Did you guys just break something?

[peestandingup]

Because all of a sudden videos now are showing up as pictures instead of video clips on a Mac using Camino. Stretchy doesnt seem to work anymore either. Safari & FF seem fine.

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[Andy]

Because all of a sudden videos now are showing up as pictures instead of video clips on a Mac using Camino. Stretchy doesnt seem to work anymore either. Safari & FF seem fine.

Playing fine here http://cmac.smugmug.com/gallery/2504559_f3ta9#285017583_rtqqj-A-LB are you still having the issue?

[peestandingup]

Playing fine here http://cmac.smugmug.com/gallery/2504559_f3ta9#285017583_rtqqj-A-LB are you still having the issue?
Absolutely. Camino on Mac. No videos & no stretchy. Tried it on 3 different machines that haven't been updated in weeks. Issue just started happening today.

Did they change some code today or very recently??

[docwalker]

This is possibly something going on with Camino. Its playing fine for me in Firefox and Safari using my mac.

Can you try Safari?

[Andy]

Yeah Kerry, officially, we support FF, Safari, IE6, IE7, but not Camino. I may have worked, but we can't promise things will always work in Camino Browser, I'm very, very sorry. :(

[peestandingup]

Bummer. I've been using Camino (called Chimera back in the day) for almost 8 years now & it was the precursor to Firefox (basically Camino/Chimera & Mozilla is what FF was built from). I like it better because its the FF engine but is native to OS X (FF is a non-native port from the PC version).

Can I at least put in a request for official support??

[bigwebguy]

Bummer. I've been using Camino (called Chimera back in the day) for almost 8 years nowAre you from the future?!?!?!

The first downloadable build of Chimera 0.1 was released on February 13, 2002.

[peestandingup]

Are you from the future?!?!?!
Chimera started in 1993 for UNIX-based systems until Mozilla took it over. Chimera for OS X didn't start until 2002. I wasn't always a Mac user.

"Your [Google] powers are weak, old man." :duel

[bigwebguy]

Chimera started in 1993 for UNIX-based systems until Mozilla took it over. Chimera for OS X didn't start until 2002. I wasn't always a Mac user.

"Your [Google] powers are weak, old man." :duelThe Wikipedia article I read says that the Chimera you've been using since the 70s is different than the Camino that .07% of our visitors use. Conflicting information so it seems...

At any rate, I went to look at why the movie buttons werent showing in Camino, I quickly gave up because the code looks fine but without any in-browser debugging tools it's more effort than its worth to try and figure out whats going on.

Just out of curiosity...why Camino instead of (the very awesome) FF3 or Safari? Both of which are faster and have more modern features than Camino?

[peestandingup]

Just out of curiosity...why Camino instead of (the very awesome) FF3 or Safari? Both of which are faster and have more modern features than Camino?Firefox is awesome...on a PC. The Mac version is basically a port over that isn't integrated with OS X at all, like Keychain (the password manager) support, system wide spell checker, widgets, etc. Every other native Mac broswer has these things & they're expected. So Mozilla can put all the shiny metal buttons on FF they like, that still doesnt make it a Mac browser.

And I just dont like Safari because I have to use too many add-ons to get it to function right, which is small things like ad blockers, which should be included outta the box IMO.

Camino = Fast, lightweight & stable with all the features most people need with none of the bloat, taking advantage of OS X like a good browser should.

Im not sure that FF on a Mac is faster than Camino. I'd like to see those numbers if anyone's done a comparison. Since they both use the same engine & Camino is built for OS X, it should be faster.

[bigwebguy]

Im not sure that FF on a Mac is faster than Camino. I'd like to see those numbers if anyone's done a comparison. Since they both use the same engine & Camino is built for OS X, it should be faster.You're right about FF2, but FF3 is a cocoa app (it still doesnt use Aqua widgets, but ask any web developer and they'll tell you this is a GOOD thing AND the main reason we have to treat Camino differently than Firefox). It also uses gecko 1.9 which has some serious speed improvements. Camino is 1.8 (same as ff2). FF3 also has the latest SpiderMonkey engine (javascript) which has some ridiculous speed improvements.

