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rutt

Jan-24-2005, 07:53 PM

Which is why you need a Powerbook with Delkin Cardbus 32 reader. Slam the card in there, upload, catalog, preview, boom. It's nice. I'll have my 15" PB at yosemite.

:nod
By then, you might not be able to show your face without a g5 powerbook. My g4 pb is soooo slow at this task compared to my 2GHz Pentium-M linux notebook. G5 desktops are about the same speed as the linux notebook (for this particular task.) One can only hope that the g5 pbs will be able to walk in the sun again...

But what does this have to do with raw?

pathfinder

Jan-24-2005, 07:53 PM

Which is why you need a Powerbook with Delkin Cardbus 32 reader. Slam the card in there, upload, catalog, preview, boom. It's nice. I'll have my 15" PB at yosemite.

:nod

Me too, as soon as I order mine. I've ben waiting for iworks and iLife 05 to be released before ordering.:thumb

So John, when will the G5 PB's be anounced, since they were not mentioned at Mac World?

rutt

Jan-24-2005, 07:55 PM

Me too, as soon as I order mine. I've ben waiting for iworks and iLife 05 to be released before ordering.:thumb
Do not under any circumstances order a g4 pb without clearing it with me. The thing will be a boat anchor within 6 months.

fish

Jan-24-2005, 08:08 PM

Do not under any circumstances order a g4 pb without clearing it with me. The thing will be a boat anchor within 6 months.
That's a bit extreme, don't you think?

Why only wait 6 months? Why not wait 18 months for something 4x better?

Sure, a new PB is going to come out. Something new is always coming out.

rutt

Jan-24-2005, 08:10 PM

Me too, as soon as I order mine. I've ben waiting for iworks and iLife 05 to be released before ordering.:thumb

So John, when will the G5 PB's be anounced, since they were not mentioned at Mac World?
Sorry, didn't see that last sentence. Look, I don't really know. It isn't an easy problem because the g5 is way hot. But apple has to do this or have it's lunch eaten in a very important product area. If you get a g4 pb after your experience with your desktop, you'll be very dissapointed with it's speed. It's good because it is a mac and it is a very nice package. But compared to an modern intel notebook, well it isn't even close.

The rumor mill has been up and down about the release date for a g5 pb. Apple and IBM (which makes the processors for Apple) are definitly working hard on this. Lot's of money is at stake for them to get it done sooner rather than later. The apple marketing magic can only cover up this problem for so long. Use google and google news to search for "powerbook g5" or "g5 powerbook". You get different results, but my favorite recent is this
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/14/apple_powerbook_g5/

rutt

Jan-24-2005, 08:13 PM

That's a bit extreme, don't you think?

Why only wait 6 months? Why not wait 18 months for something 4x better?

Sure, a new PB is going to come out. Something new is always coming out.
Misery loves company. This particular thing is at the tail end of its product life. Nobody who is used to the speed of dual g5 desktops or intel notebooks is going to be happy with its speed.

fish

Jan-24-2005, 08:13 PM

See my long boring post. Probably it didn't make sense, but I mostly agree with you but am still experimenting with raw.
woof.

I bought a BMW 1150GS. The 1200GS came out. I bought an 1100RT. The 1150RT came out. I bought an 1150RT, and now the 1200RT is coming out. I bought a Canon 10D and the 20D came out. So I bought one and now there's speculation that a 30D is around the corner.

I still have my 1150GS, 1150RT, 10D, and 20D. I'm done for awhile. You gotta do what you gotta do to get that instant gratification. Right? RIGHT?

:dunno

Andy

Jan-24-2005, 08:26 PM

dude, i have a 12" pb in my cart on apple.com right now.

Sorry, didn't see that last sentence. Look, I don't really know. It isn't an easy problem because the g5 is way hot. But apple has to do this or have it's lunch eaten in a very important product area. If you get a g4 pb after your experience with your desktop, you'll be very dissapointed with it's speed. It's good because it is a mac and it is a very nice package. But compared to an modern intel notebook, well it isn't even close.

The rumor mill has been up and down about the release date for a g5 pb. Apple and IBM (which makes the processors for Apple) are definitly working hard on this. Lot's of money is at stake for them to get it done sooner rather than later. The apple marketing magic can only cover up this problem for so long. Use google and google news to search for "powerbook g5" or "g5 powerbook". You get different results, but my favorite recent is this
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/14/apple_powerbook_g5/

rutt

Jan-24-2005, 08:29 PM

Misery loves company. This particular thing is at the tail end of its product life. Nobody who is used to the speed of dual g5 desktops or intel notebooks is going to be happy with its speed.
I rethought my position on this a little. I have one and I think the thing is a dog. But go ahead and buy one if you like. Just be sure you have 30 days to return it in case you end up agreeing with me.

If you want a fast notebook and want it now, you are stuck with intel. There is reason to think that this will be corrected by June.

Andy

Jan-24-2005, 08:37 PM

I rethought my position on this a little. I have one and I think the thing is a dog. But go ahead and buy one if you like. Just be sure you have 30 days to return it in case you end up agreeing with me.

If you want a fast notebook and want it now, you are stuck with intel. There is reason to think that this will be corrected by June.

maybe i can wait.... (http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000510027424/)

DavidTO

Jan-24-2005, 08:47 PM

maybe i can wait.... (http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000510027424/)

You never know, but the rumor mill has it that the G4 Powerbook is no longer in production--EOL'd (End of Life). That would mean a revision--could be faster G4's, dual core G4's or G5. You'll never know till it happens, but yeah, now is not the best time to buy a Powerbook. If you can wait 6 months, do so.

rutt

Jan-25-2005, 04:23 AM

Andy

Jan-25-2005, 05:54 AM

I hate to say it (because I think it will cause a firestorm of irrelevant religious bickering) but if you need a notebook now to run PS and to store and edit photos from shoots, buy an intel based machine and, unless you are a true geek, run XP. (The true geeks won't need help here.) For Andy and PF especially, this won't be a problem; they are used to windows and even have all the required expensive software. Make sure to get a Pentium-M machine. 2GHz is roughly as fast as a 3GHz Pentium-4 in many tests.

Nobody hates windows more than I do (well, maybe not nobody, but not many people.) Still, I'm pragmatic and can use whatever OS I need to. Recent versions of XP are much better than older versions of windows I've used.

So far, there doesn't seem to be a great way to run PS on linux. That's what I really want.

Anyway, I'm sure this has noting to do with RAW. Perhaps we should go around the raw converter debate again.

i run a sony 900mhz intel box right now. tiny! 3.1 lbs, i love it. it's been a stable workhorse for 1 year now. win xp pro, sp2, the integrated wireless is great, it's been a great box. i was about to put it up for sale and pull the trigger on a 12" pb last night... until...

ok so my notebook needs are not huge. speed? my 1ghz sony is fast enough for my field work. so, would i be happier with a g4 pb? will it be the same speed +/-?

what would really tick me off is paying $1500 for the 12" pb g4 and then finding out the prices dropped like a stone.

will i care about a g5? are they going to be that much faster? i mean, i don't *need* the huge speed on my notebook, but it is nice, i agree with that .. faster always better.

a plus for waiting: with the heat output of a g5, and who knows how much electrical radiation or whatever, i could avoid the snip snip that i've been putting off for three years now :lol3

DavidTO

Jan-25-2005, 06:35 AM

i run a sony 900mhz intel box right now. tiny! 3.1 lbs, i love it. it's been a stable workhorse for 1 year now. win xp pro, sp2, the integrated wireless is great, it's been a great box. i was about to put it up for sale and pull the trigger on a 12" pb last night... until...

ok so my notebook needs are not huge. speed? my 1ghz sony is fast enough for my field work. so, would i be happier with a g4 pb? will it be the same speed +/-?

what would really tick me off is paying $1500 for the 12" pb g4 and then finding out the prices dropped like a stone.

will i care about a g5? are they going to be that much faster? i mean, i don't *need* the huge speed on my notebook, but it is nice, i agree with that .. faster always better.

a plus for waiting: with the heat output of a g5, and who knows how much electrical radiation or whatever, i could avoid the snip snip that i've been putting off for three years now :lol3

If you're not worried about speed, then don't worry about speed.

If you're worried about money read this (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/)

mercphoto

Jan-25-2005, 07:37 AM

You never know, but the rumor mill has it that the G4 Powerbook is no longer in production--EOL'd (End of Life). That would mean a revision--could be faster G4's, dual core G4's or G5. You'll never know till it happens, but yeah, now is not the best time to buy a Powerbook. If you can wait 6 months, do so.

I would love a G5 notebook, but don't count yer processor revs too quickly. Will G5 move to a notebook? Sometime, for sure. 17" first. 12" and 15" late. There is no immediate threat to the G4 leaving the PowerBook line entirely.

Bear in mind the rumor you saw said the current Powerbook is EOL'd. Probably true. Does not, however, mean the new version will not still be a G4.

pathfinder

Jan-25-2005, 08:12 AM

Do not under any circumstances order a g4 pb without clearing it with me. The thing will be a boat anchor within 6 months.
I will take this under advisement John. I can wait I have a useable 800Mhz P3 laptop for file storage. A rumor is that a new PB will be announced in the next few weeks - Who knows these things.

