Excellent update!

[Mike Lane]

Excellent release today (http://blogs.smugmug.com/release-notes/)! Highlights include an all new bodyWrapper and additional classes for the input.buttons and input.smbuttons elements. That plus a plethora of themes. I'm sure there's more that I don't know about too. Lots of fun possibilities with this update :D

[Andy]

Thanks, Mike - for noticing, and posting :D

This one was a big deal, soooo many pages and themes. We're all a bit drained right now!

Huge props to BWG for the awesome buttons and other graphics :clap

[ehughes]

Great Stuff.... Thanks Guys :clap

[bwg]

This one was a big deal, soooo many pages and themes. We're all a bit drained right now!seriously. took you long enough. :rolleyes

[Barb]

:clap:clap:clap:clap Love the new themes and the control panel looks terrific!

[dogwood]

... and to think I thought my new control panel was just another weird bug from using Camino for my browser...

Seriously, nice update. And I'm glad to know the changes are intentional!

[Andy]

seriously. took you long enough. :rolleyes

:poke let it be known that the timestamp on the last image from Lee for this push was this afternoon at about 625pm :lol3

[bwg]

:poke let it be known that the timestamp on the last image from Lee for this push was this afternoon at about 625pm :lol3hey man, take it up with mrs. bwg :beatwax

[Andy]

Some folks have been asking, "where's the new hotness?" Well, you WON'T see it right now, if you have ANY customization. Why? Because we have a new version of the site CSS, for this new default. If we changed everyone automatically, there's potential for power and pro customer's sites to change and / or break - their customizations - so we DON'T want to do that :deal

So, for now, you can do like this:

add this reference to your head tag section

<link href="/include/css/pureSmugBlack.css" type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" id="pureSmugBlack" />

(thanks devbobo for the link!)

At some point, we hope to have a button choice in your customization panel to let you choose the new hotness or the old.

[DavidTO]

do this instead, add this reference to your head tag section

<link href="http://andydemo.smugmug.com/include/css/pureSmugBlack-20060529152757.css" type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" id="pureSmugBlack" />


That's a really quick and easy way to see how much it screws up my site.

[bwg]

That's a really quick and easy way to see how much it screws up my site.you're also using a theme.

[DavidTO]

you're also using a theme.


uh, ok.

[Andy]

you're also using a theme.
:nono he's not

He has Earth embedded in his customization :deal

[DavidTO]

:nono he's not

He has Earth embedded in his customization :deal


Don't forget how stupid I am. BWG's original comment, Andy's reply--I have no idea what the implications are for either statement. I just smile, nod, and say, "uh huh".

[bwg]

:nono he's not

He has Earth embedded in his customization :dealbah, same thing

[geibphot]

Great update guys! I like the new buttons and the new "password protected" gallery icon too...

I addded the http://andydemo.smugmug.com/ css into my header to get the new stuff and it works for me. Is this going to be a permanent location for the new css or will it go pooooooof sometime?

Thanks,
Jeremy

[bwg]

Excellent release today (http://blogs.smugmug.com/release-notes/)! Highlights include an all new bodyWrapper and additional classes for the input.buttons and input.smbuttons elements. That plus a plethora of themes. I'm sure there's more that I don't know about too. Lots of fun possibilities with this update :Dmike, did you get a chance to look in puresmug css yet? :wink

[DavidTO]

Tell me if this is the wrong place to ask, but I went ahead and put in the line in Andy's post to get all the hotness on my site, and then I went through and removed all the elements that were messing it up. Success!

But one question: the keywords page has no customization at all. Web Dev doesn't even show the tab for it. Is that the way it has to be? No banner, no navbar, no nothing.

http://davidrosenthal.smugmug.com/keyword/

[ellepixels]

Tell me if this is the wrong place to ask, but I went ahead and put in the line in Andy's post to get all the hotness on my site, and then I went through and removed all the elements that were messing it up. Success!

But one question: the keywords page has no customization at all. Web Dev doesn't even show the tab for it. Is that the way it has to be? No banner, no navbar, no nothing.

http://davidrosenthal.smugmug.com/keyword/


Great Updates!!!!!:clap

[NikonGirl]

Some folks have been asking, "where's the new hotness?"
Okay, I give up! Can somebody please define the word "hotness" for me? Everybody on this forum appears to know what this word means but me. I feel like an idiot!

:dunno

I even looked it up in Wikipedia! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotness

[devbobo]

Okay, I give up! Can somebody please define the word "hotness" for me? Everybody on this forum appears to know what this word means but me. I feel like an idiot!

:dunno

I even looked it up in Wikipedia! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotness

:lol3 :lol3

They are referring to the new SM features (http://blogs.smugmug.com/release-notes/).

