AMA Grand National Dirt Track Motorcycle Racing

[amadeus]

AMA Grand National Dirt Track is motorcycle racings, in my opinion, in some ways, depending who you ask, considering all the facts, equivalent to auto racings NASCAR. Maybe not but it doesn't really matter. At the end of the season, somebody wins a #1 plate, so right there I shoot my own argument out the window becasue in NASCAR even though you win you keep the same number on your car. Unless your step mother owns the car then you have to give it up. But anyway, Dirt Track is run on..dirt tracks, usually 1/2 mile and miles. The tracks are not paved, hence the dirt track is in fact acurate. Rather than watch Bill Belichick the cheater on NBC tonight I'm goign to post some pictures form last nights round 17 of 18 of the AMA's Grand NAtional series held in Monticello NY on a horse track, that just happend to be dirt. Armed with my new D40 and my trust Canon A95 I ventured up to Sullivan County to see why people would want to spend a day running a motorcycle with no front brake at high speeds into corners with less than ideal traction. The first thing I noticed was that my sons 300 zoom Nikon lens did not work with the D40's autofocus. no problem I got game. However, shooting dirt track is no easy task, ecspecially after the sun goes down if you don't know your camera. But we do what we can and let the chips fall where they may. I uploaded only oics today I want to comment on so this may be a long thread. It just truns left every 1/4 mile.

We'll try to keep these in somewhat of the order they were taken. We got there at 4 pm, practice was still going on. First lesson learned is know the event. If I'd have gotten there a few hours earlier I could have had hours of shooting in strong sunlight but again, we do our best.

Welcome to Monticello Raceway. I haadn't been there since the first Leonard/duran fight back when if you wanted to see fights like that you went to a place like a horse track. No mas!

Oh well out of sequence already, taken closer to 6pm. :scratch

But I wanted to post this one first. :D

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[amadeus]

ok turn the clock back to 4pm and some shots from the practice sessions. entering turn 1 of 4 at speed.

great shots? no. but it was a learnign experience.

Last years #1 plate winner and likely to repeat in 2007 Kenny Coolbeth.

http://nachtflug.smugmug.com/photos/196308412-L.jpg

[amadeus]

pretty hard to describe this. they come flying down the straight and start to lay it down before they even enter the turn. by the time they are in the turn it is just man (or woman) against machine and the track. when it all goes right it is pure poetry in motion. they speeds they carry on the straights on this track were probably in the 80-90 mph range. they don't brake, they just pitch it in and turn with the throttle.

ps. these pics look better bigger but only large will fit here.



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[amadeus]

I think at this point I had already switched to my 200 zoom since I knew it would autofocus. the front straight heading into turn 1.

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[amadeus]

once practice was over you were allowed into the pits. If I had bought the $30 ticket instead of the $25 ticket I could have been in the pits during practice which would have allowed me to get good shots exiting turn 4, the final turn before the front straight. Keep in ind this is only an oval track, 5/8 mile. but no matter once in the pits I thoroughly enjoyed checking out the bikes. it was kind of hard not to.

Chris Carr won the Grand National Championship #1 plate 7 times. Thats why he gets a big truck. but to be honest I think the Canon got a better shot.

taken maybe an hour apart, maybe the Nikon was dealing with more "shaded light".

Both taken on Auto.

Nikon.

http://nachtflug.smugmug.com/photos/196314402-L.jpg

Canon.

http://nachtflug.smugmug.com/photos/196292060-L.jpg

[amadeus]

Back to somewhat prope order as I wandered thru the pits. The Canon didn't come out for awhile but I wanted to compare.

Smokin Joe Kopp's #3 Harleys. Smokin Joe actually won the #1 plate in 2000 despite all of the Y2K computer glitches that never materialized to distract him.

