Andy (canon) vs Harry (nikon).....what to do, what to do?

[morrisphotography2003]

ok I have a minor problem. My wife and I are getting ready to open up shop and I am thinking of changing to Nikon's (D2X) but before I do I would like everyones thoughts on the D2X -vs- the Canon D5. The problem that I will face with the change from Canon to Nikon is buying all new lenses.
The cost of the D2X is not the issue, just what is the better choice
Bob.

[Andy]

Have you seen Harry's photos? :lol3 Nikon is sweet. So's Canon. In the end, you have to choose. There's no *better* camera - only better photographers.

The two brands have their strengths and weaknesses. You'd have to tell us a lot more about what you will shoot, where, why, how, under what circumstances, what your preferences are, what focals you like, low ISO, high ISO, studio, landscape, portraits, sports, wildlife, more.

And still, it's YOUR choice :D

Clear as mud?

pssst! buy canon!

























:hide

[gluwater]

You do realize you have just opened up Pandoras Box don't you.

[DanielB]

You do realize you have just opened up Pandoras Box don't you.

:rofl i'm afraid i hvae to agree, when you put
Canon(andy) vs. Nikon (harry) thers going to be the battle of the gods....


small taste of whats to come =====>:humungus

[morrisphotography2003]

You do realize you have just opened up Pandoras Box don't you.
Yes I do.
We have used Canon for the last five years and I don't know if we should make the change or not.

[Andy]

:rofl i'm afraid i hvae to agree, when you put
Canon(andy) vs. Nikon (harry) thers going to be the battle of the gods....


small taste of whats to come =====>:humungus

We'll settle it over a rack of ribs. Each.

[DanielB]

We'll settle it over a rack of ribs. Each.

come on down to Kansas City,

and i'll treat you fine gentlemen to Jack Stack :eat


:wink

[morrisphotography2003]

Have you seen Harry's photos? :lol3 Nikon is sweet. So's Canon. In the end, you have to choose. There's no *better* camera - only better photographers.

The two brands have their strengths and weaknesses. You'd have to tell us a lot more about what you will shoot, where, why, how, under what circumstances, what your preferences are, what focals you like, low ISO, high ISO, studio, landscape, portraits, sports, wildlife, more.

And still, it's YOUR choice :D

We are needing a camera that is the most versatile and is the best choice for under $6,000.00
My wife does weddings and studio photography and I do sports, weddings, studio and nature. So you see that we need one that is best for all. In the next year we plan to purchase a hasselblad for the shop, more money but it will be worth it.
Bob.

[Andy]

a camera


Here's a flaw: you can't be in business with only ONE camera - you need to be thinking of TWO cameras. So, a 5D and 20D combo. Or a D2X/D200 and a D50 combo.

Cameras break. Clients won't wait.

[wxwax]

come on down to Kansas City,
and i'll treat you fine gentlemen to Jack Stack :eat
:wink
Pancakes? :lol3

Choosing between the two cameras is a tough deal. I would have thought your investment in Canon glass would have swayed you to the 5D. The professional build quality of the D2X is appealing.

Obviously, it will come down to getting your hands on each and seeing which better complements you. They both seem to be excellent machines.

[morrisphotography2003]

come on down to Kansas City,

and i'll treat you fine gentlemen to Jack Stack :eat


:wink
Only if you throw in a BIG cheesecake (THE WHOLE THING AND NOT ONE OF THOSE LITTLE SLICES:eat) from down at the plaza and then we can all put back some Blvd. brew.
Yes I love going to Kansas City.

[DanielB]

lol. ahh, but the Cheesecake factory? those are everywhere. you want good Kansas CIty food get some BBQ, like Arthur Bryants, or Jack's Stack, or KC masterpiece, or Zardas:eat

[4labs]

Just my 2 cents reguarding the D2x, you need great glass to go with it. It also will expose any shooting weakness you have. If you don't nail exposure you will be kicking yourself for spending the money. I never shot with Canon so I can't give an opinion there.

[Harryb]

ok I have a minor problem. My wife and I are getting ready to open up shop and I am thinking of changing to Nikon's (D2X) but before I do I would like everyones thoughts on the D2X -vs- the Canon D5. The problem that I will face with the change from Canon to Nikon is buying all new lenses.
The cost of the D2X is not the issue, just what is the better choice
Bob.

