The Backprinting Thread (Tips, and Questions)

[Andy]

Ask your backprinting questions here!

SmugMug Help - Backprinting (http://www.smugmug.com/help/print-backprinting)

OK One tip is, how to enter the © symbol on with your keyboard? It's very simple:

PC: Hit Alt+0169
MAC: Option-G

Voila!

Another tip, from AnneMcBean

If you want to do backprinting differently for a gallery, run it through the cool preview and keyword features in the control panel backprinting first. That way you know exactly what to expect when you plug it into the customize gallery backprinting.

[JBurt]

OK One tip is, how to enter the © symbol on with your keyboard? It's very simple:

PC: Hit Alt+0169

Voila!

Sorry Andy, I couldn't get it to work.

Another question: The backprinting window is blank in the individual galleries. Is that just for customizing that gallery or did my control panel blurb not take?

[limbik]

On PC: Accessories > Character Map select the © "copy" then Ctrl-V to paste.

[Andy]

Sorry Andy, I couldn't get it to work.

Another question: The backprinting window is blank in the individual galleries. Is that just for customizing that gallery or did my control panel blurb not take?

ALT 0169 do not use the + key

The gallery backprinting will override anything in your control panel, for that gallery.

[technocraft]

Wow. Awesome. About Time. ;)

I see that you've released a bunch of stuff - I'll have to take my time opening my presents...

[JBurt]

Thanks guys much appreciated.

Of course, you know you ruined the first mild Saturday in a couple weeks. I coulda been out playing in the sun. :1drink It didn't even hit 100 here today.

[dogwood]

First off, I love this feature.

Is there a way to have multiple lines on the backprinting or does everything end up as a single line? Just curious how much I can cram on there...

[Andy]

First off, I love this feature.

Is there a way to have multiple lines on the backprinting or does everything end up as a single line? Just curious how much I can cram on there...

One line. 40 characters.

[dogwood]

One line. 40 characters.:thumb

[Scala]

Umm, do the prints for standard or power users contain any backprinting? The filename or imageID would be useful someone wants to order more? I can't find any prints I ordered through Smugmug right now so I though I'd ask.

[Andy]

Umm, do the prints for standard or power users contain any backprinting? The filename or imageID would be useful someone wants to order more? I can't find any prints I ordered through Smugmug right now so I though I'd ask.
Nothing customizable, only some control numbers from the lab.

[onethumb]

OK One tip is, how to enter the © symbol on with your keyboard? It's very simple:

PC: Hit Alt+0169

What he meant to say was "Hold down the ALT key and press 0169". :)

Don

[Andy]

What he meant to say was "Hold down the ALT key and press 0169". :)

Don
PC user 22 years, amazing how fast I forgot Heh.

[JBurt]

What he meant to say was "Hold down the ALT key and press 0169". :)

Don
Yeah I know. That's what I was doing. Didn't woik for some reason. The Character Map (which I had forgotten about. :doh Hmm maybe I need to add more memory) worked just fine. :thumb

[flyingdutchie]

What he meant to say was "Hold down the ALT key and press 0169". :)

Don

And remember, it works only with the numbers on the key-pad!!

- Press the ALT key and hold it down.
- Then press the 0 on the key-pad/num-pad.
- the 1,
- the 6,
- the 9,
- and release the ALT key.

[rainforest1155]

Html-codes are filtered from captions/gallery descriptions when using one of the variables, are they?
Is there any possibility for the siteowner to check the backprint for specific pictures in the cart before shipping an order? I would like to see if my used variables give me the result I expect.

How about giving us the option to create user defined variables with our own content (filtering other variables using regular expressions)?

Thanks,
Sebastian

[TristanP]

I have a suggestion:

Can we get a SMUGYEARTAKEN in addition to the SMUGDATETAKEN? I think it would be useful for some to have the {© "year" www.domainname.com (http://www.domainname.com)} as a copyright notice.

[flyingdutchie]

I have a suggestion:

Can we get a SMUGYEARTAKEN in addition to the SMUGDATETAKEN? I think it would be useful for some to have the {© "year" www.domainname.com (http://www.domainname.com)} as a copyright notice.

