>> challenge 15 - comment and critiques thread << [Sitemap]

Andy

Jun-18-2004, 02:14 PM

d'ya see what i'm talking about?
Well, yes I do, Andy. The funny thing was that my shutter speed was 1/20, and that didn't give me enough blur, so I lowered it to 1/10, so the shutterspeed was in the range, but I am doing horizontal panning, etc, and you have a train about to hit you, or something.

I know, that this will mean that I will not get into the finals, but I do like my shot of the tennis player, as an art form. And somewhere you have emphasized that we must self judge, too. I have about a week left, and there are other picures I will probably take, but I don't think I will get another child tennis player situation like that one. I am glad I had my camera.

The picture I took of the polo players was lost in the hurricane of "89, Hugo, and it was much more blurred than these. I am just going to sit and enjoy these shots for awhile.

Now, I do love your comments, and I hope you keep making them. I mean don't "throw me out", because I am obstinate. Your comments give me other things to think about. Now do you see what I mean in the art forms of more blur? LOL, probably not.

I do want you to know that I did not seriously consider entering the shot of the dog hiding from the rain, well, if I had I would have cut down some of that blur. Oh, and please clarify what you consider a digital wide angle lens, I would hate to vote on it, and find I didn't have the lens.

ginger[/QUOTE]

i'd like the tennis girl - i'd love it with a clear background and just the girl moving. it's tough to do - and so i really dig your attitude, ginger!

keep it up, you are an inspiration, do you know that?

Sandy

Jun-18-2004, 06:01 PM

I dropped my cell phone and Astro quickly retrieved it.

MY CELL PHONE!!

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5265337-M.jpg

ginger_55

Jun-18-2004, 06:44 PM

[QUOTE=Sandy]I dropped my cell phone and Astro quickly retrieved it.

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That is funny, I love it!

Are you now "speechless"?

g

rutt

Jun-18-2004, 08:03 PM

I've posted lots of little league action shots on dgrin this spring. Mostly, I've tried to take conservative good sports shots like you might see in Sports Illustrated or something. I like getting these, especially when I can hook an interesting little story (It was ugly...) or question (Was he out?) on them. So I have some of these were shot Thursday night, e.g.:

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5248202-L.jpg

(could be his rookie baseball card?)

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5247881-L.jpg

Needs a little PS work to crop, straighten, make the colors pop, but a hard capture to get.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5248072-L.jpg

Again needs a little (maybe more than a little) PS work to make the background less destracting, but nice shot of a good hit.

Fine. I can take this kind of picture and I've been practicing all spring and there is one more game. Fine.

But I also have some that I have a harder time evaluating. They might be much better than the classic action shots above or they might be much worse.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5248064-L.jpg

This one tells a story. The pitcher has to decide whether to get the easy out at first or try to get the lead runner at second. The second baseman has a strong opinion about this. But does is the composition strong enough to hold the viewer's interest while s/he decodes the story?

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5247914-L.jpg

I love the composition of this one and it certainly expresses movement. Should I be unhappy that I didn't get his face?

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5248258-L.jpg

This one is really at the edge of my self confidence. It's pretty abstract, but I think the composition works. And there is no question about movement.

Comments, please.

wxwax

Jun-18-2004, 10:39 PM

A little night shooting.

http://wxwax.smugmug.com/photos/5270060-L.jpg

rutt

Jun-19-2004, 01:34 AM

A little night shooting.

http://wxwax.smugmug.com/photos/5270060-L.jpg
Very cool and interesting, Sid. BUt what is it? Looks like one of my bad dreams.

damonff

Jun-19-2004, 01:45 AM

Hey Rutt. This one is really cool because it shows the movement in the pitcher's hand only, the most importrant "part" of a pitcher. His form is captured at the peak of movement, before the follow-through. Nice. Maybe crop some of the top out to emphasize the action...but I guess if this were the big leagues, the blurry crowd would look cool...

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5248202-S.jpg

This one is filled with personality. I hear your voice more in this one than I do in any of the others. Maybe try a few more in this style. I like it. There is a lot of emotion and power in the runner, almost like "the agony of defeat" like they used to say on ABC's Wide World of Sports. This one is really good. He's trying so hard, running...

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5248258-S.jpg

rutt

Jun-19-2004, 02:00 AM

Hey Rutt.
Thanks, Damon. This is the kind of useful feedback I was looking for. With the baseball pictures, I've taken so many at the same field it's gotten to be time for me to look for ways to break out of the most obvious style. Feedback is really helpful for this because one is so close to one's own work that it's easy to love things that nobody else will be able to.

Last night I got this:

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5267909-L.jpg

I was very conciously trying to tell the story of how badly the Expos were trying to even the score in the bottom of the fith.

damonff

Jun-19-2004, 02:07 AM

You can feel the tension in this one. In the context of a photo essay, this would work. As an individual picture, though, you should close the aperture so we can see the scoreboard...and thus feel the pressure...the bat in this one is cool and the blurry boy in the background really works...I also like how the batter is in the lower right-hand corner. It makes it feel like he needs to get somewhere, very dynamic.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5267909-S.jpg

rutt

Jun-19-2004, 02:21 AM

In the context of a photo essay, this would work. As an individual picture, though, you should close the aperture so we can see the scoreboard...
and the rest of the ugly and distracting background. Shooting baseball in this park is a real tradeoff. Not all angles are possible and it takes time to move between some of the possible viewpoints. The ones down the third base line are taken from just to the batter's right of the backstop. There is only one place to shoot there, I have to cosy up to the fence and poke the camera around the backstop. I'm not allowed to go inside the fence any closer to the home teams dugout (anymore. In the beginning of the season the young umps let me do it, but the comminisioner has a thing about it and put a stop to it.) So I like this angle very much, but it's all to easy to get bad shots like this:

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5267614-M.jpg

This could be rotated a bit to straighten it out, but it isn't really good enough to try to fix. I just wanted you to see what's in the background from this angle.

