Leaking news about Canon 400D

[Nikolai]

...and 50mm f/1.2L:
http://www.patyuen.com/digital/400dleak.htm

Rumor has it has been on Canon site shortly, but peing pulled off...

[Blurmore]

"after another shooting portrait photographs weapon" gotta love the chinese translation.

On the lenses looks like my sources were correct...I knew they were

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=40663

[Mike Lane]

Don't forget the new 70-200 f/4L IS USM rumors (http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/23/canons-400d-10-1-megapixel-dslr/) :deal

EDIT: Apparently Engadget thinks this will be a FF camera whereas Nik's site says it'll be an APS-C. Gotta love rumors :D I'm really excited about the dust removal system though.

[Blurmore]

Don't forget the new 70-200 f/4L IS USM rumors (http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/23/canons-400d-10-1-megapixel-dslr/) :deal

EDIT: Apparently Engadget thinks this will be a FF camera whereas Nik's site says it'll be an APS-C. Gotta love rumors :D I'm really excited about the dust removal system though.
These is no WAY this is FF, as it is pictured with a EF-S lens, EF-S image circle will not cover FF, engaget has it wrong, this will be a more pixel packed APS-C sized sensor. We won't see a sub 1000 dollar (rebel price threshold) possibly ever but certainly not for a few years.

Maybe I can state this more clearly (and dramatically) If this 400D is FF I will switch to Nikon out of spite and because Canon asked the owner of EVERY 30D (and 20D for that matter) to do[/URL]calisthenics which involve grabbing their ankles. (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkinilexEuroAIJ5XNyoA/SIG=16e8l9cer/EXP=1156441954/**http%3a//search.yahoo.com/search%3fp=Calisthenics%26sp=1%26fr2=sp-top%26toggle=1%26ei=UTF-8%26fr=FP-tab-web-t500%26ei=UTF-8%26SpellState=n-2641503941_q-bbPpgAV2Rk3wKb9z8RpHGgABAA%2540%2540) (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkinilexEuroAIJ5XNyoA/SIG=16e8l9cer/EXP=1156441954/**http%3a//search.yahoo.com/search%3fp=Calisthenics%26sp=1%26fr2=sp-top%26toggle=1%26ei=UTF-8%26fr=FP-tab-web-t500%26ei=UTF-8%26SpellState=n-2641503941_q-bbPpgAV2Rk3wKb9z8RpHGgABAA%2540%2540)[URL="http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkinilexEuroAIJ5XNyoA/SIG=16e8l9cer/EXP=1156441954/**http%3a//search.yahoo.com/search%3fp=Calisthenics%26sp=1%26fr2=sp-top%26toggle=1%26ei=UTF-8%26fr=FP-tab-web-t500%26ei=UTF-8%26SpellState=n-2641503941_q-bbPpgAV2Rk3wKb9z8RpHGgABAA%2540%2540"]

[cwphotos]

Im excited. I have an XT and would upgrade. I dont really like the feel of the 20/30d's. I hope it isnt a rumor.

[SpeshulEd]

if this is FF, I know what my backup camera will be.

[Nikolai]

http://www.photokina-show.com/0131/c.../canoneos400d/

Same stuff, though...

[marlof]

Actually, Nik, this is not the official Photokina site, but the Let's Go Digital Photokina news site. They're rehashing the Engadget rumor, but state it to have a 1.6 crop factor. You can find a copy of the Canon China site at Bob Atkins (http://bobatkins.com/photography/digital/canon_eos_400D.html).

[arroyoshark]

www.steves-digicams.com (http://www.steves-digicams.com) is also reporting the introduction of the new rebel XTI today.

[Nikolai]

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-7897-8492

[ADD: and the lenses: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-7897-8529 ]

[gus]

I dont care what they do but i sure hope they are putting the ISO up in the view finder as well as the usual place. Im forever shooting in the wrong ISO in changing conditons because i keep forgetting to look but i read my viewfinder info always.

[Thusie]

I dont care what they do but i sure hope they are putting the ISO up in the view finder as well as the usual place. Im forever shooting in the wrong ISO in changing conditons because i keep forgetting to look but i read my viewfinder info always.

Lord Gus glad it isn't just me. ISO in viewfinder PLEASE!

[BigAl]

I can't read this as I don't have (want) flash, but have it on good authority that this is the official blurb:

http://www.canon-europe.com/eos400d/

[ziggy53]

I can't read this as I don't have (want) flash, but have it on good authority that this is the official blurb:

http://www.canon-europe.com/eos400d/
Al,

the site you listed appears to be owned by a private individual, mirroring information from:

http://www.canon.nl/eos400d/index.asp

and possibly other sites.