Hey Bob,

:agree with Andy. Its a win-win proposition. My D2X arrives tomorrow so I don't have any hands on experience with it yet. I have a friend who shoots with the D2X and he loves it for wildlife and landscape shots. He also earns $ doing portraits and inside low light shots. he is seriously considering getting a 5D for that work because of the low noise levels of the 5D. The D2X's major weakness is its noise levels at higher ISOs.

Thats not a problem for me because I shoot usually between ISO 200-500 for my wildlife shots. If I was doing mostly low light high ISO shots I would probably switch to Canon or look at the Nikon D200. If I had a major investment in Canon glass I would stay with Canon.

[morrisphotography2003]

lol. ahh, but the Cheesecake factory? those are everywhere. you want good Kansas CIty food get some BBQ, like Arthur Bryants, or Jack's Stack, or KC masterpiece, or Zardas:eat

the nearest one to us is Chicago for the factory, as for ribs yes KC masterpiece has great ribs, I can't remember the name of it but down at the track there is another rib place it might be Arthur Bryants but I am not sure but that place has some realy great ribs also.
Bob.

[David_S85]

May brings the Big Shootout (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=25634). Some will be using Canon gear, while others will be shooting with Nikon (plus probably a few other assorted brands too). Those who return from the trip alive will be the winners, and the photos will be displayed proudly in the Gallery. The losing brand team will be left somewhere in Zion, desperately hunting for their way out. :deal

A very good omen for the Canon team is the nearby burb of Canonville, just east of Bryce. However, there is no corresponding Nikontown. Too bad for them, huh? Now, there is a NikeTown store in Vegas, but that doesn't count. :nah

[David_S85]

...the nearest one to us is Chicago for the factory.... Bob.


:ear You talking about Eli's Cheesecake? :thumb

[DanielB]

okay, i'm done hijacking this thread with my mad KC BBQ raves.:D

[Andy]

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=230691#post230691


:evil

[morrisphotography2003]

Hey Bob,

:agree with Andy. Its a win-win proposition. My D2X arrives tomorrow so I don't have any hands on experience with it yet. I have a friend who shoots with the D2X and he loves it for wildlife and landscape shots. He also earns $ doing portraits and inside low light shots. he is seriously considering getting a 5D for that work because of the low noise levels of the 5D. The D2X's major weakness is its noise levels at higher ISOs.

Thats not a problem for me because I shoot usually between ISO 200-500 for my wildlife shots. If I was doing mostly low light high ISO shots I would probably switch to Canon or look at the Nikon D200. If I had a major investment in Canon glass I would stay with Canon.
Thank you for your input, I will now ponder on what to do because along with the camera we are putting another $9,000 into more lenses.

[Andy]

Pancakes? :lol3


Sid, you need to get out more :lol3

http://jackstackbbq.com/default.asp?sid=GOOGLE&eid=GL0013

http://jackstackbbq.com/images/250/PKLP0412.jpg

[Viking]

get canon... :thumb

[Harryb]

get canon... :thumb

I think they have ointments available if you get canon. Terrible affliction.

[pathfinder]

Here's a flaw: you can't be in business with only ONE camera - you need to be thinking of TWO cameras. So, a 5D and 20D combo. Or a D2X/D200 and a D50 combo.

Cameras break. Clients won't wait.

I agree with Andy - I can't imagine trying to shoot professionally with only one body. I think you need at LEAST two bodies, and three is better if you can swing it. One body wide zoom, one body normal prime, and one long zoom - ya just can't beat redundancy.:thumb ( I used two bodies to shoot my niece's wedding, and I don't think I could have done it with just one body )

Canon or Nikon - whichever, but I would not go into the photography business where, if one camera body goes down, I'm out of business.

And if there are two shooters ( you and your wife ) then you definitely need more than one body, for sure.:thumb

How about a 1DsMkll in lieu of the Hasselblad???:):

[gluwater]

I think they have ointments available if you get canon. Terrible affliction.

This coming from the man that just said he would switch to Canon. Isn't that against the Nikon code of Ethics they have you sign when you buy your first Nikon?

I would say look at examples of work done with both camera systems. Also go to a camera shop, pick up and hold in your hands each and figure out which one feels right to both of you.

