Ok need help on pricing odd request

[Lord Vetinari]

I've been asked by a U.S. childrens tv production company to supply some photographs of a particular insect for them to use to build a model (presumably computer generated model) to use in a Kids Tv series they are planning. They want non- exclusive rights to do whatever they want with the photos in connection with the series in perpertuity.
I'd guess we are talking 10 to 20 pics. I did ask them to suggest a price (at least they seem willing to pay something) but they have asked me to suggest a price. I'm thinking of asking for something like £1000 ($1900 US) for whatever shots they want.
Does this seem a reasonable negotiation opening amount?
Brian V.

[Awais Yaqub]

dont know
"Slap according to face" thats what we say here :huh

Congratssss :ivar

[sirsloop]

If they are getting non-exclusive rights then I think that is a fair offer. If you look at stock photography prices, I've seen exclusive-no royalties get into the tens of thousands of dollars! The kind of work you do is a specialty... not just anybody with a SLR, macro lens, and a twin flash setup could accomplish this task.

[Dee]

is such a problem.

It all depends.....

Is the company well known and do they have funds...

Can they get these shots from anyone else?

Depending on what metropolitan area they are located in impacts the price.

The non-exclusive part is just a "royalty free" license, you are still free to sell the photos to someone else.

If it's not an easy thing to do -- get the insect and take photos I'd charge more.

I'd suggest double the price and work down... I think you are starting too low.

[Lord Vetinari]

Thanks for the replies- I already have the photos so no extra work for me. Sounds like the price is not too outrageous (just be nice to fund my next camera body :).
Assuming we reach agreement would you send the pics before payment has been received ?
Brian V.

[Cason]

Assuming we reach agreement would you send the pics before payment has been received ?
Brian V.
That's like going to the car dealership and asking to drive the car off the lot and saying to the salesman..."the check is in the mail". I know that is an exagerated analogy.

I would love to think we can trust everybody. What if they don't pay you?

[Lord Vetinari]

That's like going to the car dealership and asking to drive the car off the lot and saying to the salesman..."the check is in the mail". I know that is an exagerated analogy.

I would love to think we can trust everybody. What if they don't pay you?

I was actually assuming I would not do this- ie would say only send the pics once payment has been recieved. However I have twice sent pictures to business concerns before payment was received and havegot the money with no problems.
Brian V.

[Cason]

Maybe have them pay you half up front. Then the other half after they have been given the photos...

[mr peas]

I say, dont ever sell yourself short...but some people/companies just dont have the captial.

I mean, if you think about, if you get the $1900 dollars that its worth, then great.

BUT if you get $500-$1000, its still money you never had before. Thats a new lens!

But yeah, try not to sell yourself short. Its easy to do that. I'm always partial to charging low fees to friends and acquaintances, but if they're not somebody who are close to you, then I say charge the most you can. Its your work, you can price it the way you want to. If they're not willing to pay, then oh well, they should look elsewhere.

For the payment thing, I say they send payment first. They either trust you or they dont, lol. But..hey if they use your photos without your consent and publish it without paying, then hey theres another way to make money, sue for copyrights! $30k a photo! Beats $1900 anyday! haha

[ballentphoto]

I've been asked by a U.S. childrens tv production company to supply some photographs of a particular insect for them to use to build a model (presumably computer generated model) to use in a Kids Tv series they are planning. They want non- exclusive rights to do whatever they want with the photos in connection with the series in perpertuity.
I'd guess we are talking 10 to 20 pics. I did ask them to suggest a price (at least they seem willing to pay something) but they have asked me to suggest a price. I'm thinking of asking for something like £1000 ($1900 US) for whatever shots they want.
Does this seem a reasonable negotiation opening amount?
Brian V.

Is that price per picture or for 10-20 pictures? This would mean that they you would not get any royalties for the images even if they decide to make t-shirts. The chance that you are taking is that they are asking you for a price and you will most likely ask for too little and they come out well ahead. Seems like a lot of people are interested your work... I think that you should get a photography agent to handle these things, your work is of very high quality and apparently in demand. Let the pros handle it for you and they get a commission from their efforts. :D