4th Annual SmugMug / Dgrin Shootout -- Arches National Park October 2008

[Andy]

The moment that you all have been waiting for is here: our official announcement for the SmugMug / Dgrin shootout '08!

We'll be going to Utah, to Arches National Park (http://www.nps.gov/arch/), Canyonlands (http://www.nps.gov/cany), Deadhorse Point (http://www.utah.com/stateparks/dead_horse.htm) and the Moab (http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=Moab,+UT,+United+States+of+America&sa=X&oi=map&ct=title) area.

Dates: October 8-11, 2008 (checkout Oct 12th!)

Lodging: Red Cliffs Lodge (http://redcliffslodge.com) - a superb resort, on the Colorado River just a few miles out of Moab. It's a beautiful resort, gorgeous rooms, and a great restaurant - plus they have their own vineyard :1drink

Pros: Marc Muench (http://www.muenchworkshops.com/gallery/3350852), Dave Porter (http://www.muenchworkshops.com/gallery/3506542), and Andy Williams (http://www.muenchworkshops.com/gallery/3502232), will return to instruct, guide and lead our expedition.

Food: SmugMug will be hosting a banquet dinner on Friday night, the rest of your food is taken care of individually.

Group: Limited to up to 60 people. First come (i.e. paid!), first served.

Activities: Shooting at Arches NP, Canyonlands, Deadhorse, Moab, heck you can even go river rafting, horse back riding, and Jeep trailing if you like! Special Activity!: Kelsey Gray (http://www.prezwoodz.smugmug.com/) and John Borland (http://www.morffed.com/)will be attending the shootout... If you don't know, this area is one of the premier climbing spots in North America. John and Kelsey are our favorite photographer/climbers and would love to get together with other so inclined dgrinners to share their climbing and slacklining adventures. You've seen their awesome pics, now it's YOUR chance to get a little taste of what they do. You can get all the details, ask any questions or just talk about these plans in this thread (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=73239).

Travel: Fly to Grand Junction, or other nearby cities (http://redcliffslodge.com/about-the-inn/directions.htm) and then drive to Moab. We will be arranging for shared rides and rental cars, and participants will be splitting the cost of rentals/fuel. There will be information threads posted on travel and cars as the Shootout draws nearer.

Cost/Payments: There is no fee for the tuition or attendance of the shootout and workshop! SmugMug picks up the cost of the pros who are leading the workshop. Attendees pay their own way, and pay for the lodging and meals. The exact lodging costs are still to be determined. The range in room prices is due to the different accommodations we have.

Here are the room descriptions for the Shootout:

King River Suites: (we have 13 of these reserved)
Each room has one King bed with log furniture that steps down into the dining area which includes dining table and chairs, refrigerator, coffee maker, microwave, sink and queen size sofa bed. Each room includes a private patio which faces the Colorado River. Amenities include, Direct TV, phones, DSL internet connections, hair dryer, Iron & board, robes and Bath & Body lotions, soaps and shampoo. (Maximum 4 persons) Rate: $199.95 for 2 people.

Queen/Queen Creekside Suites: (We have 6 of these reserved)
Each room has two Queen beds with log furniture that steps down into the dining area which includes dining table and chairs, refrigerator, coffee maker, microwave, sink and queen size sofa bed. Each room includes a private patio which faces the Castle Creek. Amenities include, Direct TV, phones, DSL internet connections, hair dryer, iron & board, robes and Bath & Body lotions, soaps and shampoo. (Maximum 6 persons) Rate: $199.95 for 1 or 2 persons

Queen/Queen River Cabin Suites: (we have 17 of these reserved)
Each cabin suite has two Queen bedrooms with log furniture and shared bathroom. Bath includes whirlpool tub and tiled vanity area along with robes, hair dryer, iron & board, Bath & Body lotions and soaps. The living room area boast a central located fireplace & TV as well as queen size sofa bed. The cabin kitchenette has dining table and chairs, refrigerator, coffee maker, microwave and sink. Each cabin includes a private patio which faces White Rapids on the Colorado River. Amenities include, Direct TV, phones, DSL internet connections, hair dryer, Iron & board, robes and Bath & Body lotions, soaps and shampoo.
(Maximum 6 persons) Rate: $299.95 for 2 people.
You can take a virtual tour of the rooms, here (http://redcliffslodge.com/virtual-tours/?WCSESSID=0e92c9e6c120720ea67bc5b58c69f265#1).

We're going to be handling the finances a little differently this time, as we are only accepting a deposit, there is no final payment made to us. You will pay your balance at the lodge. There are just too many variables to keep track of for everyone. The deposit will be $300, part of which will go to the shared cost of the meeting room for our critiques, after which the balance will be applied to your room. Deposits are non-refundable after July 15, 2008.

Payments are made via Google Checkout, in this gallery (http://dgrin.smugmug.com/gallery/3579847).

Sign up: The Shootout is currently full. You can request to be placed on the waiting list, just send an email (no PM's, please!!!) to David Rosenthal (linked in this gallery (http://dgrin.smugmug.com/gallery/3579847)), and make sure you include your preference for room, if any, who you will be traveling with (if anyone) and if you're interested in the climbing/slacklining. Some of the rooms are more appropriate for couples, others for singles, so please specify.

Questions? Ask them here in this thread! We're fortunate again this year to have David Rosenthal (DavidTO) helping to organize, and put things together. David's going to handle all the reservations, and will be putting up all the informational threads, as the trip draws near. He's your go-to guy for this trip!

The last three trips were completely filled, so get your reservations and deposits in early.


Attendees:
(updated September 23, 2008)

The following people are fully registered for this event (63 people):

Aaron Newman anwmn 1
David Ryan jdryan3 1
Nikolai Sklobovsky Nikolai 1
Tony DeJoie Tonyd 1
Chris Pedersen ChrisP6 1
Doug Quist NorCalDoug 1
Fred Weinert FredW 1
Richard Atkinson Dixie 1
Lee Shepherd bigwebguy 1
Jeremy Olson Digital-Gopher 1
Larry Olson butcho 1
Lars Olson 1
John Borland ColdClimb 1
Kelsey Gray Prezwoodz 1
Leah Peasley catspaw 1
David Parry devbobo 1
Ian Clements ian408 1
Andrew Gorohoff greenpea 2
Mike Iem Iem 2
April Tse aktse 1
Kerry Ellis Llywellyn 1
Clifford Whitmore CliffW 1
Matthew Palmer mANVIL 1
Dave Porter Dave Porter 1
Marc Muench Marc Muench 1
Ivar Borst Ivar 1
Nick Wrzesinski Gluwater 1
Christina Dale Phyxius 1
Maxine Niblock skippy 1
Bill Gerrard beachbill 1
Kevin Bailey stuffjunkie 1
Ken Mucke 1
Brett Coon brettcoon 1
Dean Aceto II cwphotos 1
Eric Crusius esc2476 1
Joel G. kdog 1
Terrence Randell terrence 1
Cuong Nguyen Cuong 2
Dave & Kate Vichich davev, katev 2
Karen Moureaux cpagility 2
Sam and Beth Nichols Shizam, bethy 2
Teresa Torres ttorres33 1
Scott Hair SBH 2
Chris Abbey cabbey 2
Andy Williams Andy 1
Jim and Kathy Pickrell pathfinder, nightinggale 2
Jack Buchanan & Sharon Vaughn Calfee Rider 2
Adam & Kendall Grim Grimace 2
Stephanie and Travis Theune schmoo, zweiblumen 2
Chris Vogt CavalierPhoto 2

Here is the waitlist (30 people):

Don Piele 1
TylerW TylerW 2
Richard Crowe 1
Daniel Thorp 1
Carlos Jaramillo Cjaramillo 1
Dave Shaver 1
Jody McDevitt parhead 1
Robin F. Pimentel Robinp12 2
Roger Pickett 1
Ari Bixhorn 1
Carl Silverstein 1
Bill Pelzmann Pelzmann 1
Chuck Barnes CBarnes 1
Dave Swartz Swarzy 1
Adam Wooley 1
Hank Stoklosa 1
Rob Cunningham 1
Eric Tetens 1
Ralph Adam Fine 1
Marcy Ugstad firelook2 1
Jeremy Brechtold jrbechthold 1
Chris Carney 2
Mike Dege LizardRanch 1
Ed Hughes ehughes 3
Anita Marto 1

UPDATE: WE ARE FULL. If you want to go, email David (no PMs!!!!) and he'll put you on the waiting list.

And finally, here are a few images to whet your appetite for some great shooting!

http://smugmug.com/photos/156637240-L.jpg
Photo Credit: Andy Williams


http://smugmug.com/photos/156501235-L.jpg
Photo Credit: David Rosenthal


http://smugmug.com/photos/156694733-L.jpghttp://smugmug.com/photos/156685697-O.gif
Photo Credit: Andy Williams

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And some photo threads as they pop up:

- Marc Muench (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=108079)
- Phyxius (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=108105)
- CavalierPhoto (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=108675)
- Dixie (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=108450)
- Greenpea's snapshots thread (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=108646)
- Skippy's IR (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=109202), 2 (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=109291)
- jdryan (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=109593), 2 (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=110055)
- pathfinder (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=109883)
- ivar (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=110038)
- FredW (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=110238)
- Nikolai (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=110128)
- cwphotos (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=110512)
- schmoo (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=111836)

[Nikolai]

Payment sent! :ivar
This is gonna be FUN! :barb

[Nikolai]

Can someone (David? Andy?) explain what does this "maximum X people" mean?
I mean, if there is only one King bed in the room, how can it fit 4? :scratch
Or it means there are 4 rooms and one shared restroom/bathroom?

