The SmugVault Discussion Thread

***Andy*** · Jun-23-2008, 11:48 AM

Announcing SmugVault: Store Everything for Next to Nothing

SmugVault is a new SmugMug product that lets you upload all the RAW, PSD, BMP, and TIFF files you’d like. And not just those - we’ll accept XMP sidecars, PDF files, Word documents, Excel spreadsheets, video archives, and anything else you might want to store with your photos. What’s more, we’ll bundle your files together for easy, intuitive browsing and safe retrieval.

Read about it on Don's Blog. Pricing & Info. Help. Release Notes. Wiki.

Got Questions? Ask 'em here

anderiv · Jun-23-2008, 12:01 PM

Interesting. From what I can tell, there wouldn't be a whole lot to gain from moving to this from something like Jungle Disk except for the nice GUI, correct?

Is this something your customers have been asking for? I'm just trying to imagine a use case for this. For backup purposes, it just seems like there are so many other great options out there...

***Andy*** · Jun-23-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by anderiv

Interesting. From what I can tell, there wouldn't be a whole lot to gain from moving to this from something like Jungle Disk except for the nice GUI, correct?

I have hundreds of gigs on Jungle Disk, I'm moving it all. I want this:

I want my RAWs and PSDs and other associated files visually on my JPGs in my gallery. Whenever, whereever, I can get what I need. Jungle Disk, is a bit um, harder to work with :)

Also all future stuff I upload, I'll be bundling my JPGs and RAWs at upload, mmm tasty.

anderiv · Jun-23-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy

I want my RAWs and PSDs and other associated files visually on my JPGs in my gallery. Whenever, whereever, I can get what I need. Jungle Disk, is a bit um, harder to work with :)

Also all future stuff I upload, I'll be bundling my JPGs and RAWs at upload, mmm tasty.

Cool - I can see how that would be useful. So, to clarify, in one shot, you could upload a jpg and raw of one image. The jpg would be added to a smugmug gallery and the raw would be sent off to SmugVault?

***Andy*** · Jun-23-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by anderiv

Cool - I can see how that would be useful. So, to clarify, in one shot, you could upload a jpg and raw of one image. The jpg would be added to a smugmug gallery and the raw would be sent off to SmugVault?

gblotter · Jun-23-2008, 12:11 PM

Nice.

I can see some real benefits for archiving HD video in original size and format. With archived video, will SmugMug provide any viewing interface for the archived copy? Or is it only store/retrieve functionality?

anderiv · Jun-23-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy

Nice. For people that don't want/need to deal with more complicated backup situations, this is ideal. The tight integration with the Smugmug galleries will be quite nice.

Me, I'll need to stick with JungleDisk for other technical reasons, but I bet you'll have a lot of takers for the new service.

Congrats!

***Andy*** · Jun-23-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gblotter

Nice.

I can see some real benefits for archiving HD video in original size and format. With archived video, will SmugMug provide any viewing interface for the archived copy? Or is it only store/retrieve functionality?

Store / retrieve only right now, for those big giant long movies (longer than 2.5 mins (power) or 10mins (pro)

Sheaf · Jun-23-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gblotter

Nice.

I can see some real benefits for archiving HD video in original size and format. With archived video, will SmugMug provide any viewing interface for the archived copy? Or is it only store/retrieve functionality?

If it meets our length limits and format restrictions, we can indeed make our usual display videos. You can also upload a JPEG or a another video and bundle them together.

Nikolai · Jun-23-2008, 02:17 PM

Since this is an official place I think I'll mention it once again:
All Star*Explorer users are already covered.

Simply add proper file extensions to your "video" list (I know, it became a misnomer, I'll change the name when I have a next release), set the limit to 512Mb - and you're ready.
I already tested it the night SmugVault was deployed, and it works.

georges · Jun-23-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy

I have hundreds of gigs on Jungle Disk, I'm moving it all. I want this...

Just curious Andy, why so many CR2s? Do you have several RAW files with the same name? If so, how dow you tell them apart?

edit: OK, nevermind - it's a pano. Just saw the other thread. thanks, gs

georges · Jun-23-2008, 04:06 PM

Some operations with Adobe Camera Raw or Bridge will generate a sidecar file. If I upload the sidecar files will the xmp show up on the flyover list?

(either way, it sounds like a good reason to switch to dng.)

Having said that, will I be able to view my Pentax PEF and DNG files?

Thanks, gs

Sheaf · Jun-23-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by georges

Some operations with Adobe Camera Raw or Bridge will generate a sidecar file. If I upload the sidecar files will the xmp show up on the flyover list?

(either way, it sounds like a good reason to switch to dng.)

Having said that, will I be able to view my Pentax PEF and DNG files?

Thanks, gs

It's pretty much any file type, not limited to photography or video. You can add text files, PDFs, Word documents, and pretty much anything else you can think of. JPEGs, PNGs, GIFs, etc. within our generous limits are still stored for free though.

***Andy*** · Jun-23-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by georges

Just curious Andy, why so many CR2s? Do you have several RAW files with the same name? If so, how dow you tell them apart?

edit: OK, nevermind - it's a pano. Just saw the other thread. thanks, gs

yeah that's got 6raws and a psd with it.

***Andy*** · Jun-23-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheaf

It's pretty much any file type, not limited to photography or video. You can add text files, PDFs, Word documents, and pretty much anything else you can think of. JPEGs, PNGs, GIFs, etc. within our generous limits are still stored for free though.

