SmugMungous! Bulk watermarking bug?

BeachBill · November 6, 2007

I just went into one of my old passworded galleries and selected SmugMungous! Bulk to create the new larger images for my family to view. I've never had watermarking on in this gallery. When it was done creating the new XL images, I discovered all of the new images have the SmugMug "Proof" watermark plastered across them. I double checked the gallery settings and it still says Watermarking: No.

I'm guessing the SmugMungous! Bulk is forgetting to check the Watermarking option and is just watermarking all images.

Allen · November 6, 2007

BeachBill wrote:

I just went into one of my old passworded galleries and selected SmugMungous! Bulk to create the new larger images for my family to view. I've never had watermarking on in this gallery. When it was done creating the new XL images, I discovered all of the new images have the SmugMug "Proof" watermark plastered across them. I double checked the gallery settings and it still says Watermarking: No.

I'm guessing the SmugMungous! Bulk is forgetting to check the Watermarking option and is just watermarking all images.

Before using it check to make sure the correct watermark in set under
customize gallery, that's the one that will be applied.

Andy · November 6, 2007

Bill, I can't replicate - if it was this way, we'd probably have a riot on our hands!

Try it again, triple checking the gallery customizing settings for watermarking, and let me know.

BeachBill · November 6, 2007

Allen wrote:

Before using it check to make sure the correct watermark in set under
customize gallery, that's the one that will be applied.

I just tested on another gallery. I have confirmed watermarking is turned off under customize gallery. Next I use the SmugMungous! Bulk tool, select all images and select Go. It tells me my Xlarges are being created. A few minutes later and I check my previously unwatermarked images are now watermarked. Going back into customize gallery and watermarking is still turned off.

Oh, I think I understand now. The SmugMungous! Bulk tool is just the Watermarking tool rebranded. If I want the "SmugMungous" sizes without watermarking I should just use the standard watermarking tool, select all images in the gallery, select remove watermark and submit. This will create the SmugMungous but without the watermark.

I would suggest a huge disclaimer on the SmugMungous! Bulk tool page to say the tool will watermark the images, even when watermarking is turned off.

BeachBill · November 6, 2007

Andy wrote:

Bill, I can't replicate - if it was this way, we'd probably have a riot on our hands!

Try it again, triple checking the gallery customizing settings for watermarking, and let me know.

Just saw your reply Andy. Go ahead and use this gallery.

1) Confirm Watermarking is set to No in customize gallery
2) Confirm images are not currently watermarked
3) Use the SmugMungous! Bulk tool and select all images
4) Wait a minute or so (not many images there), look at the new images
5) Check customize gallery to make sure watermarking is still off.
6) Go into Watermarking off the photo tools menu and remove watermarks from all images.

Andy · November 6, 2007

BeachBill wrote:

Oh, I think I understand now. The SmugMungous! Bulk tool is just the Watermarking tool rebranded.

This isn't true

Bill, please standby, we will again try and replicate.

Andy · November 6, 2007

BeachBill wrote:

Just saw your reply Andy. Go ahead and use this gallery.

1) Confirm Watermarking is set to No in customize gallery
2) Confirm images are not currently watermarked
3) Use the SmugMungous! Bulk tool and select all images
4) Wait a minute or so (not many images there), look at the new images
5) Check customize gallery to make sure watermarking is still off.
6) Go into Watermarking off the photo tools menu and remove watermarks from all images.

Very strange, I can replicate it in your gallery but not mine, not in any way at all.

I'll ask Ivar to further investigate, he'll be back within 24 hours, Bill.

ivar · November 6, 2007

Hey Bill,

I too can not replicate this. I've tried an account with custom watermarks, and one without, both did not give me a watermark on the SmugMungous (bulk) tool use.

Can you give me a link to a specific photo that showed the watermark after using the bulk tool? You can PM me if it is a private/passworded photo.

Sorry for the hassle.

BeachBill · November 6, 2007

ivar wrote:

I too can not replicate this. I've tried an account with custom watermarks, and one without, both did not give me a watermark on the SmugMungous (bulk) tool use.

