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cmr164

Oct-29-2004, 10:45 AM

seems that onecall.com has 40 of them coming in, and so last night i got myself number 25 on the list. why? other than the fact i had a $1500 credit there, i don't know!

shhh - do not tell my wife!

i'm sucked in, by all the glory that is full-frame dslr.
Your wife will tell you that size is not everything.:rofl

Andy

Oct-29-2004, 10:58 AM

somebody please be kind enough to tell my wife that she should sell all my camera gear here and on fred miranda, she could pay the bills for like a year :D

... and she wanted me to buy life insurance! bah! :lol3

gubbs

Oct-29-2004, 11:34 AM

Won't "I'm worth it" work?

Andy

Oct-29-2004, 11:39 AM

Won't "I'm worth it" work?
and yet, she can kick my butt.

so no, it won't work :lol3

gubbs

Oct-29-2004, 11:53 AM

I've been through this a lot lately and I've found the equity arguement works really well.... how much will the 20d sell for, can you selll your hairdo ??
I even managed to convince myself that I'm not spending enough on gear :D

wxwax

Oct-29-2004, 03:01 PM

I hate to say I told you so.... but I told you so! :D

ian408

Oct-29-2004, 04:42 PM

shhh - do not tell my wife!

Who :huh

Ian

Andy

Oct-30-2004, 03:48 AM

I hate to say I told you so.... but I told you so! :D

i laid awake last night wondering about huge raw files, workflow, and wondering if i really want to deal with that. dunno if i want to make this tradeoff yet. sigh.

tmlphoto

Oct-30-2004, 04:01 AM

i laid awake last night wondering about huge raw files, workflow, and wondering if i really want to deal with that. dunno if i want to make this tradeoff yet. sigh.
Relax Andy. You just need to upgrage to the fastest computer you can get your hands on and everything will be fine. In a couple of years the average computer will laugh at a 16 MP image.

Andy

Oct-30-2004, 04:51 AM

Relax Andy. You just need to upgrage to the fastest computer you can get your hands on and everything will be fine. In a couple of years the average computer will laugh at a 16 MP image.

yeah but i'm reading that these raw files open up huuuuuuuuuuuge in photoshop....

Andy

Oct-30-2004, 05:02 AM

i've decided to wait.

instead, i'm going to invest in some more lights, stands, umbrellas, and re-buy the canon 100mm macro lens that i tried for a week.

there. i feel better.

sort of...

wxwax

Oct-30-2004, 05:16 AM

i've decided to wait.

instead, i'm going to invest in some more lights, stands, umbrellas, and re-buy the canon 100mm macro lens that i tried for a week.

there. i feel better.

sort of...
:lol3 I give it 6 months. :D That camera is your dream: full frame sensor, fantastic resolution, huge prints... :evil

Andy

Oct-30-2004, 05:38 AM

:lol3 I give it 6 months. :D That camera is your dream: full frame sensor, fantastic resolution, huge prints... :evil

it's funny. i'm not normally one to avoid spending. heck, i've had three different dslrs in 6 months....

but i'm unable to rationalize this ... yet!.

i think yer right, sid. it shan't be long, but for now, i'm blowing $2 grand on more glass, accessories, lighting equipment, etc.

i have no complaints whatsoever about the 20d at this point, and when i examined a 1/2 dozen laaarge prints from my 20d this morning, with a magnifying glass, i still had nothing to complain about :)

however, the full frame resolving power does draw me in. here's a very cool shot from a kodak slr/c full frame camera (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1026&message=10713731). such detail.... hoo boy. *******warning, the file linked is most large ***********

i guess, the rational side of me won out today. go figure!

tmlphoto

Oct-31-2004, 05:54 PM

it's funny. i'm not normally one to avoid spending. heck, i've had three different dslrs in 6 months....

but i'm unable to rationalize this ... yet!.

i think yer right, sid. it shan't be long, but for now, i'm blowing $2 grand on more glass, accessories, lighting equipment, etc.

i have no complaints whatsoever about the 20d at this point, and when i examined a 1/2 dozen laaarge prints from my 20d this morning, with a magnifying glass, i still had nothing to complain about :)

however, the full frame resolving power does draw me in. here's a very cool shot from a kodak slr/c full frame camera (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1026&message=10713731). such detail.... hoo boy. *******warning, the file linked is most large ***********

i guess, the rational side of me won out today. go figure!
How about a used/new/nearly new 1Ds? I wonder what they are worth now?