[ziggy53]

Al,

the site you listed appears to be owned by a private individual, mirroring information from:

http://www.canon.nl/eos400d/index.asp

and possibly other sites.

Canon UK is also showing:

http://www.canon.co.uk/eos400d/index.asp

WooHoo, looks like the real deal! On the other hand, let's see what the reviewers and testers have to say. I'm still disappointed that there is no ISO 3200.

ziggy53

[Awais Yaqub]

http://www.canon.co.uk/eos400d/index.asp
Congratulation everyone :wink

[binghott]

andy nailed the 50mm rumor on the head back on may 23rd. . . 2005. he may have been a little off with his price estimate, but still, as he said "you heard it hear first, folks. (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=12027)" (nice typo andy):D

[TristanP]

Rob Galbraith's link is saying the estimated price for the 70-200/4 IS ($1250) will be ~$100 more than the 2.8 non-IS model and more than twice the price of the non-IS f/4 version (going by current B&H pricing of $585). Does this sound crazy to anyone else? Can we assume the price will fall a bit after a year or so? I would also venture a guess that the 40D (whenever it comes out) will be at least 10 MP and have the anti-dust system of the 400D. There, I said it first. :D

[Khaos]

Rob Galbraith's link is saying the estimated price for the 70-200/4 IS ($1250) will be ~$100 more than the 2.8 non-IS model and more than twice the price of the non-IS f/4 version (going by current B&H pricing of $585). Does this sound crazy to anyone else? Can we assume the price will fall a bit after a year or so? I would also venture a guess that the 40D (whenever it comes out) will be at least 10 MP and have the anti-dust system of the 400D. There, I said it first. :D

I would think it will be sold eventually at around $1100. There's a $500 difference between the IS and non-IS 2.8 model.

Why would there be a 40D? If anything another 1ds model will be released with better ISO and higher MP.

[wxwax]

Reuters story (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060824/tc_nm/canon_cameraslr_dc) on the new Rrbel XTi. Funny that it's not on DPReview's front page.

[TristanP]

Why would there be a 40D?
In 18 months there will be.

[BigAl]

Al,

the site you listed appears to be owned by a private individual, mirroring information from:

http://www.canon.nl/eos400d/index.asp

and possibly other sites.Ziggy, (although this is now outdated), I got the link from the manager of Canon SA...

[Wanderlust]

For the digitally unlearned like myself.

Is the Digital Rebel XTi just released on the Canon US site the same camera as the Canon EOS 400D just released on the UK site? I don't see the infrared info regarding for the XTi as I do for the 400D. Otherwise looks the same I think.

Anyone seen an official MRSP yet?

[Wanderlust]

Found my own answer. Have a look. Why is it cheaper than the 30D and the 20D? There must be something I'm missing.

http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2006/08/25/canons-400d-digital-slr-camera/

[claudermilk]

For some good entertainment, head over to the Canon forum on FM. There's a looooong thread each on the 400D, 50/1.2, and 70-200/4IS. I just looked throught part of the 50/1.2 thread (only one of the three I'm actually interested in)...proof you can't make some people happy. This exact lens has been begged for over there for more than a year, here it is & what do some of them do? Whine about the preliminary price, or if not that then about the MTF charts published. :dunno

[Nikolai]

Why is it cheaper than the 30D and the 20D? There must be something I'm missing.
http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2006/08/25/canons-400d-digital-slr-camera/

I'm speculating why it can be cheaper:

No wheel (which is huge drawback to me)
Probably a plastic body
No extra LCDI also like his closing line:
"if you have to ask yourself “400D vs. 30D” then 90% of you should get the 400D. Those that a 30D suits know already" :D

[cmason]

The 400/XTi is cheaper because it is the entry level camera for Canon. Don't confuse features with cost. Cost is a small function of price, price is used to signal the customer how to value things, not what they cost. So having some great new features, some that are 'better' than the 30D, doesnt mean it has to be more expensive. The 350/XT before it had similar specs to the 20D as well. However, the XT family is physically smaller, and is missing a few key features valued by those that buy a 20D/30D: pc connector, rgb histogram, spot meter, sturdier build, top lcd, etc etc

I am very sure that in the fullness of time this will be clear. I fully expect updates to other cameras in the canon family, especially the 20D/30D line as well (not sure why they cant do a 30Ds or a 35D), plus it would not surprise me to see some new pro models as well. Be patient, buy the camera that suits your needs.

