lost exif info in Photoshop CS with RAW to JPG

[DoctorIt]

The struggle continues. I'm now shooting mostly in RAW, and photoshop CS has made workflow really easy. BUT, all of the jpg's I end up with for posting on the web or otherwise have no camera/shooting info with them.

Here's what I do - use file browser to find the image I want. Select it and the RAW plug in pops up automatically. Do my thing, then click OK. This opens the image up in the "regular" window as a "CRW_####.CRW" (just from the window title). So I crop/filter whatever, then do a save as and pick .jpg. I'm NOT doing save for the web, where I know the exif info gets dropped. Still, no camera/shooting info gets saved. When I right click my images in windows, the only info in the advanced properties tab is "edited in Photoshop CS". Coincidentally, this is the same as if I did a "save for web".

I've searched through the help in CS, and photo.net as well and can't find anything. Help?

[cmr164]

The struggle continues. I'm now shooting mostly in RAW, and photoshop CS has made workflow really easy. BUT, all of the jpg's I end up with for posting on the web or otherwise have no camera/shooting info with them.

Here's what I do - use file browser to find the image I want. Select it and the RAW plug in pops up automatically. Do my thing, then click OK. This opens the image up in the "regular" window as a "CRW_####.CRW" (just from the window title). So I crop/filter whatever, then do a save as and pick .jpg. I'm NOT doing save for the web, where I know the exif info gets dropped. Still, no camera/shooting info gets saved. When I right click my images in windows, the only info in the advanced properties tab is "edited in Photoshop CS". Coincidentally, this is the same as if I did a "save for web".

I've searched through the help in CS, and photo.net as well and can't find anything. Help?
http://www-unix.ecs.umass.edu/~ermiller/photos/2004-02/2004-02-18.jpg has the exif and crs data inside. Try posting it to smugmug and see what happens.

[DoctorIt]

http://www-unix.ecs.umass.edu/~ermiller/photos/2004-02/2004-02-18.jpg has the exif and crs data inside. Try posting it to smugmug and see what happens.really? Am I missing something or explaining it wrong... I just saved that image, from my website, onto my desktop, right click, advanced properties and all I see is size, depth, bit count, creation software.

???

I'll throw it on smugmug...

[DoctorIt]

alright, smugmug is updated with all my daily photos...
http://doctorit.smugmug.com/gallery/64369/2/2468612

2004-02-18 still has no camera info. Counter example: 2004-02-15f was shot in fine jpg mode, so all the camera info is there.

[cmr164]

really? Am I missing something or explaining it wrong... I just saved that image, from my website, onto my desktop, right click, advanced properties and all I see is size, depth, bit count, creation software.

???

I'll throw it on smugmug... This is what is inside:

xmlns:crs='http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/'>
<crs:Version>2.0</crs:Version>
<crs:RawFileName>CRW_1401.CRW</crs:RawFileName>
<crs:WhiteBalance>As Shot</crs:WhiteBalance>
<crs:Exposure>-0.50</crs:Exposure>
<crs:Shadows>12</crs:Shadows>
<crs:Brightness>57</crs:Brightness>
<crs:Contrast>+35</crs:Contrast>
<crs:Saturation>+7</crs:Saturation>
<crs:Sharpness>95</crs:Sharpness>
<crs:LuminanceSmoothing>6</crs:LuminanceSmoothing>
<crs:ColorNoiseReduction>25</crs:ColorNoiseReduction>
<crs:ChromaticAberrationR>+10</crs:ChromaticAberrationR>
<crs:ChromaticAberrationB>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationB>
<crs:VignetteAmount>+32</crs:VignetteAmount>
<crs:VignetteMidpoint>55</crs:VignetteMidpoint>
<crs:ShadowTint>0</crs:ShadowTint>
<crs:RedHue>0</crs:RedHue>
<crs:RedSaturation>0</crs:RedSaturation>
<crs:GreenHue>0</crs:GreenHue>
<crs:GreenSaturation>0</crs:GreenSaturation>
<crs:BlueHue>0</crs:BlueHue>
<crs:BlueSaturation>0</crs:BlueSaturation>
</rdf:Description>
xmlns:exif='http://ns.adobe.com/exif/1.0/'>
<exif:ExposureTime>8/1</exif:ExposureTime>
<exif:ShutterSpeedValue>-3/1</exif:ShutterSpeedValue>
<exif:FNumber>10/1</exif:FNumber>
<exif:ApertureValue>6643856/1000000</exif:ApertureValue>
<exif:ExposureProgram>1</exif:ExposureProgram>
<exif:ISOSpeedRatings>
<rdf:Seq>
<rdf:li>100</rdf:li>
</rdf:Seq>
</exif:ISOSpeedRatings>
<exif:DateTimeOriginal>2004-02-18T20:19:54Z</exif:DateTimeOriginal>
<exif:ExposureBiasValue>0/1</exif:ExposureBiasValue>
<exif:MeteringMode>2</exif:MeteringMode>
<exif:Flash rdf:parseType='Resource'>
<exif:Fired>False</exif:Fired>
<exif:Return>0</exif:Return>
</exif:Flash>
<exif:FocalLength>50/1</exif:FocalLength>
<exif:ColorSpace>1</exif:ColorSpace>
<exif:PixelXDimension>500</exif:PixelXDimension>
<exif:PixelYDimension>333</exif:PixelYDimension>
</rdf:Description>

