For a HUGE majority of our users this will not be a problem, since most people upload originals that will be far larger in dimension than what their large sizes will be. Make sense?
As for resizing the page, sorry about that - but I found not other way around this problem: we needed to make the orginal page's scrollbars dissapear (by setting the body's overflow style to hidden in css). The problem is that not all browsers would take the scroll bars away unless you resized the window. So I resized it by 1 px. I put it back to the correct size when you close the light box though. Guess windows does not put it back to full screen.
Are you talking about the lightbox or the add to cart waiting message? Cause if it's the latter, mine does it by a lot more than 1px (the window takes up about 66% of the screen and there is a substantial portion of the window not displayed on the screen).
Are you talking about the lightbox or the add to cart waiting message? Cause if it's the latter, mine does it by a lot more than 1px (the window takes up about 66% of the screen and there is a substantial portion of the window not displayed on the screen).
The first one is just plain ugly... it uses <table>-elements and they are hard to style. <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/ne_nau.gif" border="0" alt="" >
The second one looks great, just like a gallery.
The first one is just plain ugly... it uses <table>-elements and they are hard to style. <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/ne_nau.gif" border="0" alt="" >
The second one looks great, just like a gallery.
You can change the background png image used to whatever you want for the lightbox. If you want it to be completely opaque, go for it Just look in the smugmugBlack.css file for the ID to use.
OK, I'll look into that. On that note, I am impressed that you managed to convince IE to make proper use of the alpha channel. I didn't think it was possible. Also, do i have to make a whole new gallery just to upload a 1x1 pixel image to make it fully opaque? Would it be possible for SM to put a few others in the /img/ path, like one that is 100 percent opaque, so anyone can use it?
As for resizing the page, sorry about that - but I found not other way around this problem: we needed to make the orginal page's scrollbars dissapear (by setting the body's overflow style to hidden in css). The problem is that not all browsers would take the scroll bars away unless you resized the window. So I resized it by 1 px. I put it back to the correct size when you close the light box though. Guess windows does not put it back to full screen.
I tried it in IE and the scroll bars stay, no matter if the window is maximized or not. It does only do the resize if the window is non-maximized. That is, in IE a maximized window stays mazimized. In firefox 1.5, with javascript not being allowed to resize windows, it also looks fine and nothing changes. The scroll bars being there doesn't hurt the display any more than the giant cogs spinning, i guess I just dont see the need. I've sent a few links to galleries to a couple friends and the first thing they said to me was "It resized my bloody window!" This is truely a nuisance.
One other person has asked for captions below the image, but I did not want to recreate the wheel with lightbox. It is meant to be a quick speedy way to examine a photo. If you want more details, slideshow or filmstrip might be better to go look at.
OK, this is sensible. I can buy that at least as far as not seeing exif and iptc stuff. The caption may be nice down the line, if the image is titled it'd be nice to know what that title is. As for the fade thing, that is purely cosmetic, i just think it would look smoother and less mechanical. Despite the existence of slideshow and filmstrip, i think this mode is the most common view mode. Everyone i know doesnt even know about slideshow or filmstrip, so it may make more sense to put a little more time in to making the lightbox as smooth as possible.
The Lightbox feature seems like a good idea, but it needs some serious work.
- Loading times needs to be faster
- Don't show a blank box with gears as the next image loads (instead keep the old image on screen until the next one is downloaded)
- The navigation "buttons" are TOO small. Big, prominen "back" and "next" links are a must. This makes it annoying to navigate.
- Would be nice if a user could exit just by clicking outside the image box.
I think there should be an option to disable the Lightbox, for page styles other than "Smugmug". For some reason, the feature is enabled by default for viewing "original size" images on "Thumbs" and "Traditional", but not for other sizes. Why the discrepancy? (By the way, I find the default "large size" a tad small, so I prefer to upload a better resized image as my "Originals').
On a related note, it really annoys me that Smugmug keeps changing or replacing features, without an option to revert to the previous page style or advance notice. Especially when the new feature is flawed and still in beta phase. What if your users just like way things currently are?