So how about all you Dgrinners out there with 5D's and D2X's post picks or links to some galleries of your own so we can see a comparison. I know there aren't too many Dgrinners with a D2X so maybe check out NikonCafe (www.nikoncafe.com) for some good Nikon shots. If you post picks please post Exif and the lens used so we can compare apples to apples. Hope this helps.

[Justiceiro]

Sorry to go off topic, but if you are looking at spending 15 large (6 for the body and 9 for the glass), why don't you go ahead and get a used Hasselblad with a used digital back now?

After all, this is going to be the primary capital that your capital investment in the biz produces, and besides, you can write it off.

[Matthew Saville]

Bob, in all honesty it just comes down to whichever camera jives best with your own personal habits, your mental patterns and the way you think.

If you are considering getting many thousands of dollars into a system, then seriously, the best thing you can do is to go down to your local shop, and rent a Nikon, a Canon, or whichever camera catches your eye, for a weekend. Take them out, shoot with them equally. Maybe rent them for a whole week, maybe rent them a few weekends in a row, but this is the BEST way to decide which camera to buy. All the internet advice in the world is no help if you don't hold the camera first. Sure, the different users here can offer bits of advice concerning specific, minor things to watch out for. In my case I am addicted to Nikon's joypad, especially for AF point selection, no matter how sweet Canon's thumbwheel is. But, Canon's thumbwheel IS sweet, and many are addicted to IT instead.

But like I said, the best thing to do is to do some serious time with all the models you're thinking of buying. It will be worth the money.

-Matt-

[Andy]

Bob, in all honesty it just comes down to whichever camera jives best with your own personal habits, your mental patterns and the way you think.

If you are considering getting many thousands of dollars into a system, then seriously, the best thing you can do is to go down to your local shop, and rent a Nikon, a Canon, or whichever camera catches your eye, for a weekend. Take them out, shoot with them equally. Maybe rent them for a whole week, maybe rent them a few weekends in a row, but this is the BEST way to decide which camera to buy. All the internet advice in the world is no help if you don't hold the camera first. Sure, the different users here can offer bits of advice concerning specific, minor things to watch out for. In my case I am addicted to Nikon's joypad, especially for AF point selection, no matter how sweet Canon's thumbwheel is. But, Canon's thumbwheel IS sweet, and many are addicted to IT instead.

But like I said, the best thing to do is to do some serious time with all the models you're thinking of buying. It will be worth the money.

-Matt-

All kidding aside (and YES folks, there's some FUN canon is better TO BE had around here... Great post, Matthew!

[leebase]

Don't know Harry -- but Andy shooting ANYTHING does not mean anything about what I'd get from that equipment. What Andy got out of his Sony F828 blows away what I get with my Canon 20D.

It's foolish to make one's decision on gear based on the great photos someone else gets with it. I don't know how many times someone sees a great shot taken from a certain lens and then people say "I gotta get me that lens".

I've seen shots with the kit lens that are awesome....doesn't mean it's a "great lens".

Nikon and Canon leap frog each other. Nikon was first out with serious digital -- then Canon took the lead for awhile. Now I'd say there's pretty much parity.

The D200 _may_ be better than the 20D -- but it's much more expensive. The 5D is "full frame" -- the D2X is a "pro body".

I am curious as to why you are comparing the D2X vs. the 5D. The D2X is Nikon's top of the line pro body. I would think one of the two Canon 1D models would be the cameras to choose from. The 1DMkII for the speed and for less money (and less crop) than the D2X, or the 1DsMkII is you want full frame and have the money to spend.

If the Nikon's "high speed crop" mode has your fancy....then pick up the 5D and the 20D Canon's for about the same price combined. The 20D for "reach", the 5D for full frame.

If you have good Canon glass, there's little reason to switch.....the same would be true if you had a huge investment in Nikon glass.

Ergonomics? It won't mean a hill of beans what Andy thinks about how this or that camera feels in his hands, or how intuitive he thinks the controls are. You have to decide by holding the cameras in YOUR hands.

The better way to go about this is to figure out "what do I shoot and what are the important camera features that support what I shoot". Then go about selecting a camera system based on your needs.

If you are mostly an "available light" shooter, then it won't matter to you if Nikon's flash system is superior. If you shoot flash all the time, then you might (and I say might) go with Nikon's.

If you shoot wide a lot, or print very large, then a full frame sensor with lots of megapixels may be more important to you. As might the availability of tilt shift lenses.

If you are a birder, the crop mode cameras might be extra appealing as they make those long expensive lenses "reach" further.

