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Andy
Apr-02-2005, 06:04 PM
ok everyone. let's see your common, ordinary, dirty, nasty, mean winged rats... show us your pigeons, gulls, geese etc.. *no* egrets, hawks, eagles or any other bird allowed in this thread :lol anyhow, there's absolutely nothing wrong with shooting pigeons, seaguls, geese, etc. we all do it. it's ok. but - don't let the fact that they are common subjects let you get your photographic guard down - composition, proper use of light, exposure, all are still critically important.

on a grey day, i like to overexpose, this was at plus 1ec, and the result is the underside of the bird gets properly exposed, and a the sky goes white. i like the effect.
http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/3696332-L.jpg


another, same style, different day

http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/13181004-L.jpg

trying to incorporate added features into the shot helps. so does a cooperative subject :D

http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/3696352-L.jpg

i hate geese. they are really mean and always go after my kid. still, this one seemed ok enough, he enjoyed my 35 f/1.4...

http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/16532744-L.jpg

it's really fun to get a lot of them in one pic... it helps to have a five year old that you can bribe to kind of shoo them off, eh? for these types of shots, go for max depth of field, i had the camera on f/11 here, iso 800. i went for the hyperfocal distance, about five feet away from me, till nearly infinity.

http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/16535758-L.jpg

i do enjoy feeding them :eat

http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/18247733-L.jpg

http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/13522694-L.jpg

http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/12915620-L.jpg

but then, when the shooting's over, stay away from my chowdah! :eat
http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/11128670-L.jpg

enjoy (seagull) photography,

windoze
Apr-02-2005, 06:17 PM
Before there were apes - There were seagulls !!!




http://windoze.smugmug.com/photos/3390322-M.jpghttp://windoze.smugmug.com/photos/8124827-M.jpg



http://windoze.smugmug.com/photos/3387914-M.jpg


http://windoze.smugmug.com/photos/4312804-M.jpg
http://windoze.smugmug.com/photos/3488692-M.jpg
http://windoze.smugmug.com/photos/3491114-M.jpg

troy












enjoy (seagull) photography,

Allen
Apr-02-2005, 06:18 PM
Nothin' more common then these.

http://atsmith.smugmug.com/photos/5976030-L.jpg (http://atsmith.smugmug.com/photos/newexif.mg?ImageID=5976030)
Click pic for EXIF. Finally found how to add link.

rutt
Apr-02-2005, 06:19 PM
These are nice, especially:

http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/13181004-S.jpg

I like the technique a lot. I'll have to try it. And I love the way you have caught this bird in flight in a nonstereotyped position. Very nice.

It's a really good idea to overexpose. Shadow/highlight can recover a lot if you don't, and you might get some cloud detail on a day with puffy clouds. But it adds noise.

You can also go ahead and overexpose on a clear day. I know a trick that can get the blue back in the sky pretty easily (no clouds, though). In fact I'll put blue in this sky if you want. Just ask.

Oh, and I love the reverse snobism. Have to go shoot some pigeons.

davev
Apr-02-2005, 06:20 PM
Got some today.

Turkey Vulture
100% crop. I had my 28-135 on board with no time to change it.

http://www.pbase.com/davev/image/41550940.jpg

King of the pond
Sigma 80-400

http://www.pbase.com/davev/image/41550936.jpg

Allen
Apr-02-2005, 06:21 PM
Before there were apes - There were seagulls !!!
troy Yal, I remember the weeks and weeks and weeks of ya gull pics.:roflDidn't mine them at all, they all were very nice.
Al

jwear
Apr-02-2005, 06:23 PM
????? bif

Andy
Apr-02-2005, 06:26 PM
In fact I'll put blue in this sky if you want. Just ask.

Oh, and I love the reverse snobism. Have to go shoot some pigeons.

thanks rutt! sure, go ahead... make it so we can learn... love it....

Sam
Apr-02-2005, 06:28 PM
I can't come close to matching these shots, but I can play.