I guess we're all a bit sensitive about that after St.Mary's Lodge experience :wink

[Andy]

In. :thumb

[schmoo]

Pros, Smuggers, AND KELSEY??? :barb

[DavidTO]

Can someone (David? Andy?) explain what does this "maximum X people" mean?
I mean, if there is only one King bed in the room, how can it fit 4? :scratch
Or it means there are 4 rooms and one shared restroom/bathroom?

I guess we're all a bit sensitive about that after St.Mary's Lodge experience :wink


Nik,

That info is lifted directly from the lodge's site. It's really just to give you an idea of the room. There is a King and a Queen sofa sleeper in the room, so what the lodge is telling you is that you can have 4, 2 on the king, 2 on the queen. Make sense?

[DougNorCal]

I'll be traveling with ChrisP6 again this year and hope to get one more friend to come with us.

Who do we contact if we want to arrive a few days early and have the same room for pre-shoot and shoot?

Don't know yet about the slackline stuff. Too early to see how my back will be.

We would prefer, I suspect, a Queen/Queen River Cabin Suite.

Sorry if this info should have gone someplace else. Still way early in the morning to be thinking straight. :wink

[photobanks]

This sounds awesome.... shame you do not do something smilar in the UK. Oh well, will have to save up thhe pennies and hopefully come next year!!

Michael

[davev]

Kate and I are in.

[DougNorCal]

This sounds awesome.... shame you do not do something smilar in the UK.

I think it would be awesome to do something in Europe. Scottish highlands, Baveria, Swiss Alps, etc. etc.

Where do I sign up?

[digitalpins]

add me to the list

[grimace]

We're in too!!

[denisegoldberg]

I'm in, deposit sent.

That area is a favorite of mine (although I've only been there twice), and having the opportunity to play with some dynamite photographers - well that sounds like a great experience to me.

[wholenewlight]

I'm in!

Just sent deposit

[Terrence]

I'm in. Payment sent. :thumb

[DavidTO]

I think it would be awesome to do something in Europe. Scottish highlands, Baveria, Swiss Alps, etc. etc.

Where do I sign up?


Stay tuned!

[OffTopic]

Would it be okay for a non-photographer spouse to tag along? My anniversary is the 10th, so I guess I shouldn't take off on my own, but since this is how we spent our honeymoon, and how we're spending this year's anniversary, I think (hope) he'd be up for it.

[ivar]

I'm in :barb

[DavidTO]

I'm in :barb


w00T!

The deposits are flying in, much faster than I can process them (life, work, etc. getting in the way). I'll be updating Andy's post with a real list of real deposit paying attendees in the next few days. But this one is filling up fast! :D

[DavidTO]

Would it be okay for a non-photographer spouse to tag along? My anniversary is the 10th, so I guess I shouldn't take off on my own, but since this is how we spent our honeymoon, and how we're spending this year's anniversary, I think (hope) he'd be up for it.


Lori,

I'm concerned about filling up our limited space with non-photographer attendees. That's not a "no", it's a "let's see". If you want to make your deposit now, I have no problem with that. We can talk about this down the line, OK?

[Nikolai]

Nik,

That info is lifted directly from the lodge's site. It's really just to give you an idea of the room. There is a King and a Queen sofa sleeper in the room, so what the lodge is telling you is that you can have 4, 2 on the king, 2 on the queen. Make sense?
Ah, ok, got it, thanks! :thumb

[z_28]

Would it be okay for a non-photographer spouse to tag along? My anniversary is the 10th, so I guess I shouldn't take off on my own, but since this is how we spent our honeymoon, and how we're spending this year's anniversary, I think (hope) he'd be up for it.

Lori,
you got full year to learn your worse half
where is shutter trigger and which part is a lens.
Set camera to Auto or Program and voilà :thumb

Happy Moab Anniversary guys :wink

[ChrisP6]

I think it would be awesome to do something in Europe. Scottish highlands, Baveria, Swiss Alps, etc. etc.

Where do I sign up?
I'd be up for something International as well -- partly to support the DGrinners there (e.g. Gus, we could come down-under), and partly to have another excuse to travel.

For now, I'm excited about Moab next year. This'll be a blast!

[digital_gopher]

deposit sent.

Jeremy

[Nikolai]

Would it be okay for a non-photographer spouse to tag along? My anniversary is the 10th, so I guess I shouldn't take off on my own, but since this is how we spent our honeymoon, and how we're spending this year's anniversary, I think (hope) he'd be up for it.

Just a fair warning: shootout schedule can be very exhausting (last year in Moab we usually woke up at 3-4am and went to bed around 11pm, that and a long hikes:-), and, for a non-photog, extremely boring and annoying (stopping for "seemingly nothing" 10 times for 10 minutes each over 0.1 mile hike:-).
Proceed at your own risk :wink
That's been said, it's gonna be a great event!:deal

[DavidTO]

Ah, ok, got it, thanks! :thumb


Let me clarify further: since you're not paying for your lodging up front, only making a deposit towards it, you can opt to save money by letting me know that you want to save money, and I'll put more of you in one room/cabin. Some may more about saving money than their accommodations, some the other way around. If you let me know your preference, I'll do my best to accommodate it.

Make sense? :D

[Awais Yaqub]

OMG wow :clap

[Nikolai]

Let me clarify further: since you're not paying for your lodging up front, only making a deposit towards it, you can opt to save money by letting me know that you want to save money, and I'll put more of you in one room/cabin. Some may more about saving money than their accommodations, some the other way around. If you let me know your preference, I'll do my best to accommodate it.

Make sense? :D
Totally! Thanks!

I have just emailed you my prefs :-)

[greenpea]

payment sent!

I'm in!!!! :barb:ivar

[DavidTO]

Just an FYI to everyone:

Please be patient. There is a lot of work to be done in processing all of these registrations, and what with work, family, etc. I'm just not keeping up. I will be caught up on Saturday, and will make sure that all the details for all who have registered are handled by then. I will also start to keep a list of registrations in the first post.

Thanks for your understanding!

Man, the registrations are just FLYING in! :clap

[wholenewlight]

Just an FYI to everyone:

Please be patient. There is a lot of work to be done in processing all of these registrations, and what with work, family, etc. I'm just not keeping up. I will be caught up on Saturday, and will make sure that all the details for all who have registered are handled by then. I will also start to keep a list of registrations in the first post.

Thanks for your understanding!

Man, the registrations are just FLYING in! :clapNo worries from me - thanks for the work!

[Foochar]

Found dgrin/smugmug too late to participate in the '07 shootout, I've been checking every day this week figuring that with the '07 shootout being complete the '08 announcement would be coming soon. All the pictures I've been seeing from the '07 participants just made me more eager to attend. My deposit is in, and I'm looking forward to this even though it is a a year away. Talk about delayed gratification :D

[Shizam]

Take my money faster!

[DavidTO]

Take my money faster!


I'm trying!!!!

:D

[Prezwoodz]

Pros, Smuggers, AND KELSEY??? :barb

Aww I hope I don't show up with a swollen head! :):

[bethy]

:noob The place we're staying has internet! Wooo internet.

[aktse]

In for the trip... maybe for the climbing, and maybe on a pre-trip if I don't use up all of my vacation for next year. :rofl

[pathfinder]

Nightingale and I will be returning also.

The idea of a pre-shoot out get together is very appealing also, as there is so much to see and do in the Moab area that you could spend weeks there as still find new things to see and do.

If anyone else is considering a pre-shootout arrival, keep me and Nightingale in mind as well.:thumb

I am not sure about the climbing aspect, but I have generally never turned away from a good time yet:D

[Nikolai]

Nightingale and I will be returning also.

The idea of a pre-shoot out get together is very appealing also, as there is so much to see and do in the Moab area that you could spend weeks there as still find new things to see and do.

If anyone else is considering a pre-shootout arrival, keep me and Nightingale in mind as well.:thumb

I am not sure about the climbing aspect, but I have generally never turned away from a good time yet:D

I'll be most likely in for a pre-shoot. Something similar to what we did last year - from Page to Moab.

[davev]

For sure Kate and I will be in the area a week or so early, but who knows at this point what we'll be doing.

[greenpea]

Nightingale and I will be returning also.

The idea of a pre-shoot out get together is very appealing also, as there is so much to see and do in the Moab area that you could spend weeks there as still find new things to see and do.

If anyone else is considering a pre-shootout arrival, keep me and Nightingale in mind as well.:thumb

I am not sure about the climbing aspect, but I have generally never turned away from a good time yet:D

Granted this trip is a long way off, but I might be willing to host a pre-shoot out. This is a part of the world I know pretty well.

Maybe something starting in New Mexico around Taos (or possibly as far South as Santa Fe) where we visit some of Ansel Adams favorite subjects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Adams_Church_Taos_Pueblo.jpg) then on to Colorado for Mesa Verde National Park (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa_Verde_National_Park) and Canyons of the Ancients National Monument (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canyons_of_the_Ancients_National_Monument) then on up to Moab, UT.

Normally a 6 hour drive. But for a couple car fulls of dgrinners, more like 4 days. :rofl

[Fred W]

I'm In !!!!!:barb :barb :barb

Deposit (Cold Hard Cash) sent. :D :D :D :D
This time I'll take the KINGSIZE bed .:wink :wink :wink

[Nikolai]

This time I'll take the KINGSIZE bed .:wink :wink :wink
Yeah, I was thinking along the same lines...
St.Mary's futons were prolly OK for the small kids, but they were just a little bit too short for the 6'2" 200lbs big ones :rofl

[CalfeeRider]

David, PM sent to confirm availabity, but Sharon and I both are psyched about doing it!