xmlns:tiff='http://ns.adobe.com/tiff/1.0/'>
<tiff:Make>Canon</tiff:Make>
<tiff:Model>Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL</tiff:Model>
<tiff:Orientation>1</tiff:Orientation>
<tiff:XResolution>240/1</tiff:XResolution>
<tiff:YResolution>240/1</tiff:YResolution>
<tiff:ResolutionUnit>2</tiff:ResolutionUnit>
</rdf:Description>

BTW what kind of HP computer do you have? :)

[DoctorIt]

This is what is inside:

xmlns:crs='http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/'>
<crs:Version>2.0</crs:Version>
<crs:RawFileName>CRW_1401.CRW</crs:RawFileName>
<crs:WhiteBalance>As Shot</crs:WhiteBalance>
<crs:Exposure>-0.50</crs:Exposure>
<crs:Shadows>12</crs:Shadows>
<crs:Brightness>57</crs:Brightness>
<crs:Contrast>+35</crs:Contrast>
<crs:Saturation>+7</crs:Saturation>
<crs:Sharpness>95</crs:Sharpness>
<crs:LuminanceSmoothing>6</crs:LuminanceSmoothing>
<crs:ColorNoiseReduction>25</crs:ColorNoiseReduction>
<crs:ChromaticAberrationR>+10</crs:ChromaticAberrationR>
<crs:ChromaticAberrationB>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationB>
<crs:VignetteAmount>+32</crs:VignetteAmount>
<crs:VignetteMidpoint>55</crs:VignetteMidpoint>
<crs:ShadowTint>0</crs:ShadowTint>
<crs:RedHue>0</crs:RedHue>
<crs:RedSaturation>0</crs:RedSaturation>
<crs:GreenHue>0</crs:GreenHue>
<crs:GreenSaturation>0</crs:GreenSaturation>
<crs:BlueHue>0</crs:BlueHue>
<crs:BlueSaturation>0</crs:BlueSaturation>
</rdf:Description>
xmlns:exif='http://ns.adobe.com/exif/1.0/'>
<exif:ExposureTime>8/1</exif:ExposureTime>
<exif:ShutterSpeedValue>-3/1</exif:ShutterSpeedValue>
<exif:FNumber>10/1</exif:FNumber>
<exif:ApertureValue>6643856/1000000</exif:ApertureValue>
<exif:ExposureProgram>1</exif:ExposureProgram>
<exif:ISOSpeedRatings>
<rdf:Seq>
<rdf:li>100</rdf:li>
</rdf:Seq>
</exif:ISOSpeedRatings>
<exif:DateTimeOriginal>2004-02-18T20:19:54Z</exif:DateTimeOriginal>
<exif:ExposureBiasValue>0/1</exif:ExposureBiasValue>
<exif:MeteringMode>2</exif:MeteringMode>
<exif:Flash rdf:parseType='Resource'>
<exif:Fired>False</exif:Fired>
<exif:Return>0</exif:Return>
</exif:Flash>
<exif:FocalLength>50/1</exif:FocalLength>
<exif:ColorSpace>1</exif:ColorSpace>
<exif:PixelXDimension>500</exif:PixelXDimension>
<exif:PixelYDimension>333</exif:PixelYDimension>
</rdf:Description>

