Smugmug SLOOOOW (International Network Connectivity)

[I Simonius]

I was trying to show a friend my galleries last night who is about 300 miles from me and while on the phone we went through the pics.

We were both very frustrated at how long pictures took to load, they were very slow, and I notice that today access was very slow as well

We are both on 1MB Broadband

[Andy]

I was trying to show a friend my galleries last night who is about 300 miles from me and while on the phone we went through the pics.

We were both very frustrated at how long pictures took to load, they were very slow, and I notice that today access was very slow as well

We are both on 1MB Broadband

Who's your internet provider please? I'll ask Wireless (Our Director of Ops) to check on our connection to you. We've not received any reports of slowness of late.

[JimM]

I am noticing Smugmug unusually slow for the last hour or so now.

[I Simonius]

Who's your internet provider please? I'll ask Wireless (Our Director of Ops) to check on our connection to you. We've not received any reports of slowness of late.

I'm on NTL (ntlworld,) but my friend was on BT
(we're in UK)

[Wireless]

I'm on NTL (ntlworld,) but my friend was on BT
(we're in UK)

Hi Simon, sorry to hear that you are experiencing slow downloads from our site. Unfortunately there are times when stuff gets a bit latent when crossing continents. I did some traceroutes, and things look OK.

It certainly is possible that we don't have a good route back to you (this happened last month with someone from the Isle of Man, which was tracked down to a bug in the firmware on a switch of a large bandwidth provider). Can you post, or IM me, a traceroute from your machine to www.smugmug.com please? No guarantees, but I can take a look.

[wslam]

Hi Simon, sorry to hear that you are experiencing slow downloads from our site. Unfortunately there are times when stuff gets a bit latent when crossing continents. I did some traceroutes, and things look OK.

It certainly is possible that we don't have a good route back to you (this happened last month with someone from the Isle of Man, which was tracked down to a bug in the firmware on a switch of a large bandwidth provider). Can you post, or IM me, a traceroute from your machine to www.smugmug.com (http://www.smugmug.com) please? No guarantees, but I can take a look.

If you recall, I once ask a similar question, even though I am in HK.
I perfectly understand that overseas connections often suffer from higher latency, but it is a FACT that smugmug is slower then most US sites. I often need to wait 10 to 15 SECONDS before the site responds.

[Wireless]

If you recall, I once ask a similar question, even though I am in HK.
I perfectly understand that overseas connections often suffer from higher latency, but it is a FACT that smugmug is slower then most US sites. I often need to wait 10 to 15 SECONDS before the site responds.
I need help seeing the facts here so I can talk with our providers and/or strategize on who we buy bandwidth from. Any information you can give me, routes, ping times, time of day, overall performance numbers, which 'most US sites', etc, will help immensely.

Right now, short of flying to Hong Kong this weekend (don't tempt me, I would do that), I'm limited to using sites like traceroute.org. Stuff looks really good (and heck, better than one of our competitors coming from Hong Kong right now), but that doesn't really help me solve any slowness you might be experiencing on an ongoing basis.

Last time we left it, from what I remember, the numbers coming across were within SLA for transpacific providers, yet not spectacular.

[I Simonius]

Hi Simon, sorry to hear that you are experiencing slow downloads from our site. Unfortunately there are times when stuff gets a bit latent when crossing continents. I did some traceroutes, and things look OK.

It certainly is possible that we don't have a good route back to you (this happened last month with someone from the Isle of Man, which was tracked down to a bug in the firmware on a switch of a large bandwidth provider). Can you post, or IM me, a traceroute from your machine to www.smugmug.com please? No guarantees, but I can take a look.

Erm.. what's a traceroute and how do I put it on my machine??

[Sheaf]

Erm.. what's a traceroute and how do I put it on my machine??
If you're running Windows, click on "Start", then "Run..."

Type in "cmd" and click "OK"

Then at the prompt, type "tracert www.smugmug.com (http://www.smugmug.com) > C:\traceroute.txt"

Give it a minute or so, then go to that new text file on your harddrive (traceroute.txt) and copy/past the text in an email or private message to Wireless or myself.