Jim/Nik/DaveV (and others) please keep us in mind too about a pre-shootout! We'll probably drive out toward Moab the Friday before and hit some spots along the way.

[DoctorIt]

Kinda silly that I've been on dgrin, even as a mod, for years, and this will be my first shootout. And even sillier that I've decided to go when I'm actually not living in the US.

So yeah, I'm IN. :D

[Nikolai]

David, PM sent to confirm availabity, but Sharon and I both are psyched about doing it!

Jim/Nik/DaveV (and others) please keep us in mind too about a pre-shootout! We'll probably drive out toward Moab the Friday before and hit some spots along the way.

Really? Great! :thumb Maybe we can even ride together:-) :wink

[Ann McRae]

I'm in -deposit sent.

I await preshootout details and will bring decals!!!!

ann

[DavidTO]

Update:

We've got a total of 51 interested people, including the pre-registrations.

We've got 30 who have paid their deposit.

We're getting a lot of requests for the King rooms, and I'm going to be giving priority to the couples for those, as one King bed for one person is not nearly as smart as 2 people for one bed. So, if you're married, but have had enough of each other, let me know! :D

[Phyxius]

I'm in -deposit sent.

I await preshootout details and will bring decals!!!!

ann

deck-el, deck-el, deck-el. :rofl

Woop, I'm sending my deposit tomorrow. :thumb

[CalfeeRider]

Sharon and I are IN!!! :clap

[CalfeeRider]

Really? Great! :thumb Maybe we can even ride together:-) :wink

Definitely!!! Let's see how the pre-shootout goes and how we can coordinate.

[CavalierPhoto]

David,

Liz and I would be more than happy to bump up to a cabin. Or let me rephrase, Liz would be more than happy, given my propensity for snoring. The extra room would give me some place other than a couch to sleep on. :D

Chris V.

Update:

We've got a total of 51 interested people, including the pre-registrations.

We've got 30 who have paid their deposit.

We're getting a lot of requests for the King rooms, and I'm going to be giving priority to the couples for those, as one King bed for one person is not nearly as smart as 2 people for one bed. So, if you're married, but have had enough of each other, let me know! :D

[ttorres33]

I'm in. I'm pretty sure Sam sent payment for me since I'm on the road and barely have internet access.

[DavidTO]

I'm in. I'm pretty sure Sam sent payment for me since I'm on the road and barely have internet access.


You.

Are.

In.

:clap

[gluwater]

Uh oh, Ann's already sent in her money. I need to get on top of things or she won't have anyone to bug her the entire trip.

[tonyd]

My deposit is in, hopefully that means I'm in too!!!

[greenpea]

Deposit in now for Mrs. greenpea (too).

I'm completely in now!!!:barb:ivar

EDIT: Anyone know where I can find a good babysitter for a week in early October 2008 :rolleyes

[Nikolai]

EDIT: Anyone know where I can find a good babysitter for a week in early October 2008 :rolleyes
Bring the kid in, but I must warn you: Helen's services are expensive :wink

[greenpea]

Bring the kid in, but I must warn you: Helen's services are expensive :wink
not kid, kids (2). But I'm hoping for help from бабa and дед.

[Ann McRae]

Uh oh, Ann's already sent in her money. I need to get on top of things or she won't have anyone to bug her the entire trip.

Nick - two things:

1. I am sure plenty of others will be able to bug me!

2. Y'all better get your money in, cuz I don't want to miss out on your special kind of bugging!

ann

[Nikolai]

not kid, kids (2). But I'm hoping for help from бабa and дед.
She can handle a dozen...:-)
But sure, дедушка и бабушка are the best ones (and usually the least expensive:-)

[devbobo]

Paid, i'm in :D

[cwphotos]

Yowza. I may have to send my prepay in Monday otherwise there wont be any space left.... :clap

[jamesl]

Ok, I'm paid up and in. :thumb Looking forward to meeting you folks in person next year. :D

So what, we only have......368 sleeps left????? Ha ha.

James

[DavidTO]

I updated the first post. Registration is on hold, while I suss out the lodging situation. We're not full, but we're getting close, and I don't want to be giving out spots we don't have.

[anwmn1]

I updated the first post. Registration is on hold, while I suss out the lodging situation. We're not full, but we're getting close, and I don't want to be giving out spots we don't have.

Awe crap I just paid!

[DavidTO]

Awe crap I just paid!


You're OK.

[Phyxius]

You're OK.
Oops, I sent mine, too. I'm on the pre-register list, so hopefully that was okay.

[claudermilk]

Good grief! You guys are moving fast. I'm very interested--and the location is someplace I've been wanting to get back to (including the Mesa Verde possibility--loved staying there). Gotta check with the wife to see if she has interest (she is well-trained to deal with photograper's foibles). We are pretty flexible on lodging& could make out own arrangements if need be-she has connections. I just wanna go. :uhoh

[caroline]

I think it would be awesome to do something in Europe. Scottish highlands, Baveria, Swiss Alps, etc. etc.


I agree totally, - common dgrin, & smugmug, give us a clue as to whether you would support this at a future date.

Caroline

[DavidTO]

Room rates:

Just an FYI, the rates in the first post are the book rates, not the discounted rates that we will be getting. The discount isn't ginormous, it's around 10%, depending on the room.

[DougNorCal]

I agree totally, - common dgrin, & smugmug, give us a clue as to whether you would support this at a future date.

Maybe we could just have a DIY shootout.

I hear rumors, though, that there might be a workshop over there soon. A little bird from Souther CA whispered it in my ear and asked me to be patient.

[Phyxius]

Room rates:

Just an FYI, the rates in the first post are the book rates, not the discounted rates that we will be getting. The discount isn't ginormous, it's around 10%, depending on the room.

Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention that'd I'll gladly take the cheapest option. :lust

[caroline]

Maybe we could just have a DYI shootout.

I hear rumors, though, that there might be a workshop over there soon. A little bird from Souther CA whispered it in my ear and asked me to be patient.

Well that would be a great start - patience is hard sometimes though ......

[z_28]

I read this and others 2008 related threads and have just one word comment:

AMAZING :barb

[anwmn1]

Woo Whooo. My first shootout! :clap


Nik, DaveV, Jim, Jack, (and others)

I live in Phoenix and would like to do a pre shoot as well. I will be off the whole week so starting Sat (4th) or Sun (5th) before would be great!

I can rent a van or SUV if everyone wants to chip in for van and gas. I'll even pick people up from the airport and drop you back off. :wink

I am thinking Page- Monument Valley- Goosenecks.

[Nikolai]

Woo Whooo. My first shootout! :clap


Nik, DaveV, Jim, Jack, (and others)

I live in Phoenix and would like to do a pre shoot as well. I will be off the whole week so starting Sat (4th) or Sun (5th) before would be great!

I can rent a van or SUV if everyone wants to chip in for van and gas. I'll even pick people up from the airport and drop you back off. :wink

I am thinking Page- Monument Valley- Goosenecks.

That's great! It would be very nice to see you in person! :thumb
We have a little time still to plan this whole thing. :wink
Jack, Skippy, me and few other guys did the whole south Lake Powel trip (from Page to Moab) last year fter the main shootout. We missed the Wave, though :cry

[anwmn1]

That's great! It would be very nice to see you in person! :thumb
We have a little time still to plan this whole thing. :wink
Jack, Skippy, me and few other guys did the whole south Lake Powel trip (from Page to Moab) last year fter the main shootout. We missed the Wave, though :cry

Wave is tough because of Permits. This Gentleman (http://www.jacksonbridges.com/Photography/photography.html) is great to work with and knows the Page area very well- he also has access to a lot of places most people do not get to see. We could do a special trip with him through Overland Canyon tours if people are interested.

We could go another route-
Tonto Natural Bridge- Painted Desert- Petrified Forest- Canyon de Chelly

Lots of options! I will be scouring my topo maps and the web :rofl

[Nikolai]

Wave is tough because of Permits. This Gentleman (http://www.jacksonbridges.com/Photography/photography.html) is great to work with and knows the Page area very well- he also has access to a lot of places most people do not get to see. We could do a special trip with him through Overland Canyon tours if people are interested.

We could go another route-
Tonto Natural Bridge- Painted Desert- Petrified Forest- Canyon de Chelly

Lots of options! I will be scouring my topo maps and the web :rofl

Yeah, tell me about it. We were trying to get the permit last year. They were gone like in two minutes...

Your local guide idea sound iteresting. And the alternative route sounds great, I always dreamed of getting the sunrise/sunset from the bottom of Canyon De Chelly. Can he get us there? I'm OK with camping a night or two...

[DavidTO]

Registration is re-opened! :D

[Nikolai]

Registration is re-opened! :D
David,
when you get a moment, maybe you can bold the names that have already confirmed, so we have a single point to see who's coming for sure?
Thanks!

[DavidTO]

David,
when you get a moment, maybe you can bold the names that have already confirmed, so we have a single point to see who's coming for sure?
Thanks!


I am going to be updating that post this weekend, probably Saturday. :D

In short, yes!

[DavidTO]

First post updated with a link to virtual tours of the rooms! :clap

[DavidTO]

There are floor plans for the rooms at the redcliffslodge.com site, btw. :wink

[Ken Lapp]

Any spots left? For two? Or, am I too late...:cry

[Andy]

Any spots left? For two? Or, am I too late...:cry
You might want to hurry :)

[DavidTO]

I've updated Andy's post with who's in on this trip.

