How many here would like to see...

[MainFragger]

smugmugadult.com? A site where adult content and artistic nudes could be featured away from the prying eyes of minors. It would be a seperate charge, but would work just like smugmug but feature content that can't be on smugmug? I am just curious how many people would support that feature?

MainFragger

[jwear]

a seperate charge does not keep kids out just has them work harder !

[marlinspike]

I dunno. Someone might get confused or something, think smumug is a porno company, and then if i tell them my site is with smumug they'll give me the stink eye.

[gus]

Personally i couldnt be less interested ....hey..you did ask.

[Mongrel]

Disclaimer: I am *not* a prude (read it again...).

[blackwaterstudio]

I do think that we should be able to post these photo's. I don't mean something like you would see on a porno site or something like that, but there is alot of photographers out there that take nude shots of people.

[Dee]

I do think that we should be able to post these photo's. I don't mean something like you would see on a porno site or something like that, but there is alot of photographers out there that take nude shots of people.

You can post tasteful nudes on photo.net -- artistic figure studies...that is, not stuff like photosig.

I think it's refreshing to be able to visit a site at work or at home and not have to worry about nudity popping up on the screen when a child or the boss walks up behind you.

[Aaron Wilson]

That is an idea. I have done a lot of skimpy swim suit adds.. but there to skimpy for on here, but for the agency it's easyer for them to order off a site vs. i going to a local lab to get them made then mailed to them and tryignt to then collect the money.
I would like to have a place like here... but more to have persoanl galleries for them to login and access there own folders vs. any one get access to the photo's.http://www.digitalgrin.com/images/smilies/1drink.gif

[marlinspike]

I do think that we should be able to post these photo's. I don't mean something like you would see on a porno site or something like that, but there is alot of photographers out there that take nude shots of people.
I don't. I get enough flak from people who are offended by some of the harley-davidson pics that come up when they search for davidson instead of going straight to my site. I don't need them accidently finding some artistic nudes too.
Richard

[HELLWRECKIN_JESUSFREAK]

KEEP IT CLEAN, THERE ARE ENOUGH THINGS KIDS HAVE TO SEE THESE DAYS AS WELL AS ADULTS... TV COMMERCIALS HAVE GOTTEN SO SKIMPY, AND THE TELEVISION SHOWS CURSE LIKE CRAZY ,, THEN THE TEACHERS AT SCHOOL WONDER WHY THE KIDS ACT THE WAY THEY DO ..ITS WHAT THEY HEAR AND SEE THAT THEY MOCK... WHY RUIN A GOOD THING HERE?:cry

[HELLWRECKIN_JESUSFREAK]

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Vic

[blackwaterstudio]

I don't get why people have a hard time with people being nude. I can understand seeing some porn, but come on people. If a photographer wants to be able to sell some prints of people's he's shot then he should be able to.

I think that you should label the stuff that way if people don't want to look then they don't have to.

[marlinspike]

But lets say someone does a search, and along with the proper result sees a bunch of nudes since you get gallery previews. I know I would catch flak for that.

[Nikolai]

smugmugadult.com? A site where adult content and artistic nudes could be featured away from the prying eyes of minors. It would be a seperate charge, but would work just like smugmug but feature content that can't be on smugmug? I am just curious how many people would support that feature?

MainFragger
If you have to ask whether it's "riskee" or not - it most likely is.;-)
I'd say - uploaded what you want, but keep it private.
You clients/firends will have full access via password/sharegroups, but I devinitely want my pre-teens accidentally stop on something R-rated..

Just my $.02

Cheers!:1drink

[jwear]

I don't get why people have a hard time with people being nude. I can understand seeing some porn, but come on people. If a photographer wants to be able to sell some prints of people's he's shot then he should be able to.

I think that you should label the stuff that way if people don't want to look then they don't have to.I do not think anyone here has the trouble you say [people and nude ]they just do not want to have it posted here and thank god this is not run like the gov. is where the one get to rule the majority .So it may be better to give them another site to see your shots .That is as simple as your answere . Jeff :dunno

[yvonne]

I have no problem with artistic nudity. But I think it is very difficult to define and that is where your problems start. One person's art is another's soft porn.

