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wxwax

Jun-18-2006, 09:21 PM

Everything seems identical except for one thing.

One site describe the memory as being 200 pins. The others don't say anything about the pins. Does that matter?

Are these the same? (The numbers are links.)

#1 (http://www.vikingcomponents.com/ppDetails.asp?pn=APL5300DDR2/1GB#buy)

Viking APL5300DDR2/1GB APL; 1GB UNBUFFERED NON-ECC DDR2 667MHZ PC2-5300 SO DIMM

# Viking Part Number: APL5300DDR2/1GB
# Capacity: 1GB
# Speed: PC2-5300/667MHZ
# Form Factor: SO DIMM
# Warranty: Limited Lifetime

#2 (http://image1.cc-inc.com/en_ideamall/co_pcmall/div_pcmall/div_interface/cons/choose_homepage_2_270x91.gif)

1GB PC2-5300 667MHz DDR2 667MHz 200-pin SODIMM for MacBook Pro 1.67/1.83GHz and iMac Intel Core Duo 1.83/2.0GHz

Mfr. Part #: 1GB PC25300 SODIMM

#3 (http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.asp?Mfr%2BProductline=Apple%2BMacBook&mfr=Apple&tabid=AM&model=MacBook+2.0GHz+Intel+Core+Duo+%2813-inch+White%29&submit=Go)
1GB DDR2 PC2-5300 • CL=5 • UNBUFFERED • NON-ECC • DDR2-667 • 1.8V • 128Meg x 64

Richard

Jun-18-2006, 11:55 PM

Everything seems identical except for one thing.

One site describe the memory as being 200 pins. The others don't say anything about the pins. Does that matter?

Are these the same? (The numbers are links.)

#1 (http://www.vikingcomponents.com/ppDetails.asp?pn=APL5300DDR2/1GB#buy)

#2 (http://image1.cc-inc.com/en_ideamall/co_pcmall/div_pcmall/div_interface/cons/choose_homepage_2_270x91.gif)

#3 (http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.asp?Mfr%2BProductline=Apple%2BMacBook&mfr=Apple&tabid=AM&model=MacBook+2.0GHz+Intel+Core+Duo+%2813-inch+White%29&submit=Go)
Pins matter, so you should make sure that the chip has the right number of pins for your machine. A nice primer is here. (http://www.kingston.com/tools/umg/umg05a.asp)

Check with the manufacturer before you buy.

Andy

Jun-19-2006, 03:46 AM

Once you decide, then look at www.mushkin.com

compart mushkin's price with crucials. both are excellent

wxwax

Jun-19-2006, 05:21 AM

Once you decide, then look at www.mushkin.com

compart mushkin's price with crucials. both are excellent
Thanks. I already have the viking memory. But it doesn't seem to fit well. Before I really jam it in, I want to make sure it's the right kind.

Their help line doesn't work weekends, I'll be calling them today.

DavidTO

Jun-19-2006, 05:28 AM

Thanks. I already have the viking memory. But it doesn't seem to fit well. Before I really jam it in, I want to make sure it's the right kind.

Their help line doesn't work weekends, I'll be calling them today.

Even the right RAM will be a tight, tough fit. It really snaps in.

You got an update? You likey? Frustrated? What?

wxwax

Jun-19-2006, 05:43 AM

Even the right RAM will be a tight, tough fit. It really snaps in.

You got an update? You likey? Frustrated? What?
Me likey so far. Haven't yet Photoshopped, nor hooked it up to the big monitor. Once I get the memory in, I'll give in to Patch's promptings and download the trial version of CS2.

dragon300zx

Jun-19-2006, 11:00 AM

Ok Some ram basics here.

If it's a DDR SODIMM it's going to be 200pins.

SODIMMS come in three main groups.

72 pin (mainly edo some really old sdram)
144pin (sdram)
200pin (ddr)

Those are just general groupings.

Those are all the same from what is listed but honestly only one of them gives the information I personally would be interested and thats option 3. CL=5 which stands for CAS (column address strobe) latency is kinda slow. All the chips on crucial are running CL=3. Now if the ram in your system was already CL=5 to begin with then this is fine. However if you had CL=3 in your system and added in a CL=5 chip you just slowed your ram down. Is it super noticable, normally no, but if I'm looking at spending $10 more to keep all the chips in my system at CL=3 I would do it.

Viking is usually a decent brand although crucial is better :P. Glad you didn't get any of that PNY crap that most the big box places sell. I have more problems with PNY not working in most computers than any other memory brand.

Also when installing the memory it will go into the slot on a slight angle about 45degrees or so, you will feel it grab into place then you will carefully lay it down and snap it into place in the slot. Kinda like the way the OLD EDO would go into a mobo.

wxwax

Jun-19-2006, 11:07 AM

Ok Some ram basics here.