Sam

jwear
Apr-02-2005, 06:29 PM
http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/13181004-S.jpg this one of andy's and steve from today great gull shot how about that 2 in one day .I do remember this one from last year :thumb

Sam
Apr-02-2005, 06:31 PM
Here is another.


ps: Dial up sucks, :):

Sam
Apr-02-2005, 06:35 PM
Last bird, for today.

rutt
Apr-02-2005, 06:37 PM
Was thre already some PS tomfoolery with the first bird? I tried my blue sky technique and what looked like brushstrokes showed up along the backedges of the wings and some of the feathers in the tail. Or am I imagining this?

jwear
Apr-02-2005, 06:37 PM
What does that mean ? gtreat color and detail sam oh i mean head Jeff

wxwax
Apr-02-2005, 06:54 PM
Here is another.


ps: Dial up sucks, :):

Oh, man, I bet it does, esp. for a photography site. Bummer for you.

wxwax
Apr-02-2005, 06:56 PM
Andy, what a great tip. I would never have thought of that, and yet it works so well in your hands. :bow Thanks! Lovely shots of birds. Me, I don't care what the species is. I don't shoot 'em much, so when I get a decent one I'm all aflutter.

Rutt, I'm keen to see your blue sky effect.

Andy
Apr-02-2005, 06:57 PM
Was thre already some PS tomfoolery with the first bird? I tried my blue sky technique and what looked like brushstrokes showed up along the backedges of the wings and some of the feathers in the tail. Or am I imagining this?

well, itsa 16mp 1Ds Mark II file reduced to 100kb :D so there's bound to be something goin' on there...

i jacked the whites up in curves i'm sure, rutt...but that was 2,374 pics ago hehehe

bfjr
Apr-02-2005, 07:03 PM
You guys are too good :thumb :bow
Now I to gotta go shoot some these birdys too !! :D

Yeah I have a plain old bird here:

http://bfjr.smugmug.com/photos/18597973-M.jpg

tmlphoto
Apr-02-2005, 07:16 PM
OK. I'll play. Mockingbird on a fence post. Doesn't get much more common.
http://tmlphoto.smugmug.com/photos/9108528-L.jpg

jwear
Apr-02-2005, 08:16 PM
something to make the rats look good

pathfinder
Apr-02-2005, 10:15 PM
A Common Grackle...
http://pathfinder.smugmug.com/photos/18772901-L.jpg

And young spring Robin
http://pathfinder.smugmug.com/photos/18772899-L.jpg

marlof
Apr-03-2005, 12:11 AM
Besides the McChicken, this is the closest I get to birds. I count a pigeon, four geese, a swan, and them causing the boat owner to need a cover...

http://marlof.smugmug.com/photos/18804588-M.jpg

bfjr
Apr-03-2005, 03:07 AM
Besides the McChicken, this is the closest I get to birds. I count a pigeon, four geese, a swan, and them causing the boat owner to need a cover...

http://marlof.smugmug.com/photos/18804588-M.jpg That looks like a great peacful little inlet/harbor?? :D

marlof
Apr-03-2005, 03:16 AM
That looks like a great peacful little inlet/harbor?? :D
It sure is, in the town of Sesto Callende in the south point of the Lago Maggiore in Italy.

gus
Apr-03-2005, 03:31 AM
.

http://wadjelaphotography.smugmug.com/photos/18808381-M.jpg

marlof
Apr-03-2005, 03:33 AM
Gus, carpets don't count as birds. :D

Andy
Apr-03-2005, 04:22 AM
Gus, carpets don't count as birds. :D

:lol

ian408
Apr-03-2005, 08:03 AM
Here you go.

http://ian408.smugmug.com/photos/12704767-M.jpg

http://ian408.smugmug.com/photos/14719202-M.jpg

http://ian408.smugmug.com/photos/3245923-M.jpg

ehughes
Apr-03-2005, 08:39 AM
http://ehughes.smugmug.com/photos/18817254-M.jpg

http://ehughes.smugmug.com/photos/18817256-M.jpg

http://ehughes.smugmug.com/photos/18817255-M-2.jpg

Ed

Allen
Apr-03-2005, 09:01 AM
These snow geese were way up there circleing in a defensive formation,
maybe 1000 feet? All I saw was white dots. There were two red tails
also up there and when they left the geese formed v's and left.

