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Lovin' It
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Newport News, VA
Posts: 6,409
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How to do AF Microadjustment (50D)
You have this beautiful camera (the 50D) and a host of lenses. But, you mount a lens and take a picture. And you're a pixel-peeper (like me
) and the image doesn't have that stellar sharpness you were hoping for. What do you do?In the past is was the whole send the lens in for calibration, get it back, still not sharp, complain, "Oh, you need to send in the lens and the camera" .... Not any more. You can do it all by and for yourself. And you can do it without doing anything dangerous to you camera - none of that "clean the sensor trauma." The following are the steps I've arrived at to get the job done in the quickest time possible. I've had to develop this because the routine found here didn't work for me. I used it to attempt to dial in a 50mm f/1.4 and the result was a serverly front-focusing lens - not a goodness. Note: In these images, the focus point is on the center of the nearly healed over know near the center of the crops. The steps:
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Scott My Photos, Check out my blog, Operation: Love Reunited Thoughts on photographing a wedding, How to post a picture, AF Microadjustments? Light Scoop Equipment List - Check my profile Last edited by Scott_Quier; Nov-30-2009 at 03:45 AM. Reason: To clarify some of the descriptions |
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Grinning...and bearing it
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Posts: 4,321
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Okay Scott....You are the man!!!
Im sure I will have questions....but this will be a tremendous help. Thanks! Say, one question I do have.... I fully understand calibrating it at a distance you normally use the lens for.....I follow that line of thinking perfectly. I am just curious how well the lens performs after the fact over a wide range of distances. Acceptable?
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Major grins
Join Date: Jan 2008
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Great info and a perfect example of what to use!
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Lovin' It
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Newport News, VA
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me or are just because you think it'll get you what you want ![]() But, to answer your question - I'll probably have an opportunity to find out tomorrow - it's dark out right now. I suspect that it'll all be good given the margin of error we've all been having to deal with all along. How's about you do the test as well as me and we can compare notes? There's an idea ![]() What was interesting is that my 17-55 was off 3, my 70-200 f/2.8 IS was off zero (0), and my 24-105 f/4 was off 8 (all front-focusing) and the offset for each lens was the same on both cameras. That would seem lend credibility to the concept that a lens might need to be calibrated.
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Scott My Photos, Check out my blog, Operation: Love Reunited Thoughts on photographing a wedding, How to post a picture, AF Microadjustments? Light Scoop Equipment List - Check my profile |
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Lovin' It
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Newport News, VA
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Lovin' It
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Newport News, VA
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Here are some 100% crops (800px x 800px) All photos are SOOC - no sharpening, WB correction, contrast ... nothing. These are 17mm, 33mm, and 55mm (all at f/2.8) taken from about 5 feet from the subject - which is about 1/2 of the shortest distance I would normally be using this lens. ![]() These are 17mm, 35mm, and 55mm (again, all at f/2.8) taken from about 45 feet (effectively infinity focus). The 17mm crop appears to be a bit soft - I think it's because I wasn't taking the time to do this right. I noticed the same thing with the 35mm shot and went out to re-do it (which accounts for the different WB - I didn't correct for WB in any of these shots) becuase I wasn't happy with it (it back-focused pretty bad). The second time around it worked well. So, I think the 17mm shot here is also pilot error. The entire gallery with all the original sized images can be viewed here
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Grinning...and bearing it
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana
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Okay, I gave it a shot.
First go 'round with 17-55mm which, by the way, was my sharpest lens on my XTi. 1- adjustment at zero. ![]() +5 ![]() +10 ![]() Then the fine tuning...settled on this a plus 4 ( a different crop, but this is 100% not the previous 3) ![]() Then 85mm F1.8 zero ![]() plus 5 ![]() plus10 ![]() Fine tune at +6 ![]() I hope to pick up where I left off with the 70-200 tommorrow. If I have better light tommorrow I may do a double check on these against tree bark like you did.
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Lovin' It
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Newport News, VA
Posts: 6,409
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A couple of notes on what I see.
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Grinning...and bearing it
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana
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Lovin' It
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Newport News, VA
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Oh, and I used 55mm on the 17-55 and 135mm focal length on the 70-200. Don't ask why for the 17-55 (I may have to revisit that), but the 135 was an attempt at an "average" use focal length for that lens.
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Grinning...and bearing it
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana
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Well, I rechecked the 17-55 and the 85. Practical use will tell me whether it needs to be revisited. I also worked on the 70-200.