If it's a DDR SODIMM it's going to be 200pins.

SODIMMS come in three main groups.

72 pin (mainly edo some really old sdram)
144pin (sdram)
200pin (ddr)

Those are just general groupings.

Those are all the same from what is listed but honestly only one of them gives the information I personally would be interested and thats option 3. CL=5 which stands for CAS (column address strobe) latency is kinda slow. All the chips on crucial are running CL=3. Now if the ram in your system was already CL=5 to begin with then this is fine. However if you had CL=3 in your system and added in a CL=5 chip you just slowed your ram down. Is it super noticable, normally no, but if I'm looking at spending $10 more to keep all the chips in my system at CL=3 I would do it.

Viking is usually a decent brand although crucial is better :P. Glad you didn't get any of that PNY crap that most the big box places sell. I have more problems with PNY not working in most computers than any other memory brand.

Cool!

And Viking confirmed that it was 200 pins. Which means I need to push harder. Sure hope the snap I'll hear will be a good one!

dragon300zx

Jun-19-2006, 11:09 AM

Cool!

And Viking confirmed that it was 200 pins. Which means I need to push harder. Sure hope the snap I'll hear will be a good one!
Read my edited post to make sure your putting it in right. It shouldn't be easy but it shouldn't require alot of force either. Make sure the notches line up, slip it in on an angle, lay it down.

If it's really that hard going in then take a look to find out why. Make sure there are no bent or broken pins on the mobo, make sure the chip has clearance all the way around etc.

Andy

Jun-19-2006, 11:25 AM

wxwax

Jun-19-2006, 11:53 AM

Also when installing the memory it will go into the slot on a slight angle about 45degrees or so, you will feel it grab into place then you will carefully lay it down and snap it into place in the slot. Kinda like the way the OLD EDO would go into a mobo.
I'll pay attention to that, thanks. Not a lot of wiggle room on the Macbook, but I'll take your advice and check everything carefully before proceeding with the arm wrestling.

patch29

Jun-20-2006, 01:33 PM

I'll pay attention to that, thanks. Not a lot of wiggle room on the Macbook, but I'll take your advice and check everything carefully before proceeding with the arm wrestling.

Mine went straight in and took took a good push to get it to go it, but I did not force it.

Why not post a photo of the new next to the old module?

patch29

Jun-20-2006, 01:35 PM

This video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=8c6ckjy-gdY) shows how easily it comes out.

wxwax

Jun-20-2006, 01:42 PM

Emboldened, I pushed harder. And they did indeed snap into place. Those little screws sure are hard on my eyes, though. :lol3

patch29

Jun-20-2006, 02:36 PM

Emboldened, I pushed harder. And they did indeed snap into place. Those little screws sure are hard on my eyes, though. :lol3

watch the foamish part of the l-bracket when you put it back in that it fits correctly.

wxwax

Jun-20-2006, 02:54 PM

watch the foamish part of the l-bracket when you put it back in that it fits correctly.
Too late now.

patch29

Jun-20-2006, 03:04 PM

Too late now.

It would be sticking out if it was not right.

DJ-S1

Jun-20-2006, 03:23 PM

Good lord, Waxy, how long does this take? When will we get benchmark results dammit?????

:rofl

patch29

Jun-20-2006, 03:30 PM

Does it work or not?? :ear

wxwax

Jun-20-2006, 03:39 PM

It would be sticking out if it was not right.
That's what she said.

wxwax

Jun-20-2006, 03:40 PM

Does it work or not?? :ear
Oh yeah, it's hunky dory. I opened the Dummies book last night, played around with a couple of the i-programs.

patch29

Jun-20-2006, 05:35 PM

Oh yeah, it's hunky dory. I opened the Dummies book last night, played around with a couple of the i-programs.

Does your computer show that 2gb of ram are installed?

wxwax

Jun-20-2006, 08:09 PM

Does your computer show that 2gb of ram are installed?
I haven't checked. I'll do that when I get home.

patch29

Jun-21-2006, 02:36 AM

I haven't checked. I'll do that when I get home.

Longest Ram Install EvEr. :bad

DavidTO

Jun-21-2006, 03:25 AM

Oh yeah, it's hunky dory. I opened the Dummies book last night, played around with a couple of the i-programs.

Ahem. iApps.

Just sayin'.

wxwax

Jun-21-2006, 06:36 AM

Longest Ram Install EvEr. :bad
:lol3

wxwax

Jun-21-2006, 06:37 AM

Ahem. iApps.