Both BIF & BBIF
http://atsmith.smugmug.com/photos/10377644-L.jpg (http://atsmith.smugmug.com/photos/newexif.mg?ImageID=10377644)

Khaos
Apr-03-2005, 09:03 AM
A boring blackbird shot.


http://khaos.smugmug.com/photos/18776301-L.jpg

tmlphoto
Apr-03-2005, 09:40 AM
Another Mockingbird.
http://tmlphoto.smugmug.com/photos/18821683-L.jpg

wxwax
Apr-03-2005, 10:41 AM
Hate to be boring by reposting, but what the heck.

http://wxwax.smugmug.com/photos/10253387-L.jpg

imax
Apr-03-2005, 11:55 AM
A Couple Of Birds From This Morning


http://imax.smugmug.com/photos/18831311-M.jpg


http://imax.smugmug.com/photos/18831313-M.jpg

Steve Cavigliano
Apr-03-2005, 11:55 AM
Common birds huh? Can't get more common than ducks and geese.

http://freezeframephotography.smugmug.com/photos/14396872-L.jpg

http://freezeframephotography.smugmug.com/photos/14396874-L.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/slo2k/image/40667080/original.jpg

Good idea Andy :thumb These common birds usually get overlooked cuz they are so common. But, as this thread illustrates, they can make for some outstanding pics. I'm in awe looking at all these "non-rare" birds. Great job all that contributed :clap :clap


Steve

Andy
Apr-03-2005, 11:57 AM
http://freezeframephotography.smugmug.com/photos/14396874-S.jpg



really nice, steve!

david_h
Apr-03-2005, 12:13 PM
Nothing new this weekend, so I delved into history, my trip to visit the family in the UK at Christmas.
Mistley Walls, near where I used to live has had a swan colony for years. When I was a kid, taking old bread to feed the swans was a special treat. People still do it today.
http://djh.smugmug.com/photos/18831819-L.jpg

This year there was a black swan, which I believe is native to Australia:

http://djh.smugmug.com/photos/18832953-L.jpg

John Mueller
Apr-03-2005, 01:13 PM
This is great Andy.
Here are a couple I posted a while back.

http://mhj.smugmug.com/photos/12321940-M.jpg

http://mhj.smugmug.com/photos/12321941-M.jpg

gus
Apr-03-2005, 01:16 PM
Heres your sea gull

http://wadjelaphotography.smugmug.com/photos/11909868-M.jpg

Stan
Apr-03-2005, 01:54 PM
Took this yesterday, not worth posting it in its own right so I put it in here

Stan
Apr-03-2005, 01:54 PM
Took this yesterday, not worth posting it in its own right so I put it in here

wxwax
Apr-03-2005, 02:07 PM
Very cool, Steve.

http://freezeframephotography.smugmug.com/photos/14396874-S.jpg

ginger_55
Apr-03-2005, 02:17 PM
Dixie and I spent most of yesterday afternoon shooting egrets, and you have decided that now you don't want them????

Geez.

ginger

I like the overexpose idea, but why doesn't the bird get blown?

ginger_55
Apr-03-2005, 02:27 PM
This was my entry in the tryptich challenge. A bird so common, and so commonly presented that it didn't even make the finals, but I like it. g

http://gingap.smugmug.com/photos/14177606-L.jpg

Andy
Apr-03-2005, 02:45 PM
Dixie and I spent most of yesterday afternoon shooting egrets, and you have decided that now you don't want them????

Geez.

ginger

I like the overexpose idea, but why doesn't the bird get blown?

i know. ain't i a stinkah? peeeeeeyooooooooooooooo!

:lol3

Steve Cavigliano
Apr-03-2005, 04:56 PM
Dixie and I spent most of yesterday afternoon shooting egrets, and you have decided that now you don't want them????

Geez.

ginger

Ginger,
You're a day late and an Egret short :lol Anyways, April is Porta-potty month. Did you and Dixie get any good potty shots yesterday? :lol4

Jus' kiddin' :wink You know we love Egrets and you can post em anytime :thumb But, as with anything else, posting the same old subjects can lead to a stagnant forum :huh So while I will always go out of my way to view a nice Egret, Heron, Crane, Stork, or Raptor shot, I am really enjoying this thread.