I also noted those who expressed interest in the climbing part. If you are interested, and I don't have you down for it, please let me know. Or vice versa, if those pictures scared you off! :D

[Prezwoodz]

Theres still room for climbing too! I see we might have to work on talking a few into it. ;) Right now we have 4 it looks like and although thats plenty for us to come down and give it a whirl we would still like to see atleast double that....at the very least! ;)

[schmoo]

My friend Matt/mANVIL who is registered for the shootout (though rarely posts here) is 10000% for climbing and slacklining, though he might have not mentioned it during registration. I'll :poke him about that.

That would make 5 for you, Kelsey! :D

[DavidTO]

My friend Matt/mANVIL who is registered for the shootout (though rarely posts here) is 10000% for climbing and slacklining, though he might have not mentioned it during registration. I'll :poke him about that.

That would make 5 for you, Kelsey! :D


And you're already out of date! 7!!! :clap

[ttorres33]

I'm interested in the climbing! Also, the list says my dgrin username is ttorres, it's actually ttorres33.

Teresa

[devbobo]

I'm probably in for climbing as well, but I will need to get out of this chair a bit more between now and then :D

[DavidTO]

I'm probably in for climbing as well, but I will need to get out of this chair a bit more between now and then :D


9!!!

:clap

[esc2476]

I took the plunge! :clap:clap:clap

David-I sent you an e-mail. Very excited to be apart of this next year after read ing so much of everyonne's past adventures.

[greenpea]

You can put me (and mrs. grenpea) down for climbing too (if your taking any more climbers).

[Cuong]

David, please put me down for climbing too, but not my wife. Thanks.

Cuong Nguyen

[DavidTO]

Email, people, email!!!


Please. I've got a lot of details to track, I really need all my tiskets in one tasket. :D

That way, if I need to go back and reference something, I know where it is.

Thanks!

[cwphotos]

:thumb Alright folks im in. Money sent.

[cpagility]

We're in too! Paid for myself and Russ (my partner). Very excited to be joining our first photography group trip.

Karen
www.dogagility.net (http://www.dogagility.net)
www.bordercollie.tv (http://www.bordercollie.tv)

[brettcoon]

After hearing the rave reviews of this year's trip, I'm in for 2008. I've already sent my email and money.

[greenpea]

I just got a call from the fraud deptment of my bank asking about the unusual purchases through google. :rofl

[cpagility]

I just got a call from the fraud deptment of my bank asking about the unusual purchases through google. :rofl

Me too!

Karen

[anwmn1]

UPDATE: WE ARE FULL. If you want to go, email David (no PMs!!!!) and he'll put you on the waiting list.




WOW this filled up really fast!! Is that a record??

Glad I bit the bullet and signed up when I did.:wink

[cwphotos]

Wow. Im so thankful I paid yesterday. This was an insane sign up period. Guess the word is out.

[claudermilk]

:cry Guess I'll have to wait another year.

[DavidTO]

WOW this filled up really fast!! Is that a record??

Glad I bit the bullet and signed up when I did.:wink


Yes, it is. We also had more room this year than any year prior. :clap

[Nikolai]

I wonder if you guys gonna start take preorders for the 2009 now :wink

[schmoo]

I wonder if you guys gonna start take preorders for the 2009 now :wink

:huh


*clutches aching bank account*

[greenpea]

I wonder if you guys gonna start take preorders for the 2009 now :wink
put me down for the 2009 trip to _________.

where do I send my money :rofl

[anwmn1]

I wonder if you guys gonna start take preorders for the 2009 now :wink

I think smugmug should invest in some military GP medium tents and some generators!

The Dgrin battalion is growing!! :rofl

[Llywellyn]

Aw, man! I skip town for the weekend and come back to find the announcement for the 2008 shootout--and the announcement that it's full! :cry

*stares at the waitlist and tries to will her name to the top*

[Dixie]

I'm in - payment sent.

[BeachBill]

Just heard back from David, I've moved from the waiting list to IN! Deposit sent. :ivar

I love Arches.. my LPS#3 finalist (http://dgrin.smugmug.com/gallery/2605319#144153720) was shot there...

[anwmn1]

Just heard back from David, I've moved from the waiting list to IN! Deposit sent. :ivar

I love Arches.. my LPS#3 finalist (http://dgrin.smugmug.com/gallery/2605319#144153720) was shot there...


:clap
Look forward to meeting you Bill. i really like your work.

[SBH]

Ok, no plans to change jobs and lose my vacation time next year (unlike this year)....
so Teresa and I are in!

Funny that Dave had no problem taking all my money :D....

This is going to be gooood...

Scott

[DavidTO]

Funny that Dave had no problem taking all my money :D....




Somehow I have the feeling I didn't get ALL of your money! :D Just a wee bit. :wink

[DougNorCal]

Somehow I have the feeling I didn't get ALL of your money! :D Just a wee bit. :winkVery true. I think he still has some he wants to give to Canon via B&H or K&S or ... They have glass and a body the he feels is his.:D

[Skippy]

Shall I begin the Count Down now or wait a bit :rolleyes ... :rofl

Paid my Deposit while in USA ....... so I'm IN

I too would like to be involved in a pre-shoot but not the planned climbing one.

Already reserved my holiday time on the Calander at work already :D

..... Roll on 2008 :clap .... Skippy
.

[greenpea]

Shall I begin the Count Down now or wait a bit :rolleyes ... :rofl

Paid my Deposit while in USA ....... so I'm IN

I too would like to be involved in a pre-shoot but not the planned climbing one.

Already reserved my holiday time on the Calander at work already :D

..... Roll on 2008 :clap .... Skippy
.

...figuring some time for a pre-shootout (anyone care to join me in New Mexico?)

350 sleeps to go!!! :rofl

[Phyxius]

I was thinking post shootout, won't the desert still be quite hot at this time? I told work the shootout dates for sure and possibily the week before or after. Gotta get the days in early, even though I have 2.5 years of seniority on EVERYONE in the office.:wink


Woo this is gonna be fuuun! (Again!)

[DoctorIt]

I was thinking post shootout, won't the desert still be quite hot at this time?In October, in Utah, you'll only be hot in direct sunlight. It'll get mighty cold at night, I reckon.

[DavidTO]

I think weather.com (if i remember correctly) said average highs in the 70s, lows in the 50s, mebbe 40s.

[cabbey]

I guess I never recorded here that "we're in". Two deposits paid up. The wife will be with me, contrary to what the list on page one says.

Wunderground's history (http://www.wunderground.com/NORMS/DisplayNORMS.asp?AirportCode=KCNY&SafeCityName=Moab&StateCode=UT&Units=none&IATA=GJT) says lows at night hit freezing, highs in the days upper 70s, could have some rain, snow is unlikely.

[DavidTO]

I guess I never recorded here that "we're in". Two deposits paid up. The wife will be with me, contrary to what the list on page one says.



OK, OK, so I updated the first post with an indication if there are (2) in the party.

Happy now? :wxwax


:lol3

[Ann McRae]

WOW! 69 people all paid up -

This is a big group!

David - if you need help with organizational stuff - putting together itineraries or stuff like that, holler. I'd be thrilled to help out.

ann

[davev]

OK, OK, so I updated the first post with an indication if there are (2) in the party.

Happy now? :wxwax


:lol3

Not completely.

My last name is Spelled Vichich, not Vivich.
Also Kate has her own ID here now, it's katev.
You were close, but you get no cigar. :D

[DavidTO]

Not completely.

My last name is Spelled Vichich, not Vivich.
Also Kate has her own ID here now, it's katev.
You were close, but you get no cigar. :D


I never said it was perfect.

:D

Thanks, I'll update!

[cwphotos]

WOW! 69 people all paid up -

This is a big group!

David - if you need help with organizational stuff - putting together itineraries or stuff like that, holler. I'd be thrilled to help out.

ann

She is a soccer mom......I bet she is really good for the details. She did a great job in Glacier. My vote goes to Ann for itinerary helper. :D

[Nikolai]

She is a soccer mom......I bet she is really good for the details. She did a great job in Glacier. My vote goes to Ann for itinerary helper. :D
My vote goes for Ann, period! :wink :thumb :rofl :lust

[Andy]

WOW! 69 people all paid up -

This is a big group!

David - if you need help with organizational stuff - putting together itineraries or stuff like that, holler. I'd be thrilled to help out.

ann
Thanks Ann, appreciate the offer :)

We'll take care of it - you focus on Shooting!

[Skippy]

OK, OK, so I updated the first post with an indication if there are (2) in the party.

Happy now? :wxwax


:lol3


Hey you didn't update me....... I'm still sitting in the unpaid list :scratch
.... Skippy :D
.

[DavidTO]

Hey you didn't update me....... I'm still sitting in the unpaid list :scratch
.... Skippy :D
.


OK, I guess manually updating wasn't working. I've changed to copy/paste from my master spreadsheet. Hopefully I got it right this time! :D

[Skippy]

OK, I guess manually updating wasn't working. I've changed to copy/paste from my master spreadsheet. Hopefully I got it right this time! :D


Excellent David, cause I just booked my flights already :rofl
.... Skippy :thumb
.

[Llywellyn]

In, :hide

[Nikolai]

In, :hide
Yay! :clap

[DavidTO]

http://myskitch.com/davidrosenthal/dock-20071102-212041.jpg

[cwphotos]

Speaking of which DavidTO are you going to be at this one? :wink

[DavidTO]

Speaking of which DavidTO are you going to be at this one? :wink


I'm planning on it! :thumb

[ChrisJ]

Woo hoo! I'm off the wait list and officially in! :ivar

Haven't had much time for shooting lately, but I've still been lurking. I'd also be up for climbing if there's still room!