Just sayin'.
iGet it. :lol3

iBreak (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2870267&postcount=4) Mac. :uhoh

dragon300zx

Jun-21-2006, 06:49 AM

iBreak (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2870267&postcount=4) Mac. :uhoh

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
so much for the idiot proof mac eh. Oh and what was that you guys were all saying about macs not locking up?

Exactly. I do beleive we have a E.U.E. issue here. Please put the laptop down and take a nap.

wxwax

Jun-21-2006, 07:41 AM

so much for the idiot proof mac eh.

:bluduh

dragon300zx

Jun-21-2006, 07:59 AM

:bluduh

hey man just saying... If someone who is competent like you and can obviously get around a computer has problems with it, what hope does an idiot like my office manager have with using one.:dunno

wxwax

Jun-21-2006, 08:11 AM

hey man just saying... If someone who is competent like you and can obviously get around a computer has problems with it, what hope does an idiot like my office manager have with using one.:dunno
:lol3 Actually, I thought you were dead on. I am a computer idiot.

dragon300zx

Jun-21-2006, 08:14 AM

:lol3 Actually, I thought you were dead on. I am a computer idiot.

LOL if you think you are a computer idiot you should spend a day doing my job and see what is really out there. Your a user, not a tech, but not an idiot.

ChrisJ

Jun-21-2006, 08:36 AM

Just read my sig line... Everyone knows that Bill Gates is *always* right! :D

wxwax

Jun-21-2006, 08:38 AM

Exactly. I do beleive we have a E.U.E. issue here. Please put the laptop down and take a nap.

Left it overnight. Pulled the batt this AM for about :10 seconds. No dice. Time to read the problem solving chapter in my dummies book.

I'm not worried. The Genius bar isn't too far away, that's a nice comfort zone to have.

dragon300zx

Jun-21-2006, 09:10 AM

Left it overnight. Pulled the batt this AM for about :10 seconds. No dice. Time to read the problem solving chapter in my dummies book.

I'm not worried. The Genius bar isn't too far away, that's a nice comfort zone to have.
Hmmm let me throw out a hint.

The computer is trying to find and get ride of a drive correct. Or it's a cd or something like that. Plug in the drive you removed before you start it up.... also see if you can slip a cd in the drive if their isn't already one in there.

Odd's are it has something to do with it trying to find the drive that isn't their. Otherwise I'd just reload it since you have only had it a short while and should have backups of everything thats on it anyways right.

oh and Chris do you think I would get in trouble if I added that quote to my signature for work?

DavidTO

Jun-21-2006, 10:55 AM

Hmmm let me throw out a hint.

The computer is trying to find and get ride of a drive correct. Or it's a cd or something like that. Plug in the drive you removed before you start it up.... also see if you can slip a cd in the drive if their isn't already one in there.

Odd's are it has something to do with it trying to find the drive that isn't their. Otherwise I'd just reload it since you have only had it a short while and should have backups of everything thats on it anyways right.

oh and Chris do you think I would get in trouble if I added that quote to my signature for work?

Gary, I highly doubt that remains to be the problem after he's powered down and restarted.

My guess? Bad RAM. It failed. Take the new RAM out and see if the problem goes away.

ChrisJ

Jun-21-2006, 11:15 AM

Sid, the first thing I do when I have a problem with a laptop is to pull the battery and try and boot it on AC power alone. Have you tried that yet? That doesn't seem to be the problem here, but you never know.

Both Dragon's and David's suggestions seem spot on to me... If the first doesn't work, try the second.

oh and Chris do you think I would get in trouble if I added that quote to my signature for work?
Heh heh, I guess it depends on where you work! I could probably get away with it... but the people I work with all have Doctorates (or trying to get them).

dragon300zx

Jun-21-2006, 11:37 AM

Gary, I highly doubt that remains to be the problem after he's powered down and restarted.

My guess? Bad RAM. It failed. Take the new RAM out and see if the problem goes away.
Hmmm could be the ram, However I have had computers do the same thing before with floppy drives, external drives, etc, when they still thought they should be seeing the floppy there. So even though he pulled the drive if the OS is still thinking its their and looking for it it could cause the problem. And yes even though he has restarted dumped the battery and all that it could still be a setting in the OS looking for it. Why do you think they want you to drag items to the trash before you disconnect them. This is one of the problems they had.

dragon300zx

Jun-21-2006, 11:39 AM

Heh heh, I guess it depends on where you work! I could probably get away with it... but the people I work with all have Doctorates (or trying to get them).

The people I work with idolize Paris Hilton. I'm kinda thinking they wouldn't understand the jab being pointed at them.

