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Nikolai
Oct-14-2007, 11:16 AM
We have already trained on the indoor lighting with Ken and using natural light and mind tricks to get a good portrait with Yuri. Now it's time to get the whole story.

This month we're going to try to be our own PJ (photo journalist). It's refreshing, challenging and a lots of fun. Sure, it sounds scary, but have no fear for we have a guide: John "Rutt" Ruttenberg hisself! :bow

He'll share his knowledge, his vision and his experience on how to make this possible and, actually, rather interesting. Word of advice: you may become addicted... :wink

To graduate from this class, you must come out with a full-featured story published here at dgrin. For the extra credit I would try to get it published in the local newspaper (or, what the heck, Times would do, too:-). Afterwards, that's how I myself ended up being enlisted as a stringer with a local newspaper.

And now, it's up to you and Rutt to see if you can go out and get the story!
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About Rutt:


Name: John Ruttenberg
Location: Boston, MA
Occupation: computer programmer


John Ruttenberg has been a member of and frequent contributor to dgrin and a
customer of smugmug almost since their beginnings. He is a moderator of Dan
Margulis' Color Theory discussion group, and was a beta-reader of Dan's
Professional Photoshop, 5th edition. He has a contract as a photographer for
Boston Ballet which has used his work for it's stock archive and for publicity
releases. He is the winner of a Fred Miranda Monthly Assignment ("Candid")
and has had seven Kodak Pictures of the Day (but never managed to win a dgrin
challenge in spite of being a finalist numerous times.)

In spite of being a passionate photographer, John has has a day job as a
computer programmer. But even so, he is an all around good guy.

rutt
Oct-14-2007, 11:19 AM
This month's assignment is about going out with your camera and shooting a story. Professional photojournalists do this every day to put bread on the table. But you don't have to be a professional to get started with this. I've done it plenty, had a blast, and learned a lot about photography and more importantly about what's going on all the time around me.

Photojournalism has always been an inspiration to me. At its very best, it's at once the most difficult and powerful off all forms of photography.

My favorite photograph of all time. (http://www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=Mod_ViewBox.ViewBoxZoom_VPage&VBID=2K1HZOQEWQIPU&IT=ImageZoom01&PN=10&STM=T&DTTM=Image&SP=Search&IID=2S5RYDY2BDXQ&SAKL=T&SGBT=T&DT=Image) (I wish I could show it inline, but due to copyright restrictions you'll have to follow the link.)

With apologies to nature photographers and others who think that what they do is difficult, I think this is an example of the very most challenging form of photography. There was only one chance to get this shot. Gandhi won't die again. Getting to the front of that huge crowd that attended the funeral was a big deal. It documents a pivotal moment in 20th century history, shows Nehru's despair just from his body language. And all with such interesting and powerful composition. Well, I hope you'll agree that it's a special picture.

Photojournalism can have a profound impact on both society and on the photographer himself. Think of how the Vietnam war photography helped to change the world's perceptions of that conflict. Think of the influence of photography on the civil rights movement. Again, I don't want to violate anyone's copyright, but just search on google images for such pharses as Vietnam war, civil rights, Berlin wall, Iraq war, &etc.

This month's assignment doesn't require you to travel back in time, go to India, get to the front of that huge crowd, crawl on the ground in front of the funeral pyre, and get that shot with a manual film camera. But it does require that you think about taking pictures in a special way. Don't look for single great shots out of context (though great shots are always great!) Think about the story that is unfolding before you. How are you going to tell it? How are you going to share it with others?

rutt
Oct-14-2007, 11:20 AM
http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/41947728-M.jpg
A Getty Images stringer covers a production of
The Laramie Project at Newton South High School,
22 October 2005

To get started, you need to pick a story to cover. There is a huge range here from large scale and public to personal. Be aware of what's going on in your life and community.

Look at the local papers on Thursday and Friday. Is there anything going on in your town? Talk to the people you know and ask them. Here are some things I've heard about recently which I think would make good opportunities:


A dog show
Hang gliding intro classes
Ballroom dancing competition
Tall ships in the Boston harbor
High school sports (best if you have a child involved so people feel comfortable with you.)
Baseball playoff series
Weekly antiwar demonstration
Town meeting
Moving a house
Renaissance fair
Country fair (4H competitions, perhaps?)


I like to think of these outings as fun adventures. I want to learn, see something happen, get out and get our of my rut (don't you know.) I've gotten my best shots and had the most fun when I didn't really know what to expect or when my expectations turned out to be wrong.

rutt
Oct-14-2007, 11:22 AM
http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/42397240-M.jpg
Protesting Rev. James. Dobson in Boston, 22 October 2005

You are going as a photojournalist, but you have no press card. You are afraid people are going to challenge your right to take their pictures. Maybe you'll get into some sort of legal trouble?