The text file should look something like this (but without those *'s):

Tracing route to hera.smugmug.com [63.81.134.23]

over a maximum of 30 hops:



1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms ***********

2 10 ms 11 ms 12 ms ***************************

3 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms *************************

4 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms ****************************

5 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms **************************

6 12 ms 12 ms 11 ms gige-g7-0-7.gsr12416.pao.he.net [65.19.141.237]

7 27 ms 12 ms 13 ms pos0-2.gsr12416.sjc2.he.net [216.218.230.222]

8 14 ms 14 ms 13 ms sec.r1-ge0-2-eq-sj.smugmug.com [206.223.117.201]

9 15 ms 14 ms 14 ms hera.smugmug.com [63.81.134.23]



Trace complete.

[I Simonius]

If you're running Windows, click on "Start", then "Run..."

Type in "cmd" and click "OK"

Then at the prompt, type "tracert www.smugmug.com (http://www.smugmug.com) > C:\traceroute.txt"

Give it a minute or so, then go to that new text file on your harddrive (traceroute.txt) and copy/past the text in an email or private message to Wireless or myself.

Sorry.....on a Mac :scratch

[Wireless]

Erm.. what's a traceroute and how do I put it on my machine??
It's already on your machine

Windows:

Start > Run > type "cmd" without quotes to bring up the command prompt, then type "tracert www.smugmug.com" without quotes and send me the output (to copy the text in the command prompt, right click and select Mark, then hit enter once you have highlighted all of the output)

Mac:

Finder > Applications > Utilities > Terminal, then type "traceroute www.smugmug.com" without quotes.

This might contain information that could be used to give a rough location of where you live or work (depending on how motivated and resourceful someone is), so if you feel more comfortable not posting it publically, go ahead and send it via PM or email (or edit it like sheaf did).

[Sheaf]

Sorry.....on a Mac :scratch

I fail in the Mac department, but try this:

http://www.verio.com/support/documents/view_article.cfm?doc_id=3693

[I Simonius]

It's already on your machine
Mac:

Finder > Applications > Utilities > Terminal, then type "traceroute www.smugmug.com" without quotes.

This might contain information that could be used to give a rough location of where you live or work (depending on how motivated and resourceful someone is), so if you feel more comfortable not posting it publically, go ahead and send it via PM or email (or edit it like sheaf did).

I don't care who knows where I am:-) Anyone only has to ask and I'll tell them..:-)

here ye go:(I'll be fascinated to know what it means:): )

Last login: Fri Apr 14 09:52:28 on ttyp1
Welcome to Darwin!
simons-power-mac-g5:~ simon$ traceroute www.smugmug.com
traceroute to hera.smugmug.com (63.81.134.23), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.961 ms 0.475 ms 0.369 ms
2 10.112.112.1 (10.112.112.1) 5.917 ms * *
3 * * *
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simons-power-mac-g5:~ simon$

[armani]

Hello,

I also have noticed Smugmug has been slow (VERY slow) a few times (3/4) in the last two weeks. It takes seconds to respond. It takes 10 to 15 sec before a picture shows up.


Armani

[Wireless]

Simon -

Not much help there, the responses are getting blocked. :(

I'm losing feedback somewhere in london if I read limelight's hostnames right (traceroute to ntlworld).

[Wireless]

Hello,

I also have noticed Smugmug has been slow (VERY slow) a few times (3/4) in the last two weeks. It takes seconds to respond. It takes 10 to 15 sec before a picture shows up.


Armani
Where are you coming from?

Ah looks like Belgium.

If you have any information on frequency, time of day, etc., that would help out a lot. Otherwise, a report here and there of slowness without any pattern is pretty much "net turbulence". Since we are located in the San Francisco Bay Area, international customers are more likely to be impacted by latency that is beyond our control (again, this shouldn't be sustained, though).

(and now it's time for bed) ;)

[I Simonius]

Simon -

Not much help there, the responses are getting blocked. :(

I'm losing feedback somewhere in london if I read limelight's hostnames right (traceroute to ntlworld).

My ISP is certainly NTL

I will get my friend to do a traceroute later as well because she got BT as her ISP and she was getting about the same load times as me while we were talking it though on the phone

Do the results I got show up as bad then? those little stars...do they mean the message isn't getting through?

[armani]

Wireless,

I am from Belgium indeed.
Only happened 3 to 4 times in the last two weeks, but then it was really slow. And, all other sites i visited at the same moment were normal.

Anyway if it happens again i wil post it here again with the info you need.

Armani

[luke_church]

Wireless,

I'm in the UK as well, I get very odd behavior with Smugmug. The actual visual latency is fair low, but the through-put is really bad.