What Nikolai said:
I also like his closing line:
"if you have to ask yourself “400D vs. 30D” then 90% of you should get the 400D. Those that a 30D suits know already" :D

[colourbox]

I'm speculating why it can be cheaper:

No wheel (which is huge drawback to me)
Probably a plastic body
No extra LCD

Which wheel is missing? It has the same finger wheel by the shutter as the current XT/350D. I use that wheel all the time because it's much faster than clicking buttons.

The body is plastic, yes.

Lack of an extra LCD can't be a reason for the lower price, because the current XT/350D does have an extra LCD, but it's on the back, conveniently next to the main LCD, instead of on a completely different side of the camera (the top). There is no "extra LCD" on the 400D because they are merging its display with the now much larger main display of the 400D - all data visible in one display, not split across two.

[Mike Lane]

Which wheel is missing? It has the same finger wheel by the shutter as the current XT/350D. I use that wheel all the time because it's much faster than clicking buttons.The wheel on the back by the LCD. Having tested out a rebel I can say I would never get it because of the lack of that wheel. It's just so easy when I'm in Manual to adjust the aperture with my thumbwheel and my shutter with my finger wheel.

[Nikolai]

Which wheel is missing? It has the same finger wheel by the shutter as the current XT/350D. I use that wheel all the time because it's much faster than clicking buttons.

The big huge "thumb" wheel on the back of the camera. It's VERY handy.

This is an image from dpreview (http://www.dpreview.com) (for ref.purposes only!)

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonEOS30D/Images/flip-30d.jpg


There is no "extra LCD" on the 400D because they are merging its display with the now much larger main display of the 400D - all data visible in one display, not split across two.
Well, that's great. :thumb
I'm not sure if this is OK with the battery (smaller b/w lcd needs far less juice than a big color one), but it's definitely a handy feature!

[cmason]

Which wheel is missing? It has the same finger wheel by the shutter as the current XT/350D. I use that wheel all the time because it's much faster than clicking buttons.
Control Dial on the 30 vs the buttons arranged on the 350. The 350 has things in menus, the 30D has them in a list, much faster and convenient to frequent changes.


The body is plastic, yes.

Lack of an extra LCD can't be a reason for the lower price, because the current XT/350D does have an extra LCD, but it's on the back, conveniently next to the main LCD, instead of on a completely different side of the camera (the top). There is no "extra LCD" on the 400D because they are merging its display with the now much larger main display of the 400D - all data visible in one display, not split across two.
It isnt the LCD itself, but how it works and the use: the 30D's LCD can be turned off, and doesnt interfere with the viewfinder. On the 350, the LCD lights whenever you adjust a setting (like ISO, or whitebalance), making it harder to see in the viewfinder, esp at night. The 30D has these key items at the top, away from the viewfinder. Simply a preference, but one voiced by lots of users, as you can see from the inclusion of a feature in the 400D/XTi that turns off the back LCD when you look in the viewfinder, a rather elegant solution.

[colourbox]

It isnt the LCD itself, but how it works and the use: the 30D's LCD can be turned off, and doesnt interfere with the viewfinder. On the 350, the LCD lights whenever you adjust a setting (like ISO, or whitebalance), making it harder to see in the viewfinder, esp at night. The 30D has these key items at the top, away from the viewfinder.

Thanks you guys, from this thread and the other 400D thread (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=41141) where there's been a similar discussion, I've learned a lot about why people prefer different display configurations and where both Nikon and Canon get it right and wrong.

I understand about the second wheel. I've been aware of it and its advantages, but since the post said "no wheel" I thought it claimed the Rebels had no wheel at all. I would love to have the convenience of that second wheel...but decided to put the money into the lenses.

[cmason]

Thanks you guys, from this thread and the other 400D thread (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=41141) where there's been a similar discussion, I've learned a lot about why people prefer different display configurations and where both Nikon and Canon get it right and wrong.

I understand about the second wheel. I've been aware of it and its advantages, but since the post said "no wheel" I thought it claimed the Rebels had no wheel at all. I would love to have the convenience of that second wheel...but decided to put the money into the lenses.

BTW, I own and love my Rebel XT...there are things I wish it had, that the 30D has, but I am very happy with my camera. I am a big fan of the size, I don't want something quite so large. The 400D looks very exciting, the LCD is great, and the dust removal is nice. 10Mpixels? Eh, dont need em.