[Nikolai]

Woo hoo! I'm off the wait list and officially in! :ivar

Haven't had much time for shooting lately, but I've still been lurking. I'd also be up for climbing if there's still room!

Yay! Another angeleno! :clap

[cabbey]

Realtime countdown....

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(at least as long as raw html remains active on dgrin. :huh )

[greenpea]

Very cool!

[Foochar]

I'm starting to think about travel plans, (yes I like to plan ahead:D ) and was looking over the travel recommendations from the most recent trip. I wanted to make sure that with the shorter time frame this coming year (2007 was September 25-30=6 days, 5 nights; 2008 is October 8-11=4 days, 3 nights) that a mid day arrival in Moab on the 8th and mid day departure from Moab on the 11th was the recommended course of action by the "powers that be".

[jdryan3]

Dates: October 8-11, 2008

Travel: Fly to Grand Junction, or other nearby cities (http://redcliffslodge.com/about-the-inn/directions.htm) and then drive to Moab. We will be arranging for shared rides and rental cars, and participants will be splitting the cost of rentals/fuel. There will be information threads posted on travel and cars as the Shootout draws nearer.


Are we there yet? I mean, it is 2008!

OK, seriously though, how do most folks plan on getting there? I, for instance, will probably fly to SLC and drive the 4.5 hours. I can fly to SLC in 4 hours. While Grand Junction is only 2 hours away from Moab, it takes a 6.5 hour flight with a layover. Plus it costs $230 more. And cars will probably be easier to get in SLC.

But if people are wanting to fly into Phoenix or SLC sometime like 10/2 or 10/3 and head off someplace before Arches, I'm very interested.

I wanted to make sure that with the shorter time frame ... that a mid day arrival in Moab on the 8th and mid day departure from Moab on the 11th was the recommended course of action by the "powers that be".

Andy: Does Foochar have this correct? Do we miss anything if we leave first thing early morning on the 11th?

[DavidTO]

The lodge is reserved 10/08-10/11. Which means that checkout is on the 12th. :thumb

[Foochar]

The lodge is reserved 10/08-10/11. Which means that checkout is on the 12th. :thumb

Thanks for the clarification David.

[jdryan3]

Given this ...

The lodge is reserved 10/08-10/11. Which means that checkout is on the 12th. :thumb

... I could add time on the backend, after the shootout for another destination if anyone is interested.

But if people are wanting to fly into Phoenix or SLC sometime like 10/2 or 10/3 and head off someplace before Arches, I'm very interested.

I suggested the frontend only to get 2 weekends in there.

[DavidTO]

Given this ...



... I could add time on the backend, after the shootout for another destination if anyone is interested.



I suggested the frontend only to get 2 weekends in there.


jdryan3,

In the past the first person to speak up about extending the trip has started a new thread to generate interest. You could start a "Pre or Post Moab 2008 Shootout" thread right here in Big Picture. If it takes off, we'll link it to the main announcement thread. :deal

Feel free to get the ball rolling!!! :thumb

[BeachBill]

In the past the first person to speak up about extending the trip has started a new thread to generate interest. You could start a "Pre or Post Moab 2008 Shootout" thread right here in Big Picture. If it takes off, we'll link it to the main announcement thread.

David, there is already a pre-shootout thread here (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=75655). In fact I went looking for it this morning when I couldn't find it linked via the sticky post.

[DavidTO]

David, there is already a pre-shootout thread here (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=75655). In fact I went looking for it this morning when I couldn't find it linked via the sticky post.


d'oh!!!!

My brain short circuited!!!

I knew that was there, just forgot. Well, now I've got something to do....gonna go linky link it! :deal

[Cuong]

I have a request for this shootout. Can we do a group picture of all the attendees either at the beginning or at the end of the shootout? I think that would be a cool souvenir for everyone and I haven't seen such for past shootouts.

Cuong

[jdryan3]

If you don't subscribe to National Geographic Adventure magazine, try and pick up a copy of the March 2008 issue at your local bookstore. Title story is about "The Secret Southwest", including a section on 'Arch Hunting'.

The website (http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/) has last month's issue highlighted, but I'm sure it will be updated soon.

[DavidTO]

Updated attendees list and waitlist, February 2, 2008 9:40 AM. :thumb

[Llywellyn]

I'm wanting to get my flight squared away soon, and I wanted to know if it was better to plan on arriving the morning of October 8 for shared-ride arranging or the night before (Oct. 7)? Also, will most people be flying out the afternoon of Oct. 11 or the morning of Oct. 12? I wasn't sure what the nights' arrangement was at the hotel. :deal Any insight?

[Foochar]

I'm wanting to get my flight squared away soon, and I wanted to know if it was better to plan on arriving the morning of October 8 for shared-ride arranging or the night before (Oct. 7)? Also, will most people be flying out the afternoon of Oct. 11 or the morning of Oct. 12? I wasn't sure what the nights' arrangement was at the hotel. :deal Any insight?

Here are my initial observations based on some flight searches and other comments. Grand Junction is about 2 hours from Moab, Salt Lake City is about 4. Flying into Salt Lake City from the Baltimore/Washington airports (I'm out in Hagerstown so all 3 are about equal for me) gives me many more options as far as arrival and departure times.

As an example I can fly out of Baltimore, and be in Moab by about 7:30 on the the 7th (I want to be there by lunch time on the 8th, and there are no flights from the Washington area arriving on the 8th that make that a possibility from either Grand Junction or Salt Lake City) with either a 2 hour drive from Grand Junction or a 4 hour drive from Salt Lake City. I'm also thinking that the larger size of Salt Lake City will make rental cars etc. easier to get.

On the return side in a post here (http://www.dgrin.com/showpost.php?p=717757&postcount=145) DavidTO states that the hotels reservation includes the 11th, with checkout on the 12th, so I'm looking to leave sometime on the 12th. If I'm flying out of Salt Lake City I can get a cost competitive flight that allows me stay in Moab until 10:30 or so that morning. If I fly out of Grand Junction, unless I want to spend an extra 50% on airfare I'm looking at having to be out of Moab by around 9:00 am to catch a flight in Grand Junction.

I was looking a flight information a few weeks ago, maybe a little more, and decided to hold off since SouthWest hasn't started selling tickets in that time frame yet. According to their website they are supposed to release those tickets on April 17th, and I'm thinking that I'm going to move fairly quickly after that to lock in my travel plans.

[greenpea]

Here are my initial observations based on some flight searches and other comments. Grand Junction is about 2 hours from Moab, Salt Lake City is about 4. Flying into Salt Lake City from the Baltimore/Washington airports (I'm out in Hagerstown so all 3 are about equal for me) gives me many more options as far as arrival and departure times.

As an example I can fly out of Baltimore, and be in Moab by about 7:30 on the the 7th (I want to be there by lunch time on the 8th, and there are no flights from the Washington area arriving on the 8th that make that a possibility from either Grand Junction or Salt Lake City) with either a 2 hour drive from Grand Junction or a 4 hour drive from Salt Lake City. I'm also thinking that the larger size of Salt Lake City will make rental cars etc. easier to get.

On the return side in a post here (http://www.dgrin.com/showpost.php?p=717757&postcount=145) DavidTO states that the hotels reservation includes the 11th, with checkout on the 12th, so I'm looking to leave sometime on the 12th. If I'm flying out of Salt Lake City I can get a cost competitive flight that allows me stay in Moab until 10:30 or so that morning. If I fly out of Grand Junction, unless I want to spend an extra 50% on airfare I'm looking at having to be out of Moab by around 9:00 am to catch a flight in Grand Junction.

I was looking a flight information a few weeks ago, maybe a little more, and decided to hold off since SouthWest hasn't started selling tickets in that time frame yet. According to their website they are supposed to release those tickets on April 17th, and I'm thinking that I'm going to move fairly quickly after that to lock in my travel plans.

I say relax, your over thinking this...

Give yourself some extra time to check out the southwest; and if you want the cheapest airfare the day to fly is Tuesdays (not sure why). So if you want the cheapest airfare, fly into Salt Lake City on the 7th, stay the night there have a nice dinner, then drive to Moab the next morning abd spend a couple days checking out the Southwest and and fly out of Salt Lake city on 14th. :D

[Phyxius]

I say relax, your over thinking this...

Give yourself some extra time to check out the southwest; and if you want the cheapest airfare the day to fly is Tuesdays (not sure why). So if you want the cheapest airfare, fly into Salt Lake City on the 7th, stay the night there have a nice dinner, then drive to Moab the next morning abd spend a couple days checking out the Southwest and and fly out of Salt Lake city on 14th. :D

Mmm kay...you're a good trip planner...I have 10 week days + week ends...and if needed 2 extra days I can "spend". I need to spend three days in Vegas, but the rest is FREE!!! Do we have our preshoot planned? (I know...preshoot thread...) I probably won't be able to travel to or from MD with anyone since I'm arriving SOMEWHERE earlier and leaving later. *sniff*

I can't wait though. That calculator says 139 days, REALLY? HolyMoly.

