Key Words

[Andy]

awesome, onethumb, ben, jt and baldy! thank you :D this is huuuuuuuge

i see that smugmug has added keyword tags (http://www.smugmug.com/help/keywords-tags) and also support of iptc data :clap :clap :clap

wtg, guys, thanks this is big.

[Nikolai]

awesome, onethumb, ben, jt and baldy! thank you :D this is huuuuuuuge

i see that smugmug has added keyword tags (http://www.smugmug.com/help/keywords-tags) and also support of iptc data :clap :clap :clap

wtg, guys, thanks this is big.
SmuGUYS! THANK YOU!!!!:clap I:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

[Baldy]

Yeah, onethumb's been working on some very cool, very important stuff that we've had a lot of requests for. He's doing a soft launch with the keyword tags because the database is busy scrounging up keywords from the filenames of our 13,500,000 images. It's going to take some time.

But you can see how to tag your photos with keywords using the bulk caption tool.

He went live with 3 other features too. One's in soft launch mode like keywords. Can you find them? :wink

[Erik Olsen]

How do i get to this screen?
http://www.dgrin.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3389&stc=1

[Baldy]

How do i get to this screen?

http://www.smugmug.com/img/help/timeline.gif (http://www.smugmug.com/img/help/timeline.gif)
Like keywords, it will appear on your home page and you can hide/show it and also move it higher or lower on your home page.

We're soft launching it like keywords, and that's why it hasn't shown up on your home page yet. The database has to scour EXIF for 13,500,000 images... Ouch that could take a long time.

Keywords on the other hand, don't come from EXIF and perhaps they'll be done by tomorrow.

Nikolai, I had missed in your post that you had noticed the timeline. Sorry about that.

If it looks like the timeline could take a long time before we can place it on your home page, I'll make a note of that in the help section.

[Baldy]

Hey Nikolai,

Take a look at the news page (link (http://www.smugmug.com/aboutus/news.mg) on the footer).

[Nikolai]

Hey Nikolai,

Take a look at the news page (link (http://www.smugmug.com/aboutus/news.mg) on the footer).Appreciate it!

I have only one favor to ask: can you guys let me (and your other 3dparty vendors, e.g. rutt) know about those new kewl features sometime in advance?
I can do an NDA if you need it and promise to keep my big mouth shut (about new stuff, naturally:-) until you roll it out. That will actually kill at least several ducks in one shot:

all your customers would get all the tools ready and consistent at the same time
your R&D team will get (confidential) QA confirmation/bug reports from us
we would not be in (such) a rush to become compliant - hence less bugs on our side
Other than that - once again, great features, and thank you very much for the promotion (and the other things:-)

Cheers!:1drink

[Nikolai]

I noticed some API changed witht he new info.
However I tried to use "Keywords" field in Upload Via Post method and it didn't pick it up.
I can't believe it: all my RAD coding and ignoring screaming children and wheeping wife for the last two hours - all in vain???

Here is the field order I tried:

KEY_ALBUMID
KEY_SESSIONID
KEY_CAPTION
KEY_KEYWORDS (= "Keywords", same as in createAlbum)
KEY_BYTECOUNT
KEY_MD5SUM
KEY_VERSION
It uploaded the images OK but put the filenames into keywords fields

OneThumb? Baldy?

[sit]

If it looks like the timeline could take a long time before we can place it on your home page, I'll make a note of that in the help section.

Could you also add some information about how keywords and timeline browsing interact with categories, password-protected/private galleries and sharegroups?

For example,
* if a photo in a password protected gallery has tag 'foo', would it show up if someone is browsing the keyword, but lacks the cookie for the gallery?
* if you select a category (e.g. 'weddings') will the list of keywords be limited to those that are attached to photos in a gallery in the weddings category? (similarly for sub-categories).
* if you're browsing a sharegroup, will keywords be limited to those in the sharegroup?

Thanks!

[DavidTO]

Hey Nikolai,

Take a look at the news page (link (http://www.smugmug.com/aboutus/news.mg) on the footer).

By soft launch, I take it that it's not fully implemented? In other words, the fact that I can't find the pictures by the keyword I entered for them is expected at this point?

Also, on the news page, no mention of Picturesync for us Mac folks? It's a nice alternative to the smugmug uploader.

Oh, and THANK YOU for keywords and timeline. I was drooling over that over at Flickr, and am MIGHTY pleased that you're making changes in that direction. You guys have built such a great place here, and the dgrinners and smugmuggers are damn lucky to have found you. Thanks.