xmlns:tiff='http://ns.adobe.com/tiff/1.0/'>
<tiff:Make>Canon</tiff:Make>
<tiff:Model>Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL</tiff:Model>
<tiff:Orientation>1</tiff:Orientation>
<tiff:XResolution>240/1</tiff:XResolution>
<tiff:YResolution>240/1</tiff:YResolution>
<tiff:ResolutionUnit>2</tiff:ResolutionUnit>
</rdf:Description>

BTW what kind of HP computer do you have? :) How'd you get that all that? I realize it may be buried in there, buts its obviously not easy to get at since smugmug isn't showing it like with my straight, unconverted jpg's that i've shot.

And I have a Toshiba, where'd you get the HP?

And I like how all the ": D"'s turned into grins!

[DoctorIt]

Hey cmr: are you on a Mac or Unix-box??? Just curious, doesn't change that I can't see what you are digging up somewhere somehow.

[pathfinder]

Here's what I do - use file browser to find the image I want. Select it and the RAW plug in pops up automatically. Do my thing, then click OK. This opens the image up in the "regular" window as a "CRW_####.CRW" (just from the window title). So I crop/filter whatever, then do a save as and pick .jpg. I'm NOT doing save for the web, where I know the exif info gets dropped. Still, no camera/shooting info gets saved. When I right click my images in windows, the only info in the advanced properties tab is "edited in Photoshop CS". Coincidentally, this is the same as if I did a "save for web".

I've searched through the help in CS, and photo.net as well and can't find anything. Help?
It is interesting that you say that in converting from RAW to jpgs that the exif data is no longer there in the saved jpgs - I would have not thought so, I have never heard of that stated anywhere - BUT I just dowloaded from Smugmug my picture of a red tractor I shot last evening as RAW and converted in PS CS and uploaded to smugmug to link to dgrin last night.

When I use Exifread ( freeware from Taba software ) to decode the original jpg I pulled from smugmug I see no camera infomation at all either . All I see is

IFD: 1, IFD Entry: 01, IFD Entry Position: 0x28, Tag: 0x112, FieldType: 3, Count: 1, Position: 0x30, Orientation: 1
IFD: 1, IFD Entry: 02, IFD Entry Position: 0x34, Tag: 0x11A, FieldType: 5, Count: 1, Position: 0x80, XResolution: 360/1
IFD: 1, IFD Entry: 03, IFD Entry Position: 0x40, Tag: 0x11B, FieldType: 5, Count: 1, Position: 0x88, YResolution: 360/1
IFD: 1, IFD Entry: 04, IFD Entry Position: 0x4C, Tag: 0x128, FieldType: 3, Count: 1, Position: 0x54, ResolutionUnit: 2
IFD: 1, IFD Entry: 05, IFD Entry Position: 0x58, Tag: 0x131, FieldType: 2, Count: 27, Position: 0x90, Software: Adobe Photoshop CS Windows
IFD: 1, IFD Entry: 06, IFD Entry Position: 0x64, Tag: 0x132, FieldType: 2, Count: 20, Position: 0xAB, DateTime: 2004:02:18 21:20:38
IFD: 1, IFD Entry: 07, IFD Entry Position: 0x70, Tag: 0x8769, FieldType: 4, Count: 1, Position: 0x78, ExifOffset: 164
IFD: 2, IFD Entry: 01, IFD Entry Position: 0xF0, Tag: 0x103, FieldType: 3, Count: 1, Position: 0xF8, Compression: 6
IFD: 2, IFD Entry: 02, IFD Entry Position: 0xFC, Tag: 0x11A, FieldType: 5, Count: 1, Position: 0x13C, XResolution: 72/1
IFD: 2, IFD Entry: 03, IFD Entry Position: 0x108, Tag: 0x11B, FieldType: 5, Count: 1, Position: 0x144, YResolution: 72/1
IFD: 2, IFD Entry: 04, IFD Entry Position: 0x114, Tag: 0x128, FieldType: 3, Count: 1, Position: 0x11C, ResolutionUnit: 2
IFD: 2, IFD Entry: 05, IFD Entry Position: 0x120, Tag: 0x201, FieldType: 4, Count: 1, Position: 0x128, JPEGInterchangeFormat: 302
IFD: 2, IFD Entry: 06, IFD Entry Position: 0x12C, Tag: 0x202, FieldType: 4, Count: 1, Position: 0x134, JPEGInterchangeFormatLength: 7282
IFD: EXIF subIFD, IFD Entry: 01, IFD Entry Position: 0xC4, Tag: 0xA001, FieldType: 3, Count: 1, Position: 0xCC, ColorSpace: 65535
IFD: EXIF subIFD, IFD Entry: 02, IFD Entry Position: 0xD0, Tag: 0xA002, FieldType: 4, Count: 1, Position: 0xD8, ExifImageWidth: 6231
IFD: EXIF subIFD, IFD Entry: 03, IFD Entry Position: 0xDC, Tag: 0xA003, FieldType: 4, Count: 1, Position: 0xE4, ExifImageLength: 4224