The short answer is, no, you can't get into legal trouble unless you are trespassing or surpassingly stupid and rude. And even then... There are no laws in the US against Paparazzi. The famous NY photojournalist, Weegee, gave these guidelines and as far as I know they still hold:

On news stories, neither permissions nor releases are needed except when photographs are used to advertise commercial products. Pictures of houses or buildings can be published without consent of the owner, but if a man objects to your taking a picture of his property, he can order you and your camera off it -- that's trespassing -- but he cannot stop you from taking a picture providing you are standing on the street or sidewalk which is public property and belongs to everyone.

The long answer is that really you don't want any kind of trouble. That's not the point of the exercise. I like to have a good time and I like to have the people I shoot feel good about it (if they care at all.)

I was just watching a baseball playoff game on Fox TV, and couldn't help but notice the numerous candid shots of people in the crowd, especially children (very cute children.) Apparently, the network's lawyers don't think permissions or releases are required even for this basically commercial situation. Take notice next time you watch live coverage of a public event on TV.

So here is a list of guidelines to keep things positive:

People participating at public events (dog shows, athletic competitions, political protests) are almost always glad to have their pictures taken. They are there to publicize themselves, their causes, &etc. In fact, the worst thing you can do in this case is NOT to get their names right. So bring along a notepad and do try to get this right.
I have often been asked "What are you going to do with these pictures" or "Are you shooting for a newspaper." And I have often answered that I am a student of photography and I am shooting for a course assignment. Sometimes when I have said this it was a a little bit of a stretch, but for this month it is 100% true. You are a student of photojournalism and you are shooting for a course assignment.
If you have one, a photographer's business card is incredibly valuable in these situations. It will completely defuse all but the most unreasonable people.
The presence of professional photojournalists is a green light to shoot at will. If they are there, you have found a public event and have joined the press corps. People may ask who you are shooting for, but it will be a friendly question, asked out of professional curiosity. Nobody will question your right to shoot if you blend are in the company of the press.

rutt
Oct-14-2007, 11:23 AM
There are two important questions to ask yourself before you go out on assignment:


Will it be dark? Inside or outside? Day or night?
How close will I be allowed to work? How far back can I get?


Should you use a flash? I was going to say that I have never used a flash for these personal PJ outings, but looking back at some of my older shots, I found that isn't true. I used a flash to shoot inside Newton city hall to get this:

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/4303442-M.jpg
17 May 2004, Same-sex marriage becomes legal in Massachusetts.
Maureen Brodoff and Ellen Wade, plaintiffs in the landmark Goodridge Case, sign their marriage license.

In fact, it worked well. It helped that I was only one of a number of photographers using a flash at a very public event.

These days, I try to avoid using a flash if at all possible. Shooting without a flash lessens your impact on the scene you are shooting. Ideally, you'll be invisible so that the scene will play out as if you weren't there at all. And shooting without a flash gives you one less thing to worry about, so you can concentrate on what's actually happening.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/41947610-M.jpg
Students hand out yellow ribbons at a production
of The Laramie Project at Newton South High School.
22 October 2005

I've had great luck with a fast 50mm lens and Canon 5D, a combo that works in all but the darkest situations and is about as wide as, say, a 35mm on a 1.6 crop factor camera such as a Canon 40D. F/1.4 50mm lenses are much less expensive and smaller than other fast lenses and really are a great investment. The more you use one of these lenses, the more you will like it, I predict.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/44187978-M.jpg
Participants at a Professional Eating Contest,Boston, 11 November 2005

Using a wide lens increases the chances of getting the crucial shot. You can always crop, but what if the scene you want to catch is wider than your lens can capture? And often it will be wide. Many of the best PJ images show context, people responding to one another. You'll miss that with a longer lens.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/65822560-M.jpg
Jane Goodall speaking on Earth Day at the Frankln Zoo,
Boston, 22 April 2006

Of course, these are just suggestions and different situations may call for very different approaches. For example, if you are shooting a famous speaker, you may want a longer lens to capture portrait. In bright daylight, you won't need a fast lens and your favorite widish zoom may work just fine. So try to think it through before you go. Your guesses will improve with experience.

rutt
Oct-14-2007, 11:24 AM
Do yourself a favor. Go out and buy The New York Times each morning for a week. Look at the pictures they use. Most days you'll find at least a half dozen wonderful examples of fine photojournalism. Today (8 October 2007), there is a striking picture from a Swiss political demonstration on the front page and quite an amazing picture from a memorial service in Moscow on page A3. And that doesn't even count the sports or style pages which are usually rich sources of good images. What can you use in your own shots. Think about what went into the shots.

