A Rant For The Rest of Us!

[lynnesite]

(I'm off to central Cal till Monday sometime, all y'all just enjoy irreverent Mark's POV. ) :rofl
San Francisco Chronicle columnist (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2005/02/04/notes020405.DTL&nl=fix)

[Nikolai]

(I'm off to central Cal till Monday sometime, all y'all just enjoy irreverent Mark's POV. ) :rofl
San Francisco Chronicle columnist (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2005/02/04/notes020405.DTL&nl=fix)
I guess I'll never know the reason why do the vast majority of apple owners have a need to trash wintel platform with their every breath.. :scratch
Need to feel important? Need to feel better?:uhoh

"Well, do ya?"

[JohnR]

No, not trashing. I think it's the other way around, at least from what I read at other forums.

If you read that column, it asks some basic questions....WHY do people put up with Windows and all it's fault? Why put up with Viruses and the such?

Seriously!

[gus]

I use Xp ...i have no problems with anything at all. It is odd that people get so hung up about what others use.

[Nikolai]

No, not trashing. I think it's the other way around, at least from what I read at other forums.

If you read that column, it asks some basic questions....WHY do people put up with Windows and all it's fault? Why put up with Viruses and the such?

Seriously!Never saw a wintel bigot trashing apple. For real. We just don't care. If you're in love with a piece of silicon - I defintely can dig it, trust me, although I personally prefer it to come in pairs:-).
Other direction - all the time, just check this forum (I mean dgrin in general):D

The article does not ask questions. Author simply makes - very blatant - assumptions about things he never even cared to think of. No viruses for macs, for instance, this one seems to be going on for ever. You wanna know the real reason?

<an old joke>
Two cowboys are talking in a saloon.
First: "Have you heard the news? The Uncatchable Joe was seen around the town!"
Second: "Really? Is he really uncatchahable? Nobody could really catch him ever?"
First: "Nah. Nobody really cared to"
</an old joke>

<quote from another thread>
These represent 6 months of data and close to 100 000 people sample:

Windows XP 91.60%
Other Windows 7.70%
Linux 0.50%
Macintosh 0.20%
</quote from another thread>

The real resaon: there is no such stupid hacker in the whole wide world who'd spend any time writing a decent virus which would target 0.2% of the general 'Net population. It's plain cost-prohibitive...

So may you guys thrive happily while we're taking all the fire... :-)

You choose to live in a golden cage rather than in an open space (it's very accurate analogy, believe it or not) - the choice is yours. It's fine by me. I respect your choice. Windows, mac, linux, unix, os/2, amiga - whatever tool does the job.
I really couldn't care less - but not until somebody starts spitting specifically in my direction. Then - and only then - I get upset.:-)

Mac works for you - great. Windows works for me. It gives me both bread and butter. It ain't perfect, I know. Well, mac os ain't perfect either, otherwise why on Earth would you have OS updates?. But at least I don't close my eyes on those imperfections, I find my way out and about. And I have tons of options to choose from. You - you're stuck with what His Holiness decided to give you. And you cheer and praised him for His kindness and care. I do not praise Bill Gates. I work with his product, Windows. You're in love with Mac. Good for you. For me, pc is just a power tool, like a screwdriver. I'm not ashamed of my choice of powertools, but I'm not that crazy to fall in love with my drill, sledgehammer, or garden hose either.
But if somebody constantly trashes my choice of powertools - eventually that "somebody" gonna have some beef with me, because I can simply get tired of that.

As they say - "Don't trouble trouble":-)

Cheers:1drink

[dkapp]

Nikolai,

I've stayed pretty quite w/ the whole Mac vs. PC ordeal going on, but I just can't take it anymore.

It seems every post I read of yours has some kind of mac bashing, pc is better theme. You are honestly worse than all the Mac people here.

Please, give it a rest.

Thanks,
Dave

[Nikolai]

Nikolai,

I've stayed pretty quite w/ the whole Mac vs. PC ordeal going on, but I just can't take it anymore.

It seems every post I read of yours has some kind of mac bashing, pc is better theme. You are honestly worse than all the Mac people here.

Please, give it a rest.

Thanks,
Dave
I appreciate your input, but.. don't you think that maybe the initial post is the reason, not me?
I only seem the to be the only person (well, Gus also had something to say) who's
1) not ashamed of being PC user;
2) not going to take it with the smile when spit upon;

If you find any post of mine where I STARTED this kind of nonsense - I'll bring my sincere apologies and swear not to comment on the topic again. But - you won't. 'Cause I didn't.

Wanna stop it? Well, I'm all for it, but let's stop it on both sides, shall we?

I was like 8 when I went against the whole class when we had to make a choice. I'm 44 now, and I'm not gonna change my point of view simply because the "ruling majority" has a different one. I don't start trashing other's opinions, but I don't like others bashing mine, either.

