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DoctorIt
Mar-15-2005, 05:55 PM
or should I call it floating notecard? (no PS beyond RAW conversion)

http://doctorit.smugmug.com/photos/17593562-M.jpg

i reckon this is my favorite of my three so far. fits the challenge for sure, but maybe some technical points are missing.. whaddya think?

rahmonster
Mar-15-2005, 06:04 PM
I like it alot. If it were me, I would make the card a little more yellow and the back ground a little more white, but that's just me.

Sandy
Mar-15-2005, 06:05 PM
I like it, try to add more contrast around the right edge.

tmlphoto
Mar-15-2005, 06:10 PM
Erik it cetainly is minimalistic, but not too evocative. I'm having the same problem. How to make find a minimalist shot that has enough present to elicit some kind of emotional response. I looked over your POTD gallery. Looks like your having a good time with the 10D. I'm glad it found a good home :D .

fish
Mar-15-2005, 06:57 PM
it's okay if ya like canary pee yeller rectangles. :dunno

Lucky Hack
Mar-15-2005, 08:27 PM
I like it because it's confident, mind you I don't think you'd win the popular vote in this forum, but it's confident and that counts for alot more than you'd think.
keep 'em commin' doc

hoping this message finds you well -Ian

ps. you didn't go art school by any chance?

landrum
Mar-15-2005, 08:57 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm really not getting much from this one. Your light source seems a bit hot, blowing out the top right corner (though you probably needed it to create the drop shadow). It is definately minimal, though! :D

adrian_k
Mar-16-2005, 12:38 AM
nice concept.
more (yellow) colour & landrum's right about your light source

I'm sorry, but I'm really not getting much from this one. Your light source seems a bit hot, blowing out the top right corner (though you probably needed it to create the drop shadow). It is definately minimal, though! :D

DoctorIt
Mar-16-2005, 04:05 AM
it's okay if ya like canary pee yeller rectangles. :dunnoi'll pick on fish cause I know he can take it, but this is the problem! Damn straight that yellow rectangles aren't exactly exciting, but this isn't emotions anymore, it's minimalism!?!

So landrum noticed the hot corner. Yeah, I thought about that, but if the light was all flat, it would be even more "boring", it added an interesting, minimal but strong diagonal to the photo. If I had two flashes I may have been able to control this better.

Wow. This is really frustrating. There's minimal, and popular-dgrin-minimal...

DoctorIt
Mar-16-2005, 04:06 AM
I'm sorry, but I'm really not getting much from this one. don't be sorry, you're not supposed to feel minimal art. that was the idea.

ginger_55
Mar-16-2005, 05:02 AM
ERik, I agree with all you say. This stuff is not exactly supposed to be heartbreaking. As I have said, the winner should be just a white empty triangle.

Other than that, I would like your entry choice if you could just relight it. All it would cost you is time. All of the minimalism I have seen that is a square of yellow or whatever color is that color all the way through. Yours is a different shade at one end than the other.

You could do a gazillion different lighting things and pick one that is even. It is just film.

ginger

DoctorIt
Mar-16-2005, 05:09 AM
ERik, I agree with all you say. This stuff is not exactly supposed to be heartbreaking. As I have said, the winner should be just a white empty triangle.

Other than that, I would like your entry choice if you could just relight it. All it would cost you is time. All of the minimalism I have seen that is a square of yellow or whatever color is that color all the way through. Yours is a different shade at one end than the other.

You could do a gazillion different lighting things and pick one that is even. It is just film.

gingerthanks ginger :D

I'm borrowing a second flash tonight, so I'll reshoot with some fill.

wxwax
Mar-16-2005, 05:33 AM
Erik, my take is that simply being minimal isn't enough. Be it the subject, the lighting, the setting or the color, there needs to be something visually intriguing about an image for it to be exciting. I reckon there's nothing intrinsically wrong with shooting a Post It note. The challenge (hey, a pun!) is in making it interesting. What's missing from your shot is that extra dimension that makes us stop and ponder. You've taken the first steps, by raising it and giving it a shadow and depth. It just needs more, that's all.