Don't be daunted. That's a high mark to hit. So I am going to tell the story of how I got into this and use my own work to show how much involved I became with this kind of photography. But I am by no means the only person on dgrin who has worked on photojournalism. And my work is by no means the best photojournalism I've seen on dgrin. Just search of "political" or "candidate" or "protest" and you'll find plenty. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

So, please if you have examples you are particularly proud of or that illustrate important points, PM me and I'll edit them into this very post so they will be easy to find and differentiate from people's coursework.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5019072-M.jpg
Safe at Third, Pivotal Play in Newton Little League
10 June 2004

I got started doing this by taking pictures at my son's little league games. At first I was just trying to get a few good shots. Then I started to try to get at least one good shot of each kid. But then my goals evolved and I wanted to tell the story of the game in pictures and words:

Comebak! (http://dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=1624)

This was very hard. Baseball photography is demanding. Nothing happens for a long time and then there is a lot of action fast. The great shots can be anywhere in a rather large area. A whole game may really have only a few good moments of action. Big league games are covered by multiple photographers and the sports journalists draw from a large number of shots to get just the ones they need to illustrate the game. So, sometimes, my stories were not "the whole truth and nothing but the truth" as I needed to fit them to the pictures I actually had.

Then there was a genuine news story in my town. Massachusetts legalized same-sex marriage. So I took my camera to town hall on the first day when same-sex couples were allowed to get marriage licenses.

First Day of Same Sex Marriage Licenses in Newton, MA (http://rutt.smugmug.com/gallery/119862)

I figured this was an opportunity to capture something unique, something that was only going to happen once. And it was just a few minutes from my house. I took my camera with flash attached and just went. There where plenty of pros there and I learned from watching them. There was no requirement that I have some sort of credentials.

Subsequently, I decided to follow up on this and shoot the first same-sex wedding in Newton. That led to this outing:

The Accidental Wedding Photographer (http://dgrin.com/showthread.php)

This turned into a true mixed metaphor. I ended up being more of a wedding photographer (albeit a lousy one) than a photojournalist while I was there, but afterwards I pulled what I had together into a story which (to be honest) was more about me than anything else. Still it was a story and I told it with pictures.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/33081634-M.jpg
Judging the Demolition Derby,
Nantucket, 22 August 2005

After that, I was an addict. I'd study the local newspapers and bulletin boards looking for events to cover:


My favorite Nantucket weekend (http://dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=17135)
Protest outside the Tremont Temple Babtist Church while James Dobson spoke inside (http://rutt.smugmug.com/gallery/927196) Buffalo Wing Eating Championship (http://rutt.smugmug.com/gallery/960741)
No Show, The Laramie Project at Newton South Highshool (http://rutt.smugmug.com/gallery/919465) Boston Marathon Winners (http://dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=9968)
Operation Rescue at Planned Parenthood (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=27248)


One I got into the right frame of mind, I often happened upon good stories:


Monster from the Black Lagoon (http://dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=2186)
Antiwar protest in Newton, 3 March 2005 (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=7328)
Antiwar protesters again, 14 October 2005 (http://dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=20415) Minor Bird, Unexpected Music Under the Bridge, 11 April 2005 (http://dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=9597)


With the right attitude, there are feature opportunities everywhere. One day, I had to go to the Apple Store and I knew I'd have to wait a long time. So I brought my camera to keep myself entertained, asked permission to shoot while I wanted, and produced this:

Waiting for the Genius (http://rutt.smugmug.com/gallery/869730)

rutt
Oct-14-2007, 11:26 AM
Controversy Good photojournalism is thought provoking and can spark heated debate. That's a good thing. But the main point of this particular M.A. is to learn, practice, and improve in the vocabulary of photographic story telling. We'd like not to get distracted into political ranting, at least not here. So I am making a policy:

If it's your story, you should say what you want to say, even if it's controversial.
In this thread, commentary on other people's stories should be limited to technical points. How could the pictures have been better. How could the story have been told more effectively. What worked and what didn't.
If someone else's story gets your juices flowing and you find that you must comment on the content, feel free to do so. But suck it up and don't do it here. You have various options for this, in particular, a personal blog, a separate thread, perhaps in the Wide Angle forum (but the moderators will moderate it, no doubt.) Go ahead and add a link to such discussions here so people can find them. But leave it there.


Learning on Assignment Keep an open mind when you go out to shoot. What you find won't necessarily be what you expected to find. The story you wanted may not be there. But perhaps another different story is.

Respect your subjects, even if you disagree with them When I went to Planned Parenthood to find the Operation Rescue people (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=27248), I was expecting to find anger and indignation. That might have been there 10 years ago, but it just wasn't there anymore. It had faded through the years and been replaced with a kind of religious persistence. This might not have made for as good a photographic opportunity, but it made for its own story. I'm glad I met these people. I don't agree with them. But I feel I understand them and their point of view a little better. If you try to understand to get inside of your subjects' heads, you'll take better pictures.

rutt
Oct-14-2007, 11:26 AM
To be honest, work has been a distraction this last year and I'm rusty. So let's take a first simple step together. We'll each pick a local event (the more local the better.) Is there a controversy of some sort in your town? In my town there is a controversy about dogs without leashes in the public parks. Twice a day, the dog owners congregate in a field and let their dogs off the leash. I'm going to bring my camera and notepad and get their side of the story. No big deal. It happens every day. The dog run is just an example, but look for a simple nonthreatening situation where you won't feel uncomfortable and where it's likely that people will know you.