I do think you should be able to upload them, but then you must keep them password protected and name the galleries in such a way that it doesn't inspire kids to set out to break the passwork (which, with a bit of html knowledge, I suspect is not that hard to do).

That's what I reckon.

[wxwax]

Not everyone's a gifted photographer. Bad nudes can look really bad, and because we're usually not our own best critics, we might feel proud of, and want to display, nudes that others might find highly distasteful.

Let's face it, Americans are still very puritan in their attitudes towards nudity. I reckon we just need to recognize that and accept it, and learn to live with it. If we were in the Netherlands, I suspect things would be different. But we're not. :dunno

[Brett]

If there was one thing that I wish could change in this world, it would be how sensitive and how people act. People are too uptight these days. People see a women's breast and freak out. Why? Society has made any "sexual part" a big deal. I remember reading an article and a man out in the Middle East said ankles were sexy because he barely had a chance to see them. If people weren't near as paranoid, uptight, and anal about everything, simple things such as artistic nude photography wouldn't be a big deal at all. If society keeps going this way, we might as well just wear full body suits like blankets so nobody gets offended. I remember people making a big deal because manikins had nipples. Wow, shoot the designed who wanted to make something look realistic! But seriously, beign 16 almost 17 and mature enough not to just say "I WANT FREE PORN" should mean something. People, no matter the age, can be mature, or immature enough. It should be under the persons discretion to view "suggestive" material, not blocked from public viewing which would make artistic nudes seem like pornography even more then people might think they already are. Anyways, that's my rant.:wxwax

[marlinspike]

The problem, Brett, is many (parents for one) want to prevent those who not mature enough (their children for one) from accidently stumbling along some nudes.
Richard

[wxwax]

Hmmm, that's a new thread: "If there's one thing I could change in the world."

I think I'd shoot a little higher, Brett: maybe world peace, or end hunger. :evil

[Roger]

Not everyone's a gifted photographer. Bad nudes can look really bad, and because we're usually not our own best critics, we might feel proud of, and want to display, nudes that others might find highly distasteful.

Let's face it, Americans are still very puritan in their attitudes towards nudity. I reckon we just need to recognize that and accept it, and learn to live with it. If we were in the Netherlands, I suspect things would be different. But we're not. :dunno Hey, being a wide-opened website it is not really American (although based in the USA), rather a global one??:scratch

So, why restrain it to the American tastes??:D

Just my small contribute to the global vision :super

Roger

[Andy]

Hey, being a wide-opened website it is not really American (although based in the USA), rather a global one??:scratch

So, why restrain it to the American tastes??:D

Just my small contribute to the global vision :super

Roger

obrigado, roger :D

it's fairly simple. smugmug's terms of service explicitly state the policy regarding nudity. there are loads of places where folks can go and put nudes, artistic or otherwise ... photosig comes to mind...

[fish]

If there was one thing that I wish could change in this world, it would be how sensitive and how people act. People are too uptight these days. People see a women's breast and freak out. Why? Society has made any "sexual part" a big deal. I remember reading an article and a man out in the Middle East said ankles were sexy because he barely had a chance to see them. If people weren't near as paranoid, uptight, and anal about everything, simple things such as artistic nude photography wouldn't be a big deal at all. If society keeps going this way, we might as well just wear full body suits like blankets so nobody gets offended. I remember people making a big deal because manikins had nipples. Wow, shoot the designed who wanted to make something look realistic! But seriously, beign 16 almost 17 and mature enough not to just say "I WANT FREE PORN" should mean something. People, no matter the age, can be mature, or immature enough. It should be under the persons discretion to view "suggestive" material, not blocked from public viewing which would make artistic nudes seem like pornography even more then people might think they already are. Anyways, that's my rant.:wxwax

Do you have any kids, Brett?