Cheers:-):1drink

[fish]

Never saw a wintel bigot trashing apple.


GTFO..."never"? And you call yourself a computer geek? :rofl


http://mac-sucks.com/
http://underscorebleach.net/content/jotsheet/2004/12/apple_sucks
http://www.starpoint.net/~schaef/mac_suck.htm
http://64.55.181.130/news/geeknews/2002Dec/tal20021126017515.htm



That should get you started. If you need more evidence of the anti-mac bigotry, go google it. I'm pretty sure google runs on PCs too. :rofl


:rolleyes

[Nikolai]

GTFO..."never"? And you call yourself a computer geek? :rofl


http://mac-sucks.com/
http://underscorebleach.net/content/jotsheet/2004/12/apple_sucks
http://www.starpoint.net/~schaef/mac_suck.htm
http://64.55.181.130/news/geeknews/2002Dec/tal20021126017515.htm



That should get you started. If you need more evidence of the anti-mac bigotry, go google it. I'm pretty sure google runs on PCs too. :rofl


:rolleyes
I never went to those sites, but I guess now I will:-)
Appreciate your help!:thumb

Cheers!:1drink

[fish]

I never went to those sites, but I guess now I will:-)
Appreciate your help!:thumb

Cheers!:1drink

bigotry loves company.

[Nikolai]

I didn't even bother to look.. You, on the onther hand, obvously did:-).
Which I truly appreciate:-):thumb Some eye-opening facts there, like G5 test cheating and such, I didn't even know.. Sad, very sad, what can I say...

[fish]

I didn't even bother to look.. You, on the onther hand, obvously did:-).
Which I truly appreciate:-):thumb Some eye-opening facts there, like G5 test cheating and such, I didn't even know.. Sad, very sad, what can I say...

give it a rest, nik. :stfu

[Nikolai]

give it a rest, nik. :stfuAs long as there are no "slings and arrows" from the other side :deal - I'm tres cool!:D

Cheers!:1drink

[wxwax]

Personally, I wish we'd dump the STFU smilie. It's not in keeping with the overall tenor of the dgrin. I think this is the first time I've seen it used the way it's used on the other forum. Pity.

WRT Mac vs Windbloz... at first it was amusing. Now it's tiresome. And based on the unpleasant direction this thread has taken, it's straining the civility that has, so far, been the hallmark of this forum.

Give it a rest.

[luckyrwe]

Yea, we should be debating stuff that really matters, like Ford Vs. Chevy, Nikon vs. Canon, Coke vs. Pepsi, or mohawk vs. mullet. :D

[wxwax]

Mullet. Definitely mullet. :heh

[blackwaterstudio]

Yea, we should be debating stuff that really matters, like Ford Vs. Chevy, Nikon vs. Canon, Coke vs. Pepsi, or mohawk vs. mullet. :D
You forgot Import vs Domestic :clap

[DavidTO]

Boxers rule!

[Nikolai]

WRT Mac vs Windbloz... Don't you see the irony?
Calling for calm and adding more fuel at the same time?:wink

And if you are doing this yoursefl - what would you expect from the others?
The famous "Do what I say, not what I do"?

I guess, the next step will be the Big Red Button ..:rolleyes

And nobody even mentioned the original - highly provocative - post which started this thread.. But my - very mild, please check - reply to it - no, how dare you..:-(

I guess I should've taken the hint, when the very first reply to one of my very first posts at dgrin was essentially "we're mac people here, you damn dirty ap.. pc user". I didn't at the time. But it's never too late to make a wise decision... :-)

Don't forget to change the banner from "get the shot" to "macs only". This way you'd clearly avoid the future confusions..

Cheers!:1drink

[fish]

Personally, I wish we'd dump the STFU smilie. It's not in keeping with the overall tenor of the dgrin. I think this is the first time I've seen it used the way it's used on the other forum. Pity. shine through, freaky user! :clap

I guess i'm going to have to make an fyyff sign just for you, waxamole.

[wxwax]

Don't you see the irony?
Calling for calm and adding more fuel at the same time?:wink

And if you are doing this yoursefl - what would you expect from the others?
The famous "Do what I say, not what I do"?

I guess, the next step will be the Big Red Button ..:rolleyes

And nobody even mentioned the original - highly provocative - post which started this thread.. But my - very mild, please check - reply to it - no, how dare you..:-(

I guess I should've taken the hint, when the very first reply to one of my very first posts at dgrin was essentially "we're mac people here, you damn dirty ap.. pc user". I didn't at the time. But it's never too late to make a wise decision... :-)

Don't forget to change the banner from "get the shot" to "macs only". This way you'd clearly avoid the future confusions..