Cheers,

David

[NikonGirl]

:lol3 :lol3

They are referring to the new SM features (http://blogs.smugmug.com/release-notes/).

Cheers,

David

Thank you! Then it seems to me that the title of that page should be "New Hotness - June 2, 2006".

I like to read the posts here to keep somewhat informed, but I admit half the time I don't know what y'all are talking about. Usually, I can figure it out. But in this case, you stumped me.

[Mike Lane]

mike, did you get a chance to look in puresmug css yet? :wink

:nah

why is it a lee love in?

[rutt]

Nice new look!

This might be kind of minor, but it doesn't look quite as good with white background as with black. I changed "PureSmugmugBlack" to "PureSmugmugWhite" in the hack Andy posted and tried it out. The issue is minor because it only affects the buttons I see as the logged in owner of the site. But the Tools, Customize, and Don't Feature buttons all show an outline larger than their contents which looks amateurish.

Actually, this might also be a problem with black background, but I didn't try that.

[rutt]

... I was hoping for a fix for the horrible "Make 2nd Copy" bug, but I can still reproduce. Any update on the status of this that you guys can share? Thanks.

[Andy]

Nice new look!

This might be kind of minor, but it doesn't look quite as good with white background as with black. I changed "PureSmugmugBlack" to "PureSmugmugWhite" in the hack Andy posted and tried it out. The issue is minor because it only affects the buttons I see as the logged in owner of the site. But the Tools, Customize, and Don't Feature buttons all show an outline larger than their contents which looks amateurish.

I assure you, BWG is no amateur. Look here:
http://andydemo.smugmug.com/

Page set to white.

What browser are you using, BTW?

[rutt]

Sorry, didn't mean to slight anyone's professionalism. Should have used a smiley. Mia Culpa!

Your page looks great to me, of course. As I said, the only problems are with buttons which only show up on one's own site if one is logged in. In particular the buttons for the "Tools" and the "Don't Feature" and "Customize". These show with an outline larger than their contents which doesn't look right (note the more accurate choice of words.)

Using Firefox 1.5.0.4 on OS X 10.4.6

I assure you, BWG is no amateur. Look here:
http://andydemo.smugmug.com/

Page set to white.

What browser are you using, BTW?

[Andy]

Sorry, didn't mean to slight anyone's professionalism. Should have used a smiley. Mia Culpa!

Your page looks great to me, of course. As I said, the only problems are with buttons which only show up on one's own site if one is logged in. In particular the buttons for the "Tools" and the "Don't Feature" and "Customize". These show with an outline larger than their contents which doesn't look right (note the more accurate choice of words.)

Using Firefox 1.5.0.4 on OS X 10.4.6

Are we seeing the same thing? :dunno looks pretty darn good to me. Firfox 1.5.0.4, OS X 10.4.6

http://andydemo.smugmug.com/photos/73133765-O.jpg

http://andydemo.smugmug.com/photos/73133765-L.jpg

[rutt]

I realized that a few pictures were probably worth a thousand words (especially now that nobody reads anymore.)

Here is my homepage, with the buttons that don't look right circled in red:

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/73133490-M.jpg

Larger size image here (http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/73133490-O.jpg).

Here is a selection from an even better example:

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/73133750-O.jpg

[rutt]

Our posts crossed in flight. As you can see, mine doesn't look as good as yours. I tried clearing my Firefox cache, but still looks the same. :dunno

Are we seeing the same thing? :dunno looks pretty darn good to me. Firfox 1.5.0.4, OS X 10.4.6

http://andydemo.smugmug.com/photos/73133765-O.jpg

[Andy]

Our posts crossed in flight. As you can see, mine doesn't look as good as yours. I tried clearing my Firefox cache, but still looks the same. :dunno

So, your post proves JT right :evil http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=35376

The way it looks, native, is the way it is on my site, http://andydemo.smugmug.com and the -O file I linked above :D

:wave How've you been, Rutt?


EDIT: :bow thanks for showing Teh Bikini shot again :clap

[rutt]

I thought I'd be a hero and track this down, but perhaps I misunderstood JT's post. With all the code removed from my CSS section, my buttons look great, just like yours. Add back the code to add some text to the footer of certainly galleries (Boston Ballet requires a disclaimer in return for access and posting), then it looks wrong again. This is only code like:

/* removes the BalletDisclaimer from all pages */
#BalletDisclaimer {
display: none;
}

/* shows the made-w-mac on a specific page */
.gallery_1324138 #BalletDisclaimer {
display: block ;
}

Is JT saying that ANY code at all disables the new stuff somehow, or that SM just can't track down every problem with customization and the new code?


So, your post proves JT right :evil http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=35376

The way it looks, native, is the way it is on my site, http://andydemo.smugmug.com and the -O file I linked above :D

:wave How've you been, Rutt?