I own a 2.8 Ghz P4 HP laptop that crashed after being updated by Msft and would not reboot at all - even into safe mode. I finally formatted the hard drive and used the HP re-install discs that came with the laptop. But now my Linksys router will not let it see the internet because the router says it must run ZoneAlarmPro for security. The really interesting thing is that I am running the current version of ZoneAlarm Pro when I got the message from the router.

That is why I want a Power Book. ALso the screen of the PB blows the HP screen away for color accuracy and I calibrated the HP screen with Monoco EZ colorimeter. Needless to say, I am not a happy camper in the XP world.

mercphoto

Jan-25-2005, 08:20 AM

Do not under any circumstances order a g4 pb without clearing it with me. The thing will be a boat anchor within 6 months.

Any computer is a boat anchor in 6 months. If you need a machine NOW, waiting 6 months isn't really an option. I bought my current 12" PowerBook shortly after it first came out. The rumor mill was full of the "impending 15" aluminum PowerBook", and I wanted the 15". I kept waiting. It was always "two weeks away from announcement". After two months of this I bought the 12" instead. Still took almost another two months, if memory serves, for the 15" Aluminum to be released.

Now my 12" is about 18 months old. The current line-up is nearly twice as fast for the same money. I don't have USB 2.0, nor DVI video out. Big deal. If I bought something new today I'd be in the same boat in another short period of time.

If you need it now, buy it now. If you fall into the trap of waiting for the next big thing YOU WILL ALWAYS BE WAITING.

DoctorIt

Jan-25-2005, 08:21 AM

wow, this thread sure made me feel great about my 12" PB that I spent all my savings on this past fall...

thanks rutt :wxwax

Andy

Jan-25-2005, 08:37 AM

wow, this thread sure made me feel great about my 12" PB that I spent all my savings on this past fall...

thanks rutt :wxwax

finger hovering over apple store cart, and crucial ram cart ......

DavidTO

Jan-25-2005, 08:39 AM

My 1ghz G4 Titanium Powerbook is 2 years old, and just now starting to show real signs of age as far as keeping up with the upgrades. Boat anchor after six months? Hardly. And even if you get your 12" now Andy, you'll be happy with it for a long time. Unless you're never satisfied without having the latest and greatest. But then you'd never be happy...

Also, I tried to be very clear. Just because the current pbooks are eol'd does NOT mean that the next gen will be G5. Could be, but more likely bumped G4 or possibly dual core G4s.

dkapp

Jan-25-2005, 09:02 AM

I bought the 12" 1.33 GHz PowerBook when it was first announced. It is my only computer. I use it for everything & couldn't be happier.

Boat Anchor? Hmmm....Maybe you shouldn't be comparing apples & oranges. Your taking the worlds fastest computer against a laptop. Two very different computers for different tasks. :dunno

Dave

cmr164

Jan-25-2005, 09:35 AM

i run a sony 900mhz intel box right now. tiny! 3.1 lbs, i love it. it's been a stable workhorse for 1 year now. win xp pro, sp2, the integrated wireless is great, it's been a great box. i was about to put it up for sale and pull the trigger on a 12" pb last night... until...

ok so my notebook needs are not huge. speed? my 1ghz sony is fast enough for my field work. so, would i be happier with a g4 pb? will it be the same speed +/-?

what would really tick me off is paying $1500 for the 12" pb g4 and then finding out the prices dropped like a stone.

will i care about a g5? are they going to be that much faster? i mean, i don't *need* the huge speed on my notebook, but it is nice, i agree with that .. faster always better.

a plus for waiting: with the heat output of a g5, and who knows how much electrical radiation or whatever, i could avoid the snip snip that i've been putting off for three years now :lol3
Andy, it sounds like you do not need super speed on the notebook side so let me suggest a 12" iBook with memory and drive upgrades. For a lot of PS work it is the same speed as the PB and certainly the same speed as my 2003 PB17". You will save a boatload of money and have all the utility you nned.

dkapp

Jan-25-2005, 09:39 AM

The 12" doesn't have a PCMCIA slot, so you will need an external card reader or cable to connect to your camera.

Dave

DavidTO

Jan-25-2005, 09:43 AM

Andy, it sounds like you do not need super speed on the notebook side so let me suggest a 12" iBook with memory and drive upgrades. For a lot of PS work it is the same speed as the PB and certainly the same speed as my 2003 PB17". You will save a boatload of money and have all the utility you nned.

There's a lot of truth in that. The iBooks are a great deal right now when compared to the pbooks, and deserve a close look.

fish

Jan-25-2005, 09:59 AM

If you're not worried about speed, then don't worry about speed.

If you're worried about money read this (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/)

That link is so wrong is funny. Don't buy on everything, cuz an "update is coming". Except for the iMac, since it's "mid production cycle". However, the only thing that got updated was the iMac :rofl

I love my 1.5ghz 15" G4 powerbook. It's light, sleek, fast, and like all other things that run OSX, virus and spyware free. It just works. Andy's got a big powermac as his primary computer, so speed for him shouldn't be much of an issue. Just the feature of being able to close the lid, put the pb to sleep, and wake up almost instantly puts it lightyears ahead of an XP box that takes minutes to boot (assuming it can find all the files :rofl). For the field, dumping and reviewing images, the PB works GREAT. I'm sure it might be kinda slow manipulating 30MB images, but that's what a powermac is for.

As far as a rumored proc upgrade...ain't no G5 gonna happen anytime soon. (http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/macos/story/0,10801,86802,00.html) Hell, even the 12" G4 PB gets so freakin hot it burns your palms and thighs. If anything, I'd expect a speedbump. Maybe even a dualcore G4, but I think that's unlikely.

dragon300zx

Jan-25-2005, 10:05 AM

Hey pathfinder if your looking to get ride of that HP notebook I might be pursuaded to help ya out. :deal However the problem you are having with the linksys router is simply a setup problem no biggie. If I was there could have it fixed really quick. However troubleshooting it via a message board hmmm. Might take alittle longer.

DavidTO

Jan-25-2005, 10:08 AM

That link is so wrong is funny. Don't buy on everything, cuz an "update is coming". Except for the iMac, since it's "mid production cycle". However, the only thing that got updated was the iMac :rofl

Not exactly true, there's plenty you should buy according to the link, and the iMac was updated in August, as it says. Truth is, that another update should be coming sometime in March-May for the iMac. If you can afford to wait, maybe you should. And the other side of the argument makes sense, as well. Just go ahead and buy it, you'll always have reason to regret your purchase. The site's not wrong, perhaps just a little conservative about their advice re: waiting for updates.

And look, more importantly, for the Powerbook, it hasn't been updated since April. It's due. Will it make a huge difference? I don't think so. It will when the G5s come out, but I hold little hope for that this cycle. Will Andy get more value for his money after the updates? Absolutely. Should he wait? Well, that's a 50/50 proposition, I think. Totally up to him and how desparately he wants to fully Apple-ify his life.

pathfinder

Jan-25-2005, 10:10 AM

There's a lot of truth in that. The iBooks are a great deal right now when compared to the pbooks, and deserve a close look.
How much difference in speed is there between the 15 iBook and the 15 in PB? Is there any difference in the screens?

The powerbook screen is just so much better than my HP's screen. Speed is a secondary consideration for a laptop for me. Ease of use, speed at booting or awakening. It is SO nice to touch the space bar on my MAC and have everything back just where I left it instantly. A laptop like that would be great -

I mostly want the laptop screen for viewing of files - not editing so much as cropping and viewing. I want a PB or an iB before mid-February when I start travelling again.

DavidTO

Jan-25-2005, 10:15 AM

How much difference in speed is there between the 15 iBook and the 15 in PB? Is there any difference in the screens?

The powerbook screen is just so much better than my HP's screen. Speed is a secondary consideration for a laptop for me. Ease of use, speed at booting or awakening. It is SO nice to touch the space bar on my MAC and have everything back just where I left it instantly. A laptop like that would be great -

I mostly want the laptop screen for viewing of files - not editing so much as cropping and viewing. I want a PB or an iB before mid-February when I start travelling again.

Well, the 15in iBook is a 14in iBook.

And there's a big difference. The 14in iBook actually has the same resolution as the 12in iBook. It's just a bigger screen. Same number of pixels, though. Longer battery life, but also bigger/heavier. I would never get the 14in, unless I had aging eyes and needed the larger screen.

12in iBook, 12, 15, or 17in pbook, depending on your pref.

pathfinder

Jan-25-2005, 10:21 AM

Well, the 15in iBook is a 14in iBook.

And there's a big difference. The 14in iBook actually has the same resolution as the 12in iBook. It's just a bigger screen. Same number of pixels, though. Longer battery life, but also bigger/heavier. I would never get the 14in, unless I had aging eyes and needed the larger screen.

12in iBook, 12, 15, or 17in pbook, depending on your pref.
Thanks - that helps me sort this out some more:1drink

dkapp

Jan-25-2005, 10:29 AM

Hell, even the 12" G4 PB gets so freakin hot it burns your palms and thighs.