If I do usual, single HTTP channel uploads I can barely get 0.5% (500kbps) of the connection bandwidth. If I do some evil things to the inside of my HTTP runtime, adjust cache windows blah, and open 25 odd parallel HTTP connections, I can get nearer 50% (50Mbps).

Downloads aren't exactly fast either, much slower than other files I move from the US.

Is this behaviour intentional? Is something strange going on here? What kind of throughput do your contential US customers get?

Tracert:

Tracing route to smugmug.com [63.81.134.23]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms REMOVED
2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms route-down-3.cam.ac.uk [193.60.95.14]
3 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms route-cent-3.cam.ac.uk [131.111.2.126]
4 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms route-enet-3.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.193]
5 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms cambridge-bar.ja.net [146.97.40.49]
6 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms po11-0.lond-scr.ja.net [146.97.35.9]
7 4 ms 3 ms 4 ms po0-0.lond-scr4.ja.net [146.97.33.34]
8 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms po1-0.lond-gw-ixp1.ja.net [146.97.35.130]
9 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms ge1-0.mr02.ldn01.pccwbtn.net [217.79.160.127]
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 156 ms 156 ms 156 ms hera.smugmug.com [63.81.134.23]
Trace complete.

Looks like its something in the transatlantic link from London, but I'm not very experienced at reading tracerts.

Any pointers would be appreciated. If there's anything else I can do to help, give me a yell.

Cheers,

Luke

[I Simonius]

Simon -

Not much help there, the responses are getting blocked. :(

I'm losing feedback somewhere in london if I read limelight's hostnames right (traceroute to ntlworld).

What does that mean - responses getting blocked? What are the implications?

SM is STILL very slow here in Norfolk UK .

Is that it guys - have you given up?

I don't know what the results of those tests I ran mean but Im guessing its bad

I have to say that I can't really see me using SM long term if it's always going to be this slow:uhoh

[Wireless]

What does that mean - responses getting blocked? What are the implications?

SM is STILL very slow here in Norfolk UK .

Is that it guys - have you given up?

I don't know what the results of those tests I ran mean but Im guessing its bad

I have to say that I can't really see me using SM long term if it's always going to be this slow:uhoh
Last week, the transit provider (Limelight/LLNW) that connects one of our routes with BT Internet reported that they are having problems in the London area. I can't tell if this impacts you directly, but in my status update request for today I have added your route to see if it is related. I apologize for not posting this information here, please feel free to ping on this thread as much as you'd like to get status (I do watch the forum daily, as well as my email constantly).

Your output might be bad. Some of the packets that traceroute uses to calculate time are being blocked (intentionally or not) at a certain segment in your route within the UK. This shouldn't be taking this long to fix, but the last time we had issues with UK based customers, it was due to a bug in the switch software on one of the links. Your issue might be entirely different, we shall see once I get word back from the folks that run the network closer to you.

Stay tuned, you're back on my radar.

[armani]

SM is slow again since about 12 hours.
What is slow:

1. when i click on a link/pic: it takes seconds before the next page shows up, sometimes nothing happens !?
2. when i enter a gallery: pics show up one after the other (about one sec a pic) then it takes a few seconds before the main big picture shows up
3. lightbox: takes seconds before the pic shows up... sometimes i takes so long i close the box

ALL other sites i tested do not have a problem. Only Smugmug an Dgrin.
I have a fast broadband connection. Speed of my connection has doubled since last time i reported problems.

I have problems on different pc's: one at home, the other at my office.

[armani]

I also have the feeling the problem is getting worse and more frequently...

[Andy]

SM is slow again since about 12 hours.
What is slow:

1. when i click on a link/pic: it takes seconds before the next page shows up, sometimes nothing happens !?
2. when i enter a gallery: pics show up one after the other (about one sec a pic) then it takes a few seconds before the main big picture shows up
3. lightbox: takes seconds before the pic shows up... sometimes i takes so long i close the box

ALL other sites i tested do not have a problem. Only Smugmug an Dgrin.
I have a fast broadband connection. Speed of my connection has doubled since last time i reported problems.

I have problems on different pc's: one at home, the other at my office.

Hi, armani, you've not filled out your location field on Dgrin, so we don't know where you are. If you could elaborate on your location, and your ISP, that would be helpful. Wireless might ask you to do a traceroute from you to us, as well.

[mpmcleod]

Should be be able to actually hit hera?