[ivar]

I'm already so EXCITED :barb

[devbobo]

I'm already so EXCITED :barb

w00p :D

[Llywellyn]

I didn't realize quite a few MD folks were going out there. I'm in Alexandria, but I'll sometimes fly out of BWI for the cheaper fare. Wouldn't mind coordinating flights, but I'm more concerned with the drive after arrival. :D The first post in this thread mentions arranging carpools, but I wasn't sure how that worked since this is my first one of these. :clap

So it looks like no hotel in Moab for night of the 7th, but we do have it the night of the 11th. Helpful to know. :thumb

[LizardRanch]

So I just joined SM (I haven't even uploaded pictures yet) and boom I find out about this shoot. It says that you are full, what exactly does that mean? By that I mean, I actually am building a cabin (the LizardRanch) just a stone's throw from the Red Cliffs lodge, so it's not like I need lodging or even meals. I don't know if I can make it down for the whole thing but I would like to attend some of the workshops if I could. As a semi-local I know a few places to take pictures off the tourist track (the Golden Staircase and Parriot Mesa can be hiked from Red Cliffs), so even if I can't attend a seminar I wouldn't mind giving suggestion/help as to what there is to do/see.

So is there a chance on attending any of this or should I put my name on the waitlist and see?

Thanks,

[DavidTO]

So I just joined SM (I haven't even uploaded pictures yet) and boom I find out about this shoot. It says that you are full, what exactly does that mean? By that I mean, I actually am building a cabin (the LizardRanch) just a stone's throw from the Red Cliffs lodge, so it's not like I need lodging or even meals. I don't know if I can make it down for the whole thing but I would like to attend some of the workshops if I could. As a semi-local I know a few places to take pictures off the tourist track (the Golden Staircase and Parriot Mesa can be hiked from Red Cliffs), so even if I can't attend a seminar I wouldn't mind giving suggestion/help as to what there is to do/see.

So is there a chance on attending any of this or should I put my name on the waitlist and see?

Thanks,


Your only option at this point is the waitlist. We're already overfull, and we've got 25+ on the waiting list. Wish I had a better answer for you.

[anwmn1]

So I just joined SM (I haven't even uploaded pictures yet) and boom I find out about this shoot. It says that you are full, what exactly does that mean? By that I mean, I actually am building a cabin (the LizardRanch) just a stone's throw from the Red Cliffs lodge, so it's not like I need lodging or even meals. I don't know if I can make it down for the whole thing but I would like to attend some of the workshops if I could. As a semi-local I know a few places to take pictures off the tourist track (the Golden Staircase and Parriot Mesa can be hiked from Red Cliffs), so even if I can't attend a seminar I wouldn't mind giving suggestion/help as to what there is to do/see.

So is there a chance on attending any of this or should I put my name on the waitlist and see?

Thanks,

As someone that has not been in that area I would love to hear your suggestions of places to shoot and which direction they face- better to shoot at sunrise or sunset.:deal

Sorry you can't join in on the shoot - this one filled up REALLY fast!

[LizardRanch]

DavidTO,

Are you the David to put me on the waitlist? If so, I might as well get on the list.

In the meantime I'll keep tabs on this thread. Let me know if I can help out with any info on the area.

Also, is there a list of future events like this that I can keep an eye out for so I'm not a johnny come lately on stuff like this?

[DavidTO]

DavidTO,

Are you the David to put me on the waitlist? If so, I might as well get on the list.

In the meantime I'll keep tabs on this thread. Let me know if I can help out with any info on the area.

Also, is there a list of future events like this that I can keep an eye out for so I'm not a johnny come lately on stuff like this?


Yes, I am. I hate to be a PITA, but please send me an email with your request. It's how I keep track of it all. :deal

[LizardRanch]

As someone that has not been in that area I would love to hear your suggestions of places to shoot and which direction they face- better to shoot at sunrise or sunset.:deal

Sorry you can't join in on the shoot - this one filled up REALLY fast!

anwmn1,

Wow that really depends. It's a big country out here. The two places I mentioned above have 360 views so it's your call, but both of them are strenuous hikes. One thing that you really need to consider is will you be driving to the spot or hiking, and if hiking, how strenuous can you deal with. October is the best time of year to be here, but be aware that this is also the absolute peak mountain biking season as well, this may present some great opportunities to photograph bikers (Slickrock Trail, Gymnasium, etc.) but may spoil others. I generally prefer mornings as the haze can really build up throughout the day, and don't worry if you are not a hiker, there are billions of spots that you can take incredible pictures from right from your car (the best picture of a Cottonwood I've ever taken was right on the bridge over Courthouse wash while driving my girlfreinds parents through Arches)

[BeemerChef]

So I just joined SM (I haven't even uploaded pictures yet) and boom I find out about this shoot. It says that you are full, what exactly does that mean? By that I mean, I actually am building a cabin (the LizardRanch) just a stone's throw from the Red Cliffs lodge, so it's not like I need lodging or even meals. I don't know if I can make it down for the whole thing but I would like to attend some of the workshops if I could. As a semi-local I know a few places to take pictures off the tourist track (the Golden Staircase and Parriot Mesa can be hiked from Red Cliffs), so even if I can't attend a seminar I wouldn't mind giving suggestion/help as to what there is to do/see.

So is there a chance on attending any of this or should I put my name on the waitlist and see?

Thanks,

Nice to see a local here... we have been gere a month now... you might have seen us in town (motorcycle with sidecar with Spirit ridng in it).
Check www.theoasisofmysoul.com (http://www.theoasisofmysoul.com)
PM me if you want to get together...
Be well... Ara & Spirit

[LizardRanch]

Nice to see a local here... we have been gere a month now... you might have seen us in town (motorcycle with sidecar with Spirit ridng in it).
Check www.theoasisofmysoul.com (http://www.theoasisofmysoul.com)
PM me if you want to get together...
Be well... Ara & Spirit

Ara &Spirit,

I haven't been around Moab for the last few months so I haven't spotted you in town. I have been in and out of Moab a lot. Was first there in the early 80's (pre mountain bike era). Check out the Popular Place Pub, I helped Craig refurbish the place after it burned down but don't hang out there much since Craig and Sheron left the business.

I looked at your website a bit and it seems you have hit some good areas. You should also checkout Onion Creek road and drive up to the ranch. This is one of my favorite road trips and I mountain bike this a lot in the summer (be aware though there are half a dozen stream crossings, but you can do them even in a Cadillac). Great pictures up that road, and also at Fisher Towers (but that is an advanced beginner hike). Both Onion Creek and Fisher Towers are just a few miles from Red Cliffs lodge (much closer than Arches). Also another MUST DO drive, if you are around when the snow melts) is the La Salle loop road (go in from Castle Valley rather than Moab, more dramatic that way) They don't plow it so check with one of the mountain bike or outdoor shops to find out if it is passable. It will be great in October, aspens changing color, snow possible, all looking down on what we lovingly refer to as the "stinking desert" Another good thing to check out, believe it or not is the town dump. It has the best view of the La Sal mountiains looking over nice redrock fins to snow covered mountains. The Moab dump came in second in a competition for the worlds most scenic dumps. I believe Kauai came in first but I think Moab was robbed. It really is an incredible site.

And if all that beautiful natural scenery is getting you down, check out Tom Tom's VW museum. I'ts actually a junk yard for VWs, but Tom and the yard are two unforgettable characters in Moab. The place is like from a hollywood movie, crusty old codger with lots of stories to tell. I haven't seen Tom in ages, not since I sold my VW. I'm hoping he is still around, don't miss a chance to see a western legend and (I hestitate to call it) the junkyard, it is more of a sculpture in previously used automobile components.

There is no other place on earth like Moab.

[BeemerChef]

Thanks for ll the info... We will be back in about 2 weeks after fixing my rig!

Be well... Ara & Spirit

[ivar]

from the first post:

http://img.skitch.com/20080406-c74rsmjjcmhdtc7dn7u92x5xex.jpg

:jawdrop

[DavidTO]

from the first post:

http://img.skitch.com/20080406-c74rsmjjcmhdtc7dn7u92x5xex.jpg

:jawdrop


Actually, I've got to update that, it's currently 79. Total including the waiting list, 111.

[ivar]

Are there any locals from the MOAB area around here? or people that know the area well (non-photography-wise)?

[DoctorIt]

Are there any locals from the MOAB area around here? or people that know the area well (non-photography-wise)?Look up a few posts mate (newcomer LizardRanch). :D

[devbobo]

Look up a few posts mate (newcomer LizardRanch). :D

it's cuz he has taken those stupid glasses off :lol3 :lol3

[LizardRanch]

Are there any locals from the MOAB area around here? or people that know the area well (non-photography-wise)?

What's the scoop Ivar? What non-photography stuff do you want to know about? I've been in and out of this town since before the invention of the mountain bike.

Since I couldn't get into the shootout :cry I've been hanging around this thread as well :
http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=75655&page=4
of people doing stuff pre and post. You might want to peruse that as well.

[greenpea]

want more photographic inspiration? order the free utah tourist guide. I just got mine in the mail, its got a number of David & Marc Muench's pictures in it! :D

I think I got it here http://utah.travel/request-travel-guide/

[BeemerChef]

want more photographic inspiration? order the free utah tourist guide. I just got mine in the mail, its got a number of David & Marc Muench's pictures in it! :D

I think I got it here http://utah.travel/request-travel-guide/

You can also check the pictures here... (http://theoasisofmysoul.com/)been in the area 50 days now, Moab, Gooseneck, Valley of the Gods (tonight!... the 5th night), Muley Point... you name it!
Enjoy...
Ara & Spirit

[davev]

Thought that I'd bring this to the top.

Just a reminder to everyone. The July 15th date for a refund is coming up quickly, so make sure
you have that vacation taken off and are ready to roll. Less than 3 months to go.

Hoping to see a bunch of old friends, and to meet a some new ones.

[greenpea]

Thought that I'd bring this to the top.

Just a reminder to everyone. The July 15th date for a refund is coming up quickly, so make sure
you have that vacation taken off and are ready to roll. Less than 3 months to go.