Now try to tell the story in just a few pictures and words. Be straightforward. When you are shooting try to think about how the shots will tell the story. Try to be open to what is really happening instead of just seeing what you expect. Your story will be better if you learn something while covering it and manage to convey it.

When you are done try to think about telling the story efficiently, with your best shots and just a few words. People should be able to glance at the shots, skim the captions, and know what was going on. I'm going out today to do this. Let's see what we can do.

Nikolai
Oct-17-2007, 02:40 PM
Looks like getting out with the agenda in mind is too much of a task :wink

rutt
Oct-19-2007, 07:06 AM
Yes, it's hard to get started doing this. I did go to the dog run and got some shots and interviewed some people. Unfortunately:


I think I aimed too low. There really was no drama. The dog owners were there, but nobody who disagreed with them. So all in all there wasn't much story there.
I've had multiple infrastructure disasters and I couldn't get the shots online until Tuesday earliest if I wanted to.


There is a lot more potential for the coming weekend, and I'm going to be trying:


Head of the Charles Regatta
Pennant series returns to Boston
Son home from college wants to climb mountain in Southern New Hampshire
On Tuesday, new puppy comes home.

Nikolai
Oct-19-2007, 09:59 AM
Oops, sorry about that, John! :cry
Oh well, looks like you have a plan to get something else. :thumb

Come on guys, I can't beleive only Boston has something to offer for an aspiring photographer :wink

Antonio Correia
Oct-19-2007, 10:44 AM
When Nikolai announces an assignment I - most of the times - read it at 100 miles/hour and post errors or, less suitable pictures.:cry

At this moment of the day - late afternoon, dinner time - I won't have the time to read all the post because it is a long one.

This time (?) I was going to read the hole of it. :scratch Am I ?

Tomorrow I am going to Estoril to the World Series (http://www.estorilcoast-tourism.com/en/S101/TemplateV/mp3.aspx?ResourceID=1691) .

I am going to shoot a great amount of pictures and, after reading the post, I hope to be able to show you my story.

:thumb

Nikolai
Oct-19-2007, 11:29 AM
When Nikolai announces an assignment I - most of the times - read it at 100 miles/hour...
Here's a hint: pour yourself a glass of a good port (yum!) and read sloooooowly :-) :wink

Antonio Correia
Oct-19-2007, 11:52 AM
Here's a hint: pour yourself a glass of a good port (yum!) and read sloooooowly :-) :wink

I rather drink Moscatel from Setúbal than Port from Porto...
:D

Nikolai
Oct-19-2007, 01:52 PM
I rather drink Moscatel from Setúbal than Port from Porto...
:D
You lucky dog you... Portuguese wines happen to be my favorite: port, muscat, jerez, amontillado... :deal

kenlyne
Oct-19-2007, 02:41 PM
Oops, sorry about that, John! :cry
Oh well, looks like you have a plan to get something else. :thumb

Come on guys, I can't beleive only Boston has something to offer for an aspiring photographer :wink

I would love to join in on this assignment if I may?? Just came out of lurkdom for LPS#13 and have not done either of the previous two assignments--is it all right if I start in here?? :dunno

Nikolai
Oct-19-2007, 03:17 PM
I would love to join in on this assignment if I may?? Just came out of lurkdom for LPS#13 and have not done either of the previous two assignments--is it all right if I start in here?? :dunno
Absolutely! It would be pretty outrageous requirement for any public forum to request the prior participation:-)
So, please, don't worry and start now! :thumb
BTW, Weekly Assignments also do not require any former participation:-) :wink

Antonio Correia
Oct-20-2007, 01:09 PM
Let's see if I do everything right.:D
The story is about my 3 hours visit to the Word Series in Estoril (http://www.estorilcoast-tourism.com/en/S101/TemplateV/mp3.aspx?ResourceID=1691).

Racing cars under rather harsh light.
May be breaking too late can cause this effect. And everybody was watching.
1. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210515353-L.jpg
And a large crop to show the effect
2. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210514492-L.jpg
I got a nice panning shot
3. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210513977-L.jpg
There was some photographers standing by. As a matter of fact the Nikon guy is who came along with me ...
4 http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210512972-L.jpg
With good positions and big lens
5. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210515692-L.jpg
While others pose for the shot before the race begins
6. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210522617-L.jpg
The public waiting for the training race
7. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210513529-L.jpg
Some technicians take their time...
8. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210511276-L.jpg
While the security stands by
9. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210521977-L.jpg
There was some amusements for the people.
10. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210521072-L.jpg 11. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210514877-L.jpg
and even a band was playing around (they had the sound like Blood Sweat and Tears or Chicago)
12. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210517462-L.jpg 13. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210509661-L.jpg
Old cars no to be touched
14. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210519976-L.jpg
because there was some eyes watching you
15. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210506404-L.jpg
But a door could always be opened
16. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210522214-L.jpg
to go and have a look at the paddocks
17. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210520731-L.jpg 18. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210523474-L.jpg 19. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210510608-L.jpg
There was also some very young people around
20. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210507146-L.jpg 21. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210509161-L-1.jpg
And finally the access tunnel under the racing road
22. http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/210519092-L.jpg

This photo itself (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=661838#post661838) is not a must and I am sorry for it.