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[amadeus]

Dirt Track used to be a Harley only game, until the British came along in the 50's, but since they give all their money to the queen and prince charles for reasons nobody can seem to explain, BSA and Triumph went out of business in the 70's and then it was Harely only again till Honda got bored and won it back to back in the 80's and then left dirt track for HArley to fight Harely for, until now that we actually have Suzuki's and Yamaha's and even an Aprilia. Nore information then you need to know but its my thread not yours so deal with it.

A Suzuki in the shade.

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[amadeus]

A Bartels Harley Harley and some idiots shadow.

1st dpwn Patriots. :D

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[amadeus]

Sweetest bike in the house. Though I'm not happy with the shot. I think I learned I may start using manual focus in the futire.

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[amadeus]

Blue Springs Harleys Blue Harleys.

The long shadows may offer some clue as to the tricky lighting that was..being lit? :dunno

I think this pic should be sharper.

http://nachtflug.smugmug.com/photos/196315177-L.jpg

[amadeus]

I probably wouln't have uploaded and posted this until I realized I had caught #89 cheating by running #23's bike. :scratch

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[amadeus]

Another pic I'm not happy with. To much glare on the mechanic. I REALLY need to how to use this camera. They all cut chunks out of the tires though I don't know the specifics. that is what he is doing here.



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[amadeus]

How anyone thought they could get a Honda Cub to keep up with Dirt Track Harleys running racing fuel is beyond me.

I want a Honda Cub. Cool bike.

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[amadeus]

probably would have been a cool shot with a wide angle and without my shadow. :dgrin

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[amadeus]

quite a few of the riders were signing free mini posters of themselves for the fans. a lot of the riders are young, and small. as the Team Owner of 800 Fast Hog told me, weight is horespower. at this level every bit helps.

24-0 Patriots. As much as I don't like Bill Belichick I like Norv Turner less.

:deal

for future reference you can see his left foot has what they call a hot shoe on it. since they turn left, they use the left foot as an outrigger in the turns. they all wear it and its pretty neat hearing a one legged clang as they walk around.

the hot shoe fits over the regular boot.

you can buy one if you're in the market.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HOT-SHOE-STEEL-FOR-FLAT-TRACK-RACING_W0QQitemZ190153036847QQihZ009QQcategoryZ343 55QQcmdZViewItem


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[amadeus]

Old School. One bike. One van.

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[amadeus]

I think the reason the first shot had so many shadows was a vehicle might have been there. I found this one uncluttered on the second pass. It really looks better bigger but still not as crisp as I'd like. I think manual focus is definitely an option in the future for non action shots.

http://nachtflug.smugmug.com/photos/196316620-L.jpg

[amadeus]

I guess if nothing else this shot is to prove once and for all that you can if for some strange reason you want to, race with a new Triumph.

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[amadeus]

Team Aprilia's Aprilia's.

:deadhorse

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[amadeus]

you'll notice on the Aprilia they have a gear shift lever on the left side of the bike. On the Harleys there is nothing. Rear brake and shift lever are both on the right. :huh

[amadeus]

more Blue Springs Harleys Harleys.

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[amadeus]

7 time Grand National Champ Chris Carr.

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[amadeus]

another shot I'm not happy with. the camera seems to have relegated the sky to pure white. It wasn't.

the hand truck holds the standard starter and battery like a big fuel drag car.

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[amadeus]

Smokin Joe Kopp.

You can see the chunks on the ground from the mechanic carving the tire up which he is in the process of doing.

http://nachtflug.smugmug.com/photos/196318271-L.jpg

[amadeus]

last one for the night. we'll call it a trick shot for lack of a better term.

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[amadeus]

thanks for all the comments and encouragement! to answer a few of the questions.

1. the reason they don't pave the tracks, is that if they did, the dirt track tires would squeal and make screeching noises in the corners and on the straights at higher speeds would actually whine. while Harley Davidsons have long been known for their uncanny life saving abilities by virtue of their loud pipes, nobody likes to listen to screeching and whining.

