Assignment #45: Wide and close

[Nikolai]

Yes, this time we're gonna shoot wide and close.

Pick up your widest glass, choose a nice view with some important subject on the foregound, get reeeeeeal close to this subject and shoot.

Fresh pics only, moderate color correction, basic EXIF inline. The rest of the rules is here (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=41800).

[Nikolai]

What, no takers? :scratch

[jennifer]

I'll bite... I'm not sure I fully understand the assignment though. :scratch

This was taken with my 10-22 (16mm) as close as I could get (an inch or two). Is that what we're doing?

http://jenfavre.smugmug.com/photos/176605055-M.jpg

[Nikolai]

I'll bite... I'm not sure I fully understand the assignment though. :scratch

This was taken with my 10-22 (16mm) as close as I could get (an inch or two). Is that what we're doing?


Thank you!
Kinda... Why not go 10mm and don't crop that tight? :wink

I meant more like this:

http://nik.smugmug.com/photos/125432162-L.jpg

and

http://nik.smugmug.com/photos/126249443-L.jpg

HTH

[jennifer]

Thank you!
Kinda... Why not go 10mm and don't crop that tight? :wink

I meant more like this:

and

HTH

Oh sure, let's ALL go to the Grand Canyon! :thumb
Actually, 10mm is 16mm on my rebel, so that's as wide as I can go. But after seeing your examples, I'll try to come up with something!

[Antonio Correia]

I have not such a glorious/gorgeous place to shoot but, to begin with, may be this here is not bed at all, or am I wronge ?
http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/176671933-M.jpg (http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/gallery/1587711#176671933-L-LB)

[Nikolai]

Oh sure, let's ALL go to the Grand Canyon! :thumb
Actually, 10mm is 16mm on my rebel, so that's as wide as I can go. But after seeing your examples, I'll try to come up with something!
Nah, it was 1) Bryce Canyon, UT and 2) Green River from the Dead Horse Point, Moab, UT

[Nikolai]

I have not such a glorious/gorgeous place to shoot but, to begin with, may be this here is not bed at all, or am I wronge ?

Thank you!
I only wish your foreground subject (keyboard, right?) was more in focus and more pronounced...

[jennifer]

Nikolai, is this more what you're looking for? The subject is nothing special, I know.

1/400s, f/5.6, ISO 400, 10mm (16mm crop)
http://jenfavre.smugmug.com/photos/176712591-M.jpg

[dlscott56]

17 mm is as good as I can get. Too dark to close the aperture any further and didn't have my tripod.
17mm, iso 1600, f20, 1/20
http://4scotts.smugmug.com/photos/176715211-L.jpg

[Nikolai]

Nikolai, is this more what you're looking for? The subject is nothing special, I know.

Yep, pretty much! :thumb
Just add inline EXIF if you please (f/stop, speed, focal length, ISO)

[Nikolai]

17 mm is as good as I can get. Too dark to close the aperture any further and didn't have my tripod.

Nice entry, thanks! Just add inline EXIF please!

[jennifer]

Yep, pretty much! :thumb
Just add inline EXIF if you please (f/stop, speed, focal length, ISO)

Thanks, Nikolai! I edited my post. I'll try to take something later with better camera settings now that I know what I'm doing :)

[dlscott56]

Nice entry, thanks! Just add inline EXIF please!
Done

[Antonio Correia]

http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/176949873-L.jpg (http://www.dgrin.com/smugmug)

Better photo will come.
More sophisticated.

350 D + lens 16 - 35 f/16 at 16 mm + ST-E2 + flash at our left.
Focus on the lens set to 1,00 meter. AF off.

Speed: doesn't matter. I stayed still.

With these settings the camera focuses from 0,46 cms to infinity.
The rose/vase is at about 50 cms.
All measures from layer sensor.

Small USM and cropped


How about this ?