Nikolai
Oct-20-2007, 02:20 PM
Thank you for going out and shooting!
I'm sure John will provide more thoughts on this, I'll just pitch in ...
The "technicians take thier time" shot is hilarious (US race tracks are slightly more explicit in this sense :lol3)

I really like the bass player shot :deal :thumb

And I have already commented on the last one separately :wink

Antonio Correia
Oct-20-2007, 02:27 PM
Thank you for going out and shooting!
I'm sure John will provide more thoughts on this, I'll just pitch in ...
The "technicians take thier time" shot is hilarious (US race tracks are slightly more explicit in this sense :lol3)

I really like the bass player shot :deal :thumb

And I have already commented on the last one separately :wink

I don't know if inside it was a techninian or a pilot ! :rofl
Anyway, it was a nice position to be: in the lap of the girl ! :wink

MooreDriven
Oct-25-2007, 07:07 PM
Here is my submission for this assignment. I enjoy long distance motorcycle riding. I like to combine it with my photography. This submission is about my trip last weekend through northern Arkansas.

A link to the blog: Touring by Motorcycle in Arkansas (http://mooredriven.blogspot.com/)

Links to the photo gallery: Mooredriven SmugMug (http://MooreDriven.smugmug.com/gallery/3709978/1/212768511)

Note: There is another story regarding my trip this past July through the Grand Teton's, Yellowstone, and the Black Hills of South Dakota. Feel free to read it as well, but it is not part of this submission.

Thanks,
Dale

Nikolai
Oct-26-2007, 12:32 AM
Here is my submission for this assignment. I enjoy long distance motorcycle riding. I like to combine it with my photography. This submission is about my trip last weekend through northern Arkansas.

A link to the blog: Touring by Motorcycle in Arkansas (http://mooredriven.blogspot.com/)

Links to the photo gallery: Mooredriven SmugMug (http://MooreDriven.smugmug.com/gallery/3709978/1/212768511)

Note: There is another story regarding my trip this past July through the Grand Teton's, Yellowstone, and the Black Hills of South Dakota. Feel free to read it as well, but it is not part of this submission.

Thanks,
Dale

Dale,
it looks like you had a great trip and tok some very nice pictures! :thumb

However, I don't think this is the story we were looking for in this Class. :dunno

Here's the acid test for you: do you think your blog article as a whole or your gallery as a whole would be printed as is in your local weekly newspaper? I honestly don't think so, unless you're editor-in-chief's buddy:-).
Please read the lead posts of this assignment carefully. :deal

MooreDriven
Oct-26-2007, 07:38 AM
Here's the acid test for you: do you think your blog article as a whole or your gallery as a whole would be printed as is in your local weekly newspaper? I honestly don't think so, unless you're editor-in-chief's buddy:-). I guess this depends on your point of view. I currently read several motorcycling magazines like, Rider, BMW Owners Network and Ride Texas, which feature articles every month from their members. Would my blog be published, maybe, maybe not. Maybe it needs to be polished before being published, but I felt it met the criteria of the assignment. Otherwise I would not have posted it!

Please read the lead posts of this assignment carefully. :deal I thought I understood the requirements, but maybe I missed something. Here are some of the quotes from Rutt with the guidelines.

the main point of this particular M.A. is to learn, practice, and improve in the vocabulary of photographic story telling. I guess I need improvement based on your feedback.

Now try to tell the story in just a few pictures and words. Be straightforward. When you are shooting try to think about how the shots will tell the story. Try to be open to what is really happening instead of just seeing what you expect. Your story will be better if you learn something while covering it and manage to convey it.

When you are done try to think about telling the story efficiently, with your best shots and just a few words. People should be able to glance at the shots, skim the captions, and know what was going on. Maybe you were expecting a controversial topic? If the story does not cause a debate does that make it any less "photojournalistic".

Sorry to be so defensive. Maybe I'm just being hard headed.

Nikolai
Oct-26-2007, 10:09 AM
Dale,

I can be totally wrong, but here's what I thought when we were planning this with Rutt (and John can have a totally different line of thoughts, too :rofl ).