2. Why didn't Chris Carr win an 8th title? He claimed once the AMA pulled the claiming rule he could no longer compete without the BMW's being available.

3. What was Smokin Joe Kopp smoking? You'd have to ask him Jay.

OK moving right along. Cue up All the Young Dudes if it helps, I am.

Is that concrete all around?

Right then.

Trick photo, and none of you caught the trick. Well it really wasn't a trick but there was a bit of subtle subtrefuge, or is it subtreflug.

What. Ever. I wanted to do this for years.

So what is the trick in this picture friends? You there yes, you in the glasses. Do you know?

http://nachtflug.smugmug.com/photos/196318528-L.jpg

[amadeus]

ok well we have all night. I'm a patient man. lets look at some more pictures. the light was getting dimmer here but I'm pleased with this set of pics at this pit for 16x. of course spotless clean bikes always add depth and clarity as a focal point of prespective.

ayyy. you know I once grew my hair just to scare the teacher.

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[amadeus]

I took a lot of pics here because the angles just seemed to work, and now I also recall that the canopy had flourescent lights hanging which were making good light. Maybe thats why these came out good.

check out the bookworm.

http://nachtflug.smugmug.com/photos/196323557-L.jpg

[amadeus]

new front tire. tire warmers on the back. somebodies going for a ride. a Saturday night ride on the Harley with the boys. classic racing of an american classic.

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[amadeus]

yes one of the boys. I really like the solid heat shield on the pipes. and like I said earlier, the sharp eye will notice on the right side of the handlebar there is no front brake lever, because these bikes have no front brakes. brakes are for slowing down. maybe on asphalt but not on dirt track. these boys come to ride not pose.

I really like the the paint on Nicholes bike too. the sharp eye will note her name on the seat. :lust

bookworm indeed. :D

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[amadeus]

so yep thats the story Verne.

Nichole Cheza. 5'1" 115 pounds and all of 20 years old. In June. :huh

What can you say. I saw her heat and she ran a very respectalbe 3rd. She didn't do good in the Main Event but I don't think it was from lack of trying. I know some pretty manly men who wouldn't get on a bike with no front brake on a chilly saturday night in the Catskills and ride it 90 mph into a corner with 20 or so other riders with no front brakes and trying to win a race being their primary idea.

lifted from her website.

http://nachtflug.smugmug.com/photos/196323989-L.jpg

if you think you can ride a bike pretty good. you're probably wrong.

I am.

http://www.nicholecheza.com/

[amadeus]

so thats it. if nobody is impressed I am. the girl got 3rd in her heat and made it look easy. she was second for most of it. the last 2 of the daring damsel snagged later as she mingled with her fellow Grand National Dirt Track racers. Racers who like to take 750 Harleys burning racing fuel with half the brakes of normal bikes and run them up to 90mph or so on dirt and throw it sideways into a turn.

ps. they go a lot faster on the mile tracks. :eek1


can anybody cue up Sweet Jane?

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[HarveyMushman]

Sorry I missed all this as you were posting 'em up. Teaches me to go away for the weekend . . .

I almost went to this race, actually. Had media credentials and everything. But it was family-vacation weekend.

When I was at Hagerstown in July Sammy Sabedra (#11a, Expert Twins) was telling me he really looks forward to the NY round--it's a wide, fast cushion track.

[xtnomad]

Looks like you had lots of fun. And some nice shoots to boot. I just found a track close to me and looking forward to getting some of this type of action all so. :thumb

[amadeus]

Sorry I missed all this as you were posting 'em up. Teaches me to go away for the weekend . . .

I almost went to this race, actually. Had media credentials and everything. But it was family-vacation weekend.