Here are some SunSpider javascript benchmark numbers (what webkit uses for benchmarking) with Safari 3.1.1, FF3 and Camino 1.6.1. http://webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider.html

Camino 1.6.1: 9575.2ms
http://webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider-results.html?%7B%223d-cube%22:%5B248,265,255,249,264%5D,%223d-morph%22:%5B831,836,818,818,821%5D,%223d-raytrace%22:%5B208,211,201,194,200%5D,%22access-binary-trees%22:%5B107,100,103,103,103%5D,%22access-fannkuch%22:%5B245,244,244,246,245%5D,%22access-nbody%22:%5B204,199,208,199,213%5D,%22access-nsieve%22:%5B165,156,172,165,168%5D,%22bitops-3bit-bits-in-byte%22:%5B183,181,184,184,184%5D,%22bitops-bits-in-byte%22:%5B182,182,182,181,182%5D,%22bitops-bitwise-and%22:%5B2491,2462,2505,2506,2509%5D,%22bitops-nsieve-bits%22:%5B162,158,155,162,160%5D,%22controlflow-recursive%22:%5B71,71,71,71,70%5D,%22crypto-aes%22:%5B169,168,163,165,166%5D,%22crypto-md5%22:%5B101,103,101,102,99%5D,%22crypto-sha1%22:%5B103,105,101,102,103%5D,%22date-format-tofte%22:%5B489,480,483,484,486%5D,%22date-format-xparb%22:%5B938,933,915,922,926%5D,%22math-cordic%22:%5B218,221,226,219,214%5D,%22math-partial-sums%22:%5B229,238,235,241,234%5D,%22math-spectral-norm%22:%5B102,98,107,97,102%5D,%22regexp-dna%22:%5B418,418,419,419,423%5D,%22string-base64%22:%5B397,391,395,403,385%5D,%22string-fasta%22:%5B311,307,311,318,309%5D,%22string-tagcloud%22:%5B317,316,319,306,317%5D,%22string-unpack-code%22:%5B552,557,551,556,556%5D,%22string-validate-input%22:%5B149,157,151,154,149%5D%7D

Safari 3.1.1: 5028.6ms
http://webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider-results.html?%7B%223d-cube%22:%5B710,482,468,467,469%5D,%223d-morph%22:%5B245,236,230,234,232%5D,%223d-raytrace%22:%5B203,221,249,219,221%5D,%22access-binary-trees%22:%5B68,67,81,68,68%5D,%22access-fannkuch%22:%5B211,213,208,214,217%5D,%22access-nbody%22:%5B435,443,438,445,434%5D,%22access-nsieve%22:%5B53,53,52,56,55%5D,%22bitops-3bit-bits-in-byte%22:%5B59,59,58,58,58%5D,%22bitops-bits-in-byte%22:%5B86,85,86,86,87%5D,%22bitops-bitwise-and%22:%5B149,148,143,150,152%5D,%22bitops-nsieve-bits%22:%5B168,169,170,169,169%5D,%22controlflow-recursive%22:%5B118,76,77,78,77%5D,%22crypto-aes%22:%5B69,69,70,70,68%5D,%22crypto-md5%22:%5B116,115,123,117,119%5D,%22crypto-sha1%22:%5B134,135,130,136,132%5D,%22date-format-tofte%22:%5B156,155,160,159,156%5D,%22date-format-xparb%22:%5B200,189,186,184,183%5D,%22math-cordic%22:%5B399,400,399,394,402%5D,%22math-partial-sums%22:%5B427,411,423,416,419%5D,%22math-spectral-norm%22:%5B217,210,209,209,211%5D,%22regexp-dna%22:%5B209,208,202,203,209%5D,%22string-base64%22:%5B143,148,147,151,152%5D,%22string-fasta%22:%5B192,187,192,193,193%5D,%22string-tagcloud%22:%5B162,154,153,164,153%5D,%22string-unpack-code%22:%5B155,161,157,158,163%5D,%22string-validate-input%22:%5B171,166,174,169,177%5D%7D