[FlashPhotoBoy]

Not sure if this one qualifies due to the crop but here it is.
24.0mm, lens EF-S17-85mm f4-5.6 IS USM, f5.6 1/80, ISO 100

[Nikolai]

Better photo will come.
More sophisticated.
...
How about this ?
Great, awesome entry! :thumb :clap

[Nikolai]

Not sure if this one qualifies due to the crop but here it is.
24.0mm, lens EF-S17-85mm f4-5.6 IS USM, f5.6 1/80, ISO 100
Very nice entry! Like the compo and the conversion, too! :thumb

[Jermbubba]

kids dodgeball tournament.
1/100 at f/5.0 18mm with on camera flash.
was this the assignment? great idea! i had fun thanks

[Nikolai]

kids dodgeball tournament.
1/100 at f/5.0 18mm with on camera flash.
was this the assignment? great idea! i had fun thanks
Great! Very nice entry! :thumb

[anwmn1]

How about a subtle foreground focus?

Wasn't aware of the assignment till today but shot this yesterday

http://aaronnewman.smugmug.com/photos/176955970-L.jpg

[Nikolai]

How about a subtle foreground focus?
Wasn't aware of the assignment till today but shot this yesterday

Subtle indeed, but nice otherwise :-) :thumb

[z_28]

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t247/CameraSouth/IMG_9066-600b.jpg
16mm(25mm), ISO400, f2.8, 1/1000s

[Nikolai]

16mm(25mm), ISO400, f2.8, 1/1000s
It's very nice, however, I'm afraid you've missed one point of this exercise which is to have a very deep DOF. Apparently you had plenty of light to do so :-)

[z_28]

Shoot !!!
I was so sure that clue is to keep DOF as shallow as possibe :huh:scratch:cry
Will reprocess immediately !

[Nikolai]

Shoot !!!
I was so sure that clue is to keep DOF as shallow as possibe :huh:scratch:cry
Will reprocess immediately !
No worries, my bad, I didn't emphasize it enough...

[z_28]

More "political correct" frame,
but anyway I like first one much more :rolleyes
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t247/CameraSouth/IMG_9064-600.jpg
16mm(25mm), ISO400, f22, 1/30s

[Nikolai]

More "political correct" frame,
but anyway I like first one much more :rolleyes
16mm(25mm), ISO400, f22, 1/30s

Actually, I like second one better. I didn't see the car in the first one. And I now see the red of the knife blending into the reddish stripes of the walkway, which leads into the car, which kinda has similar shape and size of the knife.. It would be real cool to have them visually linked stronger...

[Antonio Correia]

How I did it
In this table (http://www.dofmaster.com/doftable.html) I have choosen my camera, my lens and my distance (I use meters of course).

Consulting the table, I could see that
if I set a distance of 1 meter on the lens and
if I use f/22 that would return me a depth of field between 0.38m and infinity.
Then, I measured the distance with an instrument like a tape or whatever, between the sensor plain/layer/surface and the target (which was 1 meter away).
I targeted the central point of the camera to that point and focused with AF (Auto Focus) On.
I switched off the AF.
I set the camera on Aperture priority and I set the aperture at f/22
I composed the scene
I placed an object at 40 cms (40 cms = 0.40 meter)
I now have the object and the infinity in focus.
I didn’t care about the speed.
If I had too much light I would have used the NDF and/or the CPF.
I used flash because now I am a maniac of this kind of light, which is gorgeous (http://strobist.blogspot.com/) as you can see here in my photos (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=66367) and here (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=64619).
I didn't care about diffraction (http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm) either !
Lots of infos about this subject here (http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials.htm).

0.38 centimeters = 0.013 feet/0,150 inches - 0.40 centimeters = 0.0131 feet/0,157 inches - 1 meter = 3.281 feet/39.370 inches

How about this ?
Tell me ! [/SIZE] :wink

[z_28]

Actually, I like second one better. I didn't see the car in the first one. And I now see the red of the knife blending into the reddish stripes of the walkway, which leads into the car, which kinda has similar shape and size of the knife.. It would be real cool to have them visually linked stronger...