When I was at Hagerstown in July Sammy Sabedra (#11a, Expert Twins) was telling me he really looks forward to the NY round--it's a wide, fast cushion track.

yo. you missed a good one but I'm looking forward to yours from the coming weekend. but I believe this was the first year at Monticello?

anyway I've got some more and I aim to post em.

once the races started it was pretty much dark. I had "lingered" in the pits and at 7pm they stopped open access to the pits but being there already nobody noticed my intrusion.

but the important thing was I had a birds eye view at turn one. track lights were on. I was armed with a DSLR and finally ready to unleash the full power of my new toy as opposed to a point and shoot.

sports setting. on.

focus check. roger.

the pack roared into turn one. and cinders flew as they exited turn 2.

as one they flew down the back straight and dove like men possessed into turn 3.

I had them right where I wanted them.

like ducks on a pond.

fish in a barrell.

come to papa.

ready....steady...

what was it trinity said?

dodge this.

[amadeus]

as soon as I looked down at the display I knew it was bad.

:huh


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[amadeus]

and just like that the pack passed by leaving me somewhat puzzled and bewildered. oops. I instantly knew that I was not ready to shoot on a "sports" setting. daytime? yes. nighttime at a distance under questionable lighting? no way.

but we do what we can. I wasn't in the mood to break out the directions and start experimenting. maybe even ask them to run a few more laps in each heat so I could prefect my adjustments.

I took a few more that looked like that. I switched to manual and opened the F stop and tried a faster shutter and got a few pics that looked like the inside of a can black paint. with the lid on. :dunno

[amadeus]

oh well. in desperation I remember reading somewhere about someone shooting with an aperture priority, I think the Steel City MX thread. what the heck I've got 2 gig of memory.

shooting totally clueless I got some...decent shots given the circumstances.

at least it was Coolbeth for the shot of the night.

http://nachtflug.smugmug.com/photos/196331815-L.jpg

[amadeus]

so. great shots on the track under the lights?

no.

lesson learned?

yes.

lesson being: take the time to learn your camera you MORON!

could have been worse. it didn't rain.

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[amadeus]

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[amadeus]

I did grab a few shots of the riders as they passed directly in front of me. at that point out of the turn and under heavy acceleration onto the straight. they mostly looked like this. what I really got a kick out of watching this part of the track was the totally ramrod body positioning they all used. the riders backs were all pretty much straight up. I'm sure there is a reason but it just looked wierd. http://nachtflug.smugmug.com/photos/196332309-L.jpg

[HarveyMushman]

oh well. in desperation I remember reading somewhere about someone shooting with an aperture priority, I think the Steel City MX thread. what the heck I've got 2 gig of memory.


The only shooting modes you need: Aperture Priority, Shutter Priority, & Manual. Forget the rest are there. :D

Shooting flat-track at night is difficult and places significant demands on the camera (and photographer!). Did you bump the ISO up to 800 (or higher)?

Not to hijack, or to suggest I have it figured out, but here a couple of mine from Hagerstown:

70-200 f/2.8 @ 200 & 2.8, 1/100, ISO800, no flash
http://tswphoto.smugmug.com/photos/178265332-L.jpg


Same lens @ ~100mm & 2.8, 1/200, ISO800, with flash (rented SB-800)
http://tswphoto.smugmug.com/photos/178767183-L.jpg

[HarveyMushman]

. . . what I really got a kick out of watching this part of the track was the totally ramrod body positioning they all used. the riders backs were all pretty much straight up. I'm sure there is a reason but it just looked wierd. http://nachtflug.smugmug.com/photos/196332309-S.jpg

They're trying to transfer as much weight as possible to the rear tire for a strong drive onto the straight.

[amadeus]

The only shooting modes you need: Aperture Priority, Shutter Priority, & Manual. Forget the rest are there. :D

Shooting flat-track at night is difficult and places significant demands on the camera (and photographer!). Did you bump the ISO up to 800 (or higher)?