DoctorIt
Mar-16-2005, 08:18 AM
Erik, my take is that simply being minimal isn't enough. Be it the subject, the lighting, the setting or the color, there needs to be something visually intriguing about an image for it to be exciting. I reckon there's nothing intrinsically wrong with shooting a Post It note. The challenge (hey, a pun!) is in making it interesting. What's missing from your shot is that extra dimension that makes us stop and ponder. You've taken the first steps, by raising it and giving it a shadow and depth. It just needs more, that's all.Yeah.


Hmmm.... yeah. But here's the thing, my silhouette had more, I thought too much, and now there's like 5 silhouettes in the challenge. I think I'm starting to sound whiny, but it's just frustration. I may throw in the towel on this one and just go out with my new big gun and shoot birds.

:lol3

wxwax
Mar-16-2005, 08:22 AM
Yeah.


Hmmm.... yeah. But here's the thing, my silhouette had more, I thought too much, and now there's like 5 silhouettes in the challenge. I think I'm starting to sound whiny, but it's just frustration. I may throw in the towel on this one and just go out with my new big gun and shoot birds.

:lol3
:rofl :rofl

BTW, I didn't mean more silhouette, I meant more production value 'magic.' You know... the art thing. :evil

Charlie Brown
Mar-16-2005, 08:34 AM
perhaps a couple of stacks of post it! notes? like a red, blue, yellow, green stacked up kind of thing. perhaps you can have them fanning out? i dont know, i like your shot but like the waxinator said it needs a bit more. hey i dont like my shot that much, but ill probably enter it because it beats the rest of my shots. i think weve both got ideas floating arround in the haze of our brains, i just dont have the technical skill tht you do to pull it off.



charlie

ginger_55
Mar-16-2005, 03:43 PM
I don't think we are all going to have magic. I thought the idea was to do the best we each could, until we are satisfied. There are so many entries now, well, if I were only entering to win, I wouldn't bother.

I agree re the magic, I first mentioned hook. Then I thought I would be lucky if I just had an entry, a blank wall. I think this subject is one of the most difficult in which to find a hook, or magic.

However, I do think that one could find Erik's entry on a museum wall displayed as minimalism, along with other photos, of course.

ginger

DoctorIt
Mar-17-2005, 03:54 AM
I don't want to start another new thread, so I'll just put it up here (hopefully people will come back to look)...

I borrowed a second flash last night and set this up so that there was also a lamp casting a faint shadow to one diagonal, and the slave flash gave me a strong shadow in the opposite. I then played with flash ratios until I got enough fill vs shadow. I came up with this:

http://doctorit.smugmug.com/photos/17652929-M.jpg

Boy is that ever boring! So I decided to go down the more abstract road and I started to play around in PS. I was really hoping NOT to do this as you could essentially just create a minimal image starting from nothing in PS, so I just used levels and curves, and I got this:

http://doctorit.smugmug.com/photos/17652298-M.jpg

This I thought was kinda neat, and basically an accident that happened when I autoleveled after a set of curves. Why I like it: well, everyone didn't like the non-uniform background. Although I tried to fix that with fill, what I actually got was much better here, a beautiful diagonal gradient from blue to red.

So take a look and i'm mainly looking for what you like better: more realistic or abstract (first try or second try notecard... not post-it :D)?

lynnma
Mar-17-2005, 04:39 AM
I don't want to start another new thread, so I'll just put it up here (hopefully people will come back to look)...

I borrowed a second flash last night and set this up so that there was also a lamp casting a faint shadow to one diagonal, and the slave flash gave me a strong shadow in the opposite. I then played with flash ratios until I got enough fill vs shadow. I came up with this:



Boy is that ever boring! So I decided to go down the more abstract road and I started to play around in PS. I was really hoping NOT to do this as you could essentially just create a minimal image starting from nothing in PS, so I just used levels and curves, and I got this:



This I thought was kinda neat, and basically an accident that happened when I autoleveled after a set of curves. Why I like it: well, everyone didn't like the non-uniform background. Although I tried to fix that with fill, what I actually got was much better here, a beautiful diagonal gradient from blue to red.