I've read a lot about this, but I've never had that problem with mine. I think it only relates to the first generation 867 12".

Dave

Andy

Jan-25-2005, 10:30 AM

The 12" doesn't have a PCMCIA slot, so you will need an external card reader or cable to connect to your camera.

Dave

well, that stinks.

Andy

Jan-25-2005, 10:31 AM

Will Andy get more value for his money after the updates? Absolutely. Should he wait? Well, that's a 50/50 proposition, I think. Totally up to him and how desparately he wants to fully Apple-ify his life.

i think dave should go double or nothing with fish

:lol3

fish

Jan-25-2005, 10:36 AM

How much difference in speed is there between the 15 iBook and the 15 in PB? Is there any difference in the screens?
Major differences:

Screen: 14.1" square 1024x768 ibook; 15.2" wide 1280x854 pbook
Graphics: ATI Radeon 9200 w/32mb ibook; ATI Radeon 9700 w/64mb pbook
Speed: 1.33ghz G4 on 133mhz system bus ibook; 1.5ghz on 167mhz system bus pbook
RAM: up to 1.25gb ibook; up to 2gb pbook
Storage: 60gb ibook; 80gb pbook (these can be upgraded, tho).

Performance edge definitely goes to the powerbook.

dkapp

Jan-25-2005, 10:37 AM

well, that stinks.

Same goes for the iBook line. If you want the PCMCIA, go w/ the 15". It has a nice wide format display & very cool backlit keyboard :D

Dave

dkapp

Jan-25-2005, 10:38 AM

i think dave should go double or nothing with fish

:lol3

What do you say fish? Need more money for that lens lust?

Dave

fish

Jan-25-2005, 10:38 AM

I've read a lot about this, but I've never had that problem with mine. I think it only relates to the first generation 867 12".

Dave
Some do and some don't. When I was trying to decide between the two, I walked into the Valley Fair apple store and touched them. Thee 12" was noticeably hotter on my left palm than the 15". I brought it to the employee's attention and she said she never noticed it before :rolleyes

Even my 15" gets hot when I've been using it for a long while, without letting it idle.

fish

Jan-25-2005, 10:39 AM

What do you say fish? Need more money for that lens lust?

Dave
You're on. Not much difference between a $2 deadbeat and a $1 deadbeat. :rofl

DavidTO

Jan-25-2005, 10:47 AM

i think dave should go double or nothing with fish

:lol3

I know a sure bet when I see one...(and when I read it on another thread!)

mercphoto

Jan-25-2005, 10:47 AM

well, that stinks.

The iBooks don't have PCMCIA. Neither does a 12" pBook. You need at least a 15" pBook to get a card slot. I use a FireWire reader. Even FireWire 400 is faster than my friend's cardslot reader.

The iBook suggestion is a great one if you don't need all the features. If you need it for field work, to download images and do intial previewing, but use the Power Mac for the big stuff, then you don't really need dual-monitor support, or blazing fast performance, or huge hard drives, etc. Take the money saved and buy more glass. :) If it is your only computer, however, you are better off with the pBook.

dkapp

Jan-25-2005, 10:51 AM

You're on. Not much difference between a $2 deadbeat and a $1 deadbeat. :rofl

Actually, you need to talk to Andy about that $1. Read the last part of his post (http://www.dgrin.com/showpost.php?p=51637&postcount=1)

dkapp

Jan-25-2005, 10:52 AM

I know a sure bet when I see one...(and when I read it on another thread!)

I saw that :D

Gambling has never been a strong point for me.

Dave

patch29

Jan-25-2005, 11:55 AM

My 1ghz G4 Titanium Powerbook is 2 years old, and just now starting to show real signs of age as far as keeping up with the upgrades. Boat anchor after six months? Hardly.

This is my main computer and has been for two years. I often have to process several hundred raw files. It is definitely not the fastest but it will get the job done in a decent amount of time. I have become very good at getting it set up to run overnight. I leave and it keeps working while I play or sleep. I am waiting for a big bump in the PB line, hopefully G5, even a dual core G4 would work (dual G5 would be even better :evil :rofl ). I could really use a dual G5, but as Fish stated it, you may have the fastest and best, but very soon there will be something better. I have decided to sit on the sidelines for a while and deal with what I have, until there is a huge improvement. I am starting to save for that new computer though, since I know it will be inevitable that I get one. :deal

mercphoto

Jan-25-2005, 11:58 AM

dkapp

Jan-25-2005, 12:08 PM

Anyone have any thoughts about a 20" G5 iMac? I'm wondering mostly about the quality of the display. I would imagine its better than my 12" PowerBook in terms of viewing angle and color accuracy. I'm lusting after that machine.

It is awesome! I drool over it every time I'm at the Apple Store. I'm not sure if its the same display in the 20" Studio mount, but it has to be close.

Dave

patch29

Jan-25-2005, 12:15 PM

Anyone have any thoughts about a 20" G5 iMac? I'm wondering mostly about the quality of the display. I would imagine its better than my 12" PowerBook in terms of viewing angle and color accuracy. I'm lusting after that machine.

This site (http://www.barefeats.com/) has a lot of good speed comparisons to see if a machine will be a lot faster. I have thought about a 20" G5 imac since it would be a good compromise, get me to the G5 chipset and would seem to have a long life for general computer use if you bought a faster machine down the road. How fast of a computer do you need to email, surf and do day to day things? The color is probably as good as a 12" if not better. I like the PB line because it runs a dual monitor set up very well and I can run a CRT to get better color. That is probably why I am waiting for the new PBs and not jumping on a desktop. I do a lot of work on the road.

fish

Jan-25-2005, 12:23 PM

fish

Jan-26-2005, 01:56 PM

Some words from a workmate on why it's highly unlikely that a G5 powerbook will ship in 2005:

The biggie: ~25 watt power draw at a lower performance setting, though rumor has it the SOI version of the 970FX will bring that down to 15W, but that's still significantly higher than the 10 or so watts for a G4 at the "max
performance" setting. We won't even talk about what would need to happen for those to arrive with significant yields at a price that would keep a PB reasonably priced and with decent availability.

I won't say that it WON'T happen, but if it does the cooling solution will be
"interesting" and battery life will be noticeably less than with the current
generation of PowerBooks.

Then again, Athlon 64 laptops exist with those CPUs' typical power draw also in the 25w range, but none of them are anywhere near as sleek or light as Apple customers have come to demand from their PowerBooks.

In short, a G5 PowerBook at present would have to weigh at least 8 lbs, be as thick or thicker than an iBook, and would have a battery life of around two hours, if you're lucky; I don't think any of those factors would fly with PB customers just to get G5 performance in a laptop...

Andy

Jan-26-2005, 04:43 PM

and an additional 1gb ram from crucial. i upgr the disk to the faster 80gb.

they may announce something, they may not. that's okay, i'm not the sort to wait.

1.33ghz is an upgrade in speed for me anyhow.

thank you all, for your help and advice!

DavidTO

Jan-26-2005, 04:53 PM

Conrats, Andy. Is your home now fully upgraded? Just checking, cause once that's complete, we need to move on to your work environment!

Andy

Jan-26-2005, 04:57 PM

Conrats, Andy. Is your home now fully upgraded? Just checking, cause once that's complete, we need to move on to your work environment!

have two add'l pcs in the house. they'll stay :D

fish

Jan-26-2005, 05:16 PM

Conrats, Andy. Is your home now fully upgraded? Just checking, cause once that's complete, we need to move on to your work environment! Mac Mini might make an excellent home theater controller for andy-boy. :nod

Congrats on pulling the trigger on the PB. You'll enjoy it. They're just so damn elegant.

I bought a silver Pelican 1500 case for my 15" pb and stuff, cuz it stacks nicely on top of the black 1500 camera case (20D, 24-70/2.8L, 70-200/2.8L IS, and 580EX) in the back of my 4runner.

fish

Jan-26-2005, 05:21 PM

have two add'l pcs in the house. they'll stay :D
That's what I said until I spent a six hour evening trying to get the PCs to talk to the Macs. The Macs had no problem talking to the PCs, but the PCs just ignored the Macs. No PCs have electrons flowing through them in my house now (although one of them did for a short period today, while I transferred my turbotax archives off of it to the iMac :)

Andy

Jan-26-2005, 06:46 PM

apple really
http://www.introknocks.com/Merchant2/images/cu005.jpg

i called them to ask why there was no option for expedited shipping on my order. they don't have that option for the powerbooks, so they rep told me that instead of cancelling my order, they'd give me an additional $75 off my order.

:clap apple

Andy

Jan-26-2005, 06:47 PM

Mac Mini might make an excellent home theater controller for andy-boy. :nod

Congrats on pulling the trigger on the PB. You'll enjoy it. They're just so damn elegant.

I bought a silver Pelican 1500 case for my 15" pb and stuff, cuz it stacks nicely on top of the black 1500 camera case (20D, 24-70/2.8L, 70-200/2.8L IS, and 580EX) in the back of my 4runner.

fishy, d'ya think waxolicious would appreciate a case like that for my new powerbook for when he's caddying for me in yosemite?

