pics in threads don't always come up

[motojedi]

Whenever I click on a thread, the attatchments don't always come up. Sometimes if hit the back button and back up a page and then go back to the thread, then they'll pop up. Sometimes not. I've never had this problem with ADVRider or any other site. :dunno

[pathfinder]

Whenever I click on a thread, the attatchments don't always come up. Sometimes if hit the back button and back up a page and then go back to the thread, then they'll pop up. Sometimes not. I've never had this problem with ADVRider or any other site. :dunno
I am having the same experience that pictures do not always display even tho the poster has included info about the picture....... and I see no URL for the picture either.

[cmr164]

Whenever I click on a thread, the attatchments don't always come up. Sometimes if hit the back button and back up a page and then go back to the thread, then they'll pop up. Sometimes not. I've never had this problem with ADVRider or any other site. :dunno Are you sure you mean attachments or could you mean links? Most of the image here are links and there could be an issue back on the server where the writer has the image.

The first example is a link:

http://www.iisc.com/dgrin/bosStreet01_s.jpg

And the next is the same pic but done as an attachment:


Got it? :)

So which ones are giving you trouble (and in which messages?) ?

[motojedi]

Your attatchment didn't show up. I've even had trouble with my own attatchments coming up when I go back to a thread I strarted.

[cmr164]

Your attatchment didn't show up. I've even had trouble with my own attatchments coming up when I go back to a thread I strarted.
I had one pic that was not coming up but I went back and made sure that was a link I had accidentally broken.

I see both my linked and attached images in this thread. Can you tell me which of your messages have attachements that you can not see?

If you have trouble getting the message #, click on your own logname and scroll down to "see all messages". In that list there are links that you can copy into a message as a pointer back.

[motojedi]

It appears to happen anytime the pic is an attatchment instead of a link. Instead of a picture , I just see a long rectangular box with nothing in it. But when I came back to this thread, both of your pics were viewable, the link and the attatched version. :dunno

[patch29]

This is interesting. I have experienced a similar problem on ADVrider, where I would go to a thread I was at a few minutes ago, there was a new post but I cannot see it unless I reload/refresh the page. My browser was caching the pages too aggressively. I have not had this problem here.

What OS and browser are you using? I use Mac OS X with Safari.

[motojedi]

This is interesting. I have experienced a similar problem on ADVrider, where I would go to a thread I was at a few minutes ago, there was a new post but I cannot see it unless I reload/refresh the page. My browser was caching the pages too aggressively. I have not had this problem here.

What OS and browser are you using? I use Mac OS X with Safari.


Same thing. Now this time when I came back to this thread, cmr164's attatched photo was not present.

[cmr164]

This is interesting. I have experienced a similar problem on ADVrider, where I would go to a thread I was at a few minutes ago, there was a new post but I cannot see it unless I reload/refresh the page. My browser was caching the pages too aggressively. I have not had this problem here.

What OS and browser are you using? I use Mac OS X with Safari. I am *NOT* having the problem with MacOSX and Firebird

[fish]

I am *NOT* having the problem with MacOSX and Firebird
I am *NOT* having the problem with XP and Nutscrape 7.1 :dunno

[patch29]

Same thing. Now this time when I came back to this thread, cmr164's attatched photo was not present.

I am using Safari version 1.0.1 (v85.6).

When I return to the site I usually go to new posts and hit the arrows to take me to the new posts/last post and the pages load fine. I have been doing that since I started using Safari at ADVrider and it usually works fine, if I just hit the thread link it will sometimes load what was in the cache. I will let you know if I have any problems. I have not had any problems seeing the thread right after I post to it either. :dunno

[wxwax]

In this (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=163) thread, one of Charles' attachments isn't showing up. See the image I'm attaching (if you can :rofl) On a prior occasion, his shot was there, but the original one wasn't. :scratch I'm on XP Pro and Firebird.

[cmr164]

In this (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=163) thread, one of Charles' attachments isn't showing up. See the image I'm attaching (if you can :rofl) On a prior occasion, his shot was there, but the original one wasn't. :scratch I'm on XP Pro and Firebird.
I am still seeing the original attachment. When I click on your "this" I think it is likely a caching issueand maybe not on your machine. Which ISPs are you guys using?