I really liked your gull triple header :thumb along with Troy's always interesting Gulls, Dave's tough exposure Vulture and Goose, Sam's Gull and most excellent Parrot shots, Stan's beautiful little bird, Thomas' very nice Mockingbirds, Sid's outstanding B&W gull, Ben's little sparrow amongst the green and red foliage, Jeff's reflecting Gulls and Commorants, Ian's Gull shots (especially the one from above), Allen's wonderfully detailed Mourning Doves, Ed's Gulls and brilliantly colored Ducks, PF's supersharp Grackle and Robin, Marloff's peaceful water scene with the Geese and Swan, Gus' carpet with a head and his Teradactyl shot:lol , Khaos' well exposed Red Winged Blackbird, Max's Cool bird shots, David's regal Swans, John's Gull ballet shots, and last but not least all those fine Gull shots that Andy started this thread off with :clap :clap :clap :clap Man, you guys and gals do some fine work :thumb

Steve

david_h
Apr-03-2005, 06:21 PM
Here's one more. My daughter and I went to Plum Island in Mass which is well known as a birding spot a few weeks ago. This was the only bird we saw......
http://djh.smugmug.com/photos/17267037-L.jpg

tmlphoto
Apr-03-2005, 07:01 PM
Very cool, Steve.

http://freezeframephotography.smugmug.com/photos/14396874-S.jpg
:bow

ian408
Apr-03-2005, 08:12 PM
Pigeons. Doing what they gotta do...

http://ian408.smugmug.com/photos/18873309-M.jpg

GREAPER
Apr-03-2005, 08:38 PM
How about Mr. and Mrs. Lesser Scaup?

http://dehmphoto.smugmug.com/photos/18719825-L.jpg

ginger_55
Apr-03-2005, 08:41 PM
Gosh, does anyone have a partridge in a pear tree?

ginger

good shots all.

pathfinder
Apr-03-2005, 09:24 PM
A female House Finch
http://pathfinder.smugmug.com/photos/18839455-L.jpg


Her other half - a male House Finch
http://pathfinder.smugmug.com/photos/18852085-L.jpg


A little sparrow in a Japanese Maple tree
http://pathfinder.smugmug.com/photos/18852078-L.jpg

All shot with a Canon 300mm lens and a Canon 2x telextender and a 20D

ginger_55
Apr-04-2005, 08:11 AM
I don't know what these birds are, but they were by our car where I was editing photos I had taken. They were eating red berries. ginger

http://gingerSnap.smugmug.com/photos/18905795-L.jpg


http://gingerSnap.smugmug.com/photos/18905803-L.jpg


Comments, help with identification, praise, anything you want to get off your chest, so to speak...........please.

ginger

Steve Cavigliano
Apr-04-2005, 09:14 AM
I don't know what these birds are, but they were by our car where I was editing photos I had taken. They were eating red berries. ginger
Comments, help with identification, praise, anything you want to get off your chest, so to speak...........please.

ginger
Nice ones Ginger :thumb :thumb They look like Cedar Waxwings to me :dunno Who definitely have a fondness for berries :D


Steve

Stan
Apr-04-2005, 02:22 PM
Gosh, does anyone have a partridge in a pear tree?

ginger

good shots all.
A partridge is a groung nesting bird and rarely seen in trees let alone pear trees, I can however do a Starling in a pear tree in the rain, so the light is horrible:rofl

OlgaJ
Apr-04-2005, 03:19 PM
I don't know what these birds are, but they were by our car where I was editing photos I had taken. They were eating red berries. Definitely Cedar Waxwings. That second one is a great capture. Beautiful!

Olga

OlgaJ
Apr-04-2005, 03:22 PM
A female grackle:

http://yiayia.smugmug.com/photos/18775738-L.jpg

Phil U.
Apr-04-2005, 03:58 PM
Common birds huh? Can't get more common than ducks and geese.



http://freezeframephotography.smugmug.com/photos/14396874-L.jpg



SteveSteve - this may be a common bird, but certainly not a common shot. This is MINT! :clap

JamesJWeg
Apr-04-2005, 04:11 PM
I'll play too.