(working on 320 referrals and that 20D!)

[onethumb]

...and also support of iptc data

I should note, we've had IPTC support for years. Almost since our inception. We've been populating keywords the entire time, and feeding our search. Browsing them, and editing them, though, is new.

'Caption' and 'Keywords' are IPTC fields we check on every upload.

Don

[onethumb]

Could you also add some information about how keywords and timeline browsing interact with categories, password-protected/private galleries and sharegroups?

For example,
* if a photo in a password protected gallery has tag 'foo', would it show up if someone is browsing the keyword, but lacks the cookie for the gallery?


Keywords and dates browsing for private and/or passworded galleries doesn't work. Only publicly viewable galleries.


* if you select a category (e.g. 'weddings') will the list of keywords be limited to those that are attached to photos in a gallery in the weddings category? (similarly for sub-categories).

* if you're browsing a sharegroup, will keywords be limited to those in the sharegroup?


Nope, keywords can be browsed by overall user, or by all smugmug tags, but not categories, galleries, or subcategories.

Don

[onethumb]

By soft launch, I take it that it's not fully implemented? In other words, the fact that I can't find the pictures by the keyword I entered for them is expected at this point?

Also, on the news page, no mention of Picturesync for us Mac folks? It's a nice alternative to the smugmug uploader.

Oh, and THANK YOU for keywords and timeline. I was drooling over that over at Flickr, and am MIGHTY pleased that you're making changes in that direction. You guys have built such a great place here, and the dgrinners and smugmuggers are damn lucky to have found you. Thanks.

(working on 320 referrals and that 20D!)

It's a "softlaunch" in that it's not exposed publicly. But you can see it for yourself if you know what the super-secret URLs are. :)

A few words of caution first: we're still populating all "old" keywords. This will probably take at least a day. We're still populating all "old" upload times for images uploaded prior to today. That'll probably take a few days. Finally, we're still extracting old EXIF data for images uploaded more than a few months ago. That will probably take a month or more.

Now, those secret URLs:

http://www.smugmug.com/keyword/

http://yoursmugmugname.smugmug.com/keyword/

http://yoursmugmugname.smugmug.com/date/

http://yoursmugmugname.smugmug.com/?showGoodies=1

Enjoy!

Don

[onethumb]

Appreciate it!

I have only one favor to ask: can you guys let me (and your other 3dparty vendors, e.g. rutt) know about those new kewl features sometime in advance?
I can do an NDA if you need it and promise to keep my big mouth shut (about new stuff, naturally:-) until you roll it out. That will actually kill at least several ducks in one shot:

all your customers would get all the tools ready and consistent at the same time
your R&D team will get (confidential) QA confirmation/bug reports from us
we would not be in (such) a rush to become compliant - hence less bugs on our side
Other than that - once again, great features, and thank you very much for the promotion (and the other things:-)

Cheers!:1drink

Sorry, Nikolai, but smugmug's feature -> QA -> release cycle is so short, this wouldn't make a lot of sense. We only really started testing these features last night, and they're already released.

Plus, there's no API support for them at all yet. :)

If we ever have anything major, I'm sure we'll try to keep people in the loop.

Don

[onethumb]

I noticed some API changed witht he new info.
However I tried to use "Keywords" field in Upload Via Post method and it didn't pick it up.
I can't believe it: all my RAD coding and ignoring screaming children and wheeping wife for the last two hours - all in vain???

Here is the field order I tried:

KEY_ALBUMID
KEY_SESSIONID
KEY_CAPTION
KEY_KEYWORDS (= "Keywords", same as in createAlbum)
KEY_BYTECOUNT
KEY_MD5SUM
KEY_VERSION
It uploaded the images OK but put the filenames into keywords fields

OneThumb? Baldy?

You'll note it's not documented in the API docs. That's because it's not exposed. :)

If the images have IPTC Keywords or intelligent words within the filename, they'll get populated, otherwise you're outta luck. I'm sure we'll expose it at some point, but there's a long list of things that need to happen first. :)

Don

[fish]

You're too busy with this stuff to go have a burger* with me? :scratch



:rofl





*or small fruit salad, in your case.

[onethumb]

It's a "softlaunch" in that it's not exposed publicly. But you can see it for yourself if you know what the super-secret URLs are. :)

A few words of caution first: we're still populating all "old" keywords. This will probably take at least a day. We're still populating all "old" upload times for images uploaded prior to today. That'll probably take a few days. Finally, we're still extracting old EXIF data for images uploaded more than a few months ago. That will probably take a month or more.