[wxwax]

Comcast cable modem. I went back, your attachment still isn't showing, for me. :dunno

[cmr164]

Comcast cable modem. I went back, your attachment still isn't showing, for me. :dunno
How about if you look at it directly in your browser? The URL is:
http://www.dgrin.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=72&stc=1

Then see if it shows in the thread?

[fish]

In this (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=163) thread, one of Charles' attachments isn't showing up. See the image I'm attaching (if you can :rofl) On a prior occasion, his shot was there, but the original one wasn't. :scratch I'm on XP Pro and Firebird.
Not a problem here. :dunno

[motojedi]

I just upgraded to Mac OSX 10.2.8 (I know 10.3 is out) and it didn't help any.

[fish]

I just upgraded to Mac OSX 10.2.8 (I know 10.3 is out) and it didn't help any.
moto, it's probably not your OS. What browser are you using?

[wxwax]

How about if you look at it directly in your browser? The URL is:
http://www.dgrin.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=72&stc=1

Then see if it shows in the thread? Sure, it shows up. And now it's in the thread as well.

[cmr164]

> Originally Posted by cmr164
> How about if you look at it directly in your browser? The URL is:
> http://www.dgrin.com/attachment.php...mentid=72&stc=1 (http://www.dgrin.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=72&stc=1)
>
> Then see if it shows in the thread?

Sure, it shows up. And now it's in the thread as well.
Which pretty much guarantees that it is a caching problem. Could be local to you but I would almost bet it is your ISP caching that is fouling up.

[motojedi]

moto, it's probably not your OS. What browser are you using?

I'm on AOL with Internet Exploder 5.2

[patch29]

I'm on AOL with Internet Exploder 5.2

What OS? I think you are on OSX. :dunno

[cmr164]

I would like to have someone do an experiment. When you are having the problem, (Not when an image is ok) then please right click and select properties and copy those properties into a msg here.

As an example

[fish]

I'm on AOL with Internet Exploder 5.2
You're screwed. Get a real ISP and ditch the ancient exploder version.

[wxwax]

I would like to have someone do an experiment. When you are having the problem, (Not when an image is ok) then please right click and select properties and copy those properties into a msg here.

As an example

http://www.dgrin.com/images/attach/pdf.gif

[motojedi]

You're screwed. Get a real ISP and ditch the ancient exploder version.


I have been contemplating a switch to Earthlink (cable). But, my system works fine with every other site on the internet. Isn't 5.2 the newest version of Internet Explorer ?

[fish]

I have been contemplating a switch to Earthlink (cable). But, my system works fine with every other site on the internet. Isn't 5.2 the newest version of Internet Explorer ?
Looks like it's 5.2.3 for osx and 6.0 sp2 for winders.

[motojedi]

Looks like it's 5.2.3 for osx and 6.0 sp2 for winders.


I'm on OSX and I just switched to Safari from IE and it didn't help any with the attatched images not showing up. I've never had a problem on ADVRider.

[knary]

I'm on OSX and I just switched to Safari from IE and it didn't help any with the attatched images not showing up. I've never had a problem on ADVRider.

FWIW,
I'm a Safari user on OS 10.3.2 and have never had a problem with image display on either this, MOA, or ADVrider sites. Though rare, some caching issues aren't local.

[motojedi]

Whatever changes have been made have allowed me to view all images......no more problems......yeah ! :clap

[wxwax]

It happened to a couple of us yesterday. Different threads.

[wxwax]

Just happened again in this thread. (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=495)

[fish]

fwiw, i haven't had any problems at all with pics. :dunno

[knary]

Just happened again in this thread. (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=495)

I see it too.
I think Safari chokes on the weird buggy blend of html and xhtml.

[cmr164]

I see it too.
I think Safari chokes on the weird buggy blend of html and xhtml.
Too many different browsers and OS's have had the problem. I am going to guess that is it a DNS timing issue.

[wxwax]

On this thread (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=3815#post3815) I haven't been able to see the top photo. Not from my home machine, using Firebird. And not from my work machine, using Firebird and IE. At least IE gives me a red X.