Andy

Jan-26-2005, 06:50 PM

That's what I said until I spent a six hour evening trying to get the PCs to talk to the Macs. The Macs had no problem talking to the PCs, but the PCs just ignored the Macs. No PCs have electrons flowing through them in my house now (although one of them did for a short period today, while I transferred my turbotax archives off of it to the iMac :)

pcs are used by mrs. w and issue. mrs. w and issue are *not* allowed to talk to the mac - period.

i have access to the pcs but don't want it the other way around.

:deal

fish

Jan-26-2005, 07:17 PM

fishy, d'ya think waxolicious would appreciate a case like that for my new powerbook for when he's caddying for me in yosemite? Absolutely. They even have places to clip a shoulder strap, so if you have your sherpa tote your gear several miles out into the woods, he'll appreciate that feature.

Here are some shots of my current bomb-proof setup. I can only carry one of them on the motorcycle at a time, but in the 4Runner, they stack and stay put in the back, even during aggressive 4WD maneuvers (cargo net). If I feel the need to take more than two lenses, then I'll bring one of the lowepros. Tripod, lightstands, 'brellas, etc are in separate case, naturally.

shots taken with 10D, 28-135 IS, and internal flash:

http://coyfish.smugmug.com/photos/14858196-L.jpg

The black case also carries the charger, extra 511, and two 4-packs of rechargeable AAs (flashes). The silver case also carries the AC power adapter, Delkin cardbus CF reader, mouse, retractable CAT5 cable, and airport express.

http://coyfish.smugmug.com/photos/14858197-L.jpg

http://coyfish.smugmug.com/photos/14858198-L.jpg

i couldn't resist posting a pic of your sherpa...
http://coyfish.smugmug.com/photos/14607461-L.jpg

just some ideas.

Andy

Jan-26-2005, 07:21 PM

i couldn't resist posting a pic of your sherpa...
http://coyfish.smugmug.com/photos/14607461-L.jpg

just some ideas.

there's no limit to the type of help we can expect here on dgrin, and the fact that you would put yourself out there to help me like this, why hey, would somebody get me a tissue?

fish

Jan-26-2005, 08:10 PM

there's no limit to the type of help we can expect here on dgrin, and the fact that you would put yourself out there to help me like this, why hey, would somebody get me a tissue?
We aim to please, andrew. You aim too, please.

DavidTO

Jan-26-2005, 11:16 PM

DavidTO

Jan-26-2005, 11:18 PM

have two add'l pcs in the house. they'll stay :D

Andy, Andy, Andy. You have so much more to learn, my son.

<sigh>

Fish, Pathfinder. Help me here. We've got our work cut out for us with this one.

rutt

Jan-27-2005, 05:53 AM

It's always so easy to fall into the straight man role with Fish, but here goes anyway. These cases look really nice for camera and lenses. For notebook computer, it seems pretty self defeating. If you are going to use a case that big, you might as well take an iMac and a generator. I like the backback that Apple sells for the 17-inch PB. It also fits my intel (linux) notebook, and can even carry both if I need to. And still have room for a change of clothes or business stuff (a book or two, a paper document, assorted gear.) It's only shortcomming, too few zippered pockets inside. It's made by Brenthaven.

I've been hauling notebooks around on airplanes since 1992 and I like this solution best by far of any that I've had before.

fish

Jan-27-2005, 08:06 AM

Andy

Jan-28-2005, 09:37 AM

patch29

Jan-28-2005, 10:40 AM

didn't want to wait 12 days to get the darn thing, so i hoofed down to soho and picked up the machine from the soho store.

now... to wipe clean my sony laptop, so i can send it off to it's new owner :D

Here (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1319116) are a few photos of Andy, incognito, purchasing a few other items at the Apple store.

I guess it is safe to say you have been bitten by the Apple bug? Do you have an ipod yet? :ear

What else can we help Andy buy? :deal :evil

Andy

Jan-28-2005, 10:46 AM

Here (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1319116) are a few photos of Andy, incognito, purchasing a few other items at the Apple store.

I guess it is safe to say you have been bitten by the Apple bug? Do you have an ipod yet? :ear

What else can we help Andy buy? :deal :evil

and we have five ipods between us. only one ipod-less is my son trevor, and he's just 5 and a half, so give him a little time :D

funny story... i gave him my old sony system once i got the new mac installed at my home studio.... and his setup is like four feet away, but faces sort of away from me... i'm working on some photos, deep into it, y'know? "daddy... daddy.... DADDY!!!!!!!!! COME HERE WHAT'S THIS BLUE SCREEN WITH ALL THESE FUNNY NUMBERS ON IT?" :lol3 i kid you not

patch29

Jan-28-2005, 10:46 AM

You need this (http://www.bogenimaging.us/product/templates/itemalone.php3?itemid=1131) to hold your laptop so you can shoot tethered and get those giant previews, plus you can set it to write your files to both your laptop and memory card. I have been working with my friend's 1Ds mkII and 15" PB and it does not hit the buffer or slow down it you trigger the shutter release from the camera or cable release. You can also set your laptop up to take some time lapse photos.

If you 12" is small enough you might even be able to use this setup (http://www.bogenimaging.us/product/templates/itemalone.php3?itemid=883) to hold the laptop. You would really impress those you are shooting for with that setup. :thumb

patch29

Jan-28-2005, 10:47 AM

and we have five ipods between us. only one ipod-less is my son trevor, and he's just 5 and a half, so give him a little time :D

funny story... i gave him my old sony system once i got the new mac installed at my home studio.... and his setup is like four feet away, but faces sort of away from me... i'm working on some photos, deep into it, y'know? "daddy... daddy.... DADDY!!!!!!!!! COME HERE WHAT'S THIS BLUE SCREEN WITH ALL THESE FUNNY NUMBERS ON IT?" :lol3 i kid you not

:rofl

He only needs the 512mb shuffle right now. :D

DavidTO

Jan-28-2005, 10:57 AM

and we have five ipods between us. only one ipod-less is my son trevor, and he's just 5 and a half, so give him a little time :D

funny story... i gave him my old sony system once i got the new mac installed at my home studio.... and his setup is like four feet away, but faces sort of away from me... i'm working on some photos, deep into it, y'know? "daddy... daddy.... DADDY!!!!!!!!! COME HERE WHAT'S THIS BLUE SCREEN WITH ALL THESE FUNNY NUMBERS ON IT?" :lol3 i kid you not

That's very funny. Only problem with kids is they grow up. I miss my little ones.

Anyway, we already know you love your G5/30" display, I'd love to hear your impressions of the 12".

Andy

Jan-28-2005, 11:41 AM

:rofl

He only needs the 512mb shuffle right now. :D

wife uses the shuffle-pod
i have a 15 and want to sell it so i can get a mini (size matters!)

:D

Andy

Jan-28-2005, 11:45 AM

Andy, Andy, Andy. You have so much more to learn, my son.

<sigh>

Fish, Pathfinder. Help me here. We've got our work cut out for us with this one.

oh yeah, they're staying. i've no need to toss a perfectly good sony setup, it's fine for my wife and 5 year old.

thanks though :D you can talk till yer blue, but i'm not switchin those machines... not until trev has games he wants to play and they're too slow on the box.. should last another year or two anyhow...

DavidTO

Jan-28-2005, 11:49 AM

oh yeah, they're staying. i've no need to toss a perfectly good sony setup, it's fine for my wife and 5 year old.

thanks though :D you can talk till yer blue, but i'm not switchin those machines... not until trev has games he wants to play and they're too slow on the box.. should last another year or two anyhow...

shuttin' up.

;)

Andy

Jan-28-2005, 12:42 PM

That's very funny. Only problem with kids is they grow up. I miss my little ones.

Anyway, we already know you love your G5/30" display, I'd love to hear your impressions of the 12".

i have a great experience. open the box, plug in... signed on in 2 mins, the machine went and fetched necessary sw updates and the whole process took about 10 mins or so. very efficient.

love the keyboard, the feel of the brushed aluminum, the look of the screen, everything about this totally rawks!

tonight i'll load up photoshop cs, ms office etc and then i'll be finished....

DavidTO

Jan-28-2005, 12:45 PM

i have a great experience. open the box, plug in... signed on in 2 mins, the machine went and fetched necessary sw updates and the whole process took about 10 mins or so. very efficient.

love the keyboard, the feel of the brushed aluminum, the look of the screen, everything about this totally rawks!

tonight i'll load up photoshop cs, ms office etc and then i'll be finished....

Cool. Don't forget your basic Macintosh Maintenance for a problem-free computing experience. (http://homepage.mac.com/david_rosenthal/MacintoshTroubleShooting.htm)

mercphoto

Jan-28-2005, 01:10 PM

i have a great experience. open the box, plug in... signed on in 2 mins, the machine went and fetched necessary sw updates and the whole process took about 10 mins or so. very efficient.

This, my friend, is exactly why Macintosh is worth the price delta (and we know the price delta is nowehere near as high as people believe it is, once you compare feature-comparable and bundled software-comparable machines).

Macs simply work better.

wxwax

Jan-28-2005, 01:39 PM

This, my friend, is exactly why Macintosh is worth the price delta (and we know the price delta is nowehere near as high as people believe it is, once you compare feature-comparable and bundled software-comparable machines).

