Redrock in the Clouds

digidrone · Oct-27-2009, 04:52 AM

Please have your way with this capture

original

my adjustments

I think this is my finale adjustment...

Thanks for looking and help.

adbsgicom · Oct-27-2009, 06:59 AM

Very nice image. I think it lacks a bit of pop. A quick play in CS4 shows that your green and red are very dim, but the blue sky is dominating the levels. By masking the sky and pushing the levels and a hint of contrast, you can pull the red of those gorgeous mountains out a bit more. This was just a couple of minutes in CS4, and there are others here more skilled in the art of CS that can likely add to this.... I adjusted red/green/blue independently....

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craig_d · Oct-27-2009, 08:10 AM

The original doesn't quite jump out enough, but Andrew's color-adjusted version looks overdone to me. A bit more pop might be nice, but I think it has to be done with a bit more subtlety, and only to the rocks, not the tree or the grass. Conditions were obviously overcast, and that quality needs to be retained.

adbsgicom · Oct-27-2009, 08:14 AM

You are right (as usual). I looked at the grass in my edit, though it felt too yellow, but just posted it anyway figuring it wasn't final state. I personally like the tree a bunch brighter so I left that in this edit.

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craig_d · Oct-27-2009, 08:34 AM

I like this new version better (the red rocks look just about perfect, and the overall color tone is very good), but I disagree about the tree. If the point of this picture is the majestic red-toned rocks, the tree shouldn't stand out so much. In the original picture, the tree and the grass are realistically dull (considering the overcast conditions), which I think is appropriate for this image.

As for me being "right (as usual)"... I'm sure you must be exaggerating. Can we call in B.D. for a second opinion? He and I tend to agree on principles, I think, but we very often disagree about actual pictures, and quite often, on further reflection, I end up agreeing with him.

adbsgicom · Oct-27-2009, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craig_d

As for me being "right (as usual)"... I'm sure you must be exaggerating. Can we call in B.D. for a second opinion? He and I tend to agree on principles, I think, but we very often disagree about actual pictures, and quite often, on further reflection, I end up agreeing with him.

Of course, usually I type (with hesitation) something like "Sorry, this one doesn't do anything for me..." then BD replies that it is the best of the whole set....

Carmelo75 · Oct-29-2009, 04:23 PM

Hi Royce, I really like the image as well, altough the second of Andrew's editings looks better than the original (honestly I would not know how to improve it further myself, except maybe for a slight blue cast on the mountains, that I would remove...). The original image looks too dull and flat for this kind of subject (and I bet that the yellow of the trees and the red of the mountains looked much brighter and evident to your eyes than it has been recorded by the camera!).

What I would change is the composition, as I find the yellow trees on the right very distracting, while they add nothing to the image. I would opt for a mostly square format, and crop away the right yellow trees, to get a cleaner and more essential composition.

By the way, I cannot see the original image anymore...

Carmelo.

timk519 · Nov-02-2009, 06:55 AM

where's the original image?

adbsgicom · Nov-02-2009, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by timk519

where's the original image?

It vaporized a little while ago. The OP never seemed to have come back, and it appears this was his last post anywhere.

timk519 · Nov-02-2009, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by adbsgicom

It vaporized a little while ago. The OP never seemed to have come back, and it appears this was his last post anywhere.

Got to love these low-post-count posters and their vanishing acts.

adbsgicom · Nov-02-2009, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by timk519

Got to love these low-post-count posters and their vanishing acts.

Well, he may have been offended by the editing (though "have at it" seemed pretty free license), or life may have intervened (hopefully not too drastically). Personally, I've found this one of the more friendly and helpful places for learning, but everyone needs to find their niche.

timk519 · Nov-02-2009, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adbsgicom

Well, he may have been offended by the editing (though "have at it" seemed pretty free license), or life may have intervened (hopefully not too drastically). Personally, I've found this one of the more friendly and helpful places for learning, but everyone needs to find their niche.

Agreed.

Carmelo75 · Nov-02-2009, 11:08 AM

Agreed as well

. I personally like much more suggestions and cryticism than a simple "nice shot!"...

As for this thread, I doubt that Royce got offended, as he was clearly asking for help on the editing, and often showing the result of an editing is much easier and direct than describing it...

I hope he will still close this thread, I'm quite curious to know if he liked the suggestions.

Carmelo.

adbsgicom · Nov-02-2009, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carmelo75

Agreed as well

. I personally like much more suggestions and cryticism than a simple "nice shot!"...

As for this thread, I doubt that Royce got offended, as he was clearly asking for help on the editing, and often showing the result of an editing is much easier and direct than describing it...

I hope he will still close this thread, I'm quite curious to know if he liked the suggestions.

Carmelo.

At least for me, my abstract PS skills are not such that I can look and say, "Bump the contrast about 5, slide the red levels down a tad, and apply a sharpen filter in the rocks" without seeing it for real. So, for me, creating a sample image is a precursor to having any potentially useful feedback.

digidrone · Nov-03-2009, 04:28 AM

I do thank you for your comments and your views of this capture.
I'm sorry I went missing on ya but not everyone lives or dies by the amount of posts they make per day

I have been in back country shooting a video with no real world access.
I wanted to see if anyone picked up on the cloning and removal of the objects, powerlines, building etc....
I do believe the extra work on the rocks does work alot better Thanks for that.
I am learning still work and I haven't found a better site for this kind of help.
Thanks again

adbsgicom · Nov-03-2009, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digidrone

I do thank you for your comments and your views of this capture.
I'm sorry I went missing on ya but not everyone lives or dies by the amount of posts they make per day

I have been in back country shooting a video with no real world access.
I wanted to see if anyone picked up on the cloning and removal of the objects, powerlines, building etc....
I do believe the extra work on the rocks does work alot better Thanks for that.
I am learning still work and I haven't found a better site for this kind of help.
Thanks again

Glad you are okay, and still around. Hope the back-country trip yielded some footage you're happy with. [ha, one more post today....

