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mercphoto
Mar-09-2005, 10:48 AM
I tend to agree with the people who run Smugmug that uprezzing an image is not necessary when sending prints to a lab like Smugmug. Maybe it is when making big prints at home, I don't know because I don't do it. But I know the common way to uprez is with Bicubic Smoother, going up 10% at a time. I was wondering, due to the nature of binary arithmetic, if going up 12.5% at a time would actually be better? Or is the inherint round-off error of a multi-step algorithm part of the pleasing effect (rather than doing the upsample all in one step)?

cletus
Mar-09-2005, 06:24 PM
I tend to agree with the people who run Smugmug that uprezzing an image is not necessary when sending prints to a lab like Smugmug. Maybe it is when making big prints at home, I don't know because I don't do it. But I know the common way to uprez is with Bicubic Smoother, going up 10% at a time. I was wondering, due to the nature of binary arithmetic, if going up 12.5% at a time would actually be better? Or is the inherint round-off error of a multi-step algorithm part of the pleasing effect (rather than doing the upsample all in one step)?
Bill,

:dunno



Anyone picked up any good image processing algorithm books lately?

ridetwistyroads
Mar-10-2005, 11:01 AM
All of that either went WAY over my head :bow, or way under. :scratch

Shay Stephens
Mar-10-2005, 11:13 AM
I think the whole stair step process is bogus. I have yet to be able to see a difference between regular old bicubic resampling and all the other fancy shmancy* hoop jumping techniques *in a printed photo*. So in my mind, it's all a waste of time, and the extra steps are just there to make you think you are doing a more workmanly job.

The only time I need to upsample anything is when I am swapping heads on people and the head is too small for the body by a little bit (or similar scaling problems). All the big prints I send out are all sent native resolution, no matter how big I print.


*Fancy shmancy is a term I only pull out when I am rather worked up, uptight and outta sight on a subject. You will have to pardon me :wink

mercphoto
Mar-10-2005, 11:17 AM
All of that either went WAY over my head :bow, or way under. :scratch

Very briefly, even though one-tenth is a rational number in the decimal world, one-tenth is irrational in the binary world. You cannot exactly represent one-tenth, the best you can do is approximate it. But you can exactly represent one-eighth in the binary world, it is "0.001". One-eighth is 12.5%.

mercphoto
Mar-10-2005, 11:29 AM
I think the whole stair step process is bogus.

I figured as much. They touted this process as an absolute necessity at a Rocky Mountain School fo Photography weekend I went through. I kinda got the feeling that it was a left-over from the days of 1 and 2 MP cameras. That at today's resolution it was completely unnecessary.

Shay Stephens
Mar-10-2005, 11:50 AM
Bingo! :thumb

I figured as much. They touted this process as an absolute necessity at a Rocky Mountain School fo Photography weekend I went through. I kinda got the feeling that it was a left-over from the days of 1 and 2 MP cameras. That at today's resolution it was completely unnecessary.