Macs simply work better.
Look, I'm no computer expert, far from it. And I don't have a horse in this race.

But what Andy describes is precisely, to a 'T", how it went with my latest computer purchase, a PC assembled locally. I'm not sure I see any difference in ease of start-up. :dunno Plug in monitor, plug in keyboard, plug in speakers, turn on computer and.... compute.

mercphoto

Jan-28-2005, 02:14 PM

Look, I'm no computer expert, far from it. And I don't have a horse in this race. But what Andy describes is precisely, to a 'T", how it went with my latest computer purchase, a PC assembled locally.

And I know so few people like that in the PC world. Whether its at initial purchase. Or when adding a peripheral. Or even adding memory (why does the PC world insist on BIOS setup screens anymore is beyond me). How many times do I read a review of PC software where they ask "but why can't it be as good as the Apple offering?"

PC's are better than they used to be. Especially 10 years ago when I worked in a Compatibility Lab for Texas Instruments, back when they made motherboard chip sets. It was horrible back then. Windows is better than it used to be. But it always lags behind Apple.

DoctorIt

Jan-28-2005, 02:28 PM

i have a great experience. open the box, plug in... signed on in 2 mins, the machine went and fetched necessary sw updates and the whole process took about 10 mins or so. very efficient.

love the keyboard, the feel of the brushed aluminum, the look of the screen, everything about this totally rawks!

tonight i'll load up photoshop cs, ms office etc and then i'll be finished....that was my experience as well. so easy! so pretty! (as far as first experiences with technology go, the 12 PB ranked #1)

Andy

Jan-28-2005, 03:40 PM

Look, I'm no computer expert, far from it. And I don't have a horse in this race.

But what Andy describes is precisely, to a 'T", how it went with my latest computer purchase, a PC assembled locally. I'm not sure I see any difference in ease of start-up. :dunno Plug in monitor, plug in keyboard, plug in speakers, turn on computer and.... compute.

never a pc problem for me, either. but i switched anyway :scratch

seriously, my winxp machines, firewall, network, music server, all run fine in my house.

i want to say it loud and clear, i'm not a mac-vangelist, i'm only reporting my results & experiences :D that said, i'm diggin the macs, fer sure.

Andy

Jan-31-2005, 07:37 AM

updated powerbooks announced today.

http://store.apple.com

the apple store in soho has one for me, and will make the exchange. :clap

DoctorIt

Jan-31-2005, 07:51 AM

updated powerbooks announced today.

http://store.apple.com

the apple store in soho has one for me, and will make the exchange. :clapDayum, they slipped in a 1.5ghz. Anything else improved that I can't see on the spec list at the moment?

patch29

Jan-31-2005, 07:55 AM

updated powerbooks announced today.

http://store.apple.com

the apple store in soho has one for me, and will make the exchange. :clap

Sweet, bummer no dual core or G5. It is also a little odd for them to make an announcement on a Monday. I thought they usually do it on a Tuesday. :scratch

Apple today unveiled the fastest, most affordable PowerBook line ever, featuring PowerPC G4 processors running up to 1.67 GHz, faster hard drives and a faster 8X SuperDrive -- all housed in the PowerBook's signature aluminum enclosure. All new PowerBooks come standard with 512MB memory, faster graphics, integrated AirPort? 802.11g, Bluetooth 2.0 wireless networking and two new Apple patent-pending technologies?the scrolling TrackPad and the Sudden Motion Sensor.
The new PowerBooks are available at the Apple Store:

12inch, 1.5GHz, 512MB RAM, 60GB, $1499
15inch, 1.5GHz, 512MB RAM, 80GB, $1999
15inch, 1.67GHz, 512MB RAM, 80GB, Superdrive, $2299
17inch, 1.67GHz, 512MB RAM, 100GB, Superdrive, $2699

They also have a 12" Superdrive.

http://www.apple.com/powerbook/specs.html

marlof

Jan-31-2005, 07:58 AM

updated powerbooks announced today.Great, I've been waiting for this one. Cause this might as well be the end of the production of the G4 PB, and that means most quirks will have been dealt with. Will *not* get a Rev A Apple of anything (including the G5 PB if it ever will be released), after having seen people in my surrounding been bitten by the Rev A bug, meaning not having access to their gear until Apple fixed it (which they always did in a great way, got to admit that).

So here we go: the 15.2" Power Book 1.67 G4 I've specced out (128mb video, 100GB hard disk, 2 GB memory) now is about the same price as the Power Mac 2.0 G5 DP I specced out earlier (128 mb video, 250 GB hard disk, 2 GB memory). And I'll get only one of those two. The Power Mac would be connected to a 17" widescreen TFT that I have that gives about the same screen estate the PB will do. So it's all about processing power vs. portability. The most processing hungry task I do is caused by Photoshop, and so far I've been doing my Photoshopping on an aging Pentium 4 1.7 with only 256 MB of RAM, or an iBook 800 G3, with 640 of RAM, so it'll probably be an upgrade one way or the other.

Choices. Choices.

mercphoto

Jan-31-2005, 08:02 AM

Dayum, they slipped in a 1.5ghz. Anything else improved that I can't see on the spec list at the moment?

5400 rpm drives standard now, and can get as big as 100G. Sudden motion sensor parks the hard disk in event of a fall. All have bluetooth now, and the newest version of it. Superdrive bumped to 8X. Those are the big improvements. And a price drop, to boot.

patch29

Jan-31-2005, 08:10 AM

DoctorIt

Jan-31-2005, 08:10 AM

5400 rpm drives standard now, and can get as big as 100G. Sudden motion sensor parks the hard disk in event of a fall. All have bluetooth now, and the newest version of it. Superdrive bumped to 8X. Those are the big improvements. And a price drop, to boot.mine has SMS, and bluetooth (don't know the version). but mine is only 6 months old, so maybe I got an intermediate one. whatever, I love it, works great. Once I get another display so I can take advantage of the dual-display, I'll be a happy camper.

anyone have a display with decent color they want to get rid of on the cheap??? :deal

patch29

Jan-31-2005, 08:11 AM

maybe you need the big brother Andy with the 128mb vram so you can take the 30" on the road?

128MB of graphics memory with dual-link DVI functionality supports the massive 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Display.

patch29

Jan-31-2005, 08:14 AM

anyone have a display with decent color they want to get rid of on the cheap??? :deal

I think my Sony is on the way out. The color is good, but some of the black values are not consistent across the screen, but the price would be right, free (once I replace it).

DoctorIt

Jan-31-2005, 08:19 AM

I think my Sony is on the way out. The color is good, but some of the black values are not consistent across the screen, but the price would be right, free (once I replace it).patch rocks! lemme know :D

mercphoto

Jan-31-2005, 09:19 AM

Hmmm.... new 12" PB to replace my 867MHz one, or G5 iMac instead. Decisions...

DavidTO

Jan-31-2005, 09:33 AM

updated powerbooks announced today.

http://store.apple.com

the apple store in soho has one for me, and will make the exchange. :clap

Once again, Apple rocks hard.

Andy, just to put this in perspective, just over 2 years ago, I bought my 1ghz, 60gbdrive 15" Titanium Powerbook. Cost me $3000.

rutt

Jan-31-2005, 10:18 AM

Once again, Apple rocks hard.

Andy, just to put this in perspective, just over 2 years ago, I bought my 1ghz, 60gbdrive 15" Titanium Powerbook. Cost me $3000.
Just have to wave my bad attitude in front of the magic apple reality distortion field. I know it will have no effect, but there you are.

How fast do modern powerbooks transfer images from a flashcard over the fastest thing (usb 2, firewire, pcmcia?) Getting the images and previewing/editing them is my number 1 notebook task and at this task my 1GHz pb is about 5x slower than my linux 2GHz pentium-M nootbook -- enough to be hard to use. The G5's are plenty fast at this, though.

DoctorIt

Jan-31-2005, 10:19 AM

Andy, tell us how well this works.

Ready to Scroll

Scrolling through web pages or large documents on a trackpad can challenge even the most nimble fingers. That’s why every PowerBook G4 features a new trackpad with scrolling capability. Just drag two fingers over the trackpad to scroll vertically and horizontally or pan around any active window. Change this feature to suit your needs: Customize your trackpad settings or turn off scrolling completely via System Preferences.I downloaded some shareware that does this for my current powerbook. It's awesome, major time saver, also gives me right click and just about any other custom function you can think up. Lets you configure size of the "hot spot" and so on. Definitely worth $15.

It's called sidetrack (found it on versiontracker) (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/20854)

Funny that this was included on my old Toshiba laptop... not quite as configurable, but the scrolling was there for sure.

DoctorIt

Jan-31-2005, 10:21 AM

Just have to wave my bad attitude in front of the magic apple reality distortion field. I know it will have no effect, but there you are.