I get:
> traceroute www.smugmug.com
traceroute to hera.smugmug.com (63.81.134.23), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 137.82.98.61 (137.82.98.61) 1.713 ms 11.747 ms 15.099 ms
2 a14-a18.net.ubc.ca (142.103.204.238) 2.856 ms 8.987 ms 1.451 ms
3 i9-a14.net.ubc.ca (142.103.204.98) 1.340 ms 1.434 ms 1.549 ms
4 policy1-tx-UBC.vantx.BC.net (207.23.240.6) 2.064 ms 1.882 ms 7.998 ms
5 ra1wh-ge4-3-15.vc.bigpipeinc.com (64.251.87.209) 2.328 ms 2.550 ms 4.033 ms
6 rc1bb-ge1-2-0.vc.shawcable.net (66.163.69.41) 50.794 ms 190.836 ms 3.035 ms
7 rc2wt-pos1-0.wa.shawcable.net (66.163.76.142) 6.094 ms 6.213 ms 6.206 ms
8 rc1sj-pos0-0.cl.shawcable.net (66.163.77.70) 27.274 ms 27.081 ms 27.169 ms
9 sec.r1-ge0-2-eq-sj.smugmug.com (206.223.117.201) 131.709 ms 202.738 ms 203.969 ms
10 * * *
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then I stop it...

[armani]

Hi, armani, you've not filled out your location field on Dgrin, so we don't know where you are. If you could elaborate on your location, and your ISP, that would be helpful. Wireless might ask you to do a traceroute from you to us, as well.

I live in Belgium.
ISP = Telenet - at home (10 Mbps downstream en 256 Kbps upstream)
Belgacom ADSL - at work

[I Simonius]

Last week, the transit provider (Limelight/LLNW) that connects one of our routes with BT Internet reported that they are having problems in the London area. I can't tell if this impacts you directly, but in my status update request for today I have added your route to see if it is related. I apologize for not posting this information here, please feel free to ping on this thread as much as you'd like to get status (I do watch the forum daily, as well as my email constantly).

Your output might be bad. Some of the packets that traceroute uses to calculate time are being blocked (intentionally or not) at a certain segment in your route within the UK. This shouldn't be taking this long to fix, but the last time we had issues with UK based customers, it was due to a bug in the switch software on one of the links. Your issue might be entirely different, we shall see once I get word back from the folks that run the network closer to you.

Stay tuned, you're back on my radar.

Thanks....
it would certainly make sense if it was London rather than local as my friend who lives on the other side of the country , and south, (which would probably alsobe routed via London) also experiences the slowness when 'smugging' (:D )

BTW_Can I get this thread to email me when updated?

[Andy]

BTW_Can I get this thread to email me when updated?


:nod in the navbar, upper left:

You!>Edit Options>Messaging>Subscriptions

[wslam]

Pls see this post here:
http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=291122#post291122

I think enough are telling you that there are real bandwidth issues, esp overseas.

hope this can be fixed. I have referred my friends to smugmug, but unfortunately, 75% of them said no after seeing the speed we get in HK. No, it's not an ISP issue. HK is one of the most developed (earliest and most matured) broadband places on the planet.

ws

I need help seeing the facts here so I can talk with our providers and/or strategize on who we buy bandwidth from. Any information you can give me, routes, ping times, time of day, overall performance numbers, which 'most US sites', etc, will help immensely.

Right now, short of flying to Hong Kong this weekend (don't tempt me, I would do that), I'm limited to using sites like traceroute.org. Stuff looks really good (and heck, better than one of our competitors coming from Hong Kong right now), but that doesn't really help me solve any slowness you might be experiencing on an ongoing basis.

Last time we left it, from what I remember, the numbers coming across were within SLA for transpacific providers, yet not spectacular.

[mpmcleod]

Pls see this post here:
http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=291122#post291122

I think enough are telling you that there are real bandwidth issues, esp overseas.

hope this can be fixed. I have referred my friends to smugmug, but unfortunately, 75% of them said no after seeing the speed we get in HK. No, it's not an ISP issue. HK is one of the most developed (earliest and most matured) broadband places on the planet.