Not to hijack, or to suggest I have it figured out, but here a couple of mine from Hagerstown:

70-200 f/2.8 @ 200 & 2.8, 1/100, ISO800, no flash
http://tswphoto.smugmug.com/photos/178265332-L.jpg


Same lens @ ~100mm & 2.8, 1/200, ISO800, with flash (rented SB-800)
http://tswphoto.smugmug.com/photos/178767183-L.jpg


hah! Brian Smith. Thats Moroneys rider. I live 5 minutes from Moroneys. You can see it on his left forearm.

thanks for the tips! I need to learn how to set the ISO. that first pic is sweet. that looks like real "dirt". the Monticello track was almost like a cinder, and the hot shoes sparked at night. very cool looking. or hot depending on your perspective.

thanks again.

[HarveyMushman]

that first pic is sweet. that looks like real "dirt". the Monticello track was almost like a cinder, and the hot shoes sparked at night. very cool looking. or hot depending on your perspective.


Monticello is a "cushion" track, meaning it has a loose surface. The joke is that you don't need a throttle, just an on/off switch. :D

[DoctorIt]

another shot I'm not happy with. the camera seems to have relegated the sky to pure white. It wasn't.

http://nachtflug.smugmug.com/photos/196318283-S.jpgYou tossed out quite a few questions here, but this one I'll tackle...

Your eye has much wider dynamic range than your camera. When you look at that scene with your eye, you see a light blue sky (highlights) and can still make out details in the bike etc (shadows). You know that little ruler thing on your camera LCD? Goes from -2 to +2? That is the range of your camera, about 4 stops (0 +/- 2). You told your camera that you wanted the bike to be at 0 (this is effected by metering mode, an advanced topic). In that light, the "light blue sky" was definitely more than 2 stops worth of light away from the dark bike, so therefore its full white. On your camera sensor, anything more than +2 comes out full white and anything less than -2 is black. Few places I've read say your eye is good for at least twice the range of your typical camera, so let's say the sky was +4, your eye would still see a color there.

Make sense? :D

[amadeus]

Make sense? :D

yes but thats why I use auto. :D

yes, I just need to learn how to use the damn thing.

actually got some more. after I realized I wasn't going to be getting any award winning action shots I decided that since I was alreay in the pits I might as well grab some shots of the riders as they awaited their turn out on the track. I think starting line/pre starting line shots are some of the best in motorcycling. so I took some.

some more of the flash no flash from the same vantage point.

the guy next to the 14 bike in the first pic can be seen holding a starter.

http://nachtflug.smugmug.com/photos/196348384-L.jpg


http://nachtflug.smugmug.com/photos/196348697-L.jpg

[amadeus]

I like this shot thanks to the riders head angle.

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[amadeus]

a 4 fiddy Honda.

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[amadeus]

squatting down just a tad below handlebar level helps these shots a lot in terms of adding to the feel of the scene from the riders perspective. I'm not sure why.

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[amadeus]

a Rotax engine. you can see the starters shaft that gets inserted into the hole by riders foot to spin it.

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[amadeus]

on the track with track lighting in full effect. I tried one with the flash and it killed the hay compared to this shot.

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[amadeus]

standard trackside starter/wheel/wagon/toolbox setup.

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[amadeus]

a couple of shots of Moroneys Fast Hog pit.

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[amadeus]

due to periodic watering the bikes still get dirty.

last of the Nikon shots.

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[DoctorIt]

good one, best lighting of the bunch:

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[amadeus]

Ive got one more batch to post from this event and then we can raise the checkered flag. given all the 2 wheeled activity lately I've decided to have a little contest for part of the intermission. I came across this picture today and the contest is, whoever can name the most people in it will win a secret prize.

the contest will close in 48 hours.

3-2-1..go.

http://nachtflug.smugmug.com/photos/200871754-L.jpg

[DoctorIt]

Ive got one more batch to post from this event and then we can raise the checkered flag. given all the 2 wheeled activity lately I've decided to have a little contest for part of the intermission. I came across this picture today and the contest is, whoever can name the most people in it will win a secret prize.

the contest will close in 48 hours.