Now, those secret URLs:

http://www.smugmug.com/keyword/

http://yoursmugmugname.smugmug.com/keyword/

http://yoursmugmugname.smugmug.com/date/

http://yoursmugmugname.smugmug.com/?showGoodies=1

Enjoy!

Don

Oh, one other thing: we're busy cleaning up all the bogus words and expanding our stopwords list as the keywords filter in. So you guys are getting a sneak preview of an unfinished thing, take it with big grains of salt. :)

Don

[Baldy]

Also, on the news page, no mention of Picturesync for us Mac folks? It's a nice alternative to the smugmug uploader.

Oh, and THANK YOU for keywords and timeline. I was drooling over that over at Flickr, and am MIGHTY pleased that you're making changes in that direction. You guys have built such a great place here, and the dgrinners and smugmuggers are damn lucky to have found you. Thanks.

(working on 320 referrals and that 20D!)Are you liking Picturesync? I hadn't heard from enough users nor tried it myself to be confident yet in it. Someone said they were disappointed to learn that it resized their photos.

Flickr's done a couple of good things and those tags are one of them. Our implementation is somewhat different. We liked to see the number of results in ( ), plus we saw a lot of added noise by using gallery titles in the tags, so we left them out. It will be interesting to see if you think we made the right decisions as we build experience with it.

Thanks,
Baldy

[dkapp]

Are you liking Picturesync? I hadn't heard from enough users nor tried it myself to be confident yet in it. Someone said they were disappointed to learn that it resized their photos.

Thanks,
Baldy

I just took a look at Picturesync. This thread is the first I've ever heard of it. Right off the start I had a few problems with the app, so I deleted it.

1.) to upload more than 8mb at a time you have to pay $8. Not a big deal if it was a useful app.

2.) Crashed a few times on me, and kept getting weird errors when I tried selecting iView Media Pro as my photo management app.

3.) I don't have iPhoto installed on my PB. When the app would error out trying to use iView, it would default to iPhoto. It wanted me to try & locate iPhoto, I'd hit cancel, it would come up again.

I'll stick with the smugmug uploader for now. So far it's been rock solid for me since day 1.

Dave

[Andy]

I should note, we've had IPTC support for years. Almost since our inception. We've been populating keywords the entire time, and feeding our search. Browsing them, and editing them, though, is new.

'Caption' and 'Keywords' are IPTC fields we check on every upload.

Don

in my excitement i muffed up :D

thanks don!

[Aaron Wilson]

when doing key words under the new system.. what is the best way to seperate the words. is it better to do like sf, bridge? or no comma and have sf bridge?

[Nikolai]

Sorry, Nikolai, but smugmug's feature -> QA -> release cycle is so short, this wouldn't make a lot of sense. We only really started testing these features last night, and they're already released.

Plus, there's no API support for them at all yet. :)

If we ever have anything major, I'm sure we'll try to keep people in the loop.

DonThat's understandable. I simply was under impression that major changes like these usually go through more rigorous testing phase (you mentioned that about other features some time ago, e.g. shopping cart). Anyway, I think with the "soft launch" approach and having our users generally satisfied with what they have now, I think we can afford to have a few - temporary - discrepancies:-). So I much rather prefer to have the new features like keywords and being late on them myself as opposed to "being in the loop" and not having them at all or having them much later:-)

Thanks!:thumb

[Nikolai]

You'll note it's not documented in the API docs. That's because it's not exposed. :)

If the images have IPTC Keywords or intelligent words within the filename, they'll get populated, otherwise you're outta luck. I'm sure we'll expose it at some point, but there's a long list of things that need to happen first. :)

DonThat does mean I'm out of luck.. And I already added that image keywords support - from UI to options to engine...Foolish me..:cry That what I get for "running in front of the steam engine" (that's Russian saying for this kind of things:-)

May I at least ask to consider adding them in this exact manner - just as another field in Upload Via Post, named "Keywords"? This would probably be THE most natural and easy way for you at any rate, but at least it would also mean that I don't have to recode things from scratch..