DavidTO

Jun-21-2006, 12:22 PM

Hmmm could be the ram, However I have had computers do the same thing before with floppy drives, external drives, etc, when they still thought they should be seeing the floppy there. So even though he pulled the drive if the OS is still thinking its their and looking for it it could cause the problem. And yes even though he has restarted dumped the battery and all that it could still be a setting in the OS looking for it. Why do you think they want you to drag items to the trash before you disconnect them. This is one of the problems they had.

Well, that would be a new one on me. I've never seen a problem like that last through a restart.

dragon300zx

Jun-21-2006, 12:31 PM

Well, that would be a new one on me. I've never seen a problem like that last through a restart.

Yeah but you didn't think the mac kernel could crash on it's own either so...... :wink

DavidTO

Jun-21-2006, 12:33 PM

Yeah but you didn't think the mac kernel could crash on it's own either so...... :wink

I said that in order to get a kernel panic something needs to be *wrong*. Bad RAM, for instance. A well maintained Mac should never kernel panic.

dragon300zx

Jun-21-2006, 12:47 PM

I said that in order to get a kernel panic something needs to be *wrong*. Bad RAM, for instance. A well maintained Mac should never kernel panic.

In Theory. But in Theory a well maintained PC that isn't being abused won't crash either.

DavidTO

Jun-21-2006, 12:54 PM

In Theory. But in Theory a well maintained PC that isn't being abused won't crash either.

Whatever. Tiger is incredibly stable. I have just *never* seen a kernel panic on a system that didn't have something wrong with it. It doesn't just happen. There's a cause for it. That's for the 20 Macs that I'm in close contact with at work as well as the 5 I maintain in and around the house.

dragon300zx

Jun-21-2006, 01:05 PM

Whatever. Tiger is incredibly stable. I have just *never* seen a kernel panic on a system that didn't have something wrong with it. It doesn't just happen. There's a cause for it. That's for the 20 Macs that I'm in close contact with at work as well as the 5 I maintain in and around the house.

Yeah but that has alot to do with the software that is installed on them as well. I have 5 computers at home, almost 30 at work, plus friends, family, clients, and I have never seen a windows product panic on it's own either. It has always been related to a software error created by a third party software, end user error, virus, hardware malfuntion, etc. No software is going to just go corrupt on it's own unless their has been a reason for it to go corrupt. A reason like not following proper hardware dismount procedures, erasing important files, etc, etc, etc. If Macs had equal saturation of the population as PC's do they would have just as many problems. PC's problem is they have way more people using them than macs and way more people who think they know everything about what they are doing on a pc.

Don't get me wrong I love macs just as much as PC's. But they are no more bullet proof than pc's are.

DavidTO

Jun-21-2006, 01:09 PM

Yeah but that has alot to do with the software that is installed on them as well. I have 5 computers at home, almost 30 at work, plus friends, family, clients, and I have never seen a windows product panic on it's own either. It has always been related to a software error created by a third party software, end user error, virus, hardware malfuntion, etc. No software is going to just go corrupt on it's own unless their has been a reason for it to go corrupt. A reason like not following proper hardware dismount procedures, erasing important files, etc, etc, etc. If Macs had equal saturation of the population as PC's do they would have just as many problems. PC's problem is they have way more people using them than macs and way more people who think they know everything about what they are doing on a pc.

Don't get me wrong I love macs just as much as PC's. But they are no more bullet proof than pc's are.

You might be right, but I doubt it. Applications crash, but they don't cause kernel panics. An application crash is one thing, but a kernel panic is pretty deep rooted in the system, and the system is pretty well protected from misbehaving applications. I just don't see apps causing kernel panics. The crash themselves, and sometimes you may even need to whip the errant app into shape---but they just do not cause kernel panics, in my experience.

DavidTO

Jun-24-2006, 08:23 AM

iBreak (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2870267&postcount=4) Mac. :uhoh

What ever happened with this?

wxwax

Jun-24-2006, 05:54 PM

What ever happened with this?Bad memory. The Mac is fine.

I bought the machine thru the NAPP PC Mall, and they put together the bigger hard drive and the memory. Although the memory specs match what's supposed to work in the Macbook, I notice the Viking site does not specify that memory for the Macbook. Dunno why. At any rate, when I took out the 2GB and returned the original memory, everything was hunky dory again.

DavidTO

Jun-24-2006, 06:29 PM

Bad memory. The Mac is fine.

I bought the machine thru the NAPP PC Mall, and they put together the bigger hard drive and the memory. Although the memory specs match what's supposed to work in the Macbook, I notice the Viking site does not specify that memory for the Macbook. Dunno why. At any rate, when I took out the 2GB and returned the original memory, everything was hunky dory again.

Huh. Interesting (http://www.dgrin.com/showpost.php?p=330532&postcount=36).