The idea was to take maybe a special niche (like a motorcycle ride), yet make a story for a general public. Pleasing specialty crowd is easy, because they are eager to accept anything from that area, and then some. General audience, OTOH, will lose interest on the first paragraph if it feels too "special", and hence, "boring".

Just my thoughts...

rutt
Oct-27-2007, 06:37 AM
Dale:

Some really nice shots, and it sounds like a great trip. But I couldn't finish the story. It was just too long and repetitive. Count the number of times you used "twists and turns" for example. A good editor would cut this narrative to just a handful of sentences, maybe add a map with some points of interest marked, and it wouldn't lose anything and be better for it. This would also make a better blog entry.

I really missed some shots of "us", the motorcycle riders who made the trip on or with their bikes with those big smiles on their faces. You were getting there with that road with the switchback.

Is there one shot here that you would use to sum up the whole trip? If it were a newspaper article, what would you put at the top of the column?

I can see there is some great scenery. But I want more variation in the kinds of shots. I think one shot of the participants, the inside of the drugstore, and maybe two very different drop dead landscape shots. Caption those shots. Add a map. And then pull it all together with just a few words about what a great place it is to ride and the time of year, &etc. Then people will actually read the whole thing.

rutt
Oct-27-2007, 06:44 AM
Antonio:

Great pix, but what's the story? I want a plot of some sort. Did you find out something you didn't know beforehand? Was there suspense about who would win the race? Did you get to meet any of the participants? The people you did shoot, did you talk to them? What was their story?

Pull it together somehow into a whole. As I said to Dale, less is more here. You want to cull your shots down to just what you need to tell the story.

Here's a suggestion. Write the story first without the shots. Then pick out maybe 4 shots to illustrate what you wrote. That's probably the opposite of what you are used to.

rutt
Oct-27-2007, 08:03 PM
http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/213612101-M.jpg[

Mt. Monadnock in southern New Hampshire is the most climbed mountain in the Northeast U.S. In fact, it attracts about 125,000 climbers a year. Only Mt. Fuji logs more climbs to the summit (about 200,000).

My son, Robert, came home from college for a long weekend and said to me, "Dad, I want to hike up a mountain. Maybe Monadnock?" Sounded good to me. So we drove up there on a beautiful October afternoon.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/213611798-M.jpg

And guess what? There were a lot of people climbing it. Robert said it was more of a "pilgrimage than a hike."

I was surprised how rugged the trail was given the number of visitors and their average age and fitness. We scrabbled over piles of boulders most of the way up and down. Most often overheard quote: "Think Grandma should turn around?" "Naw, she might as well just go on up." We New Englanders are a hardy crew.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/213722966-M.jpg

OK, it was crowded. But there was a reason. What a great 100 mile view from the top!

rutt
Oct-28-2007, 05:35 AM
Not my best work for sure. But that isn't really the point. I went out to "get the story" of this climb. What I found wasn't exactly what I expected. So I centered the story around three points:

There were even more people there than I expected,
The climb was quite a bit more rugged than I expected, and
The view was beautiful so it was worth it anyway.

From the shots I did have, I chose the ones that best supported this story.
I had some better shots and I really wanted to use them, but I didn't see how without complicating the story. Let's face it, there wasn't that much to this story, so brevity in the telling is essential. Adding details without making the story more interesting risks turning it into a shaggy dog story.

Perhaps the most admirable quality of working photojournalists is that they bring home the shots that tell the story they were sent to cover. Sometimes these are spectacular; sometimes not. But they are always better for the context of the story they tell.

Antonio Correia
Oct-28-2007, 06:38 AM
A friend of mines, invited me to go and meet him.
He was with some more people who owned old cars.
http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/213478542-M.jpg
He was very happy to be there with his old VW
http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/213444412-M.jpg
But there was other older cars. This one for example.
I remember my father had one. It was green and I even now I remember it's licence number.
http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/213549905-M.jpg
But there was more interestind cars to show.
http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/213498634-M.jpg
With beautifull interiors
http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/213609713-M.jpg
Beautiful red painting
http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/213497003-M.jpg
An american beauty was also there.
http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/213500448-M.jpg
With nice interiors
http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/213500804-M.jpg

Nikolai
Oct-28-2007, 10:34 AM
A friend of mines, invited me to go and meet him.
He was with some more people who owned old cars.
Much better, Antonio! Thank you very much! :thumb
What is missing, I think, is a WA shot that would show a lot of cars, where they are located, etc.

MooreDriven
Oct-30-2007, 09:15 AM
Rutt,

Thanks for the feedback. After reading your comments, as well as Nikolai's, I decided to read my post again in a more critical way. As with any assignment, we see things in a different way than they may acutally appear. For example, I was surprised how many times I used the phrase "twists and turns", as you pointed out.

I think a better story would have been to focus just on the state and national parks. I primarily took photographs in those parks, and virtually none of the roads I mentioned. The story really became bogged down with all of the roads, directions and adjectives used to explain the roads.

