challenge comments

[Andy]

i'm sorry to have to report that, due to my incredibly busy schedule, i will not be able to continue to critique and comment on every challenge photo any more.

done right, it takes me usually about 2 hours total time. and while that may not sound like much, when that 2 hours is piled on top of all the other hours i spend on the challenges, and on other dgrin stuff, i simply cannot do it anymore.

i will begin, however, to make comments as i'm able to, in the comment threads that everyone is using for their critiques prior to entering photos.

thank you all, for your understanding in this matter. it was not an easy decision for me to make.

[cmr164]

i'm sorry to have to report that, due to my incredibly busy schedule, i will not be able to continue to critique and comment on every challenge photo any more.

done right, it takes me usually about 2 hours total time. and while that may not sound like much, when that 2 hours is piled on top of all the other hours i spend on the challenges, and on other dgrin stuff, i simply cannot do it anymore.

i will begin, however, to make comments as i'm able to, in the comment threads that everyone is using for their critiques prior to entering photos.

thank you all, for your understanding in this matter. it was not an easy decision for me to make.
I guess that I will drop participation in the challenges. It is a difficult decision but seems to be the correct one.

[Andy]

I guess that I will drop participation in the challenges. It is a difficult decision but seems to be the correct one.

if you were participating becuase i gave comments ... c'mon now ... these challenge are about growing our skills, learning from each other, self-motivation, and self-critique.

do me a favor, and challenge yourself to a half-dozen more, and see if you don't become a better photographer for it. :deal?

[lynnesite]

i'm sorry to have to report that, due to my incredibly busy schedule, i will not be able to continue to critique and comment on every challenge photo any more.

done right, it takes me usually about 2 hours total time. and while that may not sound like much, when that 2 hours is piled on top of all the other hours i spend on the challenges, and on other dgrin stuff, i simply cannot do it anymore.

i will begin, however, to make comments as i'm able to, in the comment threads that everyone is using for their critiques prior to entering photos.

thank you all, for your understanding in this matter. it was not an easy decision for me to make.

I appreciate the work you do/did. There is a range of skillsets here but we all benefit from shooting the themes while helping each other with constructive comments.

Lynne

[Andy]

I appreciate the work you do/did. There is a range of skillsets here but we all benefit from shooting the themes while helping each other with constructive comments.

Lynne

i'm still going to comment.

[cmr164]

if you were participating becuase i gave comments ... c'mon now ... these challenge are about growing our skills, learning from each other, self-motivation, and self-critique.

do me a favor, and challenge yourself to a half-dozen more, and see if you don't become a better photographer for it. :deal?
I would like to see the prescreening removed entirely from the challenge. The 10 limit in a poll can be handled by a variety of methods. But let the populace deside the finalists if weeding needs to be done. Become a participant and divorce yourself from the judging process and I will willingly come back.
:deal

[ian408]

Andy,

Thanks for your participation.

For me, the challenges are a lot of fun and I do learn from them. Mostly
by comparison to other shooters. When I do receive feedback, it's all the
better.

Given this isn't your job, I can understand your decision.

Ian

[ginger_55]

I would like to see the prescreening removed entirely from the challenge. The 10 limit in a poll can be handled by a variety of methods. But let the populace deside the finalists if weeding needs to be done. Become a participant and divorce yourself from the judging process and I will willingly come back.
:deal
Charles, I don't think that is a bad idea. I would prefer that there not be finalists. I would prefer that I not get involved and would prefer not to send this, but I felt so bad this afternoon. I never feel that way after the voting, only after the expert who really knows who is good and who is bad has passed judgement.

I am not making any threats as I am going to look out for myself, and my photography is very important to me. I am the type who just disappears in most cases. This afternoon I was thinking about the landscapes and I kept coming back to the fact that no matter how hard I tried, the RAW, the tripods, no matter, the danger, I was never going to do this well. I really don't like doing things badly over and over.

If it makes anyone feel better my oldest daughter says I am a spoiled brat. I like the photos that were chosen. I like some very well that weren't chosen.
We have many new people, maybe I am not good enough anymore for this group..........that is a very real possibility. That is why I stay away from FM and contests and stuff.

Charles, I don't know why you feel as you do, I don't know why I feel as I do.

I do wish there had been a critique last time, not this time, last time.

ginger

I hate this, I keep coming out as the spoiled apple whining all the time.

