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How much shadow at nose is acceptable?
Hi all,
I was looking the other days the workshop of zack arias, a photographer that I like.. His approach and how he decides to start with less tool.
Below I am sharing some screenshots I took from his workshop
http://alexpal.smugmug.com/ToShare/ShadowsDiscussion/n-PxsB7/i-q6379qP
as I found my time spending time thinking on how much I like the results.
This post is not about criticizing Zacks work (that I like a lot) but how I judge my self when I see results on the back side of my camera.
The point where I wanted to focus today was about the nose' shadow.. and how much can you tolerate.
If I put myself in the imaginery position that I shot the shots I shared above, I would only accept the first two and then discard all the rest. Reason is that I find the shadow coming from the nose very distracting...
When do you think that the nose shadow works and when is possible to keep it as artistic choice?
I would like to thank you in advance for your help
Regards
Alex
P.S Here I have to be fair and write that the shots shared above are not necessarily what Zack would deliver to the customer but he is sharing the whole process on how he works with the light (and thus shares each single shot)
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“The fact is that relatively few photographers ever master their medium. Instead they allow the medium to master them and go on an endless squirrel cage chase from new lens to new paper to new developer to new gadget, never staying with one piece of equipment long enough to learn its full capacities, becoming lost in a maze of technical information that is of little or no use since they don’t know what to do with it”
(written at 1927 by Edward Weston)
I was looking the other days the workshop of zack arias, a photographer that I like.. His approach and how he decides to start with less tool.
Below I am sharing some screenshots I took from his workshop
http://alexpal.smugmug.com/ToShare/ShadowsDiscussion/n-PxsB7/i-q6379qP
as I found my time spending time thinking on how much I like the results.
This post is not about criticizing Zacks work (that I like a lot) but how I judge my self when I see results on the back side of my camera.
The point where I wanted to focus today was about the nose' shadow.. and how much can you tolerate.
If I put myself in the imaginery position that I shot the shots I shared above, I would only accept the first two and then discard all the rest. Reason is that I find the shadow coming from the nose very distracting...
When do you think that the nose shadow works and when is possible to keep it as artistic choice?
I would like to thank you in advance for your help
Regards
Alex
P.S Here I have to be fair and write that the shots shared above are not necessarily what Zack would deliver to the customer but he is sharing the whole process on how he works with the light (and thus shares each single shot)
--
“The fact is that relatively few photographers ever master their medium. Instead they allow the medium to master them and go on an endless squirrel cage chase from new lens to new paper to new developer to new gadget, never staying with one piece of equipment long enough to learn its full capacities, becoming lost in a maze of technical information that is of little or no use since they don’t know what to do with it”
(written at 1927 by Edward Weston)
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If your a studio / set up / landscape / tripod photog you should not have much noise at all, unless your looking to get a phony doc photog look. There is NO excuse for submitting crap if your a studio / set up photog. It smacks of poor skills.
Now, as a doc photog I get lots of noise. But I don't do set up / studio / tripod work.
Check these out
nsfw
This is the most noise I'd prefer to get.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Bikers%27_Mardi_Gras_no._6_Copyright_2012_Daniel_D._Teoli_Jr...jpg/735px-Bikers%27_Mardi_Gras_no._6_Copyright_2012_Daniel_D._Teoli_Jr...jpg
This is what the max level of noise I will take.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Bikers%27_Mardi_Gras_no._36_Copyright_2014_Daniel_D._Teoli_Jr..jpg/1024px-Bikers%27_Mardi_Gras_no._36_Copyright_2014_Daniel_D._Teoli_Jr..jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Pole_Dance_Selfie_%40_Bikers%27_Mardi_Gras_Copyright_2014_Daniel_D._Teoli_Jr..jpg/612px-Pole_Dance_Selfie_%40_Bikers%27_Mardi_Gras_Copyright_2014_Daniel_D._Teoli_Jr..jpg
But if something is of historical import then there is no limit if subject is identifiable and useable.
acceptable. A portrait either captures the subject with no face
shadows, or shadows some to most of the face for effect.
Yousef Karsh does both in his portraits, and he seems to have
done rather well in the portrait field. His own image on this
site has quite a bit of shadow from the nose:
http://www.karsh.org/
Run through the portraits he's taken at http://www.karsh.org/#/the_work/portraits
and you'll see it done both ways.
Most failures involving face shadows are from some shadows but not enough shadows to
achieve an effect.
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/
Alex