The REALLY sad:cry news (for me and for all twenty or so SE users, still have no idea about the size of my audience:-) is that since I already made the said change, I will not be able to deploy the new version until the API change. So if somebody was planning on having auto album creation, pre-downlowad EXIF/IPTC support and other - already added and tested - goodies - sorry, no can do..:dunno Which is probably good: gives me more time to test and polish things, so I should be grateful instead of bitching:-):clap

[Baldy]

when doing key words under the new system.. what is the best way to seperate the words. is it better to do like sf, bridge? or no comma and have sf bridge?Hi Aaron,

Here's a reference that should help: http://www.smugmug.com/help/keywords-tags

You can just separate them by spaces, but if you want sf bridge to be one tag instead of two, it needs to be entered as "sf bridge".

(Actually, sf is too short to be a keyword tag unless it's entered as "sf.)

I hope this helps.

Thanks,
Chris

[lynnma]

Hi Aaron,

Here's a reference that should help: http://www.smugmug.com/help/keywords-tags

You can just separate them by spaces, but if you want sf bridge to be one tag instead of two, it needs to be entered as "sf bridge".

(Actually, sf is too short to be a keyword tag unless it's entered as "sf.)

I hope this helps.

Thanks,
ChrisI'm happily going through all my shots adding key words.. it won't affect it that I'm seperating words by commas will it???:dunno

[DavidTO]

Are you liking Picturesync? I hadn't heard from enough users nor tried it myself to be confident yet in it. Someone said they were disappointed to learn that it resized their photos.

Flickr's done a couple of good things and those tags are one of them. Our implementation is somewhat different. We liked to see the number of results in ( ), plus we saw a lot of added noise by using gallery titles in the tags, so we left them out. It will be interesting to see if you think we made the right decisions as we build experience with it.

Thanks,
Baldy

I haven't used it enough yet to have a real answer for you. Resizing is an option you can disable. When it was set to resize, as it is by default, it hung in the process. When I disabled the resizing, it works fine. I tested it one day after they began supporting smugmug, so I'm sure there could be some bugs to work out yet.

[DavidTO]

Will my family be able to search by keyword for private galleries, too?

If not, what's the best way to keep galleries private and still allow my family to search across multiple galleries to find the shot they want?

[Allen]

Keywords and dates browsing for private and/or passworded galleries doesn't work. Only publicly viewable galleries.
Don (from another thread)

Rats!:cry

I finally changed all my family galleries to private and added them
to a share group. I sure would like to be able to search for "grandpa" etc.
under the ShareGroup. Please, please, please. :D
Al

Will my family be able to search by keyword for private galleries, too?

If not, what's the best way to keep galleries private and still allow my family to search across multiple galleries to find the shot they want?

[onethumb]

I'm happily going through all my shots adding key words.. it won't affect it that I'm seperating words by commas will it???:dunno

Spaces are the only seperator we officially recognize.

However, I think if you enter: london,paris,rome

we'll probably turn it into: london paris rome

for you.. But no promises. :)

If you want: New York

to be one word, though, it must be "New York". This won't cut it: New York,London, Paris.

That'll make: new york london paris

(New York becomes two keywords, new and york.)

Clear as mud?

Don

[Aaron Wilson]

thank you every one.. and yes it's clear as mud can be.. lol:rofl

[Baldy]

Will my family be able to search by keyword for private galleries, too?

If not, what's the best way to keep galleries private and still allow my family to search across multiple galleries to find the shot they want?Errr... Ummm... I'm afraid you're ahead of at least me. We're still working on getting the kinks out of doing the keywords for public galleries...

Onethumb my have some thoughts but I know he's working pretty hard on issues that are coming up wrt stopwords, mapping relationships between words, user interface, etc.

[onethumb]

Will my family be able to search by keyword for private galleries, too?

If not, what's the best way to keep galleries private and still allow my family to search across multiple galleries to find the shot they want?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, and we really do like to please our customers, but I'm afraid this just isn't going to happen.

I never say never, but this raises just too many privacy and security issues, not to mention engineering problems, that I really doubt it'll ever happen.

Just as browsing through your galleries when they're private doesn't work for non-logged in people, keywords won't either.

I'm sorry. :(

Don

[onethumb]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, and we really do like to please our customers, but I'm afraid this just isn't going to happen.

I never say never, but this raises just too many privacy and security issues, not to mention engineering problems, that I really doubt it'll ever happen.

Just as browsing through your galleries when they're private doesn't work for non-logged in people, keywords won't either.

I'm sorry. :(

Don

I should follow this up by saying that we're continually working on search, and in fact I have a fairly big change planned (which is a big change for me, but customers probably won't notice the difference).