You know, though, I put a lot of time into this thing, too. I stay up all night, I have told them to take me off of the tennis roles..... I may not work for a living, but I am spending a lot of time doing this. In the past the rewards were great.

Now I am living on that, I really can't go back. I was really happy for awhile and doing things I hadn't done in years........

Just don't have anything else to say, no threats, just sadness....don't know how to make it work better. It was fine when I was a finalist, maybe that is why we like to know when we aren't, why we aren't.

[Andy]

to participate, or not participate, that's everyone's choice. it's a shame if one doesn't participate imo, to miss out on the opportunity to learn and grow! the idea of the challenges, is to get focused on a theme for a fortnight ... and to concentrate on some photographic skills that you may learn during the two-week period. read the articles and links that i provide in the challenge setup, i work hard to find and provide some good material for everyone to hopefully learn something from.

regarding the judging - and finalists - we are limited to max of 10 finalists, and we now have the previoius winner judging along with me. dunno how much more i can do on that. :dunno

[miketaylor01]

Ginger, I can understand your feelings on wondering why your photo was not chosen as a finalist as mine was not either but you have to rememebr that photography is a very subjective thing and what is beautiful in one persons eyes may not be in anothers. This does not mean that your work was not very good, but in that one instance your work was not chosen over others for whatever reason. Now as Andy stated he is stil going to comment just not the way he used to. I think I personnaly woudl prefer his comments in the way he is saying he is going to give them now as it gives us a chance to learn more while in the process of deciding what to enter and that feedback to me is much more valuable in the growth process than after the fact when we have produced what we believe to be our best product only to come to find that there was something about it that caused it not to be chosen. On that not I would have loved to have heard Andys comments as to why my work was not chosen and what his thoughts are as to what technically I can do to improve my work, but at the same time I completely understand why he is not able to do this at this time and will look forward to hearing his comments in the future.

Just remember that ultimately its not the approval of others that you should ultimately be seeking, but your own approval of what you have accompished. No matter how good you think someone might be at something they are also always learning new and better ways to improve their work as well.

As for you not being good enough for this forum any longer I completely disagree with you on that.

Just my 2 cents and I hope this jumbled mess of a response helps others in one way or another.

[webwizard]

I like the challenges because it gives me a reason to shoot and a theme to go after. If I win, I win but who cares, its the practice that counts. I am very competitive by nature so I expect to win some eventually but mostly, I'm in it for the fun.

The challenge this week is having to go to work and trying to find some minimalist kinds of landscapes on my office commute route! Besides, I'll be in San Francisco this weekend! Last week was my first try and even though my photo didn't get selected, I am undaunted.

I was surprised to see Lynn's piece in the finals only because I had shot a couple that were very similar to hers and she beat me to it! I decided to submit another photo rather than have something that was so close to her work.
http://webwiz.smugmug.com/photos/9837960-S.jpg

http://webwiz.smugmug.com/photos/9999145-S.jpg


Lynn liked my blur shot("I'm late . . .", below) better but I didn't enter it because I didn't like it as much. Maybe if I had listened to her. . .
http://webwiz.smugmug.com/photos/9999144-S.jpg

I went with the Bear Mountain bridge shot even though the "Spans of Time" stretched the challenge theme because . . . well, I just liked it the best.

I have an old friend whose belief is that "life is too important to be taken seriously". It took me a long time to accept that. I think the purpose of these challenges is to have fun, otherwise why bother?

People are going to be passing judgement on me all my life. Who cares? The fact that my photo did not get selected as a finalist does not mean that my work is any better or worse than yours. I've had people pay me more for a photo that I thought was a poor shot and pass by the one that I beleived was way better. It's just their opininon and it gives me something to shoot for(sorry for the pun).

[DJ-S1]

I like the challenges because it gives me a reason to shoot and a theme to go after. If I win, I win but who cares, its the practice that counts. I am very competitive by nature so I expect to win some eventually but mostly, I'm in it for the fun.