The Lightbox feature seems like a good idea, but it needs some serious work...
- Don't show a blank box with gears as the next image loads (instead keep the old image on screen until the next one is downloaded)
This has my vote as well, and as suggested earlier put a smaller set of gears (or something that indicates progress) in the bottom corner so they now the next image is loading.
I like the idea of the lightbox, but its kinda buggy.
1. When I first tried it, it would resize my window to the bottom right (ie not just move 1 pixel). But now I cant reproduce that.
2. when scrolling with a picture up, using the bar on the Right works fine, but if I try to use my laptop's touchpad it scrolls down the main page instead (ie the bar that is hidden). This also looks stupid since the 'dark box' doesnt go all the way down.
3. Buttons too small (put them on either side?)
4. Id prefer the blackout was darker or totally black.
edit: using firefox btw
Think I figured the resize thing out:
it resizes to the last remembered non-maximized window. So put your browser somewhere weird, then maximize. Then go and click a photo, it moves to the weird spot (instead of 1 pixel from maximized).
lightbox glitch
First off, I love the new features--drag and drop arrangeing and lightbox. I did notice on my site, and all others that I checked (including Andy's), that when you use a Mozilla browser and click the [x] to leave the lightbox, the screen no longer has scroll bars. This may be a problem if your mouse doesn't have a wheel. Clicking the "back" arrow brings the scroll bars back. Just a minor glitch, but you may want to look into it.
Barry www.trihokie.com
First off, I love the new features--drag and drop arrangeing and lightbox. I did notice on my site, and all others that I checked (including Andy's), that when you use a Mozilla browser and click the [x] to leave the lightbox, the screen no longer has scroll bars. This may be a problem if your mouse doesn't have a wheel. Clicking the "back" arrow brings the scroll bars back. Just a minor glitch, but you may want to look into it.
Barry www.trihokie.com
FF 1.5, resized to 800x600:
With LightBox on:
Close LightBox by using the [X], still have the scroll bar:
First off, I love the new features--drag and drop arrangeing and lightbox. I did notice on my site, and all others that I checked (including Andy's), that when you use a Mozilla browser and click the [x] to leave the lightbox, the screen no longer has scroll bars. This may be a problem if your mouse doesn't have a wheel. Clicking the "back" arrow brings the scroll bars back. Just a minor glitch, but you may want to look into it.
Barry www.trihokie.com
This is all browser dependent (as it should be). Which is why Andy gets different results on firefox for OSX than say, me, on firefox for windows. IE gives different results as well. And, for the record, when i disallow javascript resizing, the site works fine. Scroll bars when there should be. None when there shouldn't be. Let the browser do the deciding, it knows my configuration better.
I've noticed something that will be an issue for high-use accounts.
Every time I hover over a thumbnail, it reloads. As far as I know, this was not the case when I signed up and before some of the newer changes.
What I'm afraid of is the bandwidth usage by all of the excessive thumbnail loads. I know I will be going over the 16gb multiple times over once I direct my site traffic to my albums on smugmug, but this issue might double or triple my bandwidth costs.
I've noticed something that will be an issue for high-use accounts.
Every time I hover over a thumbnail, it reloads. As far as I know, this was not the case when I signed up and before some of the newer changes.
What I'm afraid of is the bandwidth usage by all of the excessive thumbnail loads. I know I will be going over the 16gb multiple times over once I direct my site traffic to my albums on smugmug, but this issue might double or triple my bandwidth costs.
I've noticed something that will be an issue for high-use accounts.
Every time I hover over a thumbnail, it reloads. As far as I know, this was not the case when I signed up and before some of the newer changes.
What I'm afraid of is the bandwidth usage by all of the excessive thumbnail loads. I know I will be going over the 16gb multiple times over once I direct my site traffic to my albums on smugmug, but this issue might double or triple my bandwidth costs.
I've noticed something that will be an issue for high-use accounts.
Every time I hover over a thumbnail, it reloads. As far as I know, this was not the case when I signed up and before some of the newer changes.