Unfortunately, I don't have time this week to re-write my story. I guess I'll have to live with what I've written for now. On a side note, I posted the trip to the BMWSportTouring forum, and recieved several positive comments. This of course, reinforces Nikolai's statement about the ease of pleasing a speciality crowd versus the general public.

Thanks for the challenging assignment. I look forward to the next one.

Pexi
Nov-11-2007, 04:34 PM
http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/220137947-M.jpg
Once again, the Milan motorcycle exhibition was bigger than ever. This year it attracted more than half a million visitors and caused major traffic problems on Milan’s Tangenziale Ovest.

http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/219586400-S.jpg
Ducati’s long overdue replacement for the15 years old Monster got a lot of buzz, and not only because of the well decorated stand. http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/220013261-S.jpg
Among the generally positive attitude, some Monster enthusiasts judged the new bike “too modern and Japanese”. Others may have not looked at the bike at all.

http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/219685947-S.jpg http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/220211741-Th.jpg
With the much-anticipated Stelvio, powered by a "quattrovalvole" engine, Moto Guzzi steps into the growing road going maxi-enduro sector and challenges mainly the only other shaft driven one, the BMW GS.

http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/219682520-S.jpg
However, a real surprise on Guzzi’s stand was V7 Special, another incarnation of Guzzi’s small block line, now dressed up as a retro bike, nicely fitting into Moto Guzzi heritage. V7 Special will be on sale next spring.

http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/220089226-S.jpg
MV Agusta won clearly the “most beautiful bike of the show” contest with its Brutale 1078RR, not too bad for a company whose slogan says “Motorcycle Art”.

Milan is one of the world’s most reputed fashion and style centres, so we decided to dig out the next spring’s fashion colours: white is in, black is totally out, orange is quite yesterday. But beware, white is not just plain dull white, it needs to be pearlescent white. Here are the proofs:
http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/220101484-Th.jpg http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/220120957-Th.jpg http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/220126617-Th.jpg http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/220145714-Th.jpg http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/220146719-Th.jpg http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/220157452-Th.jpg http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/220155950-Th.jpg http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/220079912-Th.jpg http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/220100493-Th.jpg

And then there's Harley for those who prefer yesterday :D
http://pexi.smugmug.com/photos/220128594-S.jpg

Nikolai
Nov-13-2007, 09:43 AM
First of all, I'd like to apologize for the delay with reply. Totally swamped with post-processing of two large and one very large shoots.

Thank you for the entry! :thumb Looks like you had a great time! :wink
Now I'm curious what Rutt has to say about it! :ear

Pexi
Nov-13-2007, 01:21 PM
First of all, I'd like to apologize for the delay with reply. Totally swamped with post-processing of two large and one very large shoots.

Thank you for the entry! :thumb Looks like you had a great time! :wink
Now I'm curious what Rutt has to say about it! :ear

Come on Nikolai, there's no need to apologize! I'm not paying a cent for this great guidance and mentoring you folks are providing here, so if and whenever you use your time to give any feedback, I'm all :earand :bow . Really.

BTW, this assignment was really hard for me, due to my lousy english grammar and vocabulary, so I'm learning here at many levels! You guys rock :barb !!

CookieS
Dec-14-2007, 06:36 PM
It seems I always come to these things late, But I will see whats hapening this weekend in the horse capital of the world and get back to the assignment in Photo journalist model ( I do have a press pass :thumb

Nikolai
Dec-14-2007, 08:27 PM
It seems I always come to these things late, But I will see whats hapening this weekend in the horse capital of the world and get back to the assignment in Photo journalist model ( I do have a press pass :thumb
Yay! This would be great! :thumb

Chrissiebeez_NL
Dec-15-2007, 08:06 AM
just a question;

would anti abortion protests and counterprotests be too controversial for this forum? i may be able to do a PJ photorep about it in two weeks time.

plz let me know.

:thumb

Nikolai
Dec-15-2007, 09:37 AM
just a question;

would anti abortion protests and counterprotests be too controversial for this forum? i may be able to do a PJ photorep about it in two weeks time.

plz let me know.

:thumb
PJ is by default about the contoversy. Looking forward to it!

rutt
Dec-18-2007, 09:46 AM
I'll be really glad if this thread comes to life again.
I shot some Operation Rescue people outside of Boston Planned Parenthood a couple of years ago: here is the gallery. (http://rutt.smugmug.com/gallery/1176497)

I tried very hard to cover this story as an impartial journalist. Perhaps I succeeded, because it sparked quite a controversy on Fred Miranda, but there were political criticisms of ME from both sides -- how could I condone those baby killers, why didn't I capitalize the word "God", what right does a man have siding with those antiabortion people. The people with strong views read a neutrally presented story (at least that's what I was trying to do) and saw someone who wasn't being fair to them. That's a good lesson: people only think journalism is "fair and balanced" if its slant agrees with their bias.