HEAVY crop.
http://pics.jamesjweg.com/photos/18342223-M.jpg

The ugly one
http://pics.jamesjweg.com/photos/18342693-M.jpg

Where's the chow?
http://pics.jamesjweg.com/photos/18342672-M.jpg

James.

bfjr
Apr-04-2005, 05:15 PM
To con't with the common touch :D And yes Oh so common you'll want your Egrets back :lol

http://bfjr.smugmug.com/photos/18939646-M.jpg

http://bfjr.smugmug.com/photos/18939877-M.jpg

And just to remember our most common friend:lol4

http://bfjr.smugmug.com/photos/18940164-M.jpg

billw
Apr-07-2005, 07:53 PM
Hey! Quit pointing that thing at me!

http://billw.smugmug.com/photos/19032369-L.jpg

Make = Panasonic
Model = DMC-FZ20
Exposure Time = 1/400 sec
F-Stop = f/4.0
Exposure Program = Shutter priority
ISO Speed Ratings = 200
Date Time Digitized = 2005:04:03 13:04:01
Exposure Bias Value = 0.00
Max Aperture Value = f/2.8
Metering Mode = Pattern
Light Source = Cloudy weather
Focal Length = 72.0 mm (plus Raynox 1.54x TC)
Color Space = Uncalibrated
Exposure Mode = Auto
White Balance = Manual
Digital Zoom Ratio = 0.0
Focal Length in 35mm Film = 432
Scene Capture Type = Standard
Gain Control = Low Gain Up
Contrast = Normal
Saturation = Normal
Sharpness = Soft

Andy
Apr-09-2005, 05:02 PM
canon 20d, canon 200 f/1.8L... 1/6400th sec, f/1.8, iso 100

http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/19282376-L-0.jpg

lark
Apr-10-2005, 11:08 PM
[QUOTE=andy]canon 20d, canon 200 f/1.8L... 1/6400th sec, f/1.8, iso 100
QUOTE]

LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS! .......whoah!!!!



How long before you sell this one?

lark
Apr-10-2005, 11:10 PM
regular birds on the beach this morning..........our local winged rats.

lark
Apr-10-2005, 11:13 PM
a BIF

lark
Apr-10-2005, 11:15 PM
...and another

lark
Apr-10-2005, 11:17 PM
Bif #3

lark
Apr-10-2005, 11:18 PM
making the turn

lark
Apr-10-2005, 11:20 PM
...and finally resting

lark
Apr-10-2005, 11:21 PM
then there was this guy ...just watching it all...taking it in....

lark
Apr-10-2005, 11:22 PM
then there was this guy ...just watching it all...taking it in....

Thanks for looking :D :D

Andy
Apr-11-2005, 06:20 PM
lovely shots, denny - and everyone else who's participated in this thread :thumb

that night heron, he's kewl!

Andy
Apr-11-2005, 06:21 PM
from the baylands, palo alto, last week. 20d, 70-200 f/2.8L i.s. with 1.4x tc aboard.

http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/19464494-L.jpg

bfjr
Apr-12-2005, 08:37 AM
Nice one Andy, and all the have (con't too :D) contribute here. You folks are all so good, really not just sayin :lynnma.
So lets see some more, LURKERS WELCOME TO JOIN IN :cool

Here's some more:
Like the light here on face :D
http://bfjr.smugmug.com/photos/19371594-M.jpg

and the ever present gull
I like Andy's perspective better :D
http://bfjr.smugmug.com/photos/19508807-M.jpg

Jerry Curtis
Apr-12-2005, 05:12 PM
Bluejay on my back patio - shot thru dining room window (double pane), with the 1.7X tele converter on my V1. The streaks are snowflakes.

http://www.pbase.com/icicle50/image/38968223.jpg

Brown Boobie (yeah... that's right :wink ) wheeling above our cruise ship off the west coast of Mexico - normal 4X lens on V1:

http://www.pbase.com/icicle50/image/29024797.jpg

Seagull over Quidi Vidi Lake in St. John's - with just the normal 4X zoom on my V1:

http://www.pbase.com/icicle50/image/30076965.jpg

Evening Grosbeak at our backyard feeder. Not a common sighting here. (with 1.7X tele):

http://www.pbase.com/icicle50/image/39460185.jpg

Comments and criticizms always welcome.