I think the purpose of these challenges is to have fun, otherwise why bother?:clap :thumb :super :beer :nod

Rats , I ran out of "I-agree-with-you" smilies...:D

[snapapple]

I would like to see the prescreening removed entirely from the challenge. The 10 limit in a poll can be handled by a variety of methods. But let the populace deside the finalists if weeding needs to be done. Become a participant and divorce yourself from the judging process and I will willingly come back. :deal

I think we could try doing away with the preliminary round of judging. It means taking a risk however. Right now we have an experienced photographer to make sure that the best photos get due consideration. We do have a number of experienced photographers among our membership, but out of hundreds of members what is the percentage? Some people tend to vote based on emotional appeal or vote for people they like etc. I believe the only way to keep voting truly fare is to have it anonymous. That would mean not seeing the pictures before the voting. Then how would we learn from each other? It's a catch 22 situation.

I have to tell you, after doing it myself for the first time, judging is not easy. I tried to be completely impartial. I judged each photo on its own merrits, not compared to the others. I made up a point system. I gave a share of points to each of 4 criteria: Relavence to the theme, composition, technical merrit, originality & creativity. Using this method worked well. It's hard to not vote for people who have been nice to you and that sort of thing. But, sticking to the point system, is cold hard facts. I matched with Andy on six of the eight finalists. There were some that didn't make the cut that were very good photos. But remember, we had 28 entries. You have to cut it off somewhere. Not everyone can be a winner.

There were so many great entries. I was just torn at the end. I had to try to break ties in my point system. I will be happy to give my comments on every photo if you would like me to. I'm not Andy, of course. :D I do think it will be great if Andy starts making comments in the comments thread. That will help us improve *before* the voting. We all value his opinion. Please, everyone, stay involved. Try to critique your own photos and remember this is supposed to be fun!

Thanks, Andy, for all your time. I for one, will definitely miss your comments. I was curious to hear your opinions on those that didn't make the cut in Challenge 22. But, I understand. :thumb

[Sam]

Can not believe some of the comments! To.....(you know who you are) slowly walk, don't run, to the medicine cabinet, take out those cute little pills the doctor prescribed for you, and take a hand full!

Andy, thanks for all the work, comments, tutorials, and unselfish effort you have provided. When ever you have time or inclination your contributions will always be appreciated.

Sam

[landrum]

Can not believe some of the comments! To.....(you know who you are) slowly walk, don't run, to the medicine cabinet, take out those cute little pills the doctor prescribed for you, and take a hand full!

Andy, thanks for all the work, comments, tutorials, and unselfish effort you have provided. When ever you have time or inclination your contributions will always be appreciated.

SamYou can say that again!!! I'm sorry, but there are a bunch of whiners here. Appreciate the wonderful help that Andy provides and stop complaining that it isn't enough! I think that his commenting in the strings will be much more useful to help in shot selection and PS adjustments anyway.

Sam summed it up perfectly (and much nicer than I).

Andy, thank you!:clap :clap :clap

[cmr164]

I think we could try doing away with the preliminary round of judging. It means taking a risk however. Right now we have an experienced photographer to make sure that the best photos get due consideration. We do have a number of experienced photographers among our membership, but out of hundreds of members what is the percentage? Some people tend to vote based on emotional appeal or vote for people they like etc. I believe the only way to keep voting truly fare is to have it anonymous. That would mean not seeing the pictures before the voting. Then how would we learn from each other? It's a catch 22 situation.
Maybe it is difficult but I would rather have Andy's input freely given in as a co-contributor who is also the respected founder. Along with Rutt and Damon and a couple of others I find myself unhappy with the pre-screening and with the dropping of the challenge comments even the explanations for the prescreening is gone.

I have to tell you, after doing it myself for the first time, judging is not easy. I tried to be completely impartial. I judged each photo on its own merrits, not compared to the others. I made up a point system. I gave a share of points to each of 4 criteria: Relavence to the theme, composition, technical merrit, originality & creativity. Using this method worked well. It's hard to not vote for people who have been nice to you and that sort of thing. But, sticking to the point system, is cold hard facts. I matched with Andy on six of the eight finalists. There were some that didn't make the cut that were very good photos. But remember, we had 28 entries. You have to cut it off somewhere. Not everyone can be a winner.

There were so many great entries. I was just torn at the end. I had to try to break ties in my point system. I will be happy to give my comments on every photo if you would like me to. I'm not Andy, of course. :D I do think it will be great if Andy starts making comments in the comments thread. That will help us improve *before* the voting. We all value his opinion. Please, everyone, stay involved. Try to critique your own photos and remember this is supposed to be fun! yes it is. The combination of irritation with some who tie their whole existence to the challenges and my dissatisfaction with the prescreening has turned this into a less fun exercise. I had already backed off a lot from participation so this is not a big change.