What I'm afraid of is the bandwidth usage by all of the excessive thumbnail loads. I know I will be going over the 16gb multiple times over once I direct my site traffic to my albums on smugmug, but this issue might double or triple my bandwidth costs.
Is this normal or will it change?
Are you using IE6.0?
Are the 'reloading' images protected (smugmug-protected)?
If so, you may see the 'IE flicker problem'.
Make sure your browser settings are like this:
Set "Check for newer versions of stored pages" to "Automatically".
First of all, I really like the new changes; but I'm using Firefox 1.5 and am also experiencing the minimizing and shifting of the browser window when I view a photograph using the lightbox.
That said, I'm more concerned by what is happening now when the "Buy:This Photo" button is clicked. Persons using Firefox are no longer immediately being taken to the screen where they see the photo they are purchasing and the various options in terms of size, finish, etc. The "View Cart" button has to be clicked for that to happen.
I don't think that this is as user-friendly and intuitive as the old method and may actually confuse some potential buyers.
As I was experimenting with it, I clicked on "Buy: This Photo" twice before it dawned on me that I needed to click on "View Cart"; of course by then I'd begun filling the cart with duplicate orders.
Again, I really like the changes, but am hopeful that the bugginess associated with them can be worked out quickly.
Kent "Not everybody trusts paintings, but people believe photographs."- Ansel Adams Web site
First of all, I really like the new changes; but I'm using Firefox 1.5 and am also experiencing the minimizing and shifting of the browser window when I view a photograph using the lightbox.
That said, I'm more concerned by what is happening now when the "Buy:This Photo" button is clicked. Persons using Firefox are no longer immediately being taken to the screen where they see the photo they are purchasing and the various options in terms of size, finish, etc. The "View Cart" button has to be clicked for that to happen.
I don't think that this is as user-friendly and intuitive as the old method and may actually confuse some potential buyers.
As I was experimenting with it, I clicked on "Buy: This Photo" twice before it dawned on me that I needed to click on "View Cart"; of course by then I'd begun filling the cart with duplicate orders.
Again, I really like the changes, but am hopeful that the bugginess associated with them can be worked out quickly.
Thanks Kent - I've made sure that our engineers and product manager have seen your post. As to your Cart problem, I've already respoded via SmugMug help mail - but here's my suggestion:
Then I went back to that hockey gallery, and bought 4 more photos, using "buy multiple photos." All the images were added to my cart no trouble.
Please clear all your IE6 cookies, cache, and quit then restart IE. Also, are you behind a corporate firewall or other security blocking software and hardware? Some network environments block shopping activity. Please also check that you have Javascript fully enabled on your IE6. It's something strange or set wrong on your IE6, as the functionality works just fine. Your customers will be able to buy - but let's focus on getting you squared away. Another thing, maybe download and install FF 1.5 at work if you can? That way, you can test in both browsers.
[I know I posted this yesterday, but it's apparently gone now.]
I guess it's because of my customizations, but I don't see the lightbox thing at all on my site. http://MiltonSports.smugmug.com/
What I do see is messed-up formatting when I'm logged in and using FireFox - I can't get to the Control Panel button at all. If I log in but use IE, things are fine. If I'm logged out (like a customer) then it looks ok as far as I can see in either browser.
[large image removed, see other thread where my posting got moved.]
Maybe it's my CSS that boogered up, but it was fine before this weekend's update.
[I know I posted this yesterday, but it's apparently gone now.]
I guess it's because of my customizations, but I don't see the lightbox thing at all on my site. http://MiltonSports.smugmug.com/
What I do see is messed-up formatting when I'm logged in and using FireFox - I can't get to the Control Panel button at all. If I log in but use IE, things are fine. If I'm logged out (like a customer) then it looks ok as far as I can see in either browser.