What's going on - cmr - can you read anymore information in my red tractor picture - I posted it in the late afternoon sunlight thread on -- Show us your best stuff... Here is the URL http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=571

The original is at pathfinder.smugmug.com on the last page in Americana -

If this is true I think many people will be dismayed that the exposure data is all stripped off the jpg made by RAW conversion. Maybe you can read what I cannot - I hope so anyway....

[DoctorIt]

What's going on - cmr - can you read anymore information in my red tractor picture - I posted it in the late afternoon sunlight thread on -- Show us your best stuff... Here is the URL http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=571

The original is at pathfinder.smugmug.com on the last page in Americana -

If this is true I think many people will be dismayed that the exposure data is all stripped off the jpg made by RAW conversion. Maybe you can read what I cannot - I hope so anyway....Pathfinder: you're seeing the exact info I see in mine, only image information: size, etc. But NO camera info. Apparently, cmr says its there cause he found EVERYTHING on my image that I just posted to my website. I'm curious to hear more...

[pathfinder]

Pathfinder: you're seeing the exact info I see in mine, only image information: size, etc. But NO camera info. Apparently, cmr says its there cause he found EVERYTHING on my image that I just posted to my website. I'm curious to hear more...If the camera information is there in the jpg Exifread does not display it and the info sheet for Exifread says it displays EVERYTHING in the exif data file - If cmr corroborates what you said I'll have to find another exif reader and try again, I guess.

addendum: I have since gone home and opened the same red tractor.jpg in adobe PS CS and when I press crtl-alt-i the Photoshop file reader comes up with the camera information. So now is the problem with Exifread or somwhere else? It apparently is availabe to Photoshop CS from the jpg itself..... Hmmm.....

[DoctorIt]

If the camera information is there in the jpg Exifread does not display it and the info sheet for Exifread says it displays EVERYTHING in the exif data file - If cmr corroborates what you said I'll have to find another exif reader and try again, I guess.Try your exifread on this image:

http://www-unix.ecs.umass.edu/~ermiller/photos/2004-02/2004-02-18.jpg

[fish]

Try your exifread on this image:

http://www-unix.ecs.umass.edu/~ermiller/photos/2004-02/2004-02-18.jpg (http://www-unix.ecs.umass.edu/%7Eermiller/photos/2004-02/2004-02-18.jpg)
This is all I get out of it:



Orientation - 1 (top left)
XResolution - 240
YResolution - 240
ResolutionUnit - 2 (inch)
Software - Adobe Photoshop CS Windows
DateTime - 2004:02:19 10:41:20
ExifOffset - 164
ColorSpace - 1 (sRGB)
ExifImageWidth - 0
ExifImageHeight - 0

[wxwax]

How strange. I get all sorts of data.