Cheers!:1drink


Nik, old son, I'm on a PC, always have been.

See what I mean? It's out of control.

Chill.

[wxwax]

shine through, freaky user! :clap

I guess i'm going to have to make an fyyff sign just for you, waxamole.

You clicked on the wrong forum, (http://www.advrider.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=9) Fish.

[luckyrwe]

You forgot Import vs Domestic :clap
Beer or cars?

[Nikolai]

Nik, old son, I'm on a PC, always have been.

See what I mean? It's out of control.

Chill.
Sid, thx for the clarification:-) I guess it was a nice example of a "Friendly Fire - aint":-):rofl

Sorry for the delay with response, busy updating website.. Should come live later tonite.. along with the new version - which is already uploaded:-)

Cheers!:1drink

[gus]

leather or rubber

[fish]

liberal or conservative
paper or plastic
visa or mastercard
whips or chains
sportbikes or cruisers

[gus]

tripe or fried haloumi


hold it....i love 'em both.

[ian408]

bigotry loves company.
Straight from the horses mouth.

Ian

[fish]

Straight from the horses mouth.

Ian
of course, but I'm a knowledgeable bigot. :lol3

I've only been on macs for about six months. Was on wintel since about 1983, and still own three or four pcs. It was an easy decision to switch.

[cmr164]

Personally, I wish we'd dump the STFU smilie. It's not in keeping with the overall tenor of the dgrin. I think this is the first time I've seen it used the way it's used on the other forum. Pity.
Given that smiie and the one flipping birds I was really surprised when a moderator wouldn't let me call fighting roosters "cocks", which after all is what they are called.

[fish]

Given that smiie and the one flipping birds I was really surprised when a moderator wouldn't let me call fighting roosters "cocks", which after all is what they are called.

Charles,

All I can tell you is that mods are people too. People working for FREE, i might add. Some of them are more sensitive than others. But the mods rule the roost. It's just a fact of forum life. Besides, is the title of your thread any more important than the content?

[cmr164]

Charles,

All I can tell you is that mods are people too. People working for FREE, i might add. Some of them are more sensitive than others. But the mods rule the roost. It's just a fact of forum life. Besides, is the title of your thread any more important than the content?
I changed it right away with no argument about the change. Just thought the smilies were incompatible with the sentiment.

[Andy]

Given that smiie and the one flipping birds I was really surprised when a moderator wouldn't let me call fighting roosters "cocks", which after all is what they are called.

http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/14436649-Ti.gif


I changed it right away with no argument about the change. Just thought the smilies were incompatible with the sentiment.

:lynn :lol3

[rutt]

I don't know why I'm so dumb as to put my foot into yet another one of these. All computers os's suck eggs. All are crawling with bugs. All are limited in deep and frustrating ways. Different people adapt better to different systems. Many people really hate the idea of having to use more than one kind of computer (I like using different systems, but I know I'm odd.)

So why turn it into a religious war over and over again? These are tools and sometimes the hand fits the glove, the hammer hits the nail. Mostly, in my long experience, I'd say we (all software and hardware engineers and manufacturers) aren't really there yet.

It would be much more productive to have a thread about things that would be great for digital photography that no computer does right. My vote: the Dan Margulis expert system that can really help you nail color correction every time. I've been sort of working my way up to thinking about this for a few years, but the more I learn about what the prepress guys know, the harder it seems.

Or what about this: we like raw becaue it is lossless. We don't like it because it isn't really a format. Tiff and psd are huge. Jpeg2k looks good, but lossless jpeg2k is also huge. What about a format that really would preserve exactly the important information and not be huge. This is what jpeg and jpeg2k are supposed to do, but apparently they haven't succeeded.

This list is long. Where are the missing pieces of the digital darkroom? Identify them and you've done something creative. Bash any existing system and you are just stating the obvious. Hold up any existing system as being perfect and you are just showing your ignorance.

There, I said it, for all the good it will do. If I were really smart I'd avoid these things like the plague.

[GREAPER]

I don't know why I'm so dumb as to put my foot into yet another one of these. All computers os's suck eggs. All are crawling with bugs. All are limited in deep and frustrating ways. Different people adapt better to different systems. Many people really hate the idea of having to use more than one kind of computer (I like using different systems, but I know I'm odd.)

So why turn it into a religious war over and over again? These are tools and sometimes the hand fits the glove, the hammer hits the nail. Mostly, in my long experience, I'd say we (all software and hardware engineers and manufacturers) aren't really there yet.

It would be much more productive to have a thread about things that would be great for digital photography that no computer does right. My vote: the Dan Margulis expert system that can really help you nail color correction every time. I've been sort of working my way up to thinking about this for a few years, but the more I learn about what the prepress guys know, the harder it seems.