Maybe it's my CSS that boogered up, but it was fine before this weekend's update.
thanks. It looks like my reply got turned into a new post in the other category, but that doesn't show up in my "subscribed" threads so it wasn't obvious to me. I'll follow up over there.
what would it take to make it as fast as slideshow? that is, slideshow seems the fastest of the view options when scrolling through each image, when I press the next button images pop up almost instaneously with slideshow (w/large photo size). I assume slideshow is pre-caching images and use of javascript for fetching next/prev image. I'd love to see lightbox with the speed of slideshow.
also noticed a small issue when going through a proxy. I am using a http://www.privoxy.org/ proxy over an ssh tunnel. is what happens is lightbox tries to load and stalls just showing the gears. if I eliminate the proxy it works. not a big deal and probably something on prioxy, hoping you guys might have an idea what to look for (and I haven't looked at the proxy logs yet so could be plainly obvious once I do).
good work sm! I especially like the drag&drop arrange feature.
I also use privoxy and when I first joined smugmug I found that privoxy tended to slow down or mess up smugmug. I decided that smugmug wasn't doing much (or any) evil that needed to be filtered, so instead of trying to figure out what the problem was I simply added smugmug and dgrin to the proxy bypass list in my network settings.
As everyone else does, I think the new features are cool.
I do have one issue with the ordering, though. To tell you the truth, I think it is due to firewalls at my office, though. I'll explain it, and see if there is something that can be done.
When I go to order a picture, it does not work. In IE, it just hangs. In firefox, I get this error page:
Like I said, I think this is my company's firewall (it works fine from home).
For whatever reason, my company's firewall allows access to all smugmug and dgrin addresses that I've tried, except http://www.smugmug.com/hack.
I get redirected to restrictedsite/restrictedpage.asp?url=http://www.smugmug.com/hack with a note that this page is restricted. Looks like the same thing that is coming up in the firefox error above.
My hunch is that the java (or whatever cart.mg is) that is working when you add to card is based in the www.smugmug.com/hack path and is therefore being blocked by my company.
To me, this is not really smugmug's problem, but I wonder how many companies have a firewall rule like this. We are a large (50,000+ employees in the US) company...
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Are you talking about the lightbox or the add to cart waiting message? Cause if it's the latter, mine does it by a lot more than 1px (the window takes up about 66% of the screen and there is a substantial portion of the window not displayed on the screen).
I bet I know what happens - it is using your unfullscreen size to and then adjusting from there. I will see what can be about it.
I think you're fixing stuff right now. <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/thumb.gif" border="0" alt="" > <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/thumb.gif" border="0" alt="" > You guys are great
I saw the turning cogs image in my search result pages this morning and now suddenly the image is gone (hidden)! Great! Thanks!
But why does the search-result page for keywords looks so much different from the 'regular' search-result page?:
1. Regular search: http://www.streetsofboston.com/search/index.mg?searchType=InUser&searchWords=red+sox&NickName=flyingdutchie
2. Keyword search: http://www.streetsofboston.com/keyword/red%20sox
The first one is just plain ugly... it uses <table>-elements and they are hard to style. <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/ne_nau.gif" border="0" alt="" >
The second one looks great, just like a gallery.
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This is overlay stuff is great!
It really sets off the photos much more effectively. The controls are clear and intuitive. You never lose where you are.
This is really a big step forward in displaying the shots. Nice job, guys!
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But we have not fixed a thing yet - you probably just had a bad cache.
OK, I'll look into that. On that note, I am impressed that you managed to convince IE to make proper use of the alpha channel. I didn't think it was possible. Also, do i have to make a whole new gallery just to upload a 1x1 pixel image to make it fully opaque? Would it be possible for SM to put a few others in the /img/ path, like one that is 100 percent opaque, so anyone can use it?
I tried it in IE and the scroll bars stay, no matter if the window is maximized or not. It does only do the resize if the window is non-maximized. That is, in IE a maximized window stays mazimized. In firefox 1.5, with javascript not being allowed to resize windows, it also looks fine and nothing changes. The scroll bars being there doesn't hurt the display any more than the giant cogs spinning, i guess I just dont see the need. I've sent a few links to galleries to a couple friends and the first thing they said to me was "It resized my bloody window!" This is truely a nuisance.