bfjr
Apr-12-2005, 05:18 PM
Great contribution Jerry :thumb

But:


http://www.pbase.com/icicle50/image/29024797.jpg

A "Brown Boobie" :scratch:D I think he/she belongs in the snob section, or a thread of his own. :D
Thanks for sharing

John Mueller
Apr-12-2005, 05:28 PM
Fun post.
Ill add a couple more.
http://mhj.smugmug.com/photos/19210925-M.jpg

http://mhj.smugmug.com/photos/19445836-M.jpg

http://mhj.smugmug.com/photos/19445819-M.jpg

Jerry Curtis
Apr-12-2005, 05:34 PM
A "Brown Boobie" :scratch:D I think he/she belongs in the snob section, or a thread of his own. :D
Thanks for sharing
Yeahhh... maybe, but to a northerner, like me, he was just a "dressed-up" seagull :rofl

Some amazing bird shots in this post, folks. :clap Must be some heavy glass in the possession of some of you :wink

traunerk
Apr-12-2005, 07:05 PM
Grackles crack me up..:1drink

Regards...Keith

GREAPER
Apr-12-2005, 07:49 PM
Grackles crack me up..:1drink

Regards...Keith

Nice, I have been tryin to get a grackle for a while, they are tough to expose.

How about a Tufted titmouse?


http://dehmphoto.smugmug.com/photos/13575401-L.jpg

or a sparrow?

http://dehmphoto.smugmug.com/photos/8181856-M.jpg

traunerk
Apr-12-2005, 08:29 PM
I'll see your titmouse and sparrow and raise you by three wood ducks and a porcupine:D


Regards...Keithhttp://kt.smugmug.com/photos/19498827-M.jpg

bfjr
Apr-12-2005, 10:12 PM
I'll see your titmouse and sparrow and raise you by three wood ducks and a porcupine:D

hold up partner, I'll see your titmouse/sparrow/wood ducks/porcupine

and raise you

squirrel, 2 ducks, several pigeon & a tiny sparrow :D :lol4

http://bfjr.smugmug.com/photos/19566246-M.jpg

Puddlewalker
Apr-13-2005, 12:25 AM
hold up partner, I'll see your titmouse/sparrow/wood ducks/porcupine

and raise you

squirrel, 2 ducks, several pigeon & a tiny sparrow :D :lol4

Hope I don't screw up your poker hand -
Thought I would try to post a picture - first time.
Raven in Bryce Canyon.
http://puddlewalker.smugmug.com/photos/19494507-M.jpg
That was easy - maybe one more.

http://puddlewalker.smugmug.com/photos/19494508-M.jpg

I'm not Chicken - any more to post. (Wild Chicken in Kauai)
http://puddlewalker.smugmug.com/photos/19493023-M.jpg

gubbs
Apr-13-2005, 01:50 AM
A few repeats I'm afraid
Pigeons
http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/16789823-L.jpg

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5462138-L.jpg

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/4428544-L.jpg

gubbs
Apr-13-2005, 01:56 AM
and some swans
http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/4191672-L.jpg

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/14839363-L.jpg

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/4398519-L.jpg

bfjr
Apr-13-2005, 07:04 AM
this on rocks Gus :thumb

http://gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/14839363-L.jpg

GSPeP
Apr-13-2005, 08:41 AM
Caught these two seagulls in flight the day before yesterday. Lighting conditions weren't very good: just before sunset.

http://gspep.smugmug.com/photos/19519280-L.jpg

wxwax
Apr-13-2005, 08:53 AM
Gubbs, this is beautiful. Have you tried the Cletus method (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=2478) to lighten the head a wee bit?

http://gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/14839363-S.jpg

Prezwoodz
Apr-13-2005, 08:38 PM
Heres mine. Steller blue jays i believe :) They were eating our smores before we got to!!!

Khaos
Apr-13-2005, 09:01 PM
The late evening bird can still get a worm, so screw getting up early.


http://khaos.smugmug.com/photos/19636034-L.jpg

bfjr
Apr-24-2005, 05:09 AM
Like the colors in these shots, sooooooooo I thought I'd bump this thread one moooooorrrrrrreeeeeeee time :lol4. Hope you don't mind :D

http://bfjr.smugmug.com/photos/20335146-M.jpg

http://bfjr.smugmug.com/photos/20335040-M.jpg