How fast do modern powerbooks transfer images from a flashcard over the fastest thing (usb 2, firewire, pcmcia?) Getting the images and previewing/editing them is my number 1 notebook task and at this task my 1GHz pb is about 5x slower than my linux 2GHz pentium-M nootbook -- enough to be hard to use. The G5's are plenty fast at this, though.Sadly, this is true. I haven't done a quantitative test, but yes, my G4 PB is much slower than my Toshiba was. It's not a deal breaker for me. Even a full 1GB card transfer (not a fast card either) is only enough time to go to the kitchen and grab a cookie or refill a drink :D

Andy

Jan-31-2005, 10:31 AM

i went down to the apple store in soho. the new units are not in stock, expecting a boatload before the week is out. they did give me $300 more credit off of my purchase of the 12" g4 i bought on friday... bringing the total cost of that box down to $1000 + tax. that's a helluva deal.

i'm deciding right now on if i want to order the new model.. can do for $100 restocking fee (usually i'm against these but in this case, hell, the i'm typing on the pb right now!, so it's used for crying out loud :D) anyhow, i like the faster disk, and the faster processor.

... calling apple right now i think.

andy

photocat

Jan-31-2005, 10:45 AM

Anyone have any thoughts about a 20" G5 iMac? I'm wondering mostly about the quality of the display. I would imagine its better than my 12" PowerBook in terms of viewing angle and color accuracy. I'm lusting after that machine.

I have one and I love it. I came from the small ibook 12 inch (given to me by my husband as engagement gift in 2001). The iMac g5 is wonderful...
Nice screen, good colors, fast... (Just watch what voltage it has, I burned mine by plugging it into the wrong voltage mains, it needed a new powersupply)
I would recommend it to anybody working with pics.

Andy

Jan-31-2005, 10:46 AM

Andy, tell us how well this works.

i will tell you.

just ordered the newer model.

the old one will be returned upon receipt of the new one. i must say, apple makes is really easy.

so, i went for the newer mod b/c of the following: better resale value, faster proc, faster disks.

DavidTO

Jan-31-2005, 10:53 AM

Just have to wave my bad attitude in front of the magic apple reality distortion field. I know it will have no effect, but there you are.

How fast do modern powerbooks transfer images from a flashcard over the fastest thing (usb 2, firewire, pcmcia?) Getting the images and previewing/editing them is my number 1 notebook task and at this task my 1GHz pb is about 5x slower than my linux 2GHz pentium-M nootbook -- enough to be hard to use. The G5's are plenty fast at this, though.
How are you doing it on the pbook? USB, you prolly have USB 1? Are you using PCMCIA? If not, you should, IMO.

We need details, Rutt. Just ask Fish, details are very important.

pathfinder

Jan-31-2005, 11:32 AM

As usual, I am late to the party, but I did read about the upgrades here

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=77&e=3&u=/mc/20050131/tc_mc/applebumpspowerbooksto167ghzlowersprice

I think this sounds much more interesting now. 15" PB sounds like the ticket for Yosemite to me :1drink

rutt

Jan-31-2005, 11:48 AM

How are you doing it on the pbook? USB, you prolly have USB 1? Are you using PCMCIA? If not, you should, IMO.

We need details, Rutt. Just ask Fish, details are very important.
I have tried everything there is. I started with PCMCIA, but not only was that slow, it also interred with other things I was doing at the same time. Then I tried firewire, which was better. The USB 2 Crucial Memory flashcard worked the best, but the very same thing is about 4x faster on my intel notebook and also on my g5.

You cannot compare the bus speeds for the current crop of processors with a generation ago. Right on the apple spec page, it says these processors have a system bus speed of 167MHz. That's about 1/2 the memory speed, so they can't even take advantage o the 333MHz memory, let alone firewire or usb 2 which are both significantly faster. Compare this to the bus speeds of the G5 models: 600 MHz for the 1.8GHz model and 1.25GHz/processor for the 2.5GHz model. Now that could keep up with your usb 2 card or whatever. Pentium-M notebooks have bus speeds of either 400 or 533MHz depending on whether you get the super deluxe model or not.

The truth will set you free.

fish

Jan-31-2005, 12:08 PM

hey rutt, how's 132mb/s via cardbus?

rutt

Jan-31-2005, 12:16 PM

hey rutt, how's 132mb/s via cardbus?
Just look at the spec. It sounds like cardbus is a lot slower than usb 2 or firewire and the slow pbook system bus should just be able to handle it. But nothing else at the same time, which matches my experience. Also cardbus is really ide and requires more processor interention than firewire or usb 2. Which explains why cardbus transfers interfer with other parallel tasks.

fish

Jan-31-2005, 02:04 PM

Just look at the spec. It sounds like cardbus is a lot slower than usb 2 or firewire and the slow pbook system bus should just be able to handle it. But nothing else at the same time, which matches my experience. Also cardbus is really ide and requires more processor interention than firewire or usb 2. Which explains why cardbus transfers interfer with other parallel tasks.

Specs don't necessarily reflect real world. In real world, with my G4 powerbook, the Delkin cardbus adapter is probably 40-50% faster than my lexar FW reader, which is several times faster than my USB 2.0 reader.

You could read this...
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0310/03102103delkincardbustest.asp

or you could do what I did and buy one of each and test them yourself. :doh

rutt

Jan-31-2005, 02:45 PM

Specs don't necessarily reflect real world. In real world, with my G4 powerbook, the Delkin cardbus adapter is probably 40-50% faster than my lexar FW reader, which is several times faster than my USB 2.0 reader.

You could read this...
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0310/03102103delkincardbustest.asp

or you could do what I did and buy one of each and test them yourself. :doh Looks like it's worth a try for my windows notebook, but the specs show that the pbs are limited by their buses. There may be other bottlenecks, but they can never make full use of anything faster than 133MHz. Even in the real world, impossible things can't happen.

mercphoto

Jan-31-2005, 03:04 PM

Looks like it's worth a try for my windows notebook, but the specs show that the pbs are limited by their buses. There may be other bottlenecks, but they can never make full use of anything faster than 133MHz. Even in the real world, impossible things can't happen.

133MHz on an 8-bit-wide bus is a gigabits per second. The bus is wider than 8-bits. Therefore, it should easily keep pace with Firewire 800, gigabit ethernet, etc. But in general you are correct that the bus is the common bottleneck in the computer.

Andy

Jan-31-2005, 05:05 PM

what sort of reader should i get for my powerbook. what'll be fastest reader that attaches by usb or firewire? and is portable.

rutt

Jan-31-2005, 05:09 PM

what sort of reader should i get for my powerbook. what'll be fastest reader that attaches by usb or firewire? and is portable.
Andy, all these things are so cheap compared to what you've already spent. Go out and buy one of each. If you don't to keep them all, return the ones you don't lile (but that won't really be worth it.) In your total computer/camera budget for the last 6 months it's less than a rounding error.

patch29

Jan-31-2005, 05:10 PM

what sort of reader should i get for my powerbook. what'll be fastest reader that attaches by usb or firewire? and is portable.

I place my vote for Firewire. :thumb

mercphoto

Jan-31-2005, 05:36 PM

what sort of reader should i get for my powerbook. what'll be fastest reader that attaches by usb or firewire? and is portable.

Firewire. For all the hype of USB 2.0 and its supposed faster data rates, it is not as fast as Firewire 400. Same if you buy an external hard disk, get FireWire. I just wish the Epson P2000 had FW instead of USB2.

Andy

Jan-31-2005, 05:55 PM

so i buy my ram not from apple, it's a heckuva lot cheaper from crucial (newegg, kensington, others too..)

anyhow, the 1gm sodimm snaps into the powerbook in about 8 seconds. piece o' cake.

i giggle at the apple rep on the phone, when they say that "applecare won't cover that" but then, why are there instructions on how to do it in the apple manual?

hehehee

anyhow, fwiw, it's a cinch and nobody with a 00 phillips screwdriver should be afraid of it.

and remember, kids: "lefty-loosy, righty-tighty"

:lol3

Andy

Jan-31-2005, 05:56 PM

Andy, all these things are so cheap compared to what you've already spent. Go out and buy one of each. If you don't to keep them all, return the ones you don't lile (but that won't really be worth it.) In your total computer/camera budget for the last 6 months it's less than a rounding error.

it's not the money. it's that i hate going back into best buy for returns :D

DavidTO

Jan-31-2005, 06:40 PM

and remember, kids: "lefty-loosy, righty-tighty"

I thought it was tighty-whitey? Am I missing something here?

Andy

Jan-31-2005, 06:43 PM

patch29

Feb-01-2005, 05:18 AM

Rob Galbraith has some CF card to computer tests here. (http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-6133) He determined the Lexar FW reader to be the fastest and Mac OS 10.3 to be much quicker at downloading cards than Mac OS 10.2. There is only a paragraph of his reader conclusions, but it might give some insight.

DavidTO

Feb-01-2005, 09:59 AM

photoshop perf test from fredmiranda

www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/145693

on the pbook, 12" 1.33ghz, 4800 speed disk, 1.25 gb ram, the test ran in 75 seconds. still faster than my old sony desktop 2.3ghz system, 2gb ram, and faster onboard disks.. that ran in 119seconds.

i'll run the test again with the new pb on thurs or fri when i get it.

for info:

www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/145693

I don't know, but wouldn't it make sense then that the Mac Mini running at 1.25 or 1.42ghz is faster than your Sony 2.3 ghz? Also, for that test, disk speed's not really an issue, is it? Unless you're running virtual memory, whicih would slow you way down in any case.