It's remotely possible that I could make *searching* work for private galleries somehow, but not keyword browsing.

If I were to do so, how would you suggest that I "discover" who to let see your private searches and who not to? That's probably the biggest issue right off the bat.

Obviously, you don't want Joe Schmoe finding your private galleries, or you wouldn't have marked them private. But also obviously, you don't want everyone to have to buy a smugmug login to search through your private galleries. (That wouldn't be tough, if they had logins). But how do I identify your "allowed" people without allowing the whole world in?

Don

[Nikolai]

But how do I identify your "allowed" people without allowing the whole world in?
Don.. but didn't you already introduce "family & friends" concept? In C++ "friends" are privy to the most private parts:-). So when it comes to identification, I think you can rely on proximity settings the user set himself..

Although, I must say, IRL private should be private. If I want to share something I'll let the person know. Private should mean for "my eyes only"..
Or, should I say: introduce "protected" - and then let "family and firends" get ahold of it:-)
Just my $.02, nothing else:-)

PS
With all that new stuff, is there any chance the apostophe issue (createAlbum, Description, ', screate error) can get addressed any time soon?

Thanks!

PPS
"24" rulez!
4th season started - and it's GOOOOOOOOOD!:thumb

[onethumb]

.. but didn't you already introduce "family & friends" concept? In C++ "friends" are privy to the most private parts:-). So when it comes to identification, I think you can rely on proximity settings the user set himself..


But "friends & family" is other smugmug users. I think it's pretty rare for someone's entire scope of family and friends to be using smugmug. I assume that's not what's being asked for here, that there's a need for people to search within private galleries without having a smugmug login.

Or am I wrong?

Don

[lynnma]

Just as a matter of interest.. I've been paying more attention to key words in my photographs on Smugmug and also in the body of the text in my cobranding (I put some words in "comments" which don't show but search engines may pick up) ... just for laughs I typed in "photographs of forest and ponds" in google and I came up number one.. also with my name also came up with different searched in MSN.. I was impressed... (not that it makes a difference, my son's the only one who is forced to buy anything):rofl

[Nikolai]

But "friends & family" is other smugmug users. I think it's pretty rare for someone's entire scope of family and friends to be using smugmug. I assume that's not what's being asked for here, that there's a need for people to search within private galleries without having a smugmug login.

Or am I wrong?

DonI personally can't imagine the situation when an owner made something private and at the same time would like to make it searchable for the entire internet.
Yet again, I don't have a burning need for this type of changes, current situation suits me well enough, and I'd rather see all the other features completed first - including API updates and fixes:D

Cheers!:1drink

[Nikolai]

What is the relation between gallery keywords, image keywords and search engines?
Do gallery keywords work in a manner as if they were typed in for each image?
Are gallery and image keywords only searchable by SM itself, or do they make sense for the external crawlers, too?

Thank you!

[DavidTO]

But "friends & family" is other smugmug users. I think it's pretty rare for someone's entire scope of family and friends to be using smugmug. I assume that's not what's being asked for here, that there's a need for people to search within private galleries without having a smugmug login.

Or am I wrong?

Don

Not sure the best way to solve it, but maybe you could make a free registration available for this purpose?

I make the passwords on the galleries that I've bothered to make private all the same, as well. Maybe a search private galleries feature, where they have to enter the password that I've given them.

I really just want to be able to share my photos with my family and not the world. That's what it comes down to.

[Nikolai]

I really just want to be able to share my photos with my family and not the world. That's what it comes down to.
Isn't it what "sharegroups" were designed for? I never used them myself, but it looks like they were designed for this purpose.. Did you try them?

Cheers!:1drink

[lynnma]

thank you every one.. and yes it's clear as mud can be.. lol:roflI somehow merged these threads incorrectly.. pardonay moi... I"ll leave it now.. it'll only get worse if I mess more :rofl Sid?

[ehughes]

Awesome stuff guys, THANKS :thumb

[DavidTO]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, and we really do like to please our customers, but I'm afraid this just isn't going to happen.

I never say never, but this raises just too many privacy and security issues, not to mention engineering problems, that I really doubt it'll ever happen.

Just as browsing through your galleries when they're private doesn't work for non-logged in people, keywords won't either.

I'm sorry. :(

Don

So I decided to try sharegroups, but that doesn't protect my photos from prying eyes, I did a search on my daughter's name and her picture, which is only in sharegroups, came up. I thought that sharegroups only allowed "cookied" computers to access the contents of the gallery.