Andy

Oct-31-2004, 05:58 PM

How about a used/new/nearly new 1Ds? I wonder what they are worth now?

thought about it, but the noise at the higher isos isn't up to the quality of the 20d/1dmk2 or what the 1ds mk2 is touted to be.

tmlphoto

Oct-31-2004, 06:04 PM

thought about it, but the noise at the higher isos isn't up to the quality of the 20d/1dmk2 or what the 1ds mk2 is touted to be.I found one on FM for $4600 asking, mint condition. Buy it and keep your 20D.
The link is here: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/146078

Heres another that sold for 4200 asking with 550ex thrown in. Only 500 shots taken. http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/145898/0#1178722

Very tempting!

rutt

Nov-02-2004, 02:32 AM

i laid awake last night wondering about huge raw files, workflow, and wondering if i really want to deal with that. dunno if i want to make this tradeoff yet. sigh.
You'll love it. You can shoot jpg+raw with highest quality jpegs. Then you can have a simplified workflow based on the jpegs and keep the raws for those times when you really need exposure correction or wide dynamic range.

There is some function that sets the wb balance button (right under your thumb with both the vertical and horizontal shutter) to "center point focus". With this you can leave the camera in full 45 point focus (mostly works great) and just switch to center point when you need it.) This is my favorite 1dmkii tip.

Yes, it's huge. But screw it. Think of it as a medium format camera.

Andy

Nov-02-2004, 03:34 AM

You'll love it. You can shoot jpg+raw with highest quality jpegs. Then you can have a simplified workflow based on the jpegs and keep the raws for those times when you really need exposure correction or wide dynamic range.

There is some function that sets the wb balance button (right under your thumb with both the vertical and horizontal shutter) to "center point focus". With this you can leave the camera in full 45 point focus (mostly works great) and just switch to center point when you need it.) This is my favorite 1dmkii tip.

Yes, it's huge. But screw it. Think of it as a medium format camera.

i actually opted to put this off, rutt. yeah, i'm still lusting :lust over the ff, but i'm going to wait. for my photography, the 20d isn't limiting to me, so instead right now, i chose to spend the $$ on new lighting and lenses, and also a new roof for my home :lol3 honey is happy about that!

rutt

Nov-02-2004, 04:28 AM

i actually opted to put this off, rutt. yeah, i'm still lusting :lust over the ff, but i'm going to wait. for my photography, the 20d isn't limiting to me, so instead right now, i chose to spend the $$ on new lighting and lenses, and also a new roof for my home :lol3 honey is happy about that!
Once again, I misread you. I thought you were buying a 1dmkii, not the idsmkii. I don't think I would buy an S vs the 1dmkii if I were you (basically not a studio photographer, right?)

Jeff Hirsch's advice to me: wait for a full frame camera the size of a 10D and/or something that addresses the dynamic range issues of digital. Maybe 2 years for both. Jeff predicts that the next generation of Canon DSLRs will have a system for greatly improved dynamic range and that the next big improvement in the midrange line will be full frame sensors.

Andy

Nov-02-2004, 04:40 AM

Once again, I misread you. I thought you were buying a 1dmkii, not the idsmkii. I don't think I would buy an S vs the 1dmkii if I were you (basically not a studio photographer, right?)

Jeff Hirsch's advice to me: wait for a full frame camera the size of a 10D and/or something that addresses the dynamic range issues of digital. Maybe 2 years for both. Jeff predicts that the next generation of Canon DSLRs will have a system for greatly improved dynamic range and that the next big improvement in the midrange line will be full frame sensors.

i've progressed from a rebel thru 10d and now 20d. the dr has improved with each, i've no doubt that the dr will be even better in the coming years.

and yeah, i want the ff (form factor) of a 20d with a ff (full frame) sensor :D

thanks rutt!

ps: lights, studio equipment on the way as we speak !

patch29

Nov-02-2004, 05:32 AM

ps: lights, studio equipment on the way as we speak !

What kind of lights did you get? :ear

Andy

Nov-02-2004, 05:42 AM

What kind of lights did you get? :ear

put a lot of research into this. after all said and done, i opted for

two 420ex to complement my 580ex
lightstands (manfrotto)
48" umbrellas (shoot-thru)
a softbox
clamps etc.

why this route, and not alien bees or similar? well, portability i think. the 420s work wirelessly with the 580ex. cost-wise this is fairly inexpensive for a three-light setup, since i already planned on having the 580ex.

i'll share some results, soon :D

ian408

Nov-02-2004, 05:55 AM

What about reflectors or "aux" power source?