So take a look and i'm mainly looking for what you like better: more realistic or abstract (first try or second try notecard... not post-it :D)?Erik.. I like this last one you've done.. the accidental one. It confuses me a bit (don't take much) like I focus on the yellow, then shift to the red, etc.. I like the way the focus changes from real sharp to fade to fade more, I also like the slight distortion of the red behind the sharp angles of the yellow..
I like it..:D

DoctorIt
Mar-17-2005, 05:08 AM
Erik.. I like this last one you've done.. the accidental one. It confuses me a bit (don't take much) like I focus on the yellow, then shift to the red, etc.. I like the way the focus changes from real sharp to fade to fade more, I also like the slight distortion of the red behind the sharp angles of the yellow..
I like it..:Dthe red and blue are both shadows, hence the distortion, of the "floating" yellow notecard. Thanks Lynn, I'm leaning towards this one too. Minimal, yet confusing and abstract.

digital faerie
Mar-17-2005, 05:10 AM
Erik.. I like this last one you've done.. the accidental one. It confuses me a bit (don't take much) like I focus on the yellow, then shift to the red, etc.. I like the way the focus changes from real sharp to fade to fade more, I also like the slight distortion of the red behind the sharp angles of the yellow..
I like it..:D
I like this one better.....but there's only one thing that bothers me. the blue shadow is more "reflective" of the yellow shape, while the red is skewed.....if they were both skewed, or if they were both "geometrically replicative" then I'd think it would be stronger.

but then again, that's just me. :dunno

DoctorIt
Mar-17-2005, 05:16 AM
I like this one better.....but there's only one thing that bothers me. the blue shadow is more "reflective" of the yellow shape, while the red is skewed.....if they were both skewed, or if they were both "geometrically replicative" then I'd think it would be stronger.

but then again, that's just me. :dunnoi messed with both my light sources for a long time. it wasn't happening. and after my precise photo earlier was kinda shot down, i figured half skewed and half not was more up the abstract alley.

where's that smiley again... a ha: :deadhorse

wxwax
Mar-17-2005, 06:08 AM
I kinda like the last one, Erik, with the yellow, red and blue. I like the feeling that the cards are floating.

landrum
Mar-17-2005, 07:56 AM
I like the last one. The red shadow being skewed did bother me at first, but after looking at it a while I think it's okay. I like how the blue shadow is blurred the most, giving distance. :thumb

4labs
Mar-17-2005, 11:04 AM
glad you didn't end up scrapping the challenge I like the last one..

DoctorIt
Mar-18-2005, 06:41 AM
this post is more for me, but in case anyone comes back to this old thing, I've made one last adjustment. I didn't like the noise, so I downloaded the neat image plugin demo. this is just on the default settings, and definitely an improvement. if I have time, i'll try to optimize.

original:
http://doctorit.smugmug.com/photos/17705698-L.jpg

after Neat Image:
http://doctorit.smugmug.com/photos/17705984-L.jpg

Charlie Brown
Mar-18-2005, 07:48 AM
i like this last cleaned up image more than the others. i think youre on the right track.

wxwax
Mar-18-2005, 09:18 AM
Yeah, I see the difference and it looks good, dr.

Shakey
Mar-18-2005, 09:22 AM
better clean :thumb

Tim

Jenny
Mar-19-2005, 09:29 AM
You've got my vote! This is great! I am so frustrated with this challenge...2 days to go and I still have nothing but a bunch of shots I hate. :splat This is the most interesting use of minimalism I've seen so far. Great job!:super

Mitchell
Mar-19-2005, 10:09 AM
The last one gets my vote. That really cleaned up nicely.


mitch

mel
Mar-19-2005, 11:54 AM
The last one gets my vote. That really cleaned up nicely.


mitch

MmmHmm. What he said. :cool

mel