I swear, Andy can outshoot me with a disposable film camera -- so I'm not too concerned about his choices -- not just because they are his choices.

Lee

[Harryb]

Bob, in all honesty it just comes down to whichever camera jives best with your own personal habits, your mental patterns and the way you think.

If you are considering getting many thousands of dollars into a system, then seriously, the best thing you can do is to go down to your local shop, and rent a Nikon, a Canon, or whichever camera catches your eye, for a weekend. Take them out, shoot with them equally. Maybe rent them for a whole week, maybe rent them a few weekends in a row, but this is the BEST way to decide which camera to buy. All the internet advice in the world is no help if you don't hold the camera first. Sure, the different users here can offer bits of advice concerning specific, minor things to watch out for. In my case I am addicted to Nikon's joypad, especially for AF point selection, no matter how sweet Canon's thumbwheel is. But, Canon's thumbwheel IS sweet, and many are addicted to IT instead.

But like I said, the best thing to do is to do some serious time with all the models you're thinking of buying. It will be worth the money.

-Matt-

Ahhh!!! The voice of reason. Excellent suggestion Matt.
I would follow your advice. canon sucks. Nikon rules. Its good to see we can discuss it w/o partianship.

[Andy]

Ahhh!!! The voice of reason. Excellent suggestion Matt.
I would follow your advice. canon sucks. Nikon rules. Its good to see we can discuss it w/o partianship.

How Right You Are, Old Man (http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/15761325-L-1.jpg)

[David_S85]

http://www.dgrin.davidwattsphotography.com/buy_canon.jpg

[Matthew Saville]

Hahahahah!

At the entrance to the parking lot of my local pro shop, which is I think all Canon shooters, there's a sign that says "Parking for _______ only" with a big blank for them to obviously put their company logo or something. I'm DYING to put a big fat NIKON sticker there, it would be hilarious!


But seriously folks! Andy and everyone else is right. We know how to poke fun, but we also know how to be serious. We all know that at the end of the day, brand accounts for a miniscule aspect of your captured vision. I've always said, my most essential tools are my vision, my alarm clock, my tripod, and my camera, in that order.

I don't hide it- I have a Nikon. But you know what? I don't necessarily "prefer" it over the 20D or the 350D which I have also shot with many times. I can adapt to the controls rather quickly, and it is just another tool. I simply jive better with the Nikon controls, I think. But I've always said, if I had buckets of money I'd go out and buy ALL the systems and then pick which one is the best. I'm positive I'd end up with a 5D and a 135mm f/2 (ooooohhhhh) for weddings, and I highly doubt I'd be able to part with a D2X if I were to take it out birding...

Personally the camera that best fits my bill is the D200. If the 30D were to come out with a few cool things like spot metering, dedicated button MLU, and maybe some attempt at weather sealing, I'd definitely think about it. It will most likely cost less than the D200. And admittedly, one of the MOST USEFUL pieces of equipment I posess is Canon. In all honesty, I have never seen ANY Nikon competition whatsoever to this wonderful piece of equipment...












http://matthewsaville.smugmug.com/photos/52884501-M.jpg

Wooohoooohohohohehehehe!

-Matt-

[wholenewlight]

Maybe rent them for a whole week, maybe rent them a few weekends in a row, but this is the BEST way to decide which camera to buy. All the internet advice in the world is no help if you don't hold the camera

But like I said, the best thing to do is to do some serious time with all the models you're thinking of buying. It will be worth the money.

-Matt-

Great idea. Before Bob potentially changes camera brands, costing thousands - rental is the right plan. Huge decision.

Calumet has supplied me rental gear at mostly reasonably fees for a few years.

calumetphoto.com

[JimM]

I think you should switch to Nikon... everyone should and flood the market with great used Canon equipment for me to buy cheap!!!

I know what horse I'll keep in this race.

[allan]

Pancakes? :lol3

Choosing between the two cameras is a tough deal. I would have thought your investment in Canon glass would have swayed you to the 5D. The professional build quality of the D2X is appealing.

Obviously, it will come down to getting your hands on each and seeing which better complements you. They both seem to be excellent machines.

If you have the glass... why not think 1D Mark II N & a 20D and change to spare??!!!

[chrisjlee]

come on down to Kansas City,

and i'll treat you fine gentlemen to Jack Stack :eat


:wink

That sounds gross when divorced of its context.