Chrissiebeez_NL
Dec-19-2007, 06:24 AM
I'll be really glad if this thread comes to life again.
I shot some Operation Rescue people outside of Boston Planned Parenthood a couple of years ago: here is the gallery. (http://rutt.smugmug.com/gallery/1176497)

I tried very hard to cover this story as an impartial journalist. Perhaps I succeeded, because it sparked quite a controversy on Fred Miranda, but there were political criticisms of ME from both sides -- how could I condone those baby killers, why didn't I capitalize the word "God", what right does a man have siding with those antiabortion people. The people with strong views read a neutrally presented story (at least that's what I was trying to do) and saw someone who wasn't being fair to them. That's a good lesson: people only think journalism is "fair and balanced" if its slant agrees with their bias.

I cant believe the critisism you recieved on the story you wrote; to me this is as impartial as it gets. But i see your point, that is why I wasnt planning on being this impartial but more trying to get both sides of the story so they can be seen side by side, regardless of who is right.

I'm not afraid of a good debate about religion because i discuss about it a lot with my peers but more afraid that this debate will be set here at Dgrin (where politics are left out, fortunatly).

hope i will catch the protest because such things are rare here in the netherlands were religion isn't as strong as in other parts of the world. I really like the idea of a PJ assignment and will certainly post something else if this fails. :barb

laraflites
Jan-06-2008, 09:01 AM
http://butterflites.smugmug.com/photos/240327312-M.jpg
thanks for the inspiration! I caught up with this forum about a month ago and found that pushed me way past my comfort zone. thanks! not only did I take the shot on a busy afternoon, but I also introduced myself and got the story of who she is and what she was doing! and then I sent it to the editor of my local paper! thanks!!

for the link to today's chapel hill news posting of my photo and descriptive words go here:
http://www.chapelhillnews.com/143/story/11897.html

:barb laura -- www.butterflites.smugmug.com (http://www.butterflites.smugmug.com)

laraflites
Jan-06-2008, 09:08 AM
just to add, I asked her permission to send the photo and story to the newspaper while talking to her. I also brought her an 8x10 print of the photo a few days after taking the shot. she was quite pleased with it! laura

Nikolai
Jan-06-2008, 01:34 PM
just to add, I asked her permission to send the photo and story to the newspaper while talking to her. I also brought her an 8x10 print of the photo a few days after taking the shot. she was quite pleased with it! laura
Yay! Congratualtions! WTG!:thumb

SloYerRoll
Jan-18-2008, 12:36 PM
Don't know how I missed out on the MA. But I'm going out this weekend for this!

-Jon

Nikolai
Jan-18-2008, 01:16 PM
Don't know how I missed out on the MA. But I'm going out this weekend for this!

-Jon

Great news, Jon, thanks! :thumb

Snowgirl
May-19-2008, 04:07 AM
I'm just finding my way around DGrin and exploring all of the categories. I found this one intriguing because, in my other life, I'm a PR professional and spend a lot of time writing stories and trying to find images (my own or others) to illustrate them. Most of my work involves horse shows (English and Western) and livestock exhibits. Sometimes there are other aspects.

http://imagesbyceci.smugmug.com/photos/297101820_m8XYR-S.jpg

This little girl was amazed by the collection of antique tractors racing inside the arena. It was used in context with other shots of the tractors - the focus being on the discrepancy between this wee one and the 60+ year old tractors that appeal to many people, regardless of age or gender.:ivar

Nikolai
May-19-2008, 07:19 AM
I'm just finding my way around DGrin and exploring all of the categories. I found this one intriguing because, in my other life, I'm a PR professional and spend a lot of time writing stories and trying to find images (my own or others) to illustrate them. Most of my work involves horse shows (English and Western) and livestock exhibits. Sometimes there are other aspects.

http://imagesbyceci.smugmug.com/photos/297101820_m8XYR-S.jpg

This little girl was amazed by the collection of antique tractors racing inside the arena. It was used in context with other shots of the tractors - the focus being on the discrepancy between this wee one and the 60+ year old tractors that appeal to many people, regardless of age or gender.:ivar
Thank you! :thumb
The story is quite appealing, my only complaint here is that the photo itself does not provide even a slightest clue to what's happening. Pretty much anything can be said about it. :dunno

Bendr
Jul-13-2008, 10:44 PM
Here is my first shot at this, in this thread:

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=99665

Thanks,
Ben

Nikolai
Jul-13-2008, 10:48 PM
Here is my first shot at this, in this thread:

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=99665

Thanks,
Ben

Very cool, Ben! thank you! :thumb

MikeInRochester
Oct-15-2008, 07:40 PM
Too late to get in on this?

I have an idea that I can work on in the next couple weeks.

Nikolai
Oct-15-2008, 09:35 PM
Too late to get in on this?
I have an idea that I can work on in the next couple weeks.
Never!:thumb