OK, this is sensible. I can buy that at least as far as not seeing exif and iptc stuff. The caption may be nice down the line, if the image is titled it'd be nice to know what that title is. As for the fade thing, that is purely cosmetic, i just think it would look smoother and less mechanical. Despite the existence of slideshow and filmstrip, i think this mode is the most common view mode. Everyone i know doesnt even know about slideshow or filmstrip, so it may make more sense to put a little more time in to making the lightbox as smooth as possible.
Thanks for the quick (and reasonable) response!
-russ
- Loading times needs to be faster
- Don't show a blank box with gears as the next image loads (instead keep the old image on screen until the next one is downloaded)
- The navigation "buttons" are TOO small. Big, prominen "back" and "next" links are a must. This makes it annoying to navigate.
- Would be nice if a user could exit just by clicking outside the image box.
I think there should be an option to disable the Lightbox, for page styles other than "Smugmug". For some reason, the feature is enabled by default for viewing "original size" images on "Thumbs" and "Traditional", but not for other sizes. Why the discrepancy? (By the way, I find the default "large size" a tad small, so I prefer to upload a better resized image as my "Originals').
On a related note, it really annoys me that Smugmug keeps changing or replacing features, without an option to revert to the previous page style or advance notice. Especially when the new feature is flawed and still in beta phase. What if your users just like way things currently are?
This has my vote as well, and as suggested earlier put a smaller set of gears (or something that indicates progress) in the bottom corner so they now the next image is loading.
1. When I first tried it, it would resize my window to the bottom right (ie not just move 1 pixel). But now I cant reproduce that.
2. when scrolling with a picture up, using the bar on the Right works fine, but if I try to use my laptop's touchpad it scrolls down the main page instead (ie the bar that is hidden). This also looks stupid since the 'dark box' doesnt go all the way down.
3. Buttons too small (put them on either side?)
4. Id prefer the blackout was darker or totally black.
edit: using firefox btw
Think I figured the resize thing out:
it resizes to the last remembered non-maximized window. So put your browser somewhere weird, then maximize. Then go and click a photo, it moves to the weird spot (instead of 1 pixel from maximized).
First off, I love the new features--drag and drop arrangeing and lightbox. I did notice on my site, and all others that I checked (including Andy's), that when you use a Mozilla browser and click the [x] to leave the lightbox, the screen no longer has scroll bars. This may be a problem if your mouse doesn't have a wheel. Clicking the "back" arrow brings the scroll bars back. Just a minor glitch, but you may want to look into it.
Barry
www.trihokie.com
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FF 1.5, resized to 800x600:
With LightBox on:
Close LightBox by using the [X], still have the scroll bar:
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This is all browser dependent (as it should be). Which is why Andy gets different results on firefox for OSX than say, me, on firefox for windows. IE gives different results as well. And, for the record, when i disallow javascript resizing, the site works fine. Scroll bars when there should be. None when there shouldn't be. Let the browser do the deciding, it knows my configuration better.
-russ
(Hokie Hi - 2005)
I tried it out on Andy's site. I started with it showing in the full window:
Then i clicked on the picture, and this happened:
The same thing happens when i put that last window in fullsize again and press the "X".
I do like the idea of it
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Every time I hover over a thumbnail, it reloads. As far as I know, this was not the case when I signed up and before some of the newer changes.
What I'm afraid of is the bandwidth usage by all of the excessive thumbnail loads. I know I will be going over the 16gb multiple times over once I direct my site traffic to my albums on smugmug, but this issue might double or triple my bandwidth costs.
Is this normal or will it change?
Want faster uploading? Vote for FTP!
I will check your site.
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Hovering does not cause a reload of the image.
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Are you using IE6.0?
Are the 'reloading' images protected (smugmug-protected)?
If so, you may see the 'IE flicker problem'.
Make sure your browser settings are like this:
Set "Check for newer versions of stored pages" to "Automatically".
When I hear the earth will melt into the sun,
in two billion years,
all I can think is:
"Will that be on a Monday?"
==========================
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http://blog.antonspaans.com
That said, I'm more concerned by what is happening now when the "Buy:This Photo" button is clicked. Persons using Firefox are no longer immediately being taken to the screen where they see the photo they are purchasing and the various options in terms of size, finish, etc. The "View Cart" button has to be clicked for that to happen.