Ian

patch29

Nov-02-2004, 06:39 AM

put a lot of research into this. after all said and done, i opted for

two 420ex to complement my 580ex
lightstands (manfrotto)
48" umbrellas (shoot-thru)
a softbox
clamps etc.

why this route, and not alien bees or similar? well, portability i think. the 420s work wirelessly with the 580ex. cost-wise this is fairly inexpensive for a three-light setup, since i already planned on having the 580ex.

i'll share some results, soon :D

Cool. I was wondering if you were kicking down for some slick Profoto gear. :evil

I use 3-550EX's at the moment and hope to add a 580EX.

I have a bracket to mount two 550EX's and CP-E2 battery packs and shoot them into an umbrella if you are interested in seeing it. It is not cheap, but works very well.

Andy

Nov-02-2004, 06:51 AM

Cool. I was wondering if you were kicking down for some slick Profoto gear. :evil

I use 3-550EX's at the moment and hope to add a 580EX.

I have a bracket to mount two 550EX's and CP-E2 battery packs and shoot them into an umbrella if you are interested in seeing it. It is not cheap, but works very well.

yes, can you share a pic of the setup?

Andy

Nov-02-2004, 06:52 AM

What about reflectors or "aux" power source?

Ian

i have one reflector now, and i'll wait on the aux pwr until i really need it. good points!

patch29

Nov-02-2004, 08:24 AM

yes, can you share a pic of the setup?

I did some quick shots of the setup and posted them in this gallery (http://patch29.smugmug.com/gallery/272045). Let me know if you have any questions or need a different angle. It is nice to be able to swivel the flash toward your camera so it will pick up the wireless signal easier. I wonder how much bigger the CP-E3 and if it will fit easily. :dunno When I get a 580EX/CP-E3 combo it will most likely be my on camera unit anyway, so it won't matter. I assume you can buy it from them directly, I bought mine locally.

cmr164

Nov-02-2004, 10:08 AM

I did some quick shots of the setup and posted them in this gallery (http://patch29.smugmug.com/gallery/272045). Let me know if you have any questions or need a different angle. It is nice to be able to swivel the flash toward your camera so it will pick up the wireless signal easier. I wonder how much bigger the CP-E3 and if it will fit easily. :dunno When I get a 580EX/CP-E3 combo it will most likely be my on camera unit anyway, so it won't matter. I assume you can buy it from them directly, I bought mine locally.
Wow! How much $$$ have you got in that setup. Preferably breaking out the costs of the flashes.

patch29

Nov-02-2004, 11:30 AM

Wow! How much $$$ have you got in that setup. Preferably breaking out the costs of the flashes.

Less than I have in Profoto gear :evil :deal but I use the Canon setup more simply because I need no wires or power.

These are all approximate:

Stand $100
Bracket $150 (can't really remember)
umbrella $50.00
total $300.00

2-550EX $700.00
2-CP-E2 $120.00
20-AA Nimh & chargers $50.00
total $870.00

Grand total: $1170.00

luben

Nov-02-2004, 02:54 PM

wxwax

Nov-02-2004, 03:15 PM

Are you serious, or are you just playing?
Oh, he's serious alright. He'll have one in his hands within 6 months, I reckon. Probably less. :evil

:rofl

Maybe he'll have to sell me his 35 f1.4 to help pay for it.

Andy

Nov-02-2004, 03:45 PM

Are you serious, or are you just playing?

i'm serious, but i did put it off. sid's right, it'll be six months or less, and i'll have a ff

sigh

tmlphoto

Nov-02-2004, 04:46 PM

yeah but i'm reading that these raw files open up huuuuuuuuuuuge in photoshop....
You can always drop down to an 8mp image for your street shooting and up it to 16 mp only when you really need it.

Andy

Nov-02-2004, 04:53 PM

You can always drop down to an 8mp image for your street shooting and up it to 16 mp only when you really need it.

hmmm there's an idea...

now, where's that phone number for onecall again? :lol3

tmlphoto

Nov-02-2004, 04:53 PM

i've progressed from a rebel thru 10d and now 20d. the dr has improved with each, i've no doubt that the dr will be even better in the coming years.

Where exactly is the bottleneck for dr? The RAW file has alot more dr than it seems can be used for a JPEG without some PS manipulation. Alot of blown highlights in a JPEG image are actually differentiated already in the RAW file. This doesn't seem like a sensor issue to me. It seems like the problem is trying to cram all those subtle graduations into only 250 pixel brightness values is the problem. Can the eye detect more graduations? Am I not understanding something?

tmlphoto

Nov-02-2004, 04:55 PM

hmmm there's an idea...

now, where's that phone number for onecall again? :lol3
If I can get you to bite, maybe I could justify one for myself:D . It's more camera than I am photog, but still tempting. Ahhh, the mystical allure of full frame.

patch29

Nov-05-2004, 03:50 AM

Canon has a new 1Ds mkII site here (http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eos1dsm2/) with new samples and info.

tmlphoto

Nov-06-2004, 05:25 AM

Canon has a new 1Ds mkII site here (http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eos1dsm2/) with new samples and info.
I just downloaded one of the 11mb JPEG sample images. Simply amazing, one can zoom way, way in and still not find a pixel. The detail is astounding. I uploaded the church image. My computer handled manipulating the JPEG without difficulty its a 3.2 Ghz Pentium 4. I wonder if the RAW files would really slow it down? Anybody know where there are some 1DsII RAW files available for download?