Thanks, Andy, for all your time. I for one, will definitely miss your comments. I was curious to hear your opinions on those that didn't make the cut in Challenge 22. But, I understand. :thumb
I absolutely agree. Andy's founding of the challenges was a wonderful thing and his comments are always insightful particularly when I find them inciteful :D

I will miss his final comments.

[FreeUps]

.. putting in all this effort to be unhappy?? As Andy says, "ENJOY PHOTOGRAPHY".

If the negative critique is too much to handle, then competetive photography is not the route to take - I.E. Dgrin photo challenges.. It shouldn't even be competetive, but to many of us it is. I understand taking this serious, thats good, it shows devotion... but when negative attitudes come out because things don't go the way you want, its not a very nice attitude.

Things change; they'll never stay the same. Everyone should be happy that there's so much traffic to be seen by Dgrin these days. more people = more photography = more input = more everything for me.

Being one of the newer members here at Dgrin, it makes me unhappy to hear that some older members wish I, along with others, weren't here. I've heard it multiple times, "Theres too many people now, its just not the same great community it used to be."

You couldn't possibly expect a place this great to stay unpopulated. This is the best photography forum I've ever come across. I'm glad it is where it is, and I hope to see it flourish more and more in time.

This grinners happy, and I haven't been selected for the top ten challenge photos once. :D

Sorry for the rant, I just feel like there is a lack of appreciation.

[cmr164]

.. putting in all this effort to be unhappy?? As Andy says, "ENJOY PHOTOGRAPHY".

If the negative critique is too much to handle, then competetive photography is not the route to take - I.E. Dgrin photo challenges.. It shouldn't even be competetive, but to many of us it is. I understand taking this serious, thats good, it shows devotion... but when negative attitudes come out because things don't go the way you want, its not a very nice attitude.
I want more critique not less. Let it rip. Pick on every detail. Heck yes!! That will help all of us become better.


Things change; they'll never stay the same. Everyone should be happy that there's so much traffic to be seen by Dgrin these days. more people = more photography = more input = more everything for me.

Being one of the newer members here at Dgrin, it makes me unhappy to hear that some older members wish I, along with others, weren't here. I've heard it multiple times, "Theres too many people now, its just not the same great community it used to be."
*I* will never say or think that way. The more the merrier and the less like a clique the environment is. That is why (IMHO) Andy needs to step back from this baby he has created and let it grow outside of his personal control and preferences. His input with his own fresh photos and his comments unfettered from any actual filtering responsibility will benefit the community more as it grows. And grow it will.


You couldn't possibly expect a place this great to stay unpopulated. This is the best photography forum I've ever come across. I'm glad it is where it is, and I hope to see it flourish more and more in time.

This grinners happy, and I haven't been selected for the top ten challenge photos once. :D

Sorry for the rant, I just feel like there is a lack of appreciation.
Rants are fine but if any of the above was aimed at me you are ranting in the wrong direction. :beer

[ginger_55]

I don't know where this is going, and I don't know what would work. But the phrase "be careful what you wish for" just came to mind.

g

[FreeUps]

Actually Charles, you are exactly the reason for that post. A duel! :duel

Hehe jk. None of the above was for you Charles. Cheers back at ya. :beer

Ginger, I dont follow on the "be careful what you wish for". Is that in regards to this place being overpopulated? I'm slowing down as the clock strikes 2 am. :twitch

Wow, we have a smily for every emotion out there.

Marshall

[happysnapper]

From a very new member to this web site, I am amazed that such a fantastic forum is so 'underpopulated', and I am equally amazed that there may be people who think it is 'overpopulated.'

In my opinion 28 entries in a web based digital photography challenge which offers such high quality as dgrin does, is not many at all. And I can see dgrin only growing (as it is so damn good).

I say, share the word, tell more people, so we all can keep challenged and learning.

And Andy, you do a super job, Thanks. And Snapapple, thanks too for your input for challenge 23.

Cheers
Yvette

[Head in the Clouds]

Also a very new member, i love this site.

i see the challenges as just that, a challenge, not necessarily a contest with huge prizes at stake! they challenge me to get outside, discover, play, learn, meet people, get outside my comfort zone (i walked into an antinque jewellers and asked if i could take photos of their oldest fob watch! - this is VERY outside my comfort zone!) and TO HAVE FUN!

i'm challenged to do my best, i'm up against myself, not anybody else.