I don't think that this is as user-friendly and intuitive as the old method and may actually confuse some potential buyers.
As I was experimenting with it, I clicked on "Buy: This Photo" twice before it dawned on me that I needed to click on "View Cart"; of course by then I'd begun filling the cart with duplicate orders.
Again, I really like the changes, but am hopeful that the bugginess associated with them can be worked out quickly.
Kent
"Not everybody trusts paintings, but people believe photographs."- Ansel Adams
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Want faster uploading? Vote for FTP!
We do not support IE5.5.
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Thanks Kent - I've made sure that our engineers and product manager have seen your post. As to your Cart problem, I've already respoded via SmugMug help mail - but here's my suggestion:
Using IE6, I was able to go to your gallery and "buy this photo" :
http://kent.smugmug.com/gallery/1127480/1/52493428
Then I went back to that hockey gallery, and bought 4 more photos, using "buy multiple photos." All the images were added to my cart no trouble.
Please clear all your IE6 cookies, cache, and quit then restart IE. Also, are you behind a corporate firewall or other security blocking software and hardware? Some network environments block shopping activity. Please also check that you have Javascript fully enabled on your IE6. It's something strange or set wrong on your IE6, as the functionality works just fine. Your customers will be able to buy - but let's focus on getting you squared away. Another thing, maybe download and install FF 1.5 at work if you can? That way, you can test in both browsers.
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I guess it's because of my customizations, but I don't see the lightbox thing at all on my site. http://MiltonSports.smugmug.com/
What I do see is messed-up formatting when I'm logged in and using FireFox - I can't get to the Control Panel button at all. If I log in but use IE, things are fine. If I'm logged out (like a customer) then it looks ok as far as I can see in either browser.
[large image removed, see other thread where my posting got moved.]
Maybe it's my CSS that boogered up, but it was fine before this weekend's update.
my words, my "pro"pictures, my "fun" pictures, my videos.
steven, mike responded to your other post:
http://dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=238227#post238227
thanks. It looks like my reply got turned into a new post in the other category, but that doesn't show up in my "subscribed" threads so it wasn't obvious to me. I'll follow up over there.
my words, my "pro"pictures, my "fun" pictures, my videos.
what would it take to make it as fast as slideshow? that is, slideshow seems the fastest of the view options when scrolling through each image, when I press the next button images pop up almost instaneously with slideshow (w/large photo size). I assume slideshow is pre-caching images and use of javascript for fetching next/prev image. I'd love to see lightbox with the speed of slideshow.
also noticed a small issue when going through a proxy. I am using a http://www.privoxy.org/ proxy over an ssh tunnel. is what happens is lightbox tries to load and stalls just showing the gears. if I eliminate the proxy it works. not a big deal and probably something on prioxy, hoping you guys might have an idea what to look for (and I haven't looked at the proxy logs yet so could be plainly obvious once I do).
good work sm! I especially like the drag&drop arrange feature.
Hey,
As everyone else does, I think the new features are cool.
I do have one issue with the ordering, though. To tell you the truth, I think it is due to firewalls at my office, though. I'll explain it, and see if there is something that can be done.
When I go to order a picture, it does not work. In IE, it just hangs. In firefox, I get this error page:
Like I said, I think this is my company's firewall (it works fine from home).
For whatever reason, my company's firewall allows access to all smugmug and dgrin addresses that I've tried, except http://www.smugmug.com/hack.
I get redirected to restrictedsite/restrictedpage.asp?url=http://www.smugmug.com/hack with a note that this page is restricted. Looks like the same thing that is coming up in the firefox error above.
My hunch is that the java (or whatever cart.mg is) that is working when you add to card is based in the www.smugmug.com/hack path and is therefore being blocked by my company.
To me, this is not really smugmug's problem, but I wonder how many companies have a firewall rule like this. We are a large (50,000+ employees in the US) company...
Is there anyway to move cart.mg out of /hack?