3-2-1..go.Doug Henry (wheelchair), flanked by Valentino Rossi (left) and Colin Edwards (right).

there are the obvious ones, that's all i got.

[amadeus]

Doug Henry (wheelchair), flanked by Valentino Rossi (left) and Colin Edwards (right).

there are the obvious ones, that's all i got.

since its not Doug Henry in the wheelchair your other 2 don't count.

next.

[HarveyMushman]

Doug Henry (wheelchair), flanked by Valentino Rossi (left) and Colin Edwards (right).

there are the obvious ones, that's all i got.

Not too obvious, apparently. :evil That's Wayne Rainey in the chair.

Others: Aaron Gobert, Rich Oliver, Jamie Hacking, Ago, Randy Mamola, Kel Carruthers, Kenny Roberts, Henry Wiles, Chad Reed, Rossi, Rainey, Edwards, and Jamie James. I think that may be Eddie Lawson's head obscured in the back row. I don't know the rest. :cry

[DoctorIt]

nerds. both of you! :lol3

[amadeus]

nerds. both of you! :lol3

you're just mad because you know you now have no chance to win the secret prize.

[amadeus]

Not too obvious, apparently. :evil That's Wayne Rainey in the chair.

Others: Aaron Gobert, Rich Oliver, Jamie Hacking, Ago, Randy Mamola, Kel Carruthers, Kenny Roberts, Henry Wiles, Chad Reed, Rossi, Rainey, Edwards, and Jamie James. I think that may be Eddie Lawson's head obscured in the back row. I don't know the rest. :cry

we have a winner!. I'd like to thank all of the contestants, (both of you), and the winner of the secret prize is HarveyMushman. A man who obviously knows his new school Yamaha road racing, but is obviously clueless on old school Yamaha motocross.

never the less he won fair and square in a very hotly contested contest.

and here is your SECRET PRIZE!

for his efforts Harvery Mushman will receive one hot date with one hot babe at the restaurant of her choice. your dream date will arrive in style and chaufer you around in this custom mercedes benz. contest rules do apply and this is a DINNER date only and desert will be served by a waiter so before you get any fresh ideas just forget about it.

what you get if you should wangle a second date is strictly your buisness.

so here she is. your dream date secret prize and congratulations Harvey Mushman.

:clap :bow :deal :lust :D

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[wxwax]

:thumb Cool thread, Flug. Your, um, style, is probably puzzling folks who haven't been exposed to your act. :lol3

The reason your squatting shot looks more interesting is because you put the camera at a height we don't usually see things from. So it becomes different and therefore interesting. It's often a good idea not to shoot from the ordinary standing position, which is familiar and boring.

You need to figure out how to increase your shutter speed, so you can get more action shots in low light. It's just a technique.

Love the thread.

[HarveyMushman]

we have a winner!. I'd like to thank all of the contestants, (both of you), and the winner of the secret prize is HarveyMushman. A man who obviously knows his new school Yamaha road racing, but is obviously clueless on old school Yamaha motocross.

:rofl


never the less he won fair and square in a very hotly contested contest.

and here is your SECRET PRIZE!

for his efforts Harvery Mushman will receive one hot date with one hot babe at the restaurant of her choice. your dream date will arrive in style and chaufer you around in this custom mercedes benz. contest rules do apply and this is a DINNER date only and desert will be served by a waiter so before you get any fresh ideas just forget about it.

what you get if you should wangle a second date is strictly your buisness.

so here she is. your dream date secret prize and congratulations Harvey Mushman.

:clap :bow :deal :lust :D

http://doctorit.smugmug.com/photos/191245056-S.jpg


Dinner with a lovely lady! :clap And she looks to be the quiet, unassuming type, probably not at all taken by fancy doctor types. :D

[DoctorIt]

what you get if you should wangle a second date is strictly your buisness.Good luck with that... I hear she has very high standards

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[wxwax]

Good luck with that... I hear she has very high standards

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That can't possibly be true. :lol3