Or what about this: we like raw becaue it is lossless. We don't like it because it isn't really a format. Tiff and psd are huge. Jpeg2k looks good, but lossless jpeg2k is also huge. What about a format that really would preserve exactly the important information and not be huge. This is what jpeg and jpeg2k are supposed to do, but apparently they haven't succeeded.

This list is long. Where are the missing pieces of the digital darkroom? Identify them and you've done something creative. Bash any existing system and you are just stating the obvious. Hold up any existing system as being perfect and you are just showing your ignorance.

There, I said it, for all the good it will do. If I were really smart I'd avoid these things like the plague.


UH huh

[Andy]

I don't know why I'm so dumb as to put my foot into yet another one of these. All computers os's suck eggs. All are crawling with bugs. All are limited in deep and frustrating ways. Different people adapt better to different systems. Many people really hate the idea of having to use more than one kind of computer (I like using different systems, but I know I'm odd.)

So why turn it into a religious war over and over again? These are tools and sometimes the hand fits the glove, the hammer hits the nail. Mostly, in my long experience, I'd say we (all software and hardware engineers and manufacturers) aren't really there yet.

It would be much more productive to have a thread about things that would be great for digital photography that no computer does right. My vote: the Dan Margulis expert system that can really help you nail color correction every time. I've been sort of working my way up to thinking about this for a few years, but the more I learn about what the prepress guys know, the harder it seems.

Or what about this: we like raw becaue it is lossless. We don't like it because it isn't really a format. Tiff and psd are huge. Jpeg2k looks good, but lossless jpeg2k is also huge. What about a format that really would preserve exactly the important information and not be huge. This is what jpeg and jpeg2k are supposed to do, but apparently they haven't succeeded.

This list is long. Where are the missing pieces of the digital darkroom? Identify them and you've done something creative. Bash any existing system and you are just stating the obvious. Hold up any existing system as being perfect and you are just showing your ignorance.

There, I said it, for all the good it will do. If I were really smart I'd avoid these things like the plague.

:nod :nod :nod

[JohnR]

Andy, you need this one :D

http://www.hondavision.com/forum/images/smilies/dedhorse.gif

[Andy]

Andy, you need this one :D

http://www.hondavision.com/forum/images/smilies/dedhorse.gif

thank you! i'm putting that into my arsenal :D

[lynnesite]

(I'm off to central Cal till Monday sometime, all y'all just enjoy irreverent Mark's POV. ) :rofl
San Francisco Chronicle columnist (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2005/02/04/notes020405.DTL&nl=fix)

Man, I guess I'm done with humor here. This was supposed to be FUNNY. My title, "A Rant For the Rest of Us" was a take-off on Apple's old ad campaign which was a humorous poke at their own market share.

I also said "IRREVERENT MARK" in the message.

He writes a weekly IRREVERENT column, poking his stick at all manner of anthills and mountains.

I'm sorry about the folks that were offended. As someone who has worked the PC and Mac support trenches from 1986 on, I was terminally amused. IMO the willingness of Windows users to take this sort of abuse (oh, just reinstall your OS and apps) is as mystifying to me as it is to Mark.

Lynne
retreating behind the barricade
:uhoh

[Nikolai]

.. IMO the willingness of Windows users to take this sort of abuse (oh, just reinstall your OS and apps) is as mystifying to me as it is to Mark.

Lynne
retreating behind the barricade
:uhohThat was an ingenious move - start the whole thing and leave the forum for a few days! Re5pect!!:thumb

Just FYI: Last time I had to reinstall my OS for the housekeeping purposes was around 1999, with an early NT4 WS. Din't have that problem since Windows 2000.

Although, I must say, I usually don't download unknown apps from the net and do not open strange emails. For this reason maybe never had a virus launched by me (corporate networks, unfortunately, are prone to this threat, as far as bored ladies at the reception desks are just eager to open an "I Love You" letter with a "this is a special gift 4 u" attachement ;-)

As to the "mystifying' part - I'd say, no more mistifying than a willinness of apple users to put up with the outrageous prices and the lack of choice. It's a give-take balance, each person opts for something.

--
I totally dig the fun/humor part. But you know what they say, "one man's joke is another man's vendetta":-)

No harm done, no worries!:lust

Cheers! :1drink

[fish]

Man, I guess I'm done with humor here. This was supposed to be FUNNY. My title, "A Rant For the Rest of Us" was a take-off on Apple's old ad campaign which was a humorous poke at their own market share.
lynnesite, it WAS funny. some pc'ers just don't laugh about stuff like that sometimes. :crazy

Please DO NOT stop posting jokes! In fact, the more the merrier.


retreating behind the barricade
:uhoh
oh no you don't...get back here! :)