Private galleries don't work, because there's no way for my family to search across galleries.

But there must be someway to get this to work so that I can share my photos openly and easily with family, but not with the greater world.

Help!


EDIT: Must be that I don't understand sharegroups, because I've checked on several computers to make sure that cookies weren't an issue, and all of my sharegrouped galleries show up on my homepage. Huh?

EDIT again: Boy, I'm a pain in the butt, huh? I got password protected and private confuse. I think I'm gonna figure this out yet!

[DavidTO]

OK, so I'm getting there. Got some keywords in some private galleries, a sharegroup setup, it's working fine, except for one thing:

When my family goes to my sharegroup, and then searches for my daughter's name, the search goes out to all of smugmug. Wouldn't it make sense to limit the search to whithin the sharegroup when they're in that sharegroup? Why would they be in the sharegroup in the first place if they wanted to search the entire site? If this can get fixed, or if there is a setting that can fix it, then I'll be all set.

[onethumb]

OK, so I'm getting there. Got some keywords in some private galleries, a sharegroup setup, it's working fine, except for one thing:

When my family goes to my sharegroup, and then searches for my daughter's name, the search goes out to all of smugmug. Wouldn't it make sense to limit the search to whithin the sharegroup when they're in that sharegroup? Why would they be in the sharegroup in the first place if they wanted to search the entire site? If this can get fixed, or if there is a setting that can fix it, then I'll be all set.

Sorry, David, but I'm afraid if a gallery is marked 'Private' or has a password assigned, searching just won't work.

I'm glad sharegroups is working for you, and I'll give some thought to if there's a possibility to allow searching within a sharegroup (it sounds possible, but no promises). But today, you cannot do it.

Wish I had better news, but we're pretty paranoid about privacy and security around here, and anything like searching within secure or private galleries is not something we take lightly.

Don

[DavidTO]

I should note, we've had IPTC support for years. Almost since our inception. We've been populating keywords the entire time, and feeding our search. Browsing them, and editing them, though, is new.

'Caption' and 'Keywords' are IPTC fields we check on every upload.

Don

Are those the only IPTC fields you check? I use iView Media Pro, and the fields I use are non-standard, iView specific. I could easily change this, but never really had reason to before. I'd just like to know the full extent of your IPTC support.

Also, on the topic of searching private galleries from within a sharegroup, couldnt' this be handled in part by adding a search field to the sharegroup view that is separate from the main search field? One that is limited to the sharegroup? Probably, huh? You're gonna tell me manhours/priority again, I bet. Ah, well. I understand.

[Allen]

I'll second that! Exactly what I'm looking for.:bow At least I can dream can't I?
AL


Also, on the topic of searching private galleries from within a sharegroup, couldnt' this be handled in part by adding a search field to the sharegroup view that is separate from the main search field? One that is limited to the sharegroup? Probably, huh? You're gonna tell me manhours/priority again, I bet. Ah, well. I understand.

[Monk]

Wish I had better news, but we're pretty paranoid about privacy and security around here, and anything like searching within secure or private galleries is not something we take lightly.

DonDon -
It looks for me that you are trying "to invent a bike" (Nikolai, is it correct?) :) - but bike is already invented. It is a role management.
I would like to create roles like "owner", "family", "friend", "coworker" and so on, assign a pasword for each role and then set which role can see which galery.
So, when a person enter "coworker" password he can see only galeries which is visiblw for coworkers, search and keywords works only for that galeries and so on...

[onethumb]

Don -
It looks for me that you are trying "to invent a bike" (Nikolai, is it correct?) :) - but bike is already invented. It is a role management.
I would like to create roles like "owner", "family", "friend", "coworker" and so on, assign a pasword for each role and then set which role can see which galery.
So, when a person enter "coworker" password he can see only galeries which is visiblw for coworkers, search and keywords works only for that galeries and so on...

Hi Monk,

Thanks for the feedback, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm afraid this just won't work. It violates our Prime Directive which is to be Easy.

Adding role-level complexity will just confuse most of our customers and doesn't buy us enough good stuff to override our constant struggle to keep the site easy to use.

Don

[Nikolai]

..."to invent a bike" (Nikolai, is it correct?) :)...Hi Monk,
If you're looking for word-by-word translation from Russian, then you're 100% correct:-).
However, it is a Russian idiom and as such it's gotta be translated as a proper English idiom, which happens to be "to reinvent the wheel":-)

Cheers!:1drink