ws
Wireless,

What would be the best site to use (closest to you, uses same trunk as SM, or??) from the traceroute.org site?
from Berkeley to my computer:
traceroute from www.net.berkeley.edu (http://www.net.berkeley.edu) to www.michaelmcleod.com (http://www.michaelmcleod.com) (meg66)
1 inr-211-inr-203--128-32-206-1.HSRP.Berkeley.EDU (128.32.206.1) 0.579 ms 0.567 ms 0.384 ms
2 g3-1.inr-201-eva.Berkeley.EDU (128.32.255.1) 0.626 ms 0.647 ms 0.458 ms
3 ge-1-2-0.inr-002-reccev.Berkeley.EDU (128.32.0.36) 0.662 ms 0.565 ms 0.811 ms
4 hpr-oak-hpr--ucb-ge.cenic.net (137.164.27.129) 0.976 ms 0.714 ms 0.914 ms
5 svl-hpr--oak-hpr-10ge.cenic.net (137.164.25.8) 2.068 ms 2.026 ms 2.002 ms
6 lax-hpr--svl-hpr-10ge.cenic.net (137.164.25.12) 219.244 ms 33.100 ms 219.603 ms
7 canet-1-is-jmb-776.sttlwa.pacificwave.net (207.231.241.3) 56.863 ms 56.945 ms 56.744 ms
8 c4-bcnet.canet4.net (205.189.32.193) 77.324 ms 77.347 ms 77.185 ms
9 UBCi9-ORAN.BC.net (207.23.240.180) 77.641 ms 78.073 ms 77.544 ms
10 a14-i9.net.ubc.ca (142.103.204.97) 78.122 ms 77.863 ms 77.844 ms
11 a18-a14.net.ubc.ca (142.103.204.237) 77.606 ms 77.585 ms 77.848 ms
12 meg66.microbiology.ubc.ca (137.82.98.46) 79.872 ms !<10> 79.116 ms !<10> 78.959 ms !<10>
from Berkely to SM (it appears that I can't actually traceroute to hera):

traceroute from www.net.berkeley.edu (http://www.net.berkeley.edu) to www.smugmug.com (http://www.smugmug.com) 1 inr-211-inr-203--128-32-206-1.HSRP.Berkeley.EDU (128.32.206.1) 1.009 ms 0.544 ms 0.585 ms
2 g3-1.inr-201-eva.Berkeley.EDU (128.32.255.1) 0.557 ms 0.574 ms 0.537 ms
3 ge-1-2-0.inr-002-reccev.Berkeley.EDU (128.32.0.36) 1.318 ms 0.719 ms 0.616 ms
4 oak-dc2--ucb-ge.cenic.net (137.164.23.29) 0.887 ms 20.877 ms 0.875 ms
5 dc-oak-dc2--svl-dc1-pos.cenic.net (137.164.22.32) 1.932 ms 1.884 ms 1.901 ms
6 limelight--paix-pni-ge.cenic.net (198.32.251.110) 2.945 ms 2.938 ms 2.999 ms
7 pri.r1-ge0-2-eq-sj.smugmug.com (206.223.117.70) 4.075 ms 3.980 ms 3.526 ms
8 * * *
9 *
I notice that you have at least 2 firewall/ routers in place (pri. and sec.) could it be the load balancing setup that is causing some of these issues? Or are these used as separate paths depending on the trunk it is serving?

[armani]

HK is one of the most developed (earliest and most matured) broadband places on the planet.
ws

Just like Belgium ;-). Check it out!

[I Simonius]

Last week, the transit provider (Limelight/LLNW) that connects one of our routes with BT Internet reported that they are having problems in the London area. I can't tell if this impacts you directly, but in my status update request for today I have added your route to see if it is related. I apologize for not posting this information here, please feel free to ping on this thread as much as you'd like to get status (I do watch the forum daily, as well as my email constantly).

Your output might be bad. Some of the packets that traceroute uses to calculate time are being blocked (intentionally or not) at a certain segment in your route within the UK. This shouldn't be taking this long to fix, but the last time we had issues with UK based customers, it was due to a bug in the switch software on one of the links. Your issue might be entirely different, we shall see once I get word back from the folks that run the network closer to you.

Stay tuned, you're back on my radar.

How does one 'ping' on a thread?
Does it mean just replying again, like this?

[bwg]

How does one 'ping' on a thread?
Does it mean just replying again, like this?only if you're saying 'PING!' as you type.

[DavidTO]

Bing! (http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Sounds/MeaningOfLife/Bing.au)

[devbobo]

Bing! (http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Sounds/MeaningOfLife/Bing.au)

:lol3 The machine that goes bing :lol3

I love Monty Python :D

[bwg]

Bing! (http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Sounds/MeaningOfLife/Bing.au)i dont get it.

[DavidTO]

i dont get it.


That's sad.