You can try any of the galleries in http://gallery.primarycolors.com/Family/266781

I purposely have not updated those images with the new sizes so you can use them for testing. None should have watermarks and all are password protected galleries.

cjyphoto · November 7, 2007

Does the same thing to my galleries. Big old PROOF across the image. It also messed up one of my custom watermarks. It sometimes adds it vertically down the center of the image. I've had to redo all watermarks after using Smugmungous.

Andy · November 7, 2007

cjyphoto wrote:

Does the same thing to my galleries. Big old PROOF across the image. It also messed up one of my custom watermarks. It sometimes adds it vertically down the center of the image. I've had to redo all watermarks after using Smugmungous.

ALL galleries? Some? Which ones? We need to see the settings in a gallery where this happens, because we can't yet replicate this behavior.

Thanks!

cjyphoto · November 7, 2007

Andy wrote:

ALL galleries? Some? Which ones? We need to see the settings in a gallery where this happens, because we can't yet replicate this behavior.

Thanks!

Sorry Andy, I just attribute to Smugs sometime quirky behavior and have not really paid attention to what my settings are when it happens. I'll try another gallery and see what happens.

cjyphoto · November 7, 2007

Watermarked using watermarking tool in photo tools.

Customization Page: Watermarking = no

Ran Smugmungous and here is the result :

http://cjyphoto.smugmug.com/gallery/2467734#86595272

I can't tell you what is going on but that IS what is happening.

BeachBill · November 30, 2007

BeachBill wrote:

You can try any of the galleries in http://gallery.primarycolors.com/Family/266781

I purposely have not updated those images with the new sizes so you can use them for testing. None should have watermarks and all are password protected galleries.

Any update on this? I haven't tried since and I've left those galleries alone for your testing...

rainforest1155 · December 1, 2007

Bill,

I had a look into it and noticed that it's not related to the SmugMungous tool. In fact, the photos have a watermark, but you can't see it. The watermarking parameter on the photos is set. If you rotate any photo, it'll get a watermark as well.
Furthermore, you can choose any other watermark from the customize gallery settings and it'll use this one. It works as intended.

The question is how did you get an invisible watermark on these galleries. Did you recently create or delete any watermarks?

Have a great weekend,
Sebastian

scottkwest · December 3, 2007

I can no longer add watermarks to my galleries. The option doesn't show up in the photo tools.
And while the customized gallery setting have watermarking on for a custom watermark, nothing shows up.
I can't seem to watermark my latest proof galleries, such as http://scottkwest.smugmug.com/gallery/3929769

scottkwest · December 3, 2007

OK, this is causing problems now, I'm not comfortable distributing proofs without the watermark, so I'm later than promised with these. The watermark worked recently in this gallery:
http://www.scottwestphotography.com/gallery/3864986

but it did not work loading photos here, and the watermark option is not available in the photo tools menu:
http://scottkwest.smugmug.com/gallery/3929769

The broken one was private, but I still have no watermarking option even if I temporarily make it public.

What makes the watermarking option disappear from the photo tools menu? Any advice?

Thanks,
Scott
scottkwest.smugmug.com

Andy · December 3, 2007

scottkwest wrote:

I can no longer add watermarks to my galleries. The option doesn't show up in the photo tools.
And while the customized gallery setting have watermarking on for a custom watermark, nothing shows up.
I can't seem to watermark my latest proof galleries, such as http://scottkwest.smugmug.com/gallery/3929769

Hi, you cannot watermark them because you have uploaded 800px originals. We do not watermark anything that isn't 801 or larger in the original file: http://www.smugmug.com/help/custom-watermark-protection

scottkwest · December 4, 2007

Andy wrote:

Hi, you cannot watermark them because you have uploaded 800px originals. We do not watermark anything that isn't 801 or larger in the original file: http://www.smugmug.com/help/custom-watermark-protection

Who reads the last line of instructions anyway. So now I need to know how to add 1 pixel to the width of each image... (just kidding, of course!)