Andy

Feb-01-2005, 10:55 AM

I don't know, but wouldn't it make sense then that the Mac Mini running at 1.25 or 1.42ghz is faster than your Sony 2.3 ghz? Also, for that test, disk speed's not really an issue, is it? Unless you're running virtual memory, whicih would slow you way down in any case.

apple does the right thing - again -

i was told that the new laptop would arrive tomorrow, turns out it's arriving on thrusday. no biggie really, but apple emailed me and said that they were eliminating the shipping fees and crediting me back $75 :D

:clap

Andy

Feb-04-2005, 06:48 AM

Andy, all these things are so cheap compared to what you've already spent. Go out and buy one of each. If you don't to keep them all, return the ones you don't lile (but that won't really be worth it.) In your total computer/camera budget for the last 6 months it's less than a rounding error.

i got the one from crucial.com $10, no shipping. it's small, light, and i can stick it in my bag easy. and, it works.

DoctorIt

Feb-04-2005, 07:24 AM

i got the one from crucial.com $10, no shipping. it's small, light, and i can stick it in my bag easy. and, it works.a firewire card reader? i'm on my way to get one too... cool

Andy

Feb-04-2005, 07:34 AM

a firewire card reader? i'm on my way to get one too... cool

actually, it's usb 2.0

DoctorIt

Feb-04-2005, 07:37 AM

actually, it's usb 2.0yeah, just found it. i was surprised, cause I've never seen a firewire card reader.

fish

Feb-04-2005, 08:46 AM

yeah, just found it. i was surprised, cause I've never seen a firewire card reader.
http://www.lexarmedia.com/readers/firewire.html

DoctorIt

Feb-04-2005, 09:36 AM

http://www.lexarmedia.com/readers/firewire.htmlneat, but damn, expensive! is it really that much faster?

Andy

Feb-04-2005, 09:42 AM

well, the new pb didn't get here from china in time for my trip next week, so i trotted down to the apple store in soho, old pb in hand and my receipt. they exchanged my old pb for a new one, no probs. and oh, becuase i was told yes, they had the combo drive version in stock, but actually that was wrong, would i take a super drive model instead?

sure. apple rocks.

oh and whoever asked, that two-finger scrolly thingie on the track pad is su-weeet

Andy

Feb-04-2005, 09:48 AM

the add'l memory installed no prob.

DavidTO

Feb-04-2005, 09:51 AM

Andy

Feb-04-2005, 09:54 AM

No restocking fee? What happens to the one in transit? Where are you travelling to?

no restocking fee. they "took care" of it becuase of the delay in getting me the orig new machine i ordered via the web. the one in transit is being re-routed back to apple.

i'm going to california next week.

there all q's answered :lol3

patch29

Feb-04-2005, 09:57 AM

oh and whoever asked, that two-finger scrolly thingie on the track pad is su-weeet

:wave glad to know it works, time to start saving for a new PB. :deal

DavidTO

Feb-04-2005, 09:59 AM

no restocking fee. they "took care" of it becuase of the delay in getting me the orig new machine i ordered via the web. the one in transit is being re-routed back to apple.

i'm going to california next week.

there all q's answered :lol3

ah, but where in ca?

DoctorIt

Feb-04-2005, 10:04 AM

:wave glad to know it works, time to start saving for a new PB. :dealdidn't I post a link to sidetrack up here? i understand if you still want a new PB, but you can have scrolling on your current track pad. it rocks!

patch29

Feb-05-2005, 03:00 AM

didn't I post a link to sidetrack up here? i understand if you still want a new PB, but you can have scrolling on your current track pad. it rocks!

Yes, I found your link. I must have missed it. I just saw it discussed on another forum. Glad it works for you. I need to try it out. :thumb

patch29

Feb-05-2005, 03:55 AM

didn't I post a link to sidetrack up here? i understand if you still want a new PB, but you can have scrolling on your current track pad. it rocks!

I just installed it. It seems to work well. I need to give it some time to get used to it. I also set up expose as a hot corner, I never think about using it, but love it when I remember. Hopefully as a hot corner I will learn to use it more. :thumb

Andy

Feb-05-2005, 03:59 AM

I just installed it. It seems to work well. I need to give it some time to get used to it. I also set up expose as a hot corner, I never think about using it, but love it when I remember. Hopefully as a hot corner I will learn to use it more. :thumb

'splain, loocy. gracias.

patch29

Feb-05-2005, 04:19 AM

'splain, loocy. gracias.

Which part? Sidetrack is scrolling for older powerbooks.

Expose is the ability to see all open windows at once (and some other options) by hitting the F9 key or you can go to your system preferences, choose expose and set a corner of the screen to active, and it will active expose or a screen saver, etc, when you drag your mouse or trackpad pointer to the designated corner.

If you have not tried it, it is super cool when you have a lot of windows or open images to get where you want to quickly. :thumb

Andy

Feb-05-2005, 04:53 AM

.. choose expose and set a corner of the screen to active, and it will active expose or a screen saver, etc, when you drag your mouse or trackpad pointer to the designated corner.

:thumb

patch29

Feb-05-2005, 05:07 AM

:thumb

can you open a lot of files on your 30", then do a screenshot with expose so we can all be amazed at how many files you can show at once. :D

Andy

Feb-05-2005, 06:43 AM

can you open a lot of files on your 30", then do a screenshot with expose so we can all be amazed at how many files you can show at once. :D

here you go. coupla photoshop files (that's gubbsie chimping :lol3), adium (multi account im client), safari with a buncha sites open in tabs, itunes...

http://www.moonriverphotography.com/photos/15365964-L.jpg

fish

Feb-05-2005, 12:39 PM

showoff. :rofl

wxwax

Feb-05-2005, 01:40 PM

D'you just click on one to make it full screen?

DavidTO

Feb-05-2005, 02:27 PM

D'you just click on one to make it full screen?

waxy,

You can try it out for yourself. Go here (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/expose/) and click the "Try it out" button. It's very cool.

DoctorIt

Feb-07-2005, 07:58 AM

showoff. :roflMy living room TV isn't 30" :wxwax

mercphoto

Feb-07-2005, 11:25 AM

Andy

Feb-07-2005, 11:27 AM

Adding memory yourself doesn't void the warranty, or Apple Care, correct? I'm going to suppliment my 12" PB with a 20" iMac G5. Don't want to spend Apple's price for an extra 1G of memory. One for the road, one for PS work at home.

no, unless you stick your screwdriver where it doesn't belong :lol3

i bought a gig from crucial.com and it's about 30 seconds to install it. i'd even trust my caddie to do it :wxwax

ian408

Feb-07-2005, 11:32 AM

Adding memory yourself doesn't void the warranty, or Apple Care, correct? I'm going to suppliment my 12" PB with a 20" iMac G5. Don't want to spend Apple's price for an extra 1G of memory. One for the road, one for PS work at home.
When I spoke to the Apple guys, they didn't seem to have a problem installing your
own memory. But I didn't ask in the context of third party memory.

My past experience has been that if you do have a problem, you'd need to reconfigure
the machine to match what's covered under the warranty before asking for help.
In practice, I haven't ever had to remove components unless sending the item in
for repair. Please keep in mind my experience is not with Apple.

Ian

DavidTO

Feb-07-2005, 12:21 PM

i'd even trust my caddie to do it :wxwax

Be careful, your caddy, wxwax, is a peecee guy. Might not get the whole Apple thing.

;)

dkapp

Feb-07-2005, 12:25 PM

When I spoke to the Apple guys, they didn't seem to have a problem installing your
own memory. But I didn't ask in the context of third party memory.

My past experience has been that if you do have a problem, you'd need to reconfigure
the machine to match what's covered under the warranty before asking for help.
In practice, I haven't ever had to remove components unless sending the item in
for repair. Please keep in mind my experience is not with Apple.

Ian

I've sent my old PB in for repair w/ 3rd party memory. Apple fixed the problem & didn't say a thing about my ram from Crucial.

Dave

DavidTO

Feb-07-2005, 12:28 PM

I've sent my old PB in for repair w/ 3rd party memory. Apple fixed the problem & didn't say a thing about my ram from Crucial.

Dave

Sure, it's a Customer Installable Part (http://www.info.apple.com/usen/cip/)

wxwax

Feb-07-2005, 01:09 PM

Be careful, your caddy, wxwax, is a peecee guy. Might not get the whole Apple thing.

;)

Ooops, what was that I dropped? It sounded expensive. :evil

:rofl

Andy

Feb-07-2005, 03:24 PM

Be careful, your caddy, wxwax, is a peecee guy. Might not get the whole Apple thing.

nah he's very reliable. and tolerant of all computing devices, as am i...

fish

Feb-07-2005, 03:38 PM

nah he's very reliable. and tolerant of all computing devices, as am i...
Reliable yes, but hypersensitive. :wink

Andy

Feb-16-2005, 04:27 PM

and upgraded to the 15"

i wanted the wider bigger screen.

somebody stop me now!

dkapp

Feb-16-2005, 04:29 PM

and upgraded to the 15"

i wanted the wider bigger screen.

somebody stop me now!