[chrisjlee]

The losing brand team will be left somewhere in Zion, desperately hunting for their way out. :deal
:nah

If you put it that way. I wouldn't mind staying. It sounds like a photographers playground out there.

[DanielB]

That sounds gross when divorced of its context.


:rofl



i'm 14 and i didn't even think of it that way..... whats wrong with me?:scratch



:lol3

[Seymore]

Bob... not knowing if this will make much difference to you, but Zeiss is going to make lenses for Nikon F-mount cameras.

http://www.zeiss.de/c12567a8003b58b9/Contents-Frame/d10916e347d1265ac12570f8003e3839

Just something to consider...

[gus]

Come on 20D owners ...post some ISO 1600 & ISO 3200 stuff so we can let the world see how these kelloggs nikon flake specials really start to flounder when the heat is on.

[Seymore]

Come on 20D owners ...post some ISO 1600 & ISO 3200 stuff so we can let the world see how these kelloggs nikon flake specials really start to flounder when the heat is on.
Hey HUMMIE... dat's not a nice thing to say!!! :cry

I luv U man!!! :lust :D :rolleyes


:fish
:wink

[gus]

Hey HUMMIE... dat's not a nice thing to say!!! :cry

I luv U man!!! :lust :D :rolleyes



:fish
:wink



'If the shoe fits mate'....its that simple.

[Justiceiro]

Bob... not knowing if this will make much difference to you, but Zeiss is going to make lenses for Nikon F-mount cameras.

http://www.zeiss.de/c12567a8003b58b9/Contents-Frame/d10916e347d1265ac12570f8003e3839

Just something to consider...


Canon doesn't need Zeiss. They have L glass.

[bfjr]

Come on 20D owners ...post some ISO 1600 & ISO 3200 stuff so we can let the world see how these kelloggs nikon flake specials really start to flounder when the heat is on.

Oh I don't know Gus, think you might need to put another shrimp on the barbe and chill a bit.

Bam!! Nikon at 1600
http://bfjr.smugmug.com/photos/52979499-O.jpg

[bfjr]

Canon doesn't need Zeiss. They have L glass.

And Oh yeah another one of those Canon Urban Legends :rofl :lol4 :lol :wink

[gus]

Oh I don't know Gus, think you might need to put another shrimp on the barbe and chill a bit.

Bam!! Nikon at 1600


Matie...dont give me ammo please. Thats got more noise than a deep purple concert :uhoh

What have you got at 3200 to seal the job ?

[Seymore]

Matie...dont give me ammo please. Thats got more noise than a deep purple concert :uhoh

What have you got at 3200 to seal the job ?
Hey Hummie... I hear alot of talk, but no images from you. So?... :dunno :scratch (BTW, I don't shoot @ 1600ISO. So, don't ask for those from me.)

[gus]

Hey Hummie... I hear alot of talk, but no images from you. So?... :dunno :scratch (BTW, I don't shoot @ 1600ISO. So, don't ask for those from me.)

We get 300+ days a year of full sun here.

If i have my CP on the 400 f/5.6 very late in the arvo i will use ISO400 to keep it at 1/1000 on surfers.

I gave up on bands as my ears cant hack it anymore.

Date Taken:2005-06-24 15:49:12Date Modified:2005-06-25 21:06:17Make:CanonModel: Canon EOS 20D Size: 3504x2336 Bytes: 3979325 Aperture: f/4.5 ISO: 1600 Focal Length: 135mm Exposure Time: 0.004s (1/250)Flash:Flash did not fire, compulsory flash modeExposure Program:Aperture priorityExposure Bias:-1

No post processing at all...not even a sharpen

http://wadjelaphotography.smugmug.com/photos/26824424-M.jpg

[Harryb]

Golly Gus that is terrible. Here in the states we have had yellow fever licked for years now. :rofl

[Andy]

Come on 20D owners ...post some ISO 1600 & ISO 3200 stuff so we can let the world see how these kelloggs nikon flake specials really start to flounder when the heat is on.


Exactly, my Ozzie friend :thumb (http://dgrin.smugmug.com/gallery/1134620)

[JimM]

Not my best shot ever, used the 200 f/2.8
No Post processing, ISO 3200.
http://jimmitte.smugmug.com/photos/49101810-L.jpg

EXIF HEREhttp://jimmitte.smugmug.com/photos/newexif.mg?ImageID=49101810

[Harryb]

Ho hum, Canon high ISO shots. Jeez if you had a decent flash you wouldn't need those high ISOs.