Yeah I spoke with a couple pros today, that will be uploading PDF contracts to into their client galleries. Perma storage, never a worry and it's always going to be there with the client's photos.

cwoodard · Jun-23-2008, 05:03 PM

I signed up for SmugVault right away. Fabulous idea as I've been wanting some kind of online/offsite backup for my photos. According to the help and wiki I think you should be able to upload two files - the raw file and the jpg and they should be automatically associated if their base filename is the same? This isn't happening for me. Both files are disappearing into lala land when I try Simple. When I try Drag & Drop only the jpg gets added to the album. The only way I've been able to add a raw file is by using the Add Archive photo tool. Which is a little tedious when you want to add a ton of raw files!

Thanks for any help. And thanks for implementing this!

***Andy*** · Jun-23-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cwoodard

I signed up for SmugVault right away. Fabulous idea as I've been wanting some kind of online/offsite backup for my photos. According to the help and wiki I think you should be able to upload two files - the raw file and the jpg and they should be automatically associated if their base filename is the same? This isn't happening for me. Both files are disappearing into lala land when I try Simple. When I try Drag & Drop only the jpg gets added to the album. The only way I've been able to add a raw file is by using the Add Archive photo tool. Which is a little tedious when you want to add a ton of raw files!

Thanks for any help. And thanks for implementing this!

What's your Smug site? http://cwoodard.smugmug.com isn't working for me

cwoodard · Jun-23-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy

What's your Smug site? http://cwoodard.smugmug.com isn't working for me

oops, forgot to update the sig! It's woodard.smugmug.com

***Andy*** · Jun-23-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cwoodard

oops, forgot to update the sig! It's woodard.smugmug.com

Looking, but first, you look here

http://nancyrose.smugmug.com/photos/...59_ArAZw-L.jpg

http://nancyrose.smugmug.com/gallery...57858359_ArAZw

***Andy*** · Jun-23-2008, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwoodard

I signed up for SmugVault right away. Fabulous idea as I've been wanting some kind of online/offsite backup for my photos. According to the help and wiki I think you should be able to upload two files - the raw file and the jpg and they should be automatically associated if their base filename is the same? This isn't happening for me. Both files are disappearing into lala land when I try Simple. When I try Drag & Drop only the jpg gets added to the album. The only way I've been able to add a raw file is by using the Add Archive photo tool. Which is a little tedious when you want to add a ton of raw files!

Thanks for any help. And thanks for implementing this!

Use the Simple Uploader, and, the files must be EXACTLY the same name:

12345.jpg
12345.ORF

like that.

Like this one, which bundled fine

Jun-23-2008, 11:48 AM	#1
*Andy* SmugMug COO & House Pro Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New York City Posts: 52,623	The SmugVault Discussion Thread Announcing SmugVault: Store Everything for Next to Nothing SmugVault is a new SmugMug product that lets you upload all the RAW, PSD, BMP, and TIFF files you’d like. And not just those - we’ll accept XMP sidecars, PDF files, Word documents, Excel spreadsheets, video archives, and anything else you might want to store with your photos. What’s more, we’ll bundle your files together for easy, intuitive browsing and safe retrieval. Read about it on Don's Blog. Pricing & Info. Help. Release Notes. Wiki. Got Questions? Ask 'em here __________________ Andy Moon River Photography • Twitter • Facebook

Jun-23-2008, 12:01 PM	#2
anderiv Big grins Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 80	Interesting. From what I can tell, there wouldn't be a whole lot to gain from moving to this from something like Jungle Disk except for the nice GUI, correct? Is this something your customers have been asking for? I'm just trying to imagine a use case for this. For backup purposes, it just seems like there are so many other great options out there... __________________ Erik Anderson http://andersonfam.org http://andersonfam.smugmug.com D70 \| SB-600 \| Nifty Fifty \| Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 \| Nikon 70-300 f/4-5.6G

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Nikolai Darth SLR Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: La LA land Posts: 17,454	Since this is an official place I think I'll mention it once again: All StarExplorer users are already covered. Simply add proper file extensions to your "video" list (I know, it became a misnomer, I'll change the name when I have a next release), set the limit to 512Mb - and you're ready. I already tested it the night SmugVault was deployed, and it works. __________________ "May the f/stop be with you!" StarExplorer: on Dgrin, home Dgrin Assignments, Dgrin Shootouts, My Facebook, @DarthSLR, #NiksTips member: NAPP, PPA, partner: Adobe Comprehending life, universe and everything - one pixel at a time

Jun-23-2008, 04:06 PM	#12
georges Major grins Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 136	Sidecar files Some operations with Adobe Camera Raw or Bridge will generate a sidecar file. If I upload the sidecar files will the xmp show up on the flyover list? (either way, it sounds like a good reason to switch to dng.) Having said that, will I be able to view my Pentax PEF and DNG files? Thanks, gs __________________ See you later, gs http://georgesphotos.net

Jun-23-2008, 05:03 PM	#16
cwoodard Big grins Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 91	I signed up for SmugVault right away. Fabulous idea as I've been wanting some kind of online/offsite backup for my photos. According to the help and wiki I think you should be able to upload two files - the raw file and the jpg and they should be automatically associated if their base filename is the same? This isn't happening for me. Both files are disappearing into lala land when I try Simple. When I try Drag & Drop only the jpg gets added to the album. The only way I've been able to add a raw file is by using the Add Archive photo tool. Which is a little tedious when you want to add a ton of raw files! Thanks for any help. And thanks for implementing this! __________________ http://www.photosbycynthia.com/ http://www.woodardblog.com/

Jun-23-2008, 12:11 PM	#6
gblotter Grin Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 155	Nice. I can see some real benefits for archiving HD video in original size and format. With archived video, will SmugMug provide any viewing interface for the archived copy? Or is it only store/retrieve functionality?

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