[Wireless]

I'm sorry to hear this is still a problem, I never got any response back from BTL/Limelight/et al on what was up in London. Naturally, other issues stole my attention so this slipped from the front of my mind.

Checking back at the IP's indicated in the thread, it would be nice if the international folks having issues could please post or PM me their current public IP, I would appreciate it. This way i can confirm I'm working with fresh data.

A traceroute TO us wouldn't hurt, however the important one is our route back to you which I can provide.

[mpmcleod]

I'm sorry to hear this is still a problem, I never got any response back from BTL/Limelight/et al on what was up in London. Naturally, other issues stole my attention so this slipped from the front of my mind.

Checking back at the IP's indicated in the thread, I'm having difficulties tracerouting to your networks. This may or may not be a problem, however it would be nice if the international folks having issues could please post or PM me their current public IP, I would appreciate it. This way i can confirm I'm working with fresh data.

A traceroute TO us wouldn't hurt, however the important one is our route back to you which I can provide.
Can you run a traceroute to my machine? You can use my website address below as the site runs on my workstation where I upload photos.

I find SM quite slow even from the University of British Columbia (Canada) which has a VERY big pipe. I routinely (2-3 times a week) download 10 GB in a few hours from a site in the DC area.

Of course other things can also be a factor.
* content on each page (big images, etc.)
* content caching (both on the browser side and on your systems)
* content complexity (lots of JS and CSS can slow a browser down)
* I assume the pages are generated dynamically(?) and that takes time as well

Perhaps we should ask people to time the SM home page (www.smugmug.com (http://www.smugmug.com)) in addition to their pages as that will confim (or fail to confirm) internet issues.

For me it takes about 3 seconds from clicking GO to finish the display on FF under Windows.

Using Linux I was able to determine that the process of loading the HTML portion of the main page takes less than 1 second of wall time (including time to write the results to the disk). This is compared to more than 2 seconds for my home page.

A page far more complex like www.cnn.com (http://www.cnn.com) takes just over 1 second. My SM site is not nearly as complicated as the cnn.com site.

The size of the text files are:
www.smugmug.com: (http://www.smugmug.com:) 12.6 kb
mpmcleod.smugmug.com: 30.8 kb
www.cnn.com: (http://www.cnn.com:) 100.2 kb

It could be a pipe issue (SM just needs bigger pipes) or the problem may be on SM's end. It may be as simple as the servers taking too long to generate the dynamic pages. The heavier the load the longer it will take regardless of the size of the internet pipes.

Just thoughts, maybe it will spark something?

[I Simonius]

I'm sorry to hear this is still a problem, I never got any response back from BTL/Limelight/et al on what was up in London. Naturally, other issues stole my attention so this slipped from the front of my mind.

Checking back at the IP's indicated in the thread, it would be nice if the international folks having issues could please post or PM me their current public IP, I would appreciate it. This way i can confirm I'm working with fresh data.

A traceroute TO us wouldn't hurt, however the important one is our route back to you which I can provide.

OK, do I have to do anything?
Is there some info you need from me - I'm sorry for sounding dumb but a lot of the terms you use are over my head

[I Simonius]

i dont get it.

presumably you have heard of Monty Python's Flying Circus?
It's from one of thier films:-)

[bwg]

presumably you have heard of Monty Python's Flying Circus?
It's from one of thier films:-)yes, i am familiar. i was teasing DavidTO about a comment he made to me the other day.

[I Simonius]

yes, i am familiar. i was teasing DavidTO about a comment he made to me the other day.

AHA! The thick plottens!:):

[Wireless]

OK, do I have to do anything?
Is there some info you need from me - I'm sorry for sounding dumb but a lot of the terms you use are over my head
Please send me a new Traceroute to www.smugmug.com (http://www.smugmug.com)

Windows: Start > Run > type 'cmd' w/o ticks in box, then 'tracert www.smugmug.com'

Mac: Finder > Applications > Utilities > Terminal, then type w/o ticks 'traceroute www.smugmug.com'

Paste that here or PM me if you'd like to keep your info private.

Thanks!

[mpmcleod]

My SM site seems very slow (FF 1.5.0.3 on Linux RH WS 4) so I decided to run some time checks.

Using three runs:
>time wget mpmcleod.smugmug.com/PhotosByDate
real 1m54.692s

>time wget mpmcleod.smugmug.com/PhotosByDate
real 0m14.905s

>time wget mpmcleod.smugmug.com/PhotosByDate
real 0m47.825s

The size of the file is less than 18kb. This is VERY slow. 15 seconds is slow, but almost 2 minutes to download 18 kb!?!?!?