I was looking for this one too. For now, i hard-'coded' the year, but your suggestion would be very handy. :D

[claudermilk]

I have a suggestion:

Can we get a SMUGYEARTAKEN in addition to the SMUGDATETAKEN? I think it would be useful for some to have the {© "year" www.domainname.com (http://www.domainname.com)} as a copyright notice.

Another request for that.

[SamirD]

OK One tip is, how to enter the © symbol on with your keyboard?I just cheated and highlighted the symbol above and then copy and pasted. :rofl No ALT key sequences for me! (Yes, PC user for almost 20 years and I forgot how to do them too.) :rofl

[Cindy]

Just to make sure...
If I fill in the backprinting area in my control panel than ALL prints will be backprinted no matter what... even if I leave the gallery level blank where it requests what we want on the back???

[devbobo]

Just to make sure...
If I fill in the backprinting area in my control panel than ALL prints will be backprinted no matter what... even if I leave the gallery level blank where it requests what we want on the back???

Hi Cindy,

I am pretty certain that if you set the backprinting up in the control panel that it will be applied to all photos sitewide. The options at the gallery level allow you to override the site wide settings for a specific gallery.

Cheers,

David

[Andy]

Hi Cindy,

I am pretty certain that if you set the backprinting up in the control panel that it will be applied to all photos sitewide. The options at the gallery level allow you to override the site wide settings for a specific gallery.

Cheers,

David


:nod

[Cindy]

:nod

Thanks for confirming guys :thumb

[SteveM]

Just a side note on the alt-0169 © symbol. The actual backprinting prints the copyright symbol as (c), not the actual symbol, which was trivially (is that a word?) a little disappointing to me. This also makes me wonder, if I use the alt code, then use the remaining 39 characters of text space, would the last two characters be cut off, as the printhouse needs three characters to represent the alt code? Hmm! I also understand from a customer that the print is really tiny for both our backprinting and the EZprints #.

Still, it's great progress!

Steve
www.downriverphotography.com

[Andy]

Just a side note on the alt-0169 © symbol. The actual backprinting prints the copyright symbol as (c), not the actual symbol, which was trivially (is that a word?) a little disappointing to me. This also makes me wonder, if I use the alt code, then use the remaining 39 characters of text space, would the last two characters be cut off, as the printhouse needs three characters to represent the alt code? Hmm! I also understand from a customer that the print is really tiny for both our backprinting and the EZprints #.

Still, it's great progress!

Steve
www.downriverphotography.com

Thanks Steve, we're looking into that (c) thing.

[claudermilk]

That's important. I've read that some places don't recognize the (c) in place of the real symbol.

[pat.kane]

Chris, as far as I can tell, "(c)" provides no legal protection. What is legal? Here's the info from my post on 29 Jul at http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=39204

Is the copyright symbol going to print (it shows up in the preview)? If so, is it legible?

I'd really like to place a valid copyright notice on the back of my images.

Ref: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ03.html

The copyright notice must contain three elements:

1. The symbol © (the letter C in a circle), or the word “Copyright,” or the abbreviation “Copr.”; and

2. The year of first publication...

3. The name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner.

Example: © 2004 Jane Doe

Most people aren't going to know how to enter the "circle C", so I think a new backprint keyword is needed (e.g., (C) or COPR).

We also need a SMUGYEARTAKEN keyword (the only other date option gives a full date).

Thanks,
Pat

[SamirD]

Most people aren't going to know how to enter the "circle C", so I think a new backprint keyword is needed (e.g., (C) or COPR).

We also need a SMUGYEARTAKEN keyword (the only other date option gives a full date).

Thanks,
PatI second these two. :thumb

[Cindy]

Thanks Steve, we're looking into that (c) thing.

Any news on this yet Andy?

Thanks,

[SamirD]

Any news on this yet Andy?