EDIT: :bow thanks for showing Teh Bikini shot again :clap

[Andy]

Is JT saying that ANY code at all disables the new stuff somehow, or that SM just can't track down every problem with customization and the new code?

Yes and Yes.

You can copy puresmugblack to your customization, and adjust as needed, if you like.

[rutt]

I really don't understand this answer. i understand the SM can't track down every issue. I want to do it myself in this case. So my specific question is this: Is there a something specific in puresmugwhite that detects the existence of custom CSS (explicitly). Is it different than puresmugwhite? Given a few good clues, I can probably figure this out and share my results which might help some others.

Yes and Yes.

You can copy puresmugblack to your customization, and adjust as needed, if you like.

[onethumb]

... I was hoping for a fix for the horrible "Make 2nd Copy" bug, but I can still reproduce. Any update on the status of this that you guys can share? Thanks.

Don't know of this bug, I don't think... ?

Don

[onethumb]

I really don't understand this answer. i understand the SM can't track down every issue. I want to do it myself in this case. So my specific question is this: Is there a something specific in puresmugwhite that detects the existence of custom CSS (explicitly). Is it different than puresmugwhite? Given a few good clues, I can probably figure this out and share my results which might help some others.

Just a hunch, but it's possible that puresmugwhite cascades from puresmugblack. Have you tried both together?

Don

[rutt]

Don't know of this bug, I don't think... ?

Don


Well, that's frustrating, since I've reported it more than once and have been assured more than once that you did know. Anyway Mike Lane has reported in here:
http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=279863&highlight=copy#post279863

I think this may only happen in some galleries. One of mine where I have consistently been able to reproduce is: http://rutt.smugmug.com/gallery/1242703

[rutt]

Thanks for the clue, Don! Including both in order of white, then black worked. And now I have the hotness and the ballet disclaimers both!

Just a hunch, but it's possible that puresmugwhite cascades from puresmugblack. Have you tried both together?

Don

[Andy]

Well, that's frustrating, since I've reported it more than once and have been assured more than once that you did know.

It's been in our bugtracker. I (re) forwarded it to Don, Rutt. Stay tuned.

[Sheaf]

It's been in our bugtracker. I (re) forwarded it to Don, Rutt. Stay tuned.

I think Don was just under the impression from the thread title that it was something related to this release.

[bwg]

:nah

why is it a lee love in?:dunno not sure what you mean by that...i was just referencing something in the code that i thought you would find amusing.

[dogwood]

add this reference to your head tag section

<link href="/include/css/pureSmugBlack.css" type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" id="pureSmugBlack" />

Okay, I'm not totally understanding this. I tried this code out, and I really like the new look/hotness, but as warned, it did change a couple of things that I won't be able to fix without help. So I just removed the code, no problem there.

But... if I want the new look/hotness, should I start a new thread in customization to help me fix the changes it makes that I don't want? I know this seems like an obvious question, but I'm just not clear if a) the new hotness + customization is supported by smugmug, and b) if the knowledge/resources to combine new hotness + customization are available.

[DavidTO]

Okay, I'm not totally understanding this. I tried this code out, and I really like the new look/hotness, but as warned, it did change a couple of things that I won't be able to fix without help. So I just removed the code, no problem there.

But... if I want the new look/hotness, should I start a new thread in customization to help me fix the changes it makes that I don't want? I know this seems like an obvious question, but I'm just not clear if a) the new hotness + customization is supported by smugmug, and b) if the knowledge/resources to combine new hotness + customization are available.


I went through this, and I dunno if this'll help, but the code I had to enter to remove things looked like this. These may not be the things you want to remove, but may get you on the right track?

removed CSS

/*remove some puresmug elements*/
.boxBottom {
background-image: none !important;
border: none !important;
}
#photos {
background-image: none !important;
border: none !important;
}
#comment {border-top:4px ridge #D5B790 !important; margin-top:50px; padding:10px; background:#000;}
.albumNav {border:solid #faebd7 !important; border-width:1px 0 !important;}
#caption_bottom {border: none !important;}
.journal_entry {background-image: none !important;}
.boxTop {border:solid #faebd7 !important; border-width:1px 0 !important;}

[Mike Lane]

:dunno not sure what you mean by that...i was just referencing something in the code that i thought you would find amusing.
:jawdrop
:lol3 That is a lot of !important tags. But I don't get it, so we're not allowed to change the look of the buttons anymore or something? Putting that last in the source would (as you certainly know) prevent any changes. :dunno

[bwg]

:jawdrop
:lol3 That is a lot of !important tags. But I don't get it, so we're not allowed to change the look of the buttons anymore or something? Putting that last in the source would (as you certainly know) prevent any changes. :dunnoyeah...i just made the buttons, JT is the code man. I'm sure they have a plan, but i guess we'll just have to wait and see how they incorporate this with customizations down the road.