OMG...Your out of Control!

haha

Congrats on an even better laptop.

Dave

Andy

Feb-16-2005, 04:35 PM

OMG...Your out of Control!

haha

Congrats on an even better laptop.

Dave

heheheh thanks dave :D

DavidTO

Feb-16-2005, 04:55 PM

that 17" is really nice...

patch29

Feb-16-2005, 05:01 PM

and upgraded to the 15"

i wanted the wider bigger screen.

somebody stop me now!

You know you can run dual 30" displays off you G5 tower, all you need is another card. :thumb

lynnesite

Feb-16-2005, 06:05 PM

heheheh thanks dave :D

From cute, cuddly, packable to Desktop Replacement (almost), well d.r. for ordinary folks...

Musta got a discount on that new roof?! <g,d&r>

Lynne
thinking of the happiness of the kidlets in the food chain, as they gratefully accept your castoffs as the newstuff comes out!

Andy

Feb-16-2005, 06:27 PM

that 17" is really nice...

funny you should mention, the 17 incher, david...

i went to the apple store wiht my farmer's double backpack... the 17incher does NOT fit inside. so it was a no-go. also, i can't use the 17incher on the train to nyc every day. so, 15in, 1.5gb ram 1.67ghz w/ super drive, that's the end of the line for me...

unlesss......

someone finds me a suitable backpack that holds my camera, lenses, and the 17incher :lol3

patch29

Feb-16-2005, 06:39 PM

someone finds me a suitable backpack that holds my camera, lenses, and the 17incher :lol3

:wave we have a winner! (http://www.tenbagear.com/2000_01_db17c.htm) :clap I put a lot of stuff in mine. It starts to get too heavy to carry, better start :lift

Andy

Feb-16-2005, 06:54 PM

:wave we have a winner! (http://www.tenbagear.com/2000_01_db17c.htm) :clap I put a lot of stuff in mine. It starts to get too heavy to carry, better start :lift

yabbut.... that tenba is nice, but it's too beefy for my tastes... i like the form factor of the crumpler...

thanks for the link though!

fish

Feb-16-2005, 10:48 PM

:wave we have a winner! (http://www.tenbagear.com/2000_01_db17c.htm) :clap I put a lot of stuff in mine. It starts to get too heavy to carry, better start :lift

No, if it starts to get too heavy, have waxy tote it for ya. :D

ian408

Feb-16-2005, 11:08 PM

Hmm...this (http://www.tenbagear.com/large_shots/2000_01_p263w_rbig.htm) might do the job :D

ian

Andy

Aug-28-2005, 06:44 AM

rutt

Aug-28-2005, 07:05 AM

'nother bump is rumored in the pbook line, tba 9/22 at the paris show. anyone heard any rumors? i've heard small speed bump, ~333mhz or thereabouts. wonder if they'll boost the resolution on the screens for the 15 and 17?

intel chips not expected till 2006 sometime, seems to be the prevailing thoughts.....

I don't have any idea. Slashdot (http://www.shashdot.com) is usually a great place for this kind of thing (and all things geek) but it's silent on the subject.

My own take is that I'm not a customer for a new powerbook for photography until the intel introduction. The Petium-M performace vs PPC G4 is just so much better it's embarrassing. Once the new machines are introduced, Adobe will also introduce a new PS version with all optimization focued on intel architecture. That will be the time go spring for a PB.

I did buy my daughter a PB to take to college this spring, but performance doesn't matter at all for that application. She was just in heaven to be able to burn CDs from iTunes, watch dvd movies, all in such a nice little computer. But that's not the same...

DavidTO

Aug-28-2005, 07:25 AM

Reading back on this thread is great entertainment.

You get quotes like these:

Both of the following on 1/24/05
Do not under any circumstances order a g4 pb without clearing it with me. The thing will be a boat anchor within 6 months.

You never know, but the rumor mill has it that the G4 Powerbook is no longer in production--EOL'd (End of Life). That would mean a revision--could be faster G4's, dual core G4's or G5. You'll never know till it happens, but yeah, now is not the best time to buy a Powerbook. If you can wait 6 months, do so.

(Updates came out 1 week later on 1/31/05)

thanks though you can talk till yer blue, but i'm not switchin those machines... not until trev has games he wants to play and they're too slow on the box.. should last another year or two anyhow...

DavidTO

Aug-28-2005, 07:30 AM

rutt

Aug-28-2005, 07:31 AM

Don't know, I think I was right. PB's are pretty much boat anchors now. Well, that's not exactly fair. More loke "HOLD" stocks. Buying a new one for photography now? Only on an expense account.

DavidTO

Aug-28-2005, 07:39 AM

Don't know, I think I was right. PB's are pretty much boat anchors now. Well, that's not exactly fair. More loke "HOLD" stocks. Buying a new one for photography now? Only on an expense account.

I guess that's where I can't see your logic...few people buy a laptop for photography. They buy it for many uses, one of which is photography. They aren't going to get one for photography and one for everything else, that's self defeating. Do the current Powerbooks lag in speed? Sure, that's why Apple finally gave up on PPC and is moving to Intel. If you have a choice should you wait for Intel? Somewhere between maybe and probably. But then you're gonna want to wait for Rev. B, and that puts it even farther off. No, hardly a boat anchor, just an incredibly useful machine with the best OS there is (with all its faults)that we all wish ran quite a bit faster. But don't ignore the usefulness and the OS itself when saying that we wish the PB ran faster.

Andy

Aug-28-2005, 08:15 AM

Reading back on this thread is great entertainment.

You get quotes like these:

Both of the following on 1/24/05

(Updates came out 1 week later on 1/31/05)

don't you have anything better to do? :pissed

Andy

Aug-28-2005, 08:17 AM

I guess that's where I can't see your logic...few people buy a laptop for photography. They buy it for many uses, one of which is photography. They aren't going to get one for photography and one for everything else, that's self defeating. Do the current Powerbooks lag in speed? Sure, that's why Apple finally gave up on PPC and is moving to Intel. If you have a choice should you wait for Intel? Somewhere between maybe and probably. But then you're gonna want to wait for Rev. B, and that puts it even farther off. No, hardly a boat anchor, just an incredibly useful machine with the best OS there is (with all its faults)that we all wish ran quite a bit faster. But don't ignore the usefulness and the OS itself when saying that we wish the PB ran faster.

as one who's using g5 at home, and a wintel laptop currently (a very cool small sony t-series) i agree with david. i miss my powerbook. and i'll be getting one in oct i'm pretty sure - i can certainly wait a month to see if the rumors are true - if not true, i'll still buy one - likely the 15"... then a year later i can hopefully upgrade to something even better with the intel chips.

btw: apple's been hiring sony engineers like ca-razy!

Andy

Aug-28-2005, 08:18 AM

Don't know, I think I was right. PB's are pretty much boat anchors now. Well, that's not exactly fair. More loke "HOLD" stocks. Buying a new one for photography now? Only on an expense account.

that's just silly. there's nothing showing anywhere where intel-based pbooks will be out before spring-summer of 06. if you need one, you need one!

DavidTO

Aug-28-2005, 08:21 AM

if you need one, you need one!

And who doesn't need one????

;)

rutt

Aug-28-2005, 12:18 PM

that's just silly. there's nothing showing anywhere where intel-based pbooks will be out before spring-summer of 06. if you need one, you need one!

Of course, Andy, I didn't mean to include you. You are in the photographic equipment conspicuous consumption hall of fame and as such are exempt from my advice.

Andy

Aug-28-2005, 12:23 PM

Of course, Andy, I didn't mean to include you. You are in the photographic equipment conspicuous consumption hall of fame and as such are exempt from my advice.

:nono rutt, not letting you off that easy. suppose someone *doesn't* own a pbook or pc laptop. would you say they are silly for buying a pbook now? they're a photographer, and they'll use it for field edits, and other general use stuff.

:ear

rutt

Aug-28-2005, 12:35 PM

:nono rutt, not letting you off that easy. suppose someone *doesn't* own a pbook or pc laptop. would you say they are silly for buying a pbook now? they're a photographer, and they'll use it for field edits, and other general use stuff.

:ear

Right, that's a better question. It really depends on the person's situation. As I said, a pro on an expense account, well s/he needs what s/he needs whatever that is. If it were me on that expense account, it'd be a hard choice. I hate using Windows. It isn't religious, I just find that I can't move in and get comfortable no matter how hard I try. On the other hand, those G4s are long in the tooth and if you want to do stuff that takes time, well, it takes a lot longer. So it's a hard compromise.

For someone spending his/her own hard earned and limited cash, I'd have to say, buy a cheap windows notebook unless you are absolutely allergic to windows. $1k will buy you a very workable Dell new. Or buy a used Apple if allergic to windows. Really, my 2 year old 1GHz 17inch PB isn't that much worse than the best brand new thing they have. Put the extra $$ in the bank and wait 9 months.

If you have a notebook that works now, live with it. Unless you are in that hall of fame, that is.

You asked, and I told you.