xmlns:crs='http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/'>
<crs:Version>2.0</crs:Version>
<crs:RawFileName>CRW_1401.CRW</crs:RawFileName>
<crs:FavoriteFood>As Shot</crs:TunafishCasserole>
<crs:BestActor>-0.50</crs:BenKingsly>
<crs:#bathrooms/bedrooms>12</crs:2bed1.5bath>
<crs:BoxersorBriefs>57</crs:Neither>
<crs:WhatchaDoingTonight>+35</crs:NothingWhatchaDoing>
<crs:FavoriteHairColor>+7</crs:Pimento>
<crs:Sharpness>95</crs:Dull>
<crs:LuminanceSmoothing>6</crs:LuminanceSmoothing>
<crs:ColorNoiseReduction>25</crs:ColorNoiseReduction>
<crs:ChromaticAberrationR>+10</crs:ChromaticAberrationR>
<crs:ChromaticAberrationB>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationB>
<crs:VignetteAmount>+32</crs:VignetteAmount>
<crs:VignetteMidpoint>55</crs:VignetteMidpoint>
<crs:ShadowTint>0</crs:ShadowTint>

[DoctorIt]

How strange. I get all sorts of data.


xmlns:crs='http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/'>
<crs:Version>2.0</crs:Version>
<crs:RawFileName>CRW_1401.CRW</crs:RawFileName>
<crs:FavoriteFood>As Shot</crs:TunafishCasserole>
<crs:BestActor>-0.50</crs:BenKingsly>
<crs:#bathrooms/bedrooms>12</crs:2bed1.5bath>
<crs:BoxersorBriefs>57</crs:Neither>
<crs:WhatchaDoingTonight>+35</crs:NothingWhatchaDoing>
<crs:FavoriteHairColor>+7</crs:Pimento>
<crs:Sharpness>95</crs:Dull>
<crs:LuminanceSmoothing>6</crs:LuminanceSmoothing>
<crs:ColorNoiseReduction>25</crs:ColorNoiseReduction>
<crs:ChromaticAberrationR>+10</crs:ChromaticAberrationR>
<crs:ChromaticAberrationB>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationB>
<crs:VignetteAmount>+32</crs:VignetteAmount>
<crs:VignetteMidpoint>55</crs:VignetteMidpoint>
<crs:ShadowTint>0</crs:ShadowTint>:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[fish]

How strange. I get all sorts of data.


xmlns:crs='http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-sashimi/1.0/'> you hacked into charles' computer? :rofl

[cmr164]

How'd you get that all that? I realize it may be buried in there, buts its obviously not easy to get at since smugmug isn't showing it like with my straight, unconverted jpg's that i've shot. On a unix box (or MacOSX) `strings xxxxx.jpg | more`

And I have a Toshiba, where'd you get the HP? There was a Hewlett Packard in the strings info but I see no that was a copyright notice so is probably just a cross license artifact.

And I like how all the ": D"'s turned into grins! There is a "Disable Smilies in Text" button just above the "Manage Attachments" theat stops :D from becoming http://www.dgrin.com./images/icons/icon10.gif (Next you will be asking how I can click the disable and mix :Dhttp://www.dgrin.com./images/icons/icon10.gif:Dhttp://www.dgrin.com./images/icons/icon10.gif )

[cmr164]

This is all I get out of it:



Orientation - 1 (top left)
XResolution - 240
YResolution - 240
ResolutionUnit - 2 (inch)
Software - Adobe Photoshop CS Windows
DateTime - 2004:02:19 10:41:20
ExifOffset - 164
ColorSpace - 1 (sRGB)
ExifImageWidth - 0
ExifImageHeight - 0

