced retoucher, however it will take a lot more time and effort without much retouching experience.

Sincerely,

Stephen Marsh

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~binaryfx/
http://prepression.blogspot.com/

Richard · March 24, 2009

BinaryFx wrote:

Need to remove a repeating pattern? Think FFT:

Hmm...I remember being amazed by this when I first saw it, but I have to say that my own attempts to use it were not very successful. Probably my own fault for not choosing an appropriate image,

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I would be curious to see what Stephen was able to do with PF's shot. Seems to me that the shadows the fence is casting on the tiger would be problematic. Since they are projected on a three-dimensional surface, the shadows are less regular than the fence itself.

BinaryFx · March 24, 2009

Richard wrote:

Hmm...I remember being amazed by this when I first saw it, but I have to say that my own attempts to use it were not very successful. Probably my own fault for not choosing an appropriate image, .

I would be curious to see what Stephen was able to do with PF's shot. Seems to me that the shadows the fence is casting on the tiger would be problematic. Since they are projected on a three-dimensional surface, the shadows are less regular than the fence itself.

Richard, I was not suggesting FFT for the more obvious fence in the second tiger image, I was talking of the original post (it may not work as well with the higher resolution original).

Moving beyond FFT, digital "in-painting" restoration would be more successful for the tiger. One such example from the opensource community here:

http://cimg.sourceforge.net/greycstoration/img/res_zoobird.html
http://cimg.sourceforge.net/greycstoration/demonstration.shtml

Stephen Marsh

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~binaryfx/
http://prepression.blogspot.com/

Richard · March 24, 2009

BinaryFx wrote:

Richard, I was not suggesting FFT for the more obvious fence in the second tiger image, I was talking of the original post (it may not work as well with the higher resolution original).

I misunderstood--sorry. I'm still having trouble understanding when FFT is appropriate and what its limits are. The demos of cages disappearing seem like magic, but my results on similar shots were disappointing. So much to learn...

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pathfinder · March 24, 2009

Like Richard I remember that thread about FFT and how well it removed the fine wire cage in the baseball image. It never worked that well in my hands, but my images had heavier patterns than that fine cage wire.

The removal by inpainting of the parrot in the heavier cage is astounding, but even there there is no shadow of the cage to remove. I would like to see a full size print of the file to evaluate the success also. Small size images on the web can easily hide a lot of issues. But it is astounding to see how well it looked with mouse over.

Regarding my image, like Richard said, it is not only the 2 inch wire fencing that is an issue, but also the shadow of the fencing on the tiger that would need correcting as well.

I was really attempting to be funny as I doubted that the wire and its shadows could be removed without compromising the image quality quite significantly.

Should I reconsider my original opinion, Stephen?

bf2015 · March 24, 2009

BinaryFx wrote:

Need to remove a repeating pattern? Think FFT:

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=64775

Would love to try it but when I install the plugin into PS, it's not there. Any suggestions?

Brian

Richard · March 24, 2009

bf2015 wrote:

Would love to try it but when I install the plugin into PS, it's not there. Any suggestions?

Brian

Did you restart PS after moving the plugin? Are you working with an 8 bit image?

bf2015 · March 24, 2009

Richard wrote:

Did you restart PS after moving the plugin? Are you working with an 8 bit image?

Yeah. The plugin doesn't even show up in the filters drop down. I'm running 64 bit, so I think that's the problem. Know any FFT plugins for 64 bit?

BinaryFx · March 24, 2009

bf2015 wrote:

Yeah. The plugin doesn't even show up in the filters drop down. I'm running 64 bit, so I think that's the problem. Know any FFT plugins for 64 bit?

If you can crop out in high resolution a chunk of the fence and a small bit of the image above/below - I will see how FFT works on the higher res. data. I am not expecting that a more prominent pattern would work as well as the smaller web image, however it still may save some work. This is probably a case for in-painting over FFT when it comes to the high res. data.

Stephen Marsh

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~binaryfx/
http://prepression.blogspot.com/

bf2015 · March 24, 2009

BinaryFx wrote:

If you can crop out in high resolution a chunk of the fence and a small bit of the image above/below - I will see how FFT works on the higher res. data. I am not expecting that a more prominent pattern would work as well as the smaller web image, however it still may save some work. This is probably a case for in-painting over FFT when it comes to the high res. data.

Stephen Marsh

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~binaryfx/
http://prepression.blogspot.com/

Thanks Stephen. I'll try to get you a chunk soon. Much appreciated.

zaher7895123 · May 30, 2010

repair photo developing demerits
i have some pics
but the developing of its film was not good.
and the pics have developing demerits that i can not repair
like red eyes on the side of each one and some have ablack Bar that should be between every photo on the film.
i attached some of them for example.
i want to repair that pics,please help me.

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