:barb
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t247/CameraSouth/IMG_9064-600b.jpg

[z_28]

How I did it
In this table (http://www.dofmaster.com/doftable.html) I have choosen my camera, my lens and my distance (I use meters of course).
Consulting the table, I could see that
if I set a distance of 1 meter in the lens and
if I use f/22 that would give me a depth of field between 0.38 and infinity.
Then, I measured the distance with na instrument like a tape or whatever, between the sensor plain/layer/surface to a target which was 1 meter away.
I target the central point of the focusing screen to that point and focus.
I switch off the auto focus from the lens.
I set the aperture at f/22
I compose the scene
I placed an object at 40 cms (40 cms = 0.40 meter)
I now have the object and infinity in focus.
I didn’t care with the speed, or I do and have to think the hole thing over again.
If I had too much light I would have used the NDF and/or the CPF.
I used flash because now I am a maniac of this kind of light, which is gorgeous (http://strobist.blogspot.com/) as you can see here in my photos (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=66367) and here (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=64619). Next photo I want to do – if I got the time because my sun asked to go and shoot kitesurf again tomorrow evenning – will be envolving 3 planes/surfaces/areas:
Near the lights of the car - 0.83 cms

Medium distance the car door or so - 1.26 m

Far distance, like the street.At f/2.8 the 16mm with the lens focused to 1 meter will give me sharpness from 0.83 to 1.26 – the street at the far end will be out of focus and so will be the main lights.

How about this ?
Tell me ! :wink

Great explanation Antonio,
but actually I can't see any picture or pictures :dunno

[Antonio Correia]

Great explanation Antonio, but actually I can't see any picture or pictures :dunno

This is the explanation of the picture inserted in this very thread in page 3 (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=66970&page=3).
:D:thumb
Which goes like this:
http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/176949873-Ti.jpg (http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/gallery/1587711#176949873-L-LB)

I am sure Nikolai did the similar work on his pictures inserted here

[z_28]

This is the explanation of the picture inserted in this very thread in page 3 (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=66970&page=3).
:D:thumb
Which goes like this:
http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/176949873-Ti.jpg (http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/gallery/1587711#176949873-L-LB)

I am sure Nikolai did the similar work on his pictures inserted here

That's exactly a problem - I don't any of your pics on page 3 !

[z_28]

OK - I found it - page 2 :wink

[Antonio Correia]

That's exactly a problem - I don't any of your pics on page 3 !

Oh boy.
That I don't know to solve. :dunno
I am an ignorant on that (and many other things).

Anyway it is here in my site (http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/gallery/1587711#176949873-L-LB).
Thank you.

[Antonio Correia]

OK - I found it - page 2 :wink
May be this would have to do with the resolution of the monitor, the way you see it, or ??? because here it is on the 3.ed.

[Antonio Correia]

All in one: Fill flash and DOF

This time the focus was locked at 2.00 m, I was using f/11 on the 16 mm and it was focused from 0,75m to infinity.
ST-E2 (again) and flash on our right

This picture has no value in aesthetical terms.
But it demonstrates what we are after: large depth of field controled by the aperture and focusing distance using a certain lens. A wide one.

In fact I was using the 350 D but the numbers are the same.
With CPF for the sky.

http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/177225069-M.jpg (http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/gallery/1587711#177225069-L-LB)

[Nikolai]

:barb

LOL :rofl
Nice:-) :thumb

[dlscott56]

:barb
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t247/CameraSouth/IMG_9064-600b.jpg
Just needs the Swiss Army emblem on the door :thumb

[bavasshokie]

http://bavasshokie.smugmug.com/photos/173350052-M.jpg

[Nikolai]

tree trunk
hmm, this is more like VP and Straight Up thing.
I know they all intersect, but...
I was thinking more like a separate subject up front... :scratch

[S. Horton]

@Antonio - Where can I locate a copy of a DOF calculator?

[z_28]

It was :
http://www.dofmaster.com/doftable.html

[S. Horton]

^^

Just picked that off after actually reading the entire thread, on my way back to cover my tracks, and I'm busted....... :D

What I've done in the past is guessed, previewed, and sometimes I will get distortion I didn't have to suffer. I'm going to print that, put it in the bag for reference.