Sam

Nov-06-2004, 07:39 PM

I just downloaded one of the 11mb JPEG sample images. Simply amazing, one can zoom way, way in and still not find a pixel. The detail is astounding. I uploaded the church image. My computer handled manipulating the JPEG without difficulty its a 3.2 Ghz Pentium 4. I wonder if the RAW files would really slow it down? Anybody know where there are some 1DsII RAW files available for download?
I have a Pentium 4 with 1 Gig of memory and thought I would try 16 bit files. Crashed my computer. I think If I understand this, PS will address 2 gigs, and if you are working with uhmumngus files you may want 4 gigs of RAM in your computer. It never ends! 16 MP Raw files.......hum.....you probably need to buy memory cards with a terabite each and have several on hand. Plus dual processers, and 6 500 gig hard drives, and 32" monitor. OH, don't forget the new printer that can handle 1 gig photo files. Arugggg!!! I'm going back to my Polaroid!

mercphoto

Nov-08-2004, 09:45 AM

I have a Pentium 4 with 1 Gig of memory and thought I would try 16 bit files. Crashed my computer.

Shouldn't have. An 11 megapixel image in 16-bit mode should have only been about 66 MB, give or take. Not very huge, and way under the memory limits. A lack of RAM was most likely not the problem. It was probably your choice of operating system that is the culprit. :)

ian408

Nov-08-2004, 10:04 AM

Sam

Nov-08-2004, 05:20 PM

Sam,

When you added the memory to your machine, did you check to make sure the
pagefile increased in size too?

Also, by crashed, what do you mean? The machine bluescreened? The application
died? The application hung?

I'm asking because PS wants to have it's own scratch space. Preferably not on the
same drive as the application. You can change this. It's also the one thing I noticed
opening the raw files from the 1d. I have very little free space on the system disk
(which is the default "scratch" space) and PS just crawls when it runs out. Changed
to one of the others and it's all good.

Ian
Ok, I guess I shouldn’t have been so vague with my terminology. I started getting error messages, when using 16 bit files, stating that PS couldn’t perform the requested operation because of insufficient memory. Also PS stopped responding, closed the file I was working on and I had to do a warm boot from the start button. (Windows XP)

I had the memory allocation for PS set at about 65% or close to 650 MB. When I checked the task manager is showed close to that being in use. When I went back to 8 bit files the amount in use dropped to about half.

Now about that scratch disk. I just checked and it appears I have 4 choices for scratch disks. The first is set to “start up” the next 3 show “none”. Drop down selections available are ether C or D drive.

Should I designate a second or third scratch disk to say D drive?

Thank you for any help you can provide.

Sam

ian408

Nov-08-2004, 05:57 PM

Now about that scratch disk. I just checked and it appears I have 4 choices for scratch disks. The first is set to “start up” the next 3 show “none”. Drop down selections available are ether C or D drive.

Should I designate a second or third scratch disk to say D drive?

Thank you for any help you can provide.

Sam
The disk you assign for scratch use shouldn't be the one the OS is on or the
disk you'll be working from (where your images are). For those of you that
have multiple computers and share out the drives, you shouldn't use those
network drives as scratch space (unless you have a very, very fast network
link :)).

I'm not sure how well PS does splitting scratch disks across several drives
so I can't say for sure if you should select more than two. Definetly make
the primary scratch drive one with plently of free space and one not being
used for the OS or picture storage.

Ian

Sam

Nov-08-2004, 06:19 PM

The disk you assign for scratch use shouldn't be the one the OS is on or the
disk you'll be working from (where your images are). For those of you that
have multiple computers and share out the drives, you shouldn't use those
network drives as scratch space (unless you have a very, very fast network
link :)).

I'm not sure how well PS does splitting scratch disks across several drives
so I can't say for sure if you should select more than two. Definetly make
the primary scratch drive one with plently of free space and one not being
used for the OS or picture storage.

Ian
I went ahead and set the first to drive D. Then I converted one RAW photo twice (dark / light) to 16 bit PS files and went ahead with processing and blending them. I did not encounter any problems. I think it's solved.

Thanks!

Sam