cmr% strings 2004-02-18.jpg | more
JFIF
Exif
Adobe Photoshop CS Windows
2004:02:19 10:41:20
JFIF
...
xmlns:crs='http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/'>
<crs:Version>2.0</crs:Version>
<crs:RawFileName>CRW_1401.CRW</crs:RawFileName>
<crs:WhiteBalance>As Shot</crs:WhiteBalance>
<crs:Exposure>-0.50</crs:Exposure>
<crs:Shadows>12</crs:Shadows>
<crs:Brightness>57</crs:Brightness>
<crs:Contrast>+35</crs:Contrast>
<crs:Saturation>+7</crs:Saturation>
<crs:Sharpness>95</crs:Sharpness>
<crs:LuminanceSmoothing>6</crs:LuminanceSmoothing>
<crs:ColorNoiseReduction>25</crs:ColorNoiseReduction>
<crs:ChromaticAberrationR>+10</crs:ChromaticAberrationR>
<crs:ChromaticAberrationB>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationB>
<crs:VignetteAmount>+32</crs:VignetteAmount>
<crs:VignetteMidpoint>55</crs:VignetteMidpoint>
<crs:ShadowTint>0</crs:ShadowTint>
<crs:RedHue>0</crs:RedHue>
<crs:RedSaturation>0</crs:RedSaturation>
<crs:GreenHue>0</crs:GreenHue>
<crs:GreenSaturation>0</crs:GreenSaturation>
<crs:BlueHue>0</crs:BlueHue>
<crs:BlueSaturation>0</crs:BlueSaturation>
</rdf:Description>
...
xmlns:exif='http://ns.adobe.com/exif/1.0/'>
<exif:ExposureTime>8/1</exif:ExposureTime>
<exif:ShutterSpeedValue>-3/1</exif:ShutterSpeedValue>
<exif:FNumber>10/1</exif:FNumber>
<exif:ApertureValue>6643856/1000000</exif:ApertureValue>
<exif:ExposureProgram>1</exif:ExposureProgram>
<exif:ISOSpeedRatings>
<rdf:Seq>
<rdf:li>100</rdf:li>
</rdf:Seq>
</exif:ISOSpeedRatings>
<exif:DateTimeOriginal>2004-02-18T20:19:54Z</exif:DateTimeOriginal>
<exif:ExposureBiasValue>0/1</exif:ExposureBiasValue>
<exif:MeteringMode>2</exif:MeteringMode>
<exif:Flash rdf:parseType='Resource'>
<exif:Fired>False</exif:Fired>
<exif:Return>0</exif:Return>
</exif:Flash>
<exif:FocalLength>50/1</exif:FocalLength>
<exif:ColorSpace>1</exif:ColorSpace>
<exif:PixelXDimension>500</exif:PixelXDimension>
<exif:PixelYDimension>333</exif:PixelYDimension>
</rdf:Description>
...
<aux:SerialNumber>0660232454</aux:SerialNumber>
<aux:Lens>50.0 mm</aux:Lens>
...
<rdf:Description rdf:about='uuid:83855b72-62f1-11d8-b1a2-f5fe20a8084b'
xmlns:tiff='http://ns.adobe.com/tiff/1.0/'>
<tiff:Make>Canon</tiff:Make>
<tiff:Model>Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL</tiff:Model>
<tiff:Orientation>1</tiff:Orientation>
<tiff:XResolution>240/1</tiff:XResolution>
<tiff:YResolution>240/1</tiff:YResolution>
<tiff:ResolutionUnit>2</tiff:ResolutionUnit>
</rdf:Description>
...
xmlns:xap='http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/'>
<xap:ModifyDate>2004-02-19T10:41:20-05:00</xap:ModifyDate>
<xap:CreateDate>2004-02-19T10:41:20-05:00</xap:CreateDate>
<xap:MetadataDate>2004-02-19T10:41:20-05:00</xap:MetadataDate>
<xap:CreatorTool>Adobe Photoshop CS Windows</xap:CreatorTool>
</rdf:Description>
...
desc
sRGB IEC61966-2.1
sRGB IEC61966-2.1
...
IEC http://www.iec.ch
IEC http://www.iec.ch
desc
.IEC 61966-2.1 Default RGB colour space - sRGB
.IEC 61966-2.1 Default RGB colour space - sRGB
desc
,Reference Viewing Condition in IEC61966-2.1
,Reference Viewing Condition in IEC61966-2.1
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XYZ
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CRT curv

[cmr164]

you hacked into charles' computer? :rofl
Note: www.iisc.com has a link to www.iisc.com/sushi :D

[cmr164]

Hey cmr: are you on a Mac or Unix-box??? Just curious, doesn't change that I can't see what you are digging up somewhere somehow.
MacOSX, Solaris 8 or 9, or Tru64 5.1b - when I am doing my dissections. Just depends which xterm I am typing in.