[Andy]

Do you have any kids, Brett?

i remember as a kid, finding my oldest brother's playboy magazine. i was maybe 13 or 14. in 1975, looking at maybe a 1968 copy of the magazine. now that was an experience :D the difference between then and today, is that back then, i had to stumble across the magazine somehow, and then find a "secure location" where it could be read without parents finding out.

today, there's more porn on the internet than there is anything else. it's everywhere, heck, it comes by spam even.

anything that can be done to minimize the amount of porn that my kids get bombarded with is a good thing. so, i applaud smugmug's t.o.s., and the company attitude of g-rated! if you read the t.o.s., it actually says, "if it can be found in a public art museum, then it's ok." (i paraphrased...) the problem is, is that many folks quickly go further than that, and as seen in this thread, what's porn to one person is "artistic nude" to another. imo, it's best to just leave it off the site, and if this sort of thing is important to your photography, then have an alternate site for it.

[GREAPER]

Do you have any kids, Brett?

I do, and they are all big now, teenage boys, and I suspect the know enough now to find nudity if they want to and there is not much I can do about it, nor do I worry. I either brought them up right, or I didn't. I think I did.

When they were small, I did worry. I concerned myself with the stimuli that they absorbed every day. I will admitt that nudity bothered me less than violence and foul language, but still it was an issue.

I do not shoot nudes and can barely imagine the situation where that would change. I have no need for a service to host these non-existant nudes.

I have spent time on a lot of other photography related sites that allow nudes. I have seen some that I found tasteful, attractive, erotic, sensual, abstract, beautiful and many other things.

I have also seen tastless trashy sophmoric soft core porn trying to pass itself off as art (IMHO).

There are lots of places out there where these images can be seen shared hosted and critiqued (photonet, photosig photographycorner, etc).

I see no reason to change smugmugs policy. I agreed to it when I signed up and I dont see any reason for it to change. Obviously it reflects the idea and purpose behind the creation of the service. I like the idea that when my customers visit my site, they can explore smugmug without the risk of them comming across something that offends in the area of nudity.

[Andy]

I do, and they are all big now, teenage boys, and I suspect the know enough now to find nudity if they want to and there is not much I can do about it, nor do I worry. I either brought them up right, or I didn't. I think I did.

When they were small, I did worry. I concerned myself with the stimuli that they absorbed every day. I will admitt that nudity bothered me less than violence and foul language, but still it was an issue.

I do not shoot nudes and can barely imagine the situation where that would change. I have no need for a service to host these non-existant nudes.

I have spent time on a lot of other photography related sites that allow nudes. I have seen some that I found tasteful, attractive, erotic, sensual, abstract, beautiful and many other things.

I have also seen tastless trashy sophmoric soft core porn trying to pass itself off as art (IMHO).

There are lots of places out there where these images can be seen shared hosted and critiqued (photonet, photosig photographycorner, etc).

I see no reason to change smugmugs policy. I agreed to it when I signed up and I dont see any reason for it to change. Obviously it reflects the idea and purpose behind the creation of the service. I like the idea that when my customers visit my site, they can explore smugmug without the risk of them comming across something that offends in the area of nudity.

well said, greaps.

was just discussing this with mrs. w - we're not prudes by any means... and i'd rather see bare breasts than so much violence on network tv... from a kid standpoint... but you are right about the "volume" of nude sites out there.....

[fish]

I either brought them up right, or I didn't. I think I did.
Exactly, Greaper. (or is that "GREAPER"? :rofl)


MainFragger, if you want to go out there and create an adult-oriented photo sharing site, by all means, please do so. My 11yo son has a gallery on my smugmug account and if the chances of him coming across pron is increased on smugmug, then I'd probably switch to a different sharing site.

As far as art goes, I won't argue that Robert Mapplethorpe's work is art, but it's certainly not the kind of art that I will expose my children to. When they are old enough to make their own decisions and find their own transportation, then of course there's nothing I can/will do to stop them from checking it out.

I can't speak for the Baldy's, but since I've known them for about five years now, I'm pretty sure their policies are not going to change anytime soon.

Clearly, this thread has reached the end of its useful life, so I think it's time to close it and move on. Thanks to everyone for weighing in on this controversial topic.

fish

[wxwax]

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There are lots of places out there where these images can be seen shared hosted and critiqued (photonet, photosig photographycorner, etc).



Slow down, slow down, I can't write that fast! :lol3