My shot didn't get chosen as a finalist, but that doesn't matter. i know i posted the best photo i took during the challenge period and the shot was true to what i intended to capture artistically. that's the whole idea of the excersise.

this site has many wonderful, artistic and talented photographers: old, young, experienced, inexperienced, knowledgeable, and those still learning ..... and that (at least i thought so) was what this site was all about ....... sharing our mutual love for photography, in an effort for ALL of us to improve.

i respect each and every one of the photographs entered in this site, in the challenge/s and those chosen as finalists. each photograph is an expression of the vision of the photographer and an indication of how well they capture that vision. to me this makes every photograph worthy of respect.

I find that those who have stated that they don't understand why some photos were chosen over others, or their own, to be incredibly disrespectful to those who were chosen.

Photography is subjective. I like things that others dont. Others like things that I don't. Its human nature.

We are lucky enough to have a challenge host willing to volunteer his time and effort to provide feedback on hundreds of photographs. Personally, I am extremely thankful for any second Andy spends considering the merits of one of my shots, and look forward to his comments in the threads.

and as far as this site being 'overpopulated'.... - it is a WORLD WIDE web site. Take advantage of that. From the comfort of our homes we can take a tour of the streets of Manhatten, to the Sydney Opera House, to the Underground, over to Iraq and now Jerusalem! Embrace the global village ......

AND HAVE FUN WITH PHOTOGRAPHY!!!!!

getting off the soap box now........

Kate.

[Andy]

the votiing capability of the site doesn't allow more than 10 choices. somehow, you've got to get from the total number of entries (20-30+) down to 10.

I want more critique not less. Let it rip. Pick on every detail. Heck yes!! That will help all of us become better.


*I* will never say or think that way. The more the merrier and the less like a clique the environment is. That is why (IMHO) Andy needs to step back from this baby he has created and let it grow outside of his personal control and preferences. His input with his own fresh photos and his comments unfettered from any actual filtering responsibility will benefit the community more as it grows. And grow it will.


Rants are fine but if any of the above was aimed at me you are ranting in the wrong direction. :beer

[ginger_55]

No FreeUps. Over population has not occurred to me, except when you, or anyone else mentions it.

I do miss the old crowd, but the new is good, too. I think some of us have different "issues" than others.

I have stated mine, as much as a could in a "me" level of feelings (whining) as opposed to a "you" level of feelings (accusatory). My mention of new people only referred to you, them, whoever as good photographers, I think.

My issues are more at the level of what can we do to alleviate the hurt that I feel and others seem to be expressing in different ways.

Since you are being straight, I will be straight. I don't know all the names that have come in, but I do not resent you, and all the other new people, in any way. I don't know you well enough,:D

I do worry that too many cooks whining and carrying on could bring on some action on the part of our benevolent leader that would not be beneficial in the long run.

I just woke up after 3 hrs sleep, not blamed on you at all, we have been babysitting a neighbor's child since 5 AM. Don't know if I answered you..

g

I would hope that everyone, or most, hold back on acting until the dust has settled. We need to clearly see the road ahead. And make some headway on addressing the pain that people are feeling.

Join in.

[cmr164]

the votiing capability of the site doesn't allow more than 10 choices. somehow, you've got to get from the total number of entries (20-30+) down to 10.
2 Stage voting takes care of that. Twenty-eight entries breaks into 3 polls of 9/9/10 each, while 16 entries breaks into 8/8. The 2 or more finalists go into a runoff and the whole thing builds excitement. If/when we get to 100 entries we can find a way around that. The 10 choice limit is a strawman argument.

I really would like you to see your time and opinions be more visible not less and that your skills and knowlege be in the comments section without people 'knowing' that they need your aproval to continue to the next stage.
:deal

[Andy]

2 Stage voting takes care of that. Twenty-eight entries breaks into 3 polls of 9/9/10 each, while 16 entries breaks into 8/8. The 2 or more finalists go into a runoff and the whole thing builds excitement. If/when we get to 100 entries we can find a way around that. The 10 choice limit is a strawman argument.