Here is what I got..... This is zero on the 85mm....that was in question on the previous posts. Quite soft. ![]() This is where I set it...plus 5. It was hard to make a call between 5 and 6 (my previous setting) ![]() That final plus 5 setting is a 100% crop from this photo. ![]() The 17-55 plus 4 confirmed. ![]() The original frame for the plus three on the 17-55 shot above. ![]() And finally the 70-200. This surprised me some. It was a tad softer than the 17-55 on my XTi. I had all along just taken it as user error....however zero in it was quite soft. I ended up keeping it at plus 6. This is the plus 6 100%crop. ![]() and the image it was cropped from ![]() As I said time...and practical use will tell whether I have achieved anything good, but I think an important point is that Canon has given us an excellent tool. There is quite a bit of difference from one end of the scale to the other....quite a bit of room there for adjustment rather than sending the lenses in for service. Worse case scenario....I set them all back to zero and give it another try! Thanks Scott. Its a good method. I have a sports shooting friend coming over Wednesday and we are going to dial his glass in as well!
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Lovin' It
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Newport News, VA
Posts: 6,409
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The full-sized images look very sharp.
The crops ... not having seen all the crops .... it's hard to tell. An improvement in your technique might be, in the first full-sized image, to focus on the left-edge of the lichen just to the left and below the 100% crop rectangle. This would greatly improve one's abilty to determine exactly the position of the plane of focus. This helped me to take the guess work out of my example in post #1. Like you say, it's the real-life photographs that are going to tell the whole story.
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Scott My Photos, Check out my blog, Operation: Love Reunited Thoughts on photographing a wedding, How to post a picture, AF Microadjustments? Light Scoop Equipment List - Check my profile |
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Laffin' & Blastin'
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Apparently this device can also be rented, which I learned after placing my order; that's probably worth considering.
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Lovin' It
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Newport News, VA
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Grinning...and bearing it
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana
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Well heres something I know nothing about....bird photography!!! But it does fortify one thing.....
Taken with the 70-200 after going through the micro-adjust per this thread. ![]() That shot was taken at 200mm with the 70-200....F2.8....ISO400....1/250th. After I finished my tests, I went out back to get the camera and tripod picked up and there were several of these guys eating in the bird feeder. Anyway, it is a 100% crop taken from the image below..... Now theres some practical useage.....of course one shot proves little....but still....
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Lovin' It
Join Date: Feb 2006
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Scott My Photos, Check out my blog, Operation: Love Reunited Thoughts on photographing a wedding, How to post a picture, AF Microadjustments? Light Scoop Equipment List - Check my profile Last edited by Scott_Quier; Jan-06-2009 at 02:16 AM. |
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Grinning...and bearing it
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana
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Well I have a few more shots....the last I intend to post here...I promise....but bare with me.
I admittedly also know zero about floral photography, and am not really trying to learn, but I shot these thinking it might be a good practical test. Each of these was taken at very near the close focus distance of each lens and at its widest aperture. My thinking was that this would represent the thinnest DOF I might encounter and that if I were having front...or back focus issues that might be related to my tinkering it would be apparent at these settings. It was quite windy, so I kept ISO high enough to freeze things....but this of course varied from glass to glass. These have had some pp done on them that included some sharpening. Nothing crazy, but just a bit of what I normally do with images anyway. These are not cropped however, but rather websized copies of the original frames. 1- Canon 85mm F1.8- I have never been treated to the sharpness I have seen this lens produce for other folks. This looks promising though. ![]() 2-The 17-55 F2.8IS. This was previously my sharpest lens and looks to be sharp on the 50D as well. ![]() 3-Lastly the 70-200 F2.8L IS Nice!
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Thanks, Jeff -Need help with Dgrin?; Wedding Photography Resources -My Website - Blog - Tips for Senior Portraiture Last edited by jeffreaux2; Jan-06-2009 at 12:17 PM. |
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Lovin' It
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Newport News, VA
Posts: 6,409
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Yes! That 85mm f/1.8 is looking very promising!
It will be interesting to see what you get when you shoot "real" photos.
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Scott My Photos, Check out my blog, Operation: Love Reunited Thoughts on photographing a wedding, How to post a picture, AF Microadjustments? Light Scoop Equipment List - Check my profile |
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tickled
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Colorado
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Wow. This has been eye-opening. I just returned a rental zoom lens yesterday that I was very disappointed with because I couldn't get the sharpness out of it on autofocus that I can get from my fixed telephoto lens. I wound up manually focussing it most of the final week of the rental. I thought the quality of a zoom lens vs. a fixed lens was the problem. Maybe I needed to go through this process?
I'm using a Nikon D300. After 10 months, I'm still learning how to use it. Are the steps going to be similar to what you've explained for a Canon? |
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Grinning...and bearing it
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana
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While I am not familiar with the Nikon system at all, I would imagine the method would work. Why don't you give it a shot, and post up your results......just in case...you know....another Nikonian needs the inspiration? Worse case, you arent satisfied with the results.....just set exerything back to factory specs.
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