And.... another mini-review http://www.pdnonline.com/gear/Hands-...of--6595.shtml

Thats good to hear a positive response on the focus I hope it is not a downside.

Originally Posted by divamum And.... another mini-review http://www.pdnonline.com/gear/Hands-...of--6595.shtml

good writeup but I'll wait for more hands on reviews

Originally Posted by Brett1000 good writeup but I'll wait for more hands on reviews

Oh, of course! I don't do the "pre-order" thing - in fact, I usually wait until any model is established and gone through its first round of "beta testing on the street". I had a first-year-model car once and vowed NEVER AGAIN

I just keep seeing stories/reviews linked from various FB friends or newsfeeds, so throw 'em up here when I do for the interested to read and enjoy

I will say that from these early previews and comments, it seems that the AF really will be the dealbreaker as to whether this camera truly has a place in the Canon lineup. If it is decent, then this may well be a way to FF for those of us who just can't afford the 5d3 and are a bit iffy about the 5d2's AF.... and longevity. Given that my 24-70 is now a "retired" lens, my 580ex is "no longer supported" and I'm sure my xsi (backup camera) will be relegated to the Canon sump hold fairly soon, there is an attraction in getting a piece of gear which is likely to be supported throughout the time I own it and use it....

Thought came to my head today when shooting while tethered is the possibility of tethering wirelessly, not only for checking focus and composition but backing up photos in multiple locations.
Also it was a big pain moving the laptop and camera every time I wanted to recopose for another shot. Now don't think I expect to go full auto but when on location I shoot a frame every 5-10 seconds at max. Heck even when shooting a sporting event I do not spray and pray I feel it ruins the whole "making the right shot" part of it.

Originally Posted by RevLinePhoto Thought came to my head today when shooting while tethered is the possibility of tethering wirelessly, not only for checking focus and composition but backing up photos in multiple locations. Also it was a big pain moving the laptop and camera every time I wanted to recopose for another shot. Now don't think I expect to go full auto but when on location I shoot a frame every 5-10 seconds at max. ...

You almost just have to try Wi-Fi to see if it works for your situation. It's not necessarily a "must have" for most people. Tethered is generally much more reliable and even that delay can throw off your timing if you have to chimp the shot.

Originally Posted by RevLinePhoto ... Heck even when shooting a sporting event I do not spray and pray I feel it ruins the whole "making the right shot" part of it.

The only time a professional will use a "spray-and-pray" approach is remote wireless, like for an Olympic event when there is no opportunity for shooters on the field, but they can set unattended cameras, remotely fired. (Generally, they will use anticipation and short bursts instead, but a very responsive professional camera body helps tremendously. A skilled professional sports shooter can anticipate to the point of making the second shot in a sequence the "money" shot.)


Image attribution: Reuters/Pawel Kopczynski/Secondphotofabrizio

In that situation professionals will use simple Pocketwizard units to remote trigger the camera body. I cannot imagine an iOS or Android application being fast enough communication for sports (or any action) photography.

Originally Posted by ziggy53 The only time a professional will use a "spray-and-pray" approach is remote wireless, like for an Olympic event when there is no opportunity for shooters on the field, but they can set unattended cameras, remotely fired. (Generally, they will use anticipation and short bursts instead, but a very responsive professional camera body helps tremendously. A skilled professional sports shooter can anticipate to the point of making the second shot in a sequence the "money" shot.) Image attribution: Reuters/Pawel Kopczynski/Secondphotofabrizio In that situation professionals will use simple Pocketwizard units to remote trigger the camera body. I cannot imagine an iOS or Android application being fast enough communication for sports (or any action) photography.

Almost can't miss with a set up like that ^^ !!

Originally Posted by Brett1000 Almost can't miss with a set up like that ^^ !!

You'd be surprised how much care and prep it takes to get the shot. I spent two days with a Sports Illustrated photographer learning the ins and outs of remote camera work back in April. There's a LOT to it, and a lot that can go wrong. Someone can jump onto your frequency without you knowing. You can get cell phone interference. You could have wire failure, you could have transient signal issue like from the security radios in a venue.

And until the Nikon D4, you had to worry about overrunning the buffer. Something Dave Black spoke at length about in his discussions of shooting the Kentucky Derby.

I can bring up to 6 remotes to an event, but the first lesson with them is: "Never trust that you will get the shot with a remote camera. Period.