[bavasshokie]

hmm, this is more like VP and Straight Up thing.
I know they all intersect, but...
I was thinking more like a separate subject up front... :scratch

what intersects? its one tree, I got upclose to shot up

[Nikolai]

what intersects?
Assignment themes :lol3

[jennifer]

How is this one? I didn't get as precise as Antonio with the settings, but who has time to worry about settings at the Happiest Place on Earth? :clap


1/320s, f/6.3, ISO 100, 10mm (16mm crop)
http://jenfavre.smugmug.com/photos/177840130-L.jpg

[Nikolai]

How is this one? I didn't get as precise as Antonio with the settings, but who has time to worry about settings at the Happiest Place on Earth? :clap
1/320s, f/6.3, ISO 100, 10mm (16mm crop)

Very nice, thank you, right what the doctor ordered! :thumb

[dlscott56]

Following Antonio's excellent example I decided to redo the assignment from a more technical approach. At 17mm and f22 the hyperfocal distance for my camera is 2'-1". This gives DOF from 1'-1/2" to infinity. So tripod was set up approximately 1' from my head to the CCD sensor plane. Camera set to manual with f22 1/8sec exposure. Focus set to manual and focused at approx 2' using indicator on focus ring. On camera flash set for -1.0 compensation, off camera remote set on table to the right from the camera perspective and set for -0.7 compensation. It looks like the back side of my head is a little close and out of focus.

http://4scotts.smugmug.com/photos/177944410-L.jpg

[Nikolai]

Following Antonio's excellent example I decided to redo the assignment from a more technical approach. At 17mm and f22 the hyperfocal distance for my camera is 2'-1". This gives DOF from 1'-1/2" to infinity. So tripod was set up approximately 1' from my head to the CCD sensor plane. Camera set to manual with f22 1/8sec exposure. Focus set to manual and focused at approx 2' using indicator on focus ring. On camera flash set for -1.0 compensation, off camera remote set on table to the right from the camera perspective and set for -0.7 compensation. It looks like the back side of my head is a little close and out of focus.

Wow, Dave, you did take it close your heart:-)
Thanks, nice entry!:thumb

[Antonio Correia]

1.st: the car is not washed ! :huh

Camera focused at 1.00 m - f/11 - and according to the table, focused from 0,55 to 5,76 m.
This time I used Manual mode to get the right exposure to the outside.
I went there and got the speed, mantainning the aperture.

This is an "extreme" example.
This only serves for a better understanding of the potentialities of such a procedure.
The right corner of the light is hardly in focus (it was at 0,55 m), may be also due to diffraction (http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm), ( diffraction in Dgrin (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=320&highlight=diffraction) one among many ) while the house outside is completely out of focus.
The tyre looks, and is actually, sharp.

I used ST-E2 with the flash on my hand and at our right.
A opened the car doors to produce the orange light. For that I shot some 25 pics !

I think this is a most useful technique in certain circunstances and very small apertures should be avoided, as always.

Let's stay at f/10 or f/11 (http://www.openphotographyforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3660)
http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/photos/178100789-L.jpg (http://antoniocorreia.smugmug.com/gallery/1587711#178100789-L-LB)

[Nikolai]

1.st: the car is not washed ! :huh

Camera focused at 1.00 m - f/11 - and according to the table, focused from 0,55 to 5,76 m.
This time I used Manual mode to get the right exposure to the outside.
I went there and got the speed, mantainning the aperture.

This is an "extreme" example.
This only serves for a better understanding of the potentialities of such a procedure.
The right corner of the light is hardly in focus (it was at 0,55 m), may be also due to diffraction (http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm), ( diffraction in Dgrin (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=320&highlight=diffraction) one among many ) while the house outside is completely out of focus.
The tyre looks, and is actually, sharp.

I used ST-E2 with the flash on my hand and at our right.
A opened the car doors to produce the orange light. For that I shot some 25 pics !

I think this is a most useful technique in certain circunstances and very small apertures should be avoided, as always.

Let's stay at f/10 or f/11 (http://www.openphotographyforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3660)


Nice entry, thanks! :thumb
BTW, if I didn't know any better, I'd say it's a typical SoCal 'burbs :rofl

[Antonio Correia]

I have re-written my previous post (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=66970&page=6) #29, trying to correct, not only my English, but the description of the work flow.
Will you please read it again ? Thank you.:D
:thumb