This is only the HTML, what one would see if they selected "view source" so this doesn't count image downloads, or CSS or JS execution.

I can still download the main page (roughly the same size) in about 1 second. This leads me to believe that the slowdown is on the backend server which is generating these pages.

I hope this helps and we can get SM running faster.

[Wireless]

I appreciate your assistance in this Mike, but I'd like to not intermix the issues here. We have two distinct ones we're tracking: Network, and acknowledged database challenges (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=35292). This one is overseas network performance, which is probably centered around suboptimal routing (BGP can be dumb) or remote ISP's having trouble. Yes, they can be related overall, but there are enough variables already at play.

I'll have the title of this thread modified to help make it more distinct.

oh, and I forgot to answer your last suggestion on getting bigger pipes: We already have, our current network utilization is less than 10% of our installed capacity (ignoring the redundant links). Before the upgrade we were probably around 30%. There are no network bottlenecks within our control at the moment.

Edit:

Although, I'm sitting in a hotel room in Chicago, and I'm getting between 5 and 6 seconds to load your PhotosByDate page on repeated attempts using a timed wget. So this might be a network related issue for you as well.

From smugmug edge routers to ORD:
1 ge2-11.fr1.sjc.llnw.net (206.223.117.33) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec
2 12.119.139.13 [AS 7018] 0 msec 0 msec 4 msec
3 tbr2-p011402.sffca.ip.att.net (12.123.12.38) [AS 7018] 64 msec 64 msec 64 msec
4 tbr1-cl2.sl9mo.ip.att.net (12.122.10.41) [AS 7018] 64 msec 68 msec 64 msec
5 tbr2-cl24.sl9mo.ip.att.net (12.122.9.142) [AS 7018] 64 msec 64 msec 64 msec
6 tbr2-cl29.attga.ip.att.net (12.122.10.137) [AS 7018] 68 msec 64 msec 64 msec
7 ar5-p3110.attga.ip.att.net (12.123.20.129) [AS 7018] 60 msec 60 msec 64 msec

ORD to smugmug:
traceroute to hera.smugmug.com (63.81.134.23), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 2005host1 (12.160.3.1) 1.269 ms 0.500 ms 0.330 ms
2 12.160.1.193 (12.160.1.193) 1.359 ms 1.496 ms 1.599 ms
3 * * *
4 br2-a3120s10.attga.ip.att.net (12.123.20.246) 84.651 ms 85.410 ms 109.327 ms
5 tbr2-cl29.sl9mo.ip.att.net (12.122.10.138) 86.623 ms 86.170 ms 86.212 ms
6 tbr1-cl24.sl9mo.ip.att.net (12.122.9.141) 88.014 ms 88.247 ms 87.898 ms
7 tbr2-cl2.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.10.42) 87.823 ms 88.248 ms 107.440 ms
8 12.123.12.61 (12.123.12.61) 85.472 ms 85.832 ms 85.468 ms
9 12.126.40.42 (12.126.40.42) 86.179 ms 87.085 ms 87.095 ms
10 pri.r1-ge0-2-eq-sj.smugmug.com (206.223.117.70) 85.155 ms 97.153 ms 85.663 ms

[mpmcleod]

Edit:

Although, I'm sitting in a hotel room in Chicago, and I'm getting between 5 and 6 seconds to load your PhotosByDate page on repeated attempts using a timed wget. So this might be a network related issue for you as well.

I am now getting between 3-7 seconds. MUCH improved.

[I Simonius]

Please send me a new Traceroute to www.smugmug.com (http://www.smugmug.com)

Windows: Start > Run > type 'cmd' w/o ticks in box, then 'tracert www.smugmug.com'

Mac: Finder > Applications > Utilities > Terminal, then type w/o ticks 'traceroute www.smugmug.com'

Paste that here or PM me if you'd like to keep your info private.

Thanks!

OK I did as you suggested (on my Mac) and although it means absolutely nothing to me I'm sure it makes sense to you!

Let me know the implications?


Here it is:
Last login: Sat Jun 3 18:57:51 on ttyp1
Welcome to Darwin!
simons-power-mac-g5:~ simon$ traceroute www.smugmug.com
traceroute to hera.smugmug.com (63.81.134.23), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.948 ms 0.414 ms 0.389 ms
2 10.121.56.1 (10.121.56.1) 9.253 ms * *
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simons-power-mac-g5:~ simon$

[I Simonius]

OK I did as you suggested (on my Mac) and although it means absolutely nothing to me I'm sure it makes sense to you!