Hoping to see a bunch of old friends, and to meet a some new ones.

Plane tickets purchased, pre-shootout motel reservations have been made, only thing left to do is to reserve the rental car, buy a fisheye lens, and dig out the smugmug hat!
:barb

[BeachBill]

The lodge is reserved 10/08-10/11. Which means that checkout is on the 12th.

What is scheduled for the 8th, if anything?

My time-off availability is now very limited so I need to know at what time we will be starting on the 8th and for that matter, if there is anything planned for the 12th.

[DavidTO]

What is scheduled for the 8th, if anything?

My time-off availability is now very limited so I need to know at what time we will be starting on the 8th and for that matter, if there is anything planned for the 12th.


Nothing is scheduled yet, that's still a work in progress. Generally the first day is a loose get together. Plan on the serious schmoozing and strategizing happening in the late afternoon/early evening.

Last day there might be something in the morning, but not much really, at least officially.

Clear?

[BeachBill]

Nothing is scheduled yet, that's still a work in progress. Generally the first day is a loose get together. Plan on the serious schmoozing and strategizing happening in the late afternoon/early evening.

Last day there might be something in the morning, but not much really, at least officially.

Clear?

Sounds good. That means I should be able to plan on arriving between 2 and 3pm on the 8th and then return home late Sunday afternoon.

I've got a seven hour drive from Vegas and I lose an hour on the way there, but I get it back when I return home. :rolleyes

Thanks.

[Andy]

and dig out the smugmug hat!
:barb

wtf dig out?

[greenpea]

wtf dig out?

um... I mean... I'm wearing it now :rolleyes

[gluwater]

Nothing is scheduled yet, that's still a work in progress. Generally the first day is a loose get together. Plan on the serious schmoozing and strategizing happening in the late afternoon/early evening.

Last day there might be something in the morning, but not much really, at least officially.

Clear? The first day does something like this:

Arrive at the hotel and find Andy. Andy proceeds to take a nap.
You meet a bunch of people and get to know their names. Andy comes back and eats lunch. Andy takes another nap.
You've forgotten everyone's name but know they are in the group because they have red hats on. Andy wakes up and checks more people in.
Time for dinner and you've learned enough about who you are rooming with to know you should buy some earplugs. Andy takes another nap.
Everyone mills around the lounge area. Andy wakes up. Mac people on one side, PC on the other. You've said "and what's your name again?" about 1200 times and still can't remember anyone's name.
A plan is made for the morning and everyone dispurses. Somehow Andy is still tired and goes to sleep.
You get to your room just in time for your roomate to start snoring and you've forgotten his name and the earplugs.
You have to get up in 4 hours for a sunrise shoot and finally realized what you've gotten yourself into.

Sound about right?

Oh yeah David is right, there is a lot of Schmoozing, especially with Schmoo. Just remember that she loves having her picture taken. She likes to play this game where she pretends to hide from you though. :smo

[schmoo]

Just remember that she loves having her picture taken. She likes to play this game where she pretends to hide from you though. :smo
Hey now. :toni

[Andy]

Hey now. :toni

Example:

http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/202712929_4SsU6-L-1.jpg

but then, there's the rare sighting:

http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/202715345_UwABD-L-1.jpg

[Nikolai]

The first day does something like this:

Arrive at the hotel and find Andy. Andy proceeds to take a nap.
You meet a bunch of people and get to know their names. Andy comes back and eats lunch. Andy takes another nap.
You've forgotten everyone's name but know they are in the group because they have red hats on. Andy wakes up and checks more people in.
Time for dinner and you've learned enough about who you are rooming with to know you should buy some earplugs. Andy takes another nap.
Everyone mills around the lounge area. Andy wakes up. Mac people on one side, PC on the other. You've said "and what's your name again?" about 1200 times and still can't remember anyone's name.
A plan is made for the morning and everyone dispurses. Somehow Andy is still tired and goes to sleep.
You get to your room just in time for your roomate to start snoring and you've forgotten his name and the earplugs.
You have to get up in 4 hours for a sunrise shoot and finally realized what you've gotten yourself into.

Sound about right?

Oh yeah David is right, there is a lot of Schmoozing, especially with Schmoo. Just remember that she loves having her picture taken. She likes to play this game where she pretends to hide from you though. :smo

Fantastically accurate description of everything! :thumb
Especially considering I was Nick's snoring roommate :rofl

[Andy]

Arrive at the hotel
Except for next year, if I have my way :evil

[Nikolai]

Except for next year, if I have my way :evil
Cruise ship in Alaska? Or a house boat on Lake Powell?? :huh :clap

[Andy]

Cruise ship in Alaska? Or a house boat on Lake Powell?? :huh :clap
You will have to wait and see.

[Nikolai]

You will have to wait and see.
Teaser...:rolleyes Oh wait, I am too :wink

[grimace]

Thought that I'd bring this to the top.

Just a reminder to everyone. The July 15th date for a refund is coming up quickly, so make sure
you have that vacation taken off and are ready to roll. Less than 3 months to go.

Hoping to see a bunch of old friends, and to meet a some new ones.

OK, since the 7/15 deadline has come and gone, is there a new updated roster? :dunno

[DavidTO]

OK, since the 7/15 deadline has come and gone, is there a new updated roster? :dunno


Yeah. But I need to find some time to work on it. Some time this weekend, and I'll make a post, too.

[brettcoon]

Travel: Fly to Grand Junction, or other nearby cities (http://redcliffslodge.com/about-the-inn/directions.htm) and then drive to Moab. We will be arranging for shared rides and rental cars, and participants will be splitting the cost of rentals/fuel. There will be information threads posted on travel and cars as the Shootout draws nearer.

My wife is "encouraging" me to hurry up and make my reservations before airfare gets any more expensive, so I can't procrastinate much longer. Have any travel details been posted that I missed?

I'm trying to decide whether to fly into Salt Lake City (SLC) or Grand Junction (GJT). Either choice will likely require me to rent a car to get to Moab. Car rental in Grand Junction appears to be crazy expensive ($100/day versus $25/day), so at the moment I'm leaning pretty strongly towards SLC. Anyone else planning to fly into SLC on 10/8 and return from SLC on 10/12, who'd like to split transportation costs to/from Moab?

The above mention of shared rides and rental cars being arranged makes me wonder if there's already a plan of some sort for this. No sense everyone renting cars to drive to Moab if more cars are being rented for local travel.

-Brett

[Andy]

Car rental in Grand Junction appears to be crazy expensive ($100/day versus $25/day)
I just got an SUV for a week, and it was $450 all in, unlimited mileage etc etc....

[Llywellyn]

I just got an SUV for a week, and it was $450 all in, unlimited mileage etc etc....

You flying in to Grand Junction...and looking for passengers? :wink

Got my flight all set, just waiting to work out the car/ride-hitching details. :D

[Andy]

You flying in to Grand Junction...and looking for passengers? :wink

Got my flight all set, just waiting to work out the car/ride-hitching details. :D
possible, I'll pm you

[DavidTO]

I've updated the first post with the current attendee list.

There are a couple of emails out to waitlisters.

If your email is b0rked, I'm NOT hunting you down, but moving on to the next contestant. :deal

[ellarue]

:(: :(: :(: :(: :(:

I am sooo sad! I really want to go but it falls on a day that I MUST be in school. If this weren't my graduating quarter, I'd so be there.


Will it be this same time next year?

[DavidTO]

:(: :(: :(: :(: :(:

I am sooo sad! I really want to go but it falls on a day that I MUST be in school. If this weren't my graduating quarter, I'd so be there.


Will it be this same time next year?


Ellarue,

We haven't set the date for next year. The chances of it being the same date are very slim!

Anyway, cheer up. At this late date our waiting list is so long there's little chance that you'd get in, anyway. Does that help? :D

[ellarue]

Ellarue,

We haven't set the date for next year. The chances of it being the same date are very slim!

Anyway, cheer up. At this late date our waiting list is so long there's little chance that you'd get in, anyway. Does that help? :D

lil' bit. :rolleyes

I've developed a strong attachment to my smugmuggy and I really wish I could be part of this!

[jamesl]

Well, I had to pull out of the shootout this year. :cry I have a major project at work that is going live during the trip window. I will sure miss not meeting all of you there! I hope you have a great time.

I still plan on getting up into that area for some shooting. I am trying to go either the week before or the week after.

James

[Phyxius]

Is anyone flying into or out of Vegas?






Is it October yet? :):

[DavidTO]

Is anyone flying into or out of Vegas?






Is it October yet? :):


Christina,

Check out the Transportation Thread (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=877963). :thumb

[schmoo]

Well, I had to pull out of the shootout this year. :cry I have a major project at work that is going live during the trip window. I will sure miss not meeting all of you there! I hope you have a great time.

I still plan on getting up into that area for some shooting. I am trying to go either the week before or the week after.

James

:(: Now that's just not fair. I was really looking forward to picking your brains about your storm chasing abilities!

[jamesl]

:(: Now that's just not fair. I was really looking forward to picking your brains about your storm chasing abilities!

Yeah, I'm sorry. :( I was looking forward to talking shop with you too. It will have to be another time.

James

[Swartzy]

Rats rats rats rats......only moved up a few slots on the waiting list....hmmm...well Grimace & I are driving that way anyway the week before shooting Colorado, NM, AZ, UT then he takes me to the airport while you guys shoot more cool stuff. Is it alright to post the Pre-shootout shots I take leading into those dates?..LOL. I can't believe there isn't room for one more :cry:cry:cry:cry Sure would be nice to meet you guys in person....finally.