I really would like you to see your time and opinions be more visible not less and that your skills and knowlege be in the comments section without people 'knowing' that they need your aproval to continue to the next stage.
:deal

sure, we could have multiple polls .. but even the mere act of setting up the voting thread takes about 1/2 hour of my time .. so multiply that times 4 (3 polls plus the finals) and you have 2 hours a fortnight of my time. i simply don't have that luxury, and as of 9:55 a.m. tuesday october 19, baldy still isn't paying me to do this :lol3

[Sandy]

Andy, this is a great site and I agree there is an opportunity here to perfect ones photography skills. I always feel challenged when I see the entries and the fine work that is presented. I also noticed how much the enties have improved over time. Due to my participation on this site, some of the photos I took during a challenge came to the attention of a few local groups who may include them in their publications. I gave up participating for a while due to a new endeavor and dealing with the old dog, but now I have come back for more and I want to say thank you again.
Sandy


to participate, or not participate, that's everyone's choice. it's a shame if one doesn't participate imo, to miss out on the opportunity to learn and grow! the idea of the challenges, is to get focused on a theme for a fortnight ... and to concentrate on some photographic skills that you may learn during the two-week period. read the articles and links that i provide in the challenge setup, i work hard to find and provide some good material for everyone to hopefully learn something from.

regarding the judging - and finalists - we are limited to max of 10 finalists, and we now have the previoius winner judging along with me. dunno how much more i can do on that. :dunno

[mercphoto]

If the negative critique is too much to handle, then competetive photography is not the route to take - I.E. Dgrin photo challenges.. It shouldn't even be competetive, but to many of us it is.

I do not understand how you can have a CHALLENGE, whose entire point is to adorn a winner, and not have it be competitive. This is not the CRITIQUE thread, its the CHALLENGE thread. Both types of threads have their place, of course. But a challenge thread not being competitive is simply not possible.

I agree with your first statement that if one cannot handle negative comments about their photos then competitive photography is probably not an endeavor they will find much benefit in participating in.

Being one of the newer members here at Dgrin, it makes me unhappy to hear that some older members wish I, along with others, weren't here. I've heard it multiple times, "Theres too many people now, its just not the same great community it used to be."

I would not be one of those people. More is better.

Sorry for the rant, I just feel like there is a lack of appreciation.

And if that is so, you have every right to rant about it.

[snapapple]

I don't know where this is going, and I don't know what would work. But the phrase "be careful what you wish for" just came to mind.

g

I agree with that. This is a wonderful site. If we change too much, we could end up being just like all the others. The ones we passed over to join dGrin. :D

[Andy]

I agree with that. This is a wonderful site. If we change too much, we could end up being just like all the others. The ones we passed over to join dGrin. :D

so, i'm trying. i decided to try and point out what i felt were really good examples of shots for the challenge, ch 22. i'll try and do the same going forward.

[snapapple]

I was not allowed to participate in this challenge because I was a guest judge. Oh boy, that was hard on me. I finally had the opportunity to get out of town and shoot some new stuff too. Why couldn't it have been any other week? So, I participated anyway. I kept the topic in mind and shot lots of pictures while in San Francisco. (They are in a San Francisco thread under Urban, Street and Architecture.)

I was happy with my results in the night shot department and thought they fit the theme as, "Night Time." If I could have entered, I would have entered one of them. I will never know if they would have made the finals. Were they really on point? I've seen some great shots not make it because they were not really on point. Naturally, my judgment is skewed because they are mine. I'd be wondering now, why I didn't make the cut. **The point is, it doesn't matter!** I know they are good photographs. And, *way* good for me. Maybe not the best for Andy or someone else, but certainly great for me. I challenged myself and I am a winner for it.

During the challenge, I spent a lot of time looking at all the individual critique threads. I made some comments where I thought I could be helpful, but kept a low profile because of my duty to be impartial. I want everyone to know I took my job seriously and spent a great deal of time on it. I made a sacrifice to not be able to enter. I can now appreciate what Andy does so much more - and feel for him when it seems he's not appreciated.

If your shot didn't make the cut, it doesn't mean it's not good. Look carefully at your shot and then at the finalists. Try (it's hard) to be objective. Is your shot a well composed, well executed photograph? Is it clear, sharp, good focus, good light? Does it engage the viewer? Can the viewer tell the "theme" just by looking at it? Can you visualize it on a gallery wall? Do you really like it? If so, it's good. You shouldn't need anyone to tell you that.

Frame your shot, hang it on your wall, show it off to friends, sell it. Make yourself a winner. If you fell short of your own expectations, try again. Keep shooting! With digital, it's free! Keep learning. Keep entering. Enter other contests in your community or on the net. The more you enter, the more chances you have for recognition. Enjoy yourself. Love what you are doing.