Let me know the implications?


a bell's distant ring is carried on the wind......


Tumble weed giving form to the whistling breeze.....

[I Simonius]

OK I did as you suggested (on my Mac) and although it means absolutely nothing to me I'm sure it makes sense to you!

Let me know the implications?


Here it is:
Last login: Sat Jun 3 18:57:51 on ttyp1
Welcome to Darwin!
simons-power-mac-g5:~ simon$ traceroute www.smugmug.com
traceroute to hera.smugmug.com (63.81.134.23), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.948 ms 0.414 ms 0.389 ms
2 10.121.56.1 (10.121.56.1) 9.253 ms * *
3 * * *
4 * * *
5 * * *


OK so last time there was no comment you told me to ping you , or it, but still nada?

I'd appreciate someone at least saying 'yes we have no idea what that means-something-anything....' otherwise I don't know even if it has been read:scratch

[Wireless]

Sorry for the delay, there just really isn't a smoking gun to clearly identify why you are having delays accessing our site. The traceroute you have posted isn't giving helpful info other than that there's some filtering (or timeouts) of the ICMP responses for each segment. I've stepped it back a few hops and traced to your ISP, but still get results within transatlantic SLA for the major providers.

Essentially, everything looks fine other than the issues we've already identified recently (database, etc). :dunno

[rainforest1155]

Smugmug is dead slow for me from Germany at the moment. Takes more than a minute for a user site to show up. Custom domains like mine and Andy's and the main page/ browse page are fine though! It's just the username.smugmug.com. :dunno

I also noticed that my route to smugmug.com looks different. A couple of weeks ago I used to take the route from New York to the west coast. Now it looks like this:
Routenverfolgung zu hera.smugmug.com [63.81.134.23] über maximal 30 Abschnitte:

1 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms PC9 [192.168.0.1]
2 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
3 48 ms 75 ms 290 ms 217.0.64.214
4 140 ms 141 ms 139 ms was-e4.WAS.US.net.DTAG.DE [62.154.15.38]
5 184 ms 162 ms 287 ms so0-0-0-2488m.ar1.DCA3.gblx.net [208.51.74.17]
6 225 ms 232 ms 240 ms so5-0-0-2488M.ar1.SJC2.gblx.net [67.17.67.154]
7 222 ms 224 ms 330 ms pri.r1-ge0-2-eq-sj.smugmug.com [206.223.117.70]
8 250 ms 248 ms 258 ms hera.smugmug.com [63.81.134.23]
Ablaufverfolgung beendet.

Are these changes due to your effort to decentralize the site?

Thanks,
Sebastian

PS: I don't know why the first server of my ISP timed out. :dunno Guess that has got to do with my strange problem.
EDIT: Problem is the same on IE6 and FF. I'm using www.congster.de (http://www.congster.de) which should be powered by www.telekom.de (http://www.telekom.de) - the biggest provider in Germany.

[C_lawgik]

Im having extremely slow load times also for me and customers

[Scala]

Edit: Ok so the current slowness is due to a software update at Smugmug. Anyway, here's a traceroute from Finland where Smugmug is intermittently kind of sluggish...

Tracing route to hera.smugmug.com [63.81.134.23]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 7 ms 8 ms 7 ms so-erx1.hel.elisa-laajakaista.fi [80.186.0.1]
3 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms jnx-xdsl2-ae0.hel.kolumbus.net [193.229.6.81]
4 5 ms 6 ms 5 ms ge-1-0-0.jnx-ka.hel.kolumbus.net [193.229.255.12]
5 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms so-1-0-0.kista10.sto.kolumbus.net [193.229.1.26]
6 230 ms 215 ms 199 ms kista1.sto.kolumbus.net [62.248.254.35]
7 106 ms 105 ms 105 ms telebw1-pos1.nyc.kolumbus.net [193.229.1.98]
8 116 ms 116 ms 117 ms nyiix.he.net [198.32.160.61]
9 183 ms 184 ms 183 ms pos0-1.gsr12416.sjc2.he.net [216.218.223.133]
10 183 ms 184 ms 183 ms pri.r1-ge0-2-eq-sj.smugmug.com [206.223.117.70]
11 182 ms 181 ms 181 ms hera.smugmug.com [63.81.134.23]
Trace complete.