]

Oct-27-2009, 04:52 AM	#1
digidrone Royce Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Bitterroot Mts. Idaho Posts: 101	Redrock in the Clouds Please have your way with this capture original my adjustments I think this is my finale adjustment... Thanks for looking and help. __________________ Thanks, Royce www.dannerphotography.smugmug.com Last edited by digidrone; Nov-03-2009 at 04:30 AM.

Oct-27-2009, 06:59 AM	#2
adbsgicom Texas-Sized Grins Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,917	Very nice image. I think it lacks a bit of pop. A quick play in CS4 shows that your green and red are very dim, but the blue sky is dominating the levels. By masking the sky and pushing the levels and a hint of contrast, you can pull the red of those gorgeous mountains out a bit more. This was just a couple of minutes in CS4, and there are others here more skilled in the art of CS that can likely add to this.... I adjusted red/green/blue independently.... __________________ - Andrew Who is wise? He who learns from everyone. My SmugMug Site

Oct-27-2009, 08:10 AM	#3
craig_d Grinnin' Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 815	The original doesn't quite jump out enough, but Andrew's color-adjusted version looks overdone to me. A bit more pop might be nice, but I think it has to be done with a bit more subtlety, and only to the rocks, not the tree or the grass. Conditions were obviously overcast, and that quality needs to be retained. __________________ http://craigd.smugmug.com 35mm Digital SLR: Canon 5D Mark II 35mm Film SLR: Nikon F2, Nikon FE, Asahi Pentax SV 35mm Film Rangefinder: Konica III Medium Format Film SLR: Pentax 67

Oct-27-2009, 08:14 AM	#4
adbsgicom Texas-Sized Grins Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,917	You are right (as usual). I looked at the grass in my edit, though it felt too yellow, but just posted it anyway figuring it wasn't final state. I personally like the tree a bunch brighter so I left that in this edit. __________________ - Andrew Who is wise? He who learns from everyone. My SmugMug Site

Oct-27-2009, 08:34 AM	#5
craig_d Grinnin' Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 815	I like this new version better (the red rocks look just about perfect, and the overall color tone is very good), but I disagree about the tree. If the point of this picture is the majestic red-toned rocks, the tree shouldn't stand out so much. In the original picture, the tree and the grass are realistically dull (considering the overcast conditions), which I think is appropriate for this image. As for me being "right (as usual)"... I'm sure you must be exaggerating. Can we call in B.D. for a second opinion? He and I tend to agree on principles, I think, but we very often disagree about actual pictures, and quite often, on further reflection, I end up agreeing with him. __________________ http://craigd.smugmug.com 35mm Digital SLR: Canon 5D Mark II 35mm Film SLR: Nikon F2, Nikon FE, Asahi Pentax SV 35mm Film Rangefinder: Konica III Medium Format Film SLR: Pentax 67

Oct-29-2009, 04:23 PM	#7
Carmelo75 Learning grins Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 143	Hi Royce, I really like the image as well, altough the second of Andrew's editings looks better than the original (honestly I would not know how to improve it further myself, except maybe for a slight blue cast on the mountains, that I would remove...). The original image looks too dull and flat for this kind of subject (and I bet that the yellow of the trees and the red of the mountains looked much brighter and evident to your eyes than it has been recorded by the camera!). What I would change is the composition, as I find the yellow trees on the right very distracting, while they add nothing to the image. I would opt for a mostly square format, and crop away the right yellow trees, to get a cleaner and more essential composition. By the way, I cannot see the original image anymore... Carmelo. __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/carmelo75

Nov-02-2009, 06:55 AM	#8
timk519 Major grins Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 792	where's the original image? __________________ Save $5 off your first year's SmugMug image hosting with coupon code hccesQbqNBJbc

Nov-02-2009, 11:08 AM	#13
Carmelo75 Learning grins Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 143	Agreed as well . I personally like much more suggestions and cryticism than a simple "nice shot!"... As for this thread, I doubt that Royce got offended, as he was clearly asking for help on the editing, and often showing the result of an editing is much easier and direct than describing it... I hope he will still close this thread, I'm quite curious to know if he liked the suggestions. Carmelo. __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/carmelo75

Nov-03-2009, 04:28 AM	#15
digidrone Royce Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Bitterroot Mts. Idaho Posts: 101	I do thank you for your comments and your views of this capture. I'm sorry I went missing on ya but not everyone lives or dies by the amount of posts they make per day I have been in back country shooting a video with no real world access. I wanted to see if anyone picked up on the cloning and removal of the objects, powerlines, building etc.... I do believe the extra work on the rocks does work alot better Thanks for that. I am learning still work and I haven't found a better site for this kind of help. Thanks again __________________ Thanks, Royce www.dannerphotography.smugmug.com

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