Thank you for giving me this opportunity to participate in a challenge on another level. I wish you all the same opportunity in the future.

[Stan]

I agree with that. This is a wonderful site. If we change too much, we could end up being just like all the others. The ones we passed over to join dGrin. :D


I agree I love the site. But not so long ago Andy was begging for more participation and voting in the challenge. As the site has grown over the summer, so the nature of the site will change, the greater the input from the members, the more threads that need to be read, the longer one spends on keeping up with the site, and the less personal the site becomes and the more like those other sites it becomes. To succeed the site has to grow, and as it grows new members become the regular contributors in place of those who leave or contribute less frequently

sure, we could have multiple polls .. but even the mere act of setting up the voting thread takes about 1/2 hour of my time .. so multiply that times 4 (3 polls plus the finals) and you have 2 hours a fortnight of my time. i simply don't have that luxury, and as of 9:55 a.m. tuesday october 19, baldy still isn't paying me to do this

You could always charge a membership fee to the site or an entry fee for the challenge :rofl
Good luck with the pay rise :clap

[photocat]

I was ready for bed, but decided to chime in for 5 minutes.
The first thing I read is that Andy needs more time for other things.
I can understand that. It is not valuated what volunteers put in, and how putting in can be tiring at times. I did not hear him (you) say Andy that you will quit the board, just that critiquing is to much.
I have found for myself that since I have enlisted on this site, that i have really tried to outdo myself. I kept my camera on automatic all the time. so I did not have to really think.
This afternoon, I bought a pumpkin, and set it up on my kitchen table with a little tripod so I could test out my camera. I did it on MANUAL!!!!.
What I am trying to say is that the challenge reaches further then be the best. If I am given a challenge, it is good for me to stick to it and try to find a picture that I can enter. That is new for me. Usually I picked some picture that I already had, without really doing something useful.
I will take landscapes over the weekend, not because i want to be a finalist, or want to be the best, no, I will do it because I know I will learn from it.
In watching the others on the board I have seen such good work in the four days I am on, that it inspires me to stretch myself to a new level.
I have learned more in the last four days then in the two years before.
I think it is a nice thing that we get comments on our photographs not only from masters like Andy, but also from others, because every comment I get is valuable. We can learn a lot from each other.
How many places like this board do we have, where we can get an honest opinion, and share and learn and enjoy?
This is a fun site, and a very good one. I like it here. If we all stop entering challenges because Andy would or could not comment (with all the respect I do have for you Andy), or if we would stop sharing, we will also stop learning. The sharing is what matters. Four cents from a newbie

[FreeUps]

I'm glad this has somewhat sorted itself out. We shouldn't be unhappy with the way this place is run. Lets everyone enjoy the way it is while its still that way, cause tomorrow it will only change even more. This is an awesome community that grows more everyday.

Snapapple, in regards to your comment about "being just like the rest of them", thats not exactly a bad thing. If this place was to one day hold challenges with 200 plus entries, then you can sit back and say that you were one of the originals to be here. Is it that bad of a feeling? If you don't win challenges because of the high number of entries, well, that just means that this site now houses more great photographers than it did the day before. This sounds like a good thing as well.

As long as the small community that 'once was' never leaves the forum, well, then everyone will always be here, plus some. Simple as that. Growth doesn't have to be a bad thing. You're still here, your past community is still here, and now more people can be a part of that as time progresses.

My issues are more at the level of what can we do to alleviate the hurt that I feel and others seem to be expressing in different ways.

Ginger, just look at it as a fun thing. If you are feeling hurt its no ones fault but your own. No one has done anything to hurt you. Your photo wasn't picked for a top ten list, who cares, neither was mine. Do you have any idea how long it took me to build the set for mine? I looked at the time challenge differently than our judges did, therefore mine wasnt selected. I'll do the same next time. This doesn't have to be something that will 'hurt' you in the end. If it does simply becuase you dont win, then entering the challenge is just setting yourself up for letdown later on.

We all spent time on our photos. You didn't spend anymore time on yours than others did on theirs. AND LOOK AT WHAT YOU CAME OUT WITH, a photo that you love! What more do you need?? Be happy with it!

[FreeUps]

BTW Snapapple

I just read your above post. Well said. I fully agree :deal