Thanks for the clarification, Andy.

Scott

cjyphoto · December 5, 2007

I just tried another gallery that had a watermark already. After running smugmungous the watermark that did run horizontal across the bottom was moved to the center and vertical to boot. I guess I'm just one of the lucky few.

BeachBill · December 5, 2007

rainforest1155 wrote:

I had a look into it and noticed that it's not related to the SmugMungous tool. In fact, the photos have a watermark, but you can't see it. The watermarking parameter on the photos is set. If you rotate any photo, it'll get a watermark as well.
Furthermore, you can choose any other watermark from the customize gallery settings and it'll use this one. It works as intended.

The question is how did you get an invisible watermark on these galleries. Did you recently create or delete any watermarks?

Hey Sebastian,

I haven't uploaded any invisible watermarks.

Trying to comprehend what you are saying here. Basically I think you are saying there is a watermarking parameter on each individual photo and SmugMungous/rotate/etc use this parameter instead of the gallery watermarking setting to decide if a photo should be watermarked.

I guess my question now is, how do I as a customer change the individual photo watermarking parameter so that it is not set, and how do I confirm if it is set or not?

Thanks!

Allen · December 5, 2007

cjyphoto wrote:

I just tried another gallery that had a watermark already. After running smugmungous the watermark that did run horizontal across the bottom was moved to the center and vertical to boot. I guess I'm just one of the lucky few.

Anytime you regenerate the display photos like running smugmungous, first
make sure the correct watermark is selected under customize gallery. The one
listed there will be applied.

rainforest1155 · December 5, 2007

BeachBill wrote:

Hey Sebastian,

I haven't uploaded any invisible watermarks.

Trying to comprehend what you are saying here. Basically I think you are saying there is a watermarking parameter on each individual photo and SmugMungous/rotate/etc use this parameter instead of the gallery watermarking setting to decide if a photo should be watermarked.

Yes, this has to be in place as the gallery setting actually is only used for all images that are newly uploaded. Additionally, you could assign a different watermark to any of your photos.
I'm not sure on how the watermark parameter got flagged on your galleries and I couldn't reproduce it on any of my galleries. Seems like you have run into a very rare bug and I apologize for the inconvenience.

The only way you can determine if watermark is flagged for an image is to perform some kind of action that makes us reprocess the image, like rotating or performing SmugMungous! on it. I see that there's no use in that.
The best way to deal with that is like you have all ready figured out to use the watermarking to on all images in a gallery and choose to remove the watermark. This will reprocess them all, remove the invisible watermark and update them for SmugMungous sizes.

I hope this works out for you. I wish I had some more insight on what's the problem here.

Sebastian

cjyphoto · December 5, 2007

Allen wrote:

Anytime you regenerate the display photos like running smugmungous, first
make sure the correct watermark is selected under customize gallery. The one
listed there will be applied.

Yes, I do that. I even make sure create watermark is set to OFF yet I still get either get PROOF across my images or my custom watermark vertically in the center. BTW I have not set up any watermarks that should run vertically in the center. Do not know where in the hell that came from.

Also just noticed Smugwide seems to messed up now!

rainforest1155 · December 6, 2007

cjyphoto wrote:

Yes, I do that. I even make sure create watermark is set to OFF yet I still get either get PROOF across my images or my custom watermark vertically in the center. BTW I have not set up any watermarks that should run vertically in the center. Do not know where in the hell that came from.

Try using the Watermarking tool and set it to remove instead of using the SmugMungous tool. This will generate the new sizes while making sure that you don't get the proof watermark on your photos.

Hope this works for you.

Sebastian

cjyphoto · December 6, 2007

rainforest1155 wrote:

Try using the Watermarking tool and set it to remove instead of using the SmugMungous tool. This will generate the new sizes while making sure that you don't get the proof watermark on your photos.

Hope this works for you.

Sebastian

Sounds like a great workaround. Since you have to wind up redoing the watermarks anyway.

SmugMungous! Bulk watermarking bug?

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