Thanks,He's probably sleeping right now. It's pretty late for the eastern half of the US to be up. :uhoh

[Cindy]

He's probably sleeping right now. It's pretty late for the eastern half of the US to be up. :uhoh
:confused Sleeping... what's that? :scratch
:rofl Of course I'm kidding. I wasn't expecting an answer right now (even days would be okay here)... but knowing Andy & the team they'll have an answer or update of some sorts asap. That's one of the many greatest blessings I love about smugmug is their awesome support. :thumb
Speaking of sleeping..... guess I'm up later/earlier than the rest of the mid US... Night all. :snore

[Andy]

:confused Sleeping... what's that? :scratch
:rofl Of course I'm kidding. I wasn't expecting an answer right now (even days would be okay here)... but knowing Andy & the team they'll have an answer or update of some sorts asap. That's one of the many greatest blessings I love about smugmug is their awesome support. :thumb
Speaking of sleeping..... guess I'm up later/earlier than the rest of the mid US... Night all. :snore
Stay tuned, I'll nail this down as fast as I can.

[Andy]

Stay tuned, I'll nail this down as fast as I can.
Right now, there's a technical limitation on the transmitting and printing of the ©, and so that's why (c) is used. I'm still investigating options and possibilities.

[photogmomma]

If I am logged in, have something specific set for backprinting (in this case, the comment), when I order, will it be used? Or do I have to be logged out and ordering as a customer?

Thanks!

[ivar]

If I am logged in, have something specific set for backprinting (in this case, the comment), when I order, will it be used? Or do I have to be logged out and ordering as a customer?

Thanks!Hi Andi, you will get the backprinting, also when you are logged in :thumb

[photogmomma]

Hi Andi, you will get the backprinting, also when you are logged in :thumb

Coolio! That's the answer I wanted!!!

[SteveLajoie]

Another request for that.
Another request for "Year" please

[dogwood]

Right now, there's a technical limitation on the transmitting and printing of the ©, and so that's why (c) is used. I'm still investigating options and possibilities.

Andy,

Is your investigation complete? Any updates?

[Andy]

Andy,

Is your investigation complete? Any updates?
(c) only, sorry.

[dogwood]

(c) only, sorry.

Thanks. I still think this is a cool feature. And hey-- using opt-g or alt-0169 saves a couple of characters over typing (c), right? Or does it? I wasn't clear on that. :scratch

[pat.kane]

(c) only, sorry.
Given that, I recommend that people use Copr. instead of (c). It's only two characters longer and it actually means something, as explained here:

http://www.dgrin.com/showpost.php?p=368659&postcount=28

[imageinc]

Is this still true? I entered an 0169 into my backprint string, and it was accepted, and displays on the control panel...

[Andy]

Is this still true? I entered an 0169 into my backprint string, and it was accepted, and displays on the control panel...
© won't work, I'm sorry.
(c) will work.

[imageinc]

© won't work, I'm sorry. (c) will work.

Alas, (C) is of no legal impact.

If we can't convince the backprinters to print the copyright symbol, then let's a) get a lab with a clue (with all due respect to EZ, that's moronic), or b) forbid it's entry in the UI, please?

[Andy]

Alas, (C) is of no legal impact.

If we can't convince the backprinters to print the copyright symbol, then let's a) get a lab with a clue (with all due respect to EZ, that's moronic), or b) forbid it's entry in the UI, please?
Hi Imaginc-
Our lustre finish also has a copyright notice on it.

I'm afraid that it's not EZP's issue - and they are not moronic.

We'll keep after another solution though!

[davidweaver]

Hi Imaginc-
Our lustre finish also has a copyright notice on it.

I'm afraid that it's not EZP's issue - and they are not moronic.

We'll keep after another solution though!


Errr... a few things. The Fuji Frontiers and many other lab printers don't support the circle-c copyright character '©'. It's a code hack at the lab to turn that character into the (c) that gets fed to the printers otherwise if just sent to a Frontier you get a bunch of garbage characters in the backprinting. I've run tests on this. It is not a lab issue. It's a printer issue.

I won't go into if you need to state the copyright or not. It matters if you feel YOU need to have it. '©' and (c) and Cpyrght and (C) and COPR all mean the same on a backprint.

I'll bet Andy gets lots and lots of requests for this. I used to get these requests all the time from my business customers at ClubPhoto (a now bankrupt contract printing company) because their customers wanted them. That's why I know about the Frontier backprinting. Cyras and old agfas have the ability to backprint. Backprinting was originally done as a way to identify prints with an order at a lab level. It's nice that SM offers this customization. Useful for lots of things other than ©. :D

BTW: most of the time, making a print or even a photobook is not equal to publishing, so the year + copyright isn't needed either.