[cmr164]

If the camera information is there in the jpg Exifread does not display it and the info sheet for Exifread says it displays EVERYTHING in the exif data file - If cmr corroborates what you said I'll have to find another exif reader and try again, I guess.

addendum: I have since gone home and opened the same red tractor.jpg in adobe PS CS and when I press crtl-alt-i the Photoshop file reader comes up with the camera information. So now is the problem with Exifread or somwhere else? It apparently is availabe to Photoshop CS from the jpg itself..... Hmmm.....
The red tractor image in the thread is http://pathfinder.smugmug.com/photos/2463653-L.jpg and it does *NOT* contain the Exif data. Probably 2463653-O.jpg has it but I can't pull it down as I get a message indicating it is corrupted. Bear in mind that smugmug has several size jpegs of your tractor online.

[pathfinder]

The red tractor image in the thread is http://pathfinder.smugmug.com/photos/2463653-L.jpg and it does *NOT* contain the Exif data. Probably 2463653-O.jpg has it but I can't pull it down as I get a message indicating it is corrupted. Bear in mind that smugmug has several size jpegs of your tractor online.
So maybe smugmug strips oput the exif data to minimize storage requirements or something, perhaps? On at least some of the image sizes?

Thank you for that information. As I said Adobe PS CS CAN read the exif info in the jpg itself.... so Adobe DOES incorporate the exif data after/during RAW conversion. But it may not be on smugmug -- I wonder if that is why the "Show Additional Photo Information" button has disappeared on smugmug.

[DoctorIt]

So maybe smugmug strips oput the exif data to minimize storage requirements or something, perhaps? On at least some of the image sizes?

Thank you for that information. As I said Adobe PS CS CAN read the exif info in the jpg itself.... so Adobe DOES incorporate the exif data after/during RAW conversion. But it may not be on smugmug -- I wonder if that is why the "Show Additional Photo Information" button has disappeared on smugmug.The button on smugmug is still there. I just uploaded another .jpg (shot as jpg) yesterday and all the camera info will show up.

So do we have a bottom line? I talked to another friend who uses CS and his exif is gone as well, he has Nikon files, that was why I asked him as well. And, sorry, when i say gone, its probably there, CS can read it, and so can Charles. But how bout the rest of us? How bout smugmug, is there no hope?

Rather than dissecting files, I was hoping there was a more savvy Photoshop CS user out there who could clarify for us.

[cmr164]

The button on smugmug is still there. I just uploaded another .jpg (shot as jpg) yesterday and all the camera info will show up.

So do we have a bottom line? I talked to another friend who uses CS and his exif is gone as well, he has Nikon files, that was why I asked him as well. And, sorry, when i say gone, its probably there, CS can read it, and so can Charles. But how bout the rest of us? How bout smugmug, is there no hope?

Rather than dissecting files, I was hoping there was a more savvy Photoshop CS user out there who could clarify for us.
If someone could use CS and PS7 to create jpegs from the same raw shot

upload them both to smugmug or elsewhere

and post the links here,

Then I will disect the two files and report on what CS is doing differently. I suspect the xml packaging is the issue.

[pathfinder]

If someone could use CS and PS7 to create jpegs from the same raw shot

upload them both to smugmug or elsewhere

and post the links here,

Then I will disect the two files and report on what CS is doing differently. I suspect the xml packaging is the issue.
I have PS 7 but not another RAW convertor besides PS CS - so I am afraid I cannot help you......

[cmr164]

I have PS 7 but not another RAW convertor besides PS CS - so I am afraid I cannot help you......
Then do two examples starting from a camera generated jpeg and put up the 2 PS versions of a save from that.

[DoctorIt]

So I FINALLY have an answer to this!!! A lurker read this thread and sent me a note with a link that explained it all... Basically, PS Camera RAW writes all the metadata into an XMP format rather than EXIF. So, as CMR showed, all the info was there in my files, but smugmug (or windows explorer for that matter) can't extract it.

Here's a link, the info is in there (mostly on Oly writeup, but good notes on PS CS):

http://diabolo.ifn.fr/imgs/E-1-raw-comp/