What DPreview said comparing the Nikon D600 to the Canon 6D mirrors my thoughts exactly:

That said, the Nikon D600 is not a camera to be underestimated. Although it doesn't offer a lot in the way of new novel technologies, it has a spec sheet crammed with familiar, high-end features. It's essentially a full-frame D7000, but that means it doesn't give up much in terms of specification to the much more expensive D800. And, by comparison, Canon's EOS 6D seems a little slight. The list prices of the two cameras are similar in most territories (with the Nikon being a shade pricier in some), but the D600 offers more focus points, a viewfinder with 100% coverage, slightly faster continuous shooting, twin card slots and a built-in flash capable of controlling groups of remote flashguns. The Canon, by contrast has an AF system rated to -3EV (one quarter of the light needed by the Nikon), and built-in GPS and Wi-Fi, which the Nikon gains only via a little plug-in accessory.

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The 6D missing the focus pts of even the 7D, and missing the flash for triggering off camera flash has me completely flabbergasted. When I heard about the camera, I thought it the prefect upgrade from the 40D. But now, not so much. If anything, this has me waiting until they either get it right, or the 5DMkIII goes way down in price. Maybe I should just switch to Nikon.

The focus points may be a issue but only tests can tell on that. As for the not using the on camera flash to trigger others that is perfectly fine with me that uses line of sight and if you dont know what you are doing makes the image look like crap because most of the time on camera flash does not work well. I shoot with off camera flash quite a bit using old cheap trigers and now run the Pocketwizzard plus III as long as I have a hot shoe I am happy. Wi-Fi and gps seams more of gimics but will see the functionality of it latter.

Originally Posted by RevLinePhoto The focus points may be a issue but only tests can tell on that. As for the not using the on camera flash to trigger others that is perfectly fine with me that uses line of sight and if you dont know what you are doing makes the image look like crap because most of the time on camera flash does not work well. I shoot with off camera flash quite a bit using old cheap trigers and now run the Pocketwizzard plus III as long as I have a hot shoe I am happy. Wi-Fi and gps seams more of gimics but will see the functionality of it latter.

Well, I don't want the on-board flash for actually lighting a scene, I want it to trigger my 430EX, and 580EX flashes.

Originally Posted by cmason Well, I don't want the on-board flash for actually lighting a scene, I want it to trigger my 430EX, and 580EX flashes.

The 7D can do this. Or you can get an ST-E2 transmitter, or just a cable. The AF spec is a bit bewildering, but -3EV is less than candle light. So it stands to reason the center AF will be very very good in normal light. Focus-recompose works well enough, right? And hey, maybe those outer line-types have been improved too. But I agree the D600 looks better on paper. Maybe when the 6D hits stores here it will be discounted to make up for the glaring differences in spec. I've read it is already discounted in Japan. I think a fair price would be $1899.

cmason, while the 7d's onboard is useful - and I"m glad to have it as a backup - it does "lock up" if you use it for an entire shoot. Never have figured out what that is about, but it did it consistently enough (and I read enough reports of it doing it to others) that typically I continue to use my STE2 (and, now, the Pixel King radio triggers). Also, the settings on the STE2 are easier to get at since they're not in a menu.

Don't get me wrong, I DO wish they had included a popup commander in both the 5d3 and 6d - ideally an improved version - but it's not quite the dealbreaker it might seem.

Originally Posted by divamum cmason, while the 7d's onboard is useful - and I"m glad to have it as a backup - it does "lock up" if you use it for an entire shoot. Never have figured out what that is about, but it did it consistently enough (and I read enough reports of it doing it to others) that typically I continue to use my STE2 (and, now, the Pixel King radio triggers). Also, the settings on the STE2 are easier to get at since they're not in a menu. Don't get me wrong, I DO wish they had included a popup commander in both the 5d3 and 6d - ideally an improved version - but it's not quite the dealbreaker it might seem.

Fudge...was really hoping to eliminate my STE2. Its works well, but it should be built-in, not bolted on. The fact that the 7D does this is just adding fuel to the fire...the 6D (and frankly every model Canon ships forward), should have this.

Anyone know if the 6D supports the new (outrageously expensive) wireless Canon Speedlights?

Originally Posted by cmason Fudge...was really hoping to eliminate my STE2. Its works well, but it should be built-in, not bolted on. The fact that the 7D does this is just adding fuel to the fire...the 6D (and frankly every model Canon ships forward), should have this. Anyone know if the 6D supports the new (outrageously expensive) wireless Canon Speedlights?

I think they should have RF wireless technology in the camera to trigger external flashes, not using the pop up flash

Another review:

http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/25/han...wi-fi-on-board

An interesting quote from the above review:

"... my only qualms about putting down a pre-order were around the AF system. Now, based on my experience, those qualms are gone. The 6D may only have one center cross-type AF point, compared to the 41 cross-type points on the 5D3′s AF system, but Westfall actually said that AF speed on the 6D could potentially outperform the 5D3 in low-light situations using that single cross-type. With image quality, too, Westfall said that the 6D should be on par with the 5D3 at lower ISOs, but should outperform at higher ISOs, thanks to larger pixels on the full-frame sensor."