Firefox 3: 2735.8ms
http://webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider-results.html?%7B%223d-cube%22:%5B124,127,128,126,127%5D,%223d-morph%22:%5B106,106,110,107,106%5D,%223d-raytrace%22:%5B108,108,105,106,107%5D,%22access-binary-trees%22:%5B47,46,47,48,47%5D,%22access-fannkuch%22:%5B143,145,141,144,146%5D,%22access-nbody%22:%5B145,158,156,146,137%5D,%22access-nsieve%22:%5B48,48,48,49,49%5D,%22bitops-3bit-bits-in-byte%22:%5B40,41,39,40,39%5D,%22bitops-bits-in-byte%22:%5B65,66,65,65,65%5D,%22bitops-bitwise-and%22:%5B70,69,68,69,69%5D,%22bitops-nsieve-bits%22:%5B80,79,80,83,80%5D,%22controlflow-recursive%22:%5B36,33,32,33,32%5D,%22crypto-aes%22:%5B64,65,64,64,65%5D,%22crypto-md5%22:%5B51,49,49,50,49%5D,%22crypto-sha1%22:%5B51,46,48,50,49%5D,%22date-format-tofte%22:%5B193,199,197,195,193%5D,%22date-format-xparb%22:%5B138,136,135,135,136%5D,%22math-cordic%22:%5B109,108,111,110,110%5D,%22math-partial-sums%22:%5B124,119,118,133,124%5D,%22math-spectral-norm%22:%5B52,54,51,54,53%5D,%22regexp-dna%22:%5B241,244,242,242,246%5D,%22string-base64%22:%5B77,77,78,76,76%5D,%22string-fasta%22:%5B185,175,181,180,181%5D,%22string-tagcloud%22:%5B144,145,142,144,149%5D,%22string-unpack-code%22:%5B200,196,199,196,199%5D,%22string-validate-input%22:%5B97,95,97,99,98%5D%7D

All these were run on my Quad Core 2.66GHz Mac pro w/7GB RAM OSX 10.5.3

and for giggles, here's a recent nightly of webkit with their new SquirrelFish JS engine (zooom!):

Webkit Nightly r34382: 1830.2ms
http://webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider-results.html?%7B%223d-cube%22:%5B78,74,75,72,76%5D,%223d-morph%22:%5B85,84,83,80,79%5D,%223d-raytrace%22:%5B82,89,85,82,88%5D,%22access-binary-trees%22:%5B33,36,36,33,34%5D,%22access-fannkuch%22:%5B88,89,91,88,87%5D,%22access-nbody%22:%5B107,108,104,110,108%5D,%22access-nsieve%22:%5B28,28,29,28,28%5D,%22bitops-3bit-bits-in-byte%22:%5B23,23,22,22,22%5D,%22bitops-bits-in-byte%22:%5B33,33,32,33,33%5D,%22bitops-bitwise-and%22:%5B51,49,51,49,50%5D,%22bitops-nsieve-bits%22:%5B71,70,63,63,63%5D,%22controlflow-recursive%22:%5B19,18,19,18,19%5D,%22crypto-aes%22:%5B46,45,48,44,45%5D,%22crypto-md5%22:%5B38,35,36,38,35%5D,%22crypto-sha1%22:%5B36,39,37,38,37%5D,%22date-format-tofte%22:%5B101,105,102,101,102%5D,%22date-format-xparb%22:%5B65,73,69,68,64%5D,%22math-cordic%22:%5B60,61,59,62,58%5D,%22math-partial-sums%22:%5B94,90,92,89,87%5D,%22math-spectral-norm%22:%5B40,37,37,33,34%5D,%22regexp-dna%22:%5B181,179,183,181,182%5D,%22string-base64%22:%5B77,82,70,75,82%5D,%22string-fasta%22:%5B87,96,89,80,91%5D,%22string-tagcloud%22:%5B111,114,124,113,115%5D,%22string-unpack-code%22:%5B121,116,118,121,122%5D,%22string-validate-input%22:%5B78,77,81,88,83%5D%7D

Camino is by far the slowest of the bunch. It may get the same speed improvements as FF3 when they get around to updating it, but who knows when that will be.

[peestandingup]

Camino is by far the slowest of the bunch. It may get the same speed improvements as FF3 when they get around to updating it, but who knows when that will be.Thanks for those tests. Camino does seem awfully slow compared to the newer FF, Safari. I think you're right though. Mozilla is slower to update Camino than FF (their baby). Once they didnt update it at all for over a year! I thought it was dead meat. Things are much better now thank god.

Probably once they do get around to it, it'll be on par or maybe even faster. They're two completely different teams working on them I believe, with the FF team I'm sure being MUCH bigger & hecnce always getting top billing for the latest & greatest internal stuff.