[davev]

OK, does anyone have a better picture of this so I know which arch they're talking about?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080810/ap_on_re_us/arch_collapses

[iChinchillabutt]

.

[denisegoldberg]

OK, does anyone have a better picture of this so I know which arch they're talking about?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080810/ap_on_re_us/arch_collapses
It's the same picture of the arch before the collapse, but the National Park Service news release shows both a before and after photo:
http://www.nps.gov/arch/parknews/news080808.htm

--- Denise

[cwphotos]

:cry That sucks...... Something lost forever and I wont get to see it....

[schmoo]

I've updated the first post with the most current attendee information. Holler if something doesn't jive! :thumb

[ivar]

Only a few more weeks! :deal :lust :clap :smo :ivar :barb

[grimace]

:cry That sucks...... Something lost forever and I wont get to see it....

Not to worry, there's 1,999 other ones to see.

"It ranked 12th in size among the over 2,000 known arches in the park."

[Phyxius]

Only a few more weeks! :deal :lust :clap :smo :ivar :barb

:smo:smo:smo:smo:smo

oh dear jumping schmoo is making me dizzy. :rofl I'm so excited!

[grimace]

If your name is Davev, your in the hospital get a knee replacement for the big hike!!

"We gotta get out of this place if it's the last thing we ever do" - The Animals
http://adam.smugmug.com/photos/356448893_dsQhq-XL.jpg

[gluwater]

If your name is Davev, your in the hospital get a knee replacement for the big hike!!

"We gotta get out of this place if it's the last thing we ever do" - The Animals

Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. Better than he was before. Better, stronger, faster.

Good luck on the recovery Dave. You better not punk out and let a little knee surgery stop you from attending.

[Nikolai]

If your name is Davev, your in the hospital get a knee replacement for the big hike!!

Dave, man, get better soon! :lust

[Ann McRae]

If your name is Davev, your in the hospital get a knee replacement for the big hike!!

"We gotta get out of this place if it's the last thing we ever do" - The Animals


OMG, Davev! You are one of the toughest guys I know, (and not just to look at :rofl ) so I am sure you can manage a 6 week recovery - but, but, but was this in the plan?


I sure hope everything goes well and that you recover quickly enough to go on the shootout. In the meantime, take it easy on Kate, okay?!!

Best wishes Davev!!!!

ann

[schmoo]

Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. Better than he was before. Better, stronger, faster.

:rofl :lol4

But I agree with Nick's sentiment 100%. See you there, Dave!! :smo

[grimace]

In the meantime, take it easy on Kate, okay?!!

Ann, I think you got it reversed. Every time Davev acts up Kate does something to his IV.
http://adam.smugmug.com/photos/356467789_zDrTV-XL.jpg

She says it helps calm him down but all I notice are the weird faces he makes and his plea for a doctor followed by a cry for a good lawyer.
http://adam.smugmug.com/photos/356467824_SspFn-XL.jpg

http://adam.smugmug.com/photos/356467755_wc6dP-XL.jpg

[davev]

Thanks for the well wishes guys.

This wasn't really in the plan, but I knew that I was going to need a new knee someday.
It's amazing how fast someday got here.:D

Kate and I will be there, even if I end up just shooting from near the truck.

I was hoping to have had this done in July, but the doctor was busy so it happened when it did.

At least we aren't going across any international borders this year.
With all the drugs I'll be carrying, I'd be in jail for a long time.

Thanks again, and see ya soon.

[Awais Yaqub]

Oh man i never knew that you are in hospital. Get well soon !
cheers

[Phyxius]

Thanks for the well wishes guys.

This wasn't really in the plan, but I knew that I was going to need a new knee someday.
It's amazing how fast someday got here.:D

Kate and I will be there, even if I end up just shooting from near the truck.

I was hoping to have had this done in July, but the doctor was busy so it happened when it did.

At least we aren't going across any international borders this year.
With all the drugs I'll be carrying, I'd be in jail for a long time.

Thanks again, and see ya soon.

I remember talking about this at dinner when you guys came to DC. As that waiter said (and my own mother who has had both replaced) once you get it done you're so much happier. It may not seem all that great the first couple of days when they're making you stand and walk right away, but once it heels...woo wee!

Here's hoping for a speedy and uneventful recovery!:thumb

[Skippy]

All the Best Dave, my mother also had a knee replacement this year.
She had a bit of trouble only for the first couple of weeks, but now she's doing just great.

My ribs are still not mended since I broke them 6 weeks ago,
I still haven't attempted to put a backpack on, I'll just cut back on luggage and camera gear if things are still bothering me when the time comes.

Got 6 weeks up my sleeve.
Looking forward to seeing you folks again soon.

All the Best Dave :thumb .... Skippy :D
.

[davev]

All the Best Dave, my mother also had a knee replacement this year.
She had a bit of trouble only for the first couple of weeks, but now she's doing just great.

My ribs are still not mended since I broke them 6 weeks ago,
I still haven't attempted to put a backpack on, I'll just cut back on luggage and camera gear if things are still bothering me when the time comes.

Got 6 weeks up my sleeve.
Looking forward to seeing you folks again soon.

All the Best Dave :thumb .... Skippy :D
.

Skippy, I'm so sorry to hear about your ribs.
If we have to, we'll make Nick be your sherpa. He's good at it.:D

If you can whittle down your equipment, I have a KATA waist pack that you could use. It works pretty well.
It made the trip with me to Angel's Landing in Zion.

It can hold up to 3 lenses, or a camera body with 2 lenses, spare batteries, memory cards, and maybe even a filter.
I'll have it along with me, if you need it, just say the word.

It looks like this:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/largeimages/316847.jpg

[Nikolai]

My ribs are still not mended since I broke them 6 weeks ago,
I still haven't attempted to put a backpack on, I'll just cut back on luggage and camera gear if things are still bothering me when the time comes.
.
Ouch, Maxine, sorry to hear that. :cry
Luckily, as you remember from our 2006 trip, the whole Arches/Canyonlands area is fairly accessible by car, I don't expect long exhausting hikes with large altitude gain.
Get better, and see you soon:-) :thumb

[gluwater]

Skippy, I'm so sorry to hear about your ribs.
If we have to, we'll make Nick be your sherpa. He's good at it.:D
Oh boy! I better start working out :lift:whew.

Don't worry you two. We'll take care of you and make sure you make it where you want to go.

[gluwater]

I sure hope everything goes well and that you recover quickly enough to go on the shootout. In the meantime, take it easy on Kate, okay?!!
ann Are you kidding? Take it easy on Kate? She's way tougher than Dave is. I mean she's had to deal with him all these years. She's got to be one of the toughest girls on the planet to deal with that.


:hide

[Ann McRae]

Are you kidding? Take it easy on Kate? She's way tougher than Dave is. I mean she's had to deal with him all these years. She's got to be one of the toughest girls on the planet to deal with that.


:hide

Exactly my point. Everyone has a breaking point NIck, and ya know, we gals just wait for those vulnerable moments to make amends (take revenge?:D ). I'm just saying that ole Davev better not get outta hand or, well, we've seen the IV bag photo now haven't we!
:rofl

[davev]

Are you kidding? Take it easy on Kate? She's way tougher than Dave is. I mean she's had to deal with him all these years. She's got to be one of the toughest girls on the planet to deal with that. :hide


To deal with "THAT".
You're gaining points kid, or are you just trying to sweet talk Kate into making cookies for the trip?:dunno

[Ann McRae]

Well, I feel like a chump! Broken ribs can't stop skippy, and a new knee won't prevent Davev from going on the shootout, but my kid has stopped me :cry

Sigh - my oldest son's soccer team won the provincial championship today. Hurray! This is their last year of youth soccer and a great accomplishment and finale to their youth! Sadly, nationals are the same week as the shootout, in Ontario. I cannot be both places at the same time, and those that know me know I am a soccer mom.........


Hopefully, fingers crossed, I will make another shootout! Have a blast everyone, and have a 'Polygamists Pilsner' on me!

ann

[Nikolai]

Well, I feel like a chump! Broken ribs can't stop skippy, and a new knee won't prevent Davev from going on the shootout, but my kid has stopped me :cry

Sigh - my oldest son's soccer team won the provincial championship today. Hurray! This is their last year of youth soccer and a great accomplishment and finale to their youth! Sadly, nationals are the same week as the shootout, in Ontario. I cannot be both places at the same time, and those that know me know I am a soccer mom.........


Hopefully, fingers crossed, I will make another shootout! Have a blast everyone, and have a 'Polygamists Pilsner' on me!

ann
Oh, Ann, come on, you can't miss Utah, even being a soccer mom... :deal :lust

[davev]

Well, I feel like a chump! Broken ribs can't stop skippy, and a new knee won't prevent Davev from going on the shootout, but my kid has stopped me :cry

Sigh - my oldest son's soccer team won the provincial championship today. Hurray! This is their last year of youth soccer and a great accomplishment and finale to their youth! Sadly, nationals are the same week as the shootout, in Ontario. I cannot be both places at the same time, and those that know me know I am a soccer mom.........


Hopefully, fingers crossed, I will make another shootout! Have a blast everyone, and have a 'Polygamists Pilsner' on me!

ann

Those darn kids screw up everything.
Although we don't get to see our favorite Canadian, we're glad the kid's team won.
Congratulate the kid from Kate and I, and we'll see you at some later date.
How many more of your kids are in soccer?
I hope there not as good as their brother.:D

[Ann McRae]

Oh, Ann, come on, you can't miss Utah, even being a soccer mom... :deal :lust

Sigh! Nik, it is sad but true...
If the kid is in Ontario, then there is no one here to stay with the othe