[wxwax]

Same damn deal on this thread. (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=482) On my home machine I forced the photo to appear via cut-n-paste. But from work machine, on both browsers, once it again it's a no-show. :bash

[cmr164]

Same damn deal on this thread. (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=482) On my home machine I forced the photo to appear via cut-n-paste. But from work machine, on both browsers, once it again it's a no-show. :bash
In both of the threads you mention, I had to look in the page source to see the url and then bring it up seperately before I could see the image in the threads. It could be a nested CNAME dns response issue if it worked on subsequent tries. The busted icon is coming from dgrin so the problem is clearly there. The threads where there is nothing at all is also clearly a dgrin problem.

I think the server is set to validate urls and either the time for that is too short or the validation should be turned off and just let the browsers do it.

[wxwax]

Yeah, that's what I thought, a nested thingy-thumby. :lol3 Thanks cmr. :thumb At least I'm not the only one. I'm sure Baldy and crew will fix it once advrider is up and running.

[wxwax]

I'll just keep documenting them as they come. I can't see the first or second pic in this thread. (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=3903#post3903) Worse, when I cut and paste the URL, the pic still doesn't come up. :scratch

[wxwax]

smugmug appears to be down. Must be why.

[wxwax]

here's another thread (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=4334#post4334) where the pic didn't show up.

[ian408]

here's another thread (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=4334#post4334) where the pic didn't show up.

Charles,

I opened the image in this thread in a separate window (ie 6) with no
problem. Back to dgrin, shift+refresh = no go. But as soon as I replied, the
image popped up in both the edit window and the screen. So I don't think it's
DNS timing. Unless the server is heavily loaded. Do you have access to the
server logs? A gross suggestion (if you can) that would help you test is to
add host entries for smugmug boxes to the host file and set the resolve
order to files:dns:... .

Ian

[cmr164]

Charles,

I opened the image in this thread in a separate window (ie 6) with no
problem. Back to dgrin, shift+refresh = no go. But as soon as I replied, the
image popped up in both the edit window and the screen. So I don't think it's
DNS timing. Unless the server is heavily loaded. Do you have access to the
server logs? A gross suggestion (if you can) that would help you test is to
add host entries for smugmug boxes to the host file and set the resolve
order to files:dns:... .

Ian Please bear in mind that Charles (me/I) does not have any access to smugmug/dgrin or to the s/w installed there.

When there is a default gif or other indication on the screen, check the properties of that gif. The system that has the gif is the one that did not figure out the image. So far that has been dgrin in each case. When there has not been any sign of a gif or of a missing image, that also indicates a failure of s/w on dgrin although the logic is indirect. Mozilla/firefox/IE all will indicate a broken link with a local indication. Since that is not happening the implication is that dgrin is not even trying to show the image.

The above is just intelligent guessing of course.

More intelligent guessing is that the dgrin s/w checks validity of links before serving images and that the check has a timeout value for performance reasons. This would be the first place I would look to experiment with if I did have access to the s/w.

[ian408]

Please bear in mind that Charles (me/I) does not have any access to smugmug/dgrin or to the s/w installed there.

When there is a default gif or other indication on the screen, check the properties of that gif. The system that has the gif is the one that did not figure out the image. So far that has been dgrin in each case. When there has not been any sign of a gif or of a missing image, that also indicates a failure of s/w on dgrin although the logic is indirect. Mozilla/firefox/IE all will indicate a broken link with a local indication. Since that is not happening the implication is that dgrin is not even trying to show the image.

The above is just intelligent guessing of course.

More intelligent guessing is that the dgrin s/w checks validity of links before serving images and that the check has a timeout value for performance reasons. This would be the first place I would look to experiment with if I did have access to the s/w.
2/19 -- 1959 PDT. It's happening again. Same thread.

What's strange is if you cut and paste, you'll get the image. The problem
seems to occur more frequently with smugmug hosted images. I wish there
were some way to help other than just reporting.

Ian

[knary]

Just had the same problem. I even tested the thread in another browser. Still no go. Very odd.

[wxwax]

Just happened again.

This thread. (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=6794#post6794)

I can't see Andy's pics until I cut and paste the URL's. I thought this problem had gone away.

[Baldy]

Just happened again.

This thread. (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=6794#post6794)

I can't see Andy's pics until I cut and paste the URL's. I thought this problem had gone away.I just upgraded the forum software to version 3.0.0 — the long-awaited final version — so we'll see if it fixed any bugs that help you.

[wxwax]

Bummer. I clicked on that thread again. Still can't see the pics.