If you had a camera that could catch the action you could get a series of action shots.

http://behret.smugmug.com/photos/24204906-O.jpg

http://behret.smugmug.com/photos/24204910-O.jpg

http://behret.smugmug.com/photos/24204914-O.jpg

http://behret.smugmug.com/photos/24204917-O.jpg

http://behret.smugmug.com/photos/24204918-O.jpg

http://behret.smugmug.com/photos/24204927-O.jpg

I left out the other 6 shots in this sequence.

[rutt]

If you had a camera that could catch the action you could get a series of action shots.
Oh, yeah? Sez, you. Canon 1DmkII will take on all comers in this department.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5110775-M.jpghttp://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5110828-M.jpghttp://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5110838-M.jpg

[Thusie]

Way To Go Rutt!!!!!

[John Mueller]

:hotfood:bread:binge:freaky:lurk:beer

:deadhorse:lift:ear

Better than watching TV

[bfjr]

Very Nice Rutt, indeed :thumb
however predictable and pretty easily to anticapte. Try a fast not so predictable instance :uhoh

http://bfjr.smugmug.com/photos/40849417-L.jpg


http://bfjr.smugmug.com/photos/41960544-L.jpg

I think Nikon will deliver the final blow, while the Canon crew is using there calculators to determine ............ oh never mind it's already happened :rofl :lol4 :lol
http://bfjr.smugmug.com/photos/35603460-L.jpg

[John Mueller]

Ok Ben,not so predictable :D
and he is much smaller

http://MHJ.smugmug.com/photos/52521117-M.jpg

http://MHJ.smugmug.com/photos/52521213-M.jpg

[morrisphotography2003]

ok some of the shots that I have taken with my Canon DReb.
1. ISO 400

2. ISO 800 (no flash, you just have to love the new lights)

3. ISO 1600 (no flash)
http://www.morrisphotography2003.smugmug.com/photos/51187554-M-1.jpghttp://morrisphotography2003.smugmug.com/photos/50065630-M-1.jpghttp://morrisphotography2003.smugmug.com/photos/51467491-M-3.jpg

[gus]

Come on harry & ben....ISO 200 & 320 just aint gonna cut the mustard. God my Kodak CX4230 (http://de.shoppydoo.com/images/products/10022/Kodak_EasyShare%20CX4230_hi.jpg) can do that.

What have you got over ISO 3000 :wink

[gus]

Golly Gus that is terrible. Here in the states we have had yellow fever licked for years now. :rofl

Here i was thinking all day at work....just how will harry come back from that ?

:clap

[gus]

Not my best shot ever, used the 200 f/2.8
No Post processing, ISO 3200.
http://jimmitte.smugmug.com/photos/49101810-L.jpg

EXIF HEREhttp://jimmitte.smugmug.com/photos/newexif.mg?ImageID=49101810

OUTSTANDING DISPLAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap one more for rutt:clap ...no..no two more :clap :clap

[dragon300zx]

OUTSTANDING DISPLAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap one more for rutt:clap ...no..no two more :clap :clap

Rutt? You mean JimM right....

[ginger_55]

Maybe the Nikon only shoots Birds!

Rutt, damn good shots there!

Your CAnon can shoot everything, and anything!

ginger

[ginger_55]

http://gingerSnap.smugmug.com/photos/49717700-L.jpg

And we have the aquarium shots posted! On People...........3200.

[gus]

Rutt? You mean JimM right....

No..

[morrisphotography2003]

You do realize you have just opened up Pandoras Box don't you.

I did, I did, I did open up Pandoras Box.
Thank you for all the input, I am going to stick with what I know best.....................CANON.
I have used Canon for many years and realy love the photos that I have gotten from the Canon cameras.

Don't get me wrong, if I had the chance to play with Nikon's D2X I would do it in a heart beat.

So, I would like to take a moment to thank both Andy and his Canon and Harry and his Nikon for taking the debate on what camera is better to a new level.

Thank you Bob.

[Beezle]

Here is simulated ISO 6400. Shot ISO 1600 and -2 EV, the pushed back up.

http://www.nvxd.com/forum_source/ben-marbles-6400.jpg

Nikon D50.