[Barb]

But one question: the keywords page has no customization at all. Web Dev doesn't even show the tab for it. Is that the way it has to be? No banner, no navbar, no nothing.

http://davidrosenthal.smugmug.com/keyword/

Did this get answered here or elsewhere and I missed it? I've looked, honest!

[wxwax]

Just want to add my congratulations to the kids who worked hard on the upgrade.

The new look is a huge improvement. :thumb

The pages really look splendid, set-off the images very nicely. I really like the gradient.

Nice job, folks, very nice indeed.

[rainforest1155]

But one question: the keywords page has no customization at all. Web Dev doesn't even show the tab for it. Is that the way it has to be? No banner, no navbar, no nothing.

http://davidrosenthal.smugmug.com/keyword/ Did this get answered here or elsewhere and I missed it? I've looked, honest!
Thanks for bringing this up again - I completely missed David's post. Reporeted over here (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=320315#post320315) in the bugreport section.

Sebastian

[claudermilk]

I'll add my thanks here (saw a couple of other related htreads too). Very nice updates & the header hack doesn't b0rk up my customizations. :thumb All good changes & the gallery customization page is so much nicer (my first "huh? what's going on here? cool!" moment).

I do notice, however that all the pretty buttons go away once you look into a shopping cart. Is this in the works, or am I just being lame? :dunno

[Sheaf]

I'll add my thanks here (saw a couple of other related htreads too). Very nice updates & the header hack doesn't b0rk up my customizations. :thumb All good changes & the gallery customization page is so much nicer (my first "huh? what's going on here? cool!" moment).

I do notice, however that all the pretty buttons go away once you look into a shopping cart. Is this in the works, or am I just being lame? :dunno

In the works. It turned out to be a massive project just to do the pages we did. So we still have photo tools and the cart to get done, among others.

[{JT}]

I am lost on this too - what is so amusing? :dunno

:dunno not sure what you mean by that...i was just referencing something in the code that i thought you would find amusing.

[{JT}]

Actually - it does not prevent you from overriding anything. If you cascade your changes after mine and use !important - then it will work.

I took the easy way out and added !important to almost everything to ensure it worked right. Most of them will be removed (except the extra code that appears when you are using a browser that forces aqua form widgets)

:jawdrop
:lol3 That is a lot of !important tags. But I don't get it, so we're not allowed to change the look of the buttons anymore or something? Putting that last in the source would (as you certainly know) prevent any changes. :dunno

[Mike Lane]

(except the extra code that appears when you are using a browser that forces aqua form widgets)

dirty, dirty safari...

(and camino)

[{JT}]

dirty, dirty safari...

(and camino)

also ran in to problems with Opera too - so opera will NOT be showing the cool new buttons (I can't find a nice clean way of removing the existing name for the submit button). IE, Safari and FF I used a combo of padding, changing the height, 0px transparent fonts - but Opera does not like any of those. So back to default buttons for them :)

I updated Safari's code so that if you are running the latest version of webkit though, you will see the buttons ;)

[Mike Lane]

also ran in to problems with Opera too - so opera will NOT be showing the cool new buttons (I can't find a nice clean way of removing the existing name for the submit button). IE, Safari and FF I used a combo of padding, changing the height, 0px transparent fonts - but Opera does not like any of those. So back to default buttons for them :)

I updated Safari's code so that if you are running the latest version of webkit though, you will see the buttons ;)

I'm a mac n00b... Got a linky to the webkit?

[{JT}]

Here is the blog (lots of good stuff coming to Safari - styleable text inputs!!!
http://webkit.opendarwin.org/blog/

And this program will download and give you the latest build of safari (webkit) each night:
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/27294

Seriously - I know safari gets a lot of grief, but they support some neat things. Multiple backgrounds for a single class or ID would be totally awesome if IE or FF supported them too.

I'm a mac n00b... Got a linky to the webkit?

[DavidTO]

also ran in to problems with Opera too - so opera will NOT be showing the cool new buttons (I can't find a nice clean way of removing the existing name for the submit button). IE, Safari and FF I used a combo of padding, changing the height, 0px transparent fonts - but Opera does not like any of those. So back to default buttons for them :)

I updated Safari's code so that if you are running the latest version of webkit though, you will see the buttons ;)


Does this explain why Camino's buttons are blank?

EDIT: In Safari I see the button for add photos, but the other buttons are Safari specials...

[bwg]

I'm a mac n00b... Got a linky to the webkit?mike, webkit is the rendering engine for safari/konqueror just like gecko is for firefox/camino

[Andy]

Did this get answered here or elsewhere and I missed it? I've looked, honest!
It's being addressed, hang in there guys :D