I could tell you all the details of the viewpoints possible in this park. I mean I really could go on about it. But that would be off message...

damonff

Jun-19-2004, 02:34 AM

Wow. The park looks so much smaller here. You did a great job in the others in that the park seems large. Here I feel cramped. Interesting...perspective changes everything, eh? I see why you opened the aperture for these...

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5267614-M.jpg

rutt

Jun-19-2004, 02:40 AM

Wow. The park looks so much smaller here. You did a great job in the others in that the park seems large. Here I feel cramped. Interesting...perspective changes everything, eh?
The tele makes things look cramped if you close it down because it loses natural perspective (or something like that). It narrows the difference in size between things that are far away and things that are closer, just the opposite of how wide angle makes things recede into the background more quickly.

In reality, this is a nice big park and there is quite a lot of space between the outfield fence and the playground in the background. The tele just compresses it.

Andy

Jun-19-2004, 03:12 AM

I've posted lots of little league action shots on dgrin this spring. Mostly, I've tried to take conservative good sports shots like you might see in Sports Illustrated or something. I like getting these, especially when I can hook an interesting little story (It was ugly...) or question (Was he out?) on them. So I have some of these were shot Thursday night, e.g.:

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5248202-S.jpg

(could be his rookie baseball card?)

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5247881-S.jpg

Needs a little PS work to crop, straighten, make the colors pop, but a hard capture to get.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5248072-S.jpg

Again needs a little (maybe more than a little) PS work to make the background less destracting, but nice shot of a good hit.

Fine. I can take this kind of picture and I've been practicing all spring and there is one more game. Fine.

But I also have some that I have a harder time evaluating. They might be much better than the classic action shots above or they might be much worse.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5248064-S.jpg

This one tells a story. The pitcher has to decide whether to get the easy out at first or try to get the lead runner at second. The second baseman has a strong opinion about this. But does is the composition strong enough to hold the viewer's interest while s/he decodes the story?

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5247914-S.jpg

I love the composition of this one and it certainly expresses movement. Should I be unhappy that I didn't get his face?

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5248258-S.jpg

This one is really at the edge of my self confidence. It's pretty abstract, but I think the composition works. And there is no question about movement.

Comments, please.

you are really good at the LL shots :wink

numbers one and 3 could benefet from a bit more context (scene) imo. number two is nice - number one i wish the ball was in the shot, upper left - number four seems a bit u.e. (can fix in post?) number 5 - where's the base? need that for context. number 6 i think is great compo but i want a bit more, i think it's just a bit too zoomed in. the face is great.

AltPro

Jun-19-2004, 03:29 AM

Some of the photos I've seen so far have really been wonderful... Looks like this is one assignment that will really have everyone moving!
ginette
Hummers: One
http://throughthelensltd.smugmug.com/photos/5267270-L.jpg

Hummers: Two
http://throughthelensltd.smugmug.com/photos/5267259-L.jpg

Hummers: Three
http://throughthelensltd.smugmug.com/photos/5267257-L.jpg

rutt

Jun-19-2004, 03:30 AM

number 5 - where's the base? need that for context..
Yes, this reflects another tradeoff I've learned to make for shooting these games. 9 times out of 10 I want portrait orentation. People are vertical beings, after all and even group shots of baseball action tend to be closely grouped. But once in a while, the players get horizontal (as in this shot) and these are by far the coolest shots and I wish (afterward) that I had been holding the camera the other way or that I had the presence of mind to zoom out a little. But when the players get horizontal, things are happening very fast and it is very hard to react. That's actually the fun and challenge of shooting baseball. It is very easy to set up to shoot the pitchers' moves or one batter after another, and then sometimes you get a cool shot with the ball in the air. But getting the fielding and base running action is a pretty advanced hand/eye coordination excersise, on a par with baseball itself.

rutt

Jun-19-2004, 03:47 AM

All three hummer shots are very nice captures. Consider cropping to streghthen the composition and some kind of color correction to bring up the details of the birds. I did this with #3

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5273763-O.jpg

The color correction I used was PS/CS shadow/highlights. I started with the default settings and turned down the shadow amount and tonal range until it looked good to me; not really a science yet. Could probably be improved further by LAB A+B steepening afterwards and LAB L USM after that. Not worth doing that except with the original.

rutt

Jun-19-2004, 03:50 AM

All three hummer shots are very nice captures.
Oh, and if you can shoot the hummers again, it might be fun to shoot a fast enough exposure to freeze their wings. Mabe back off of this a little then so you can actually see the wings but with a little motion blur?

It looks like you might be well set up to shoot them every day. That sort of setup would entrap me and become a huge obsession.

ginger_55

Jun-19-2004, 04:55 AM

I knew I had seen, and admired, colored blurred shots of action by a famous photographer in many years past. I just absolutely love his work, I was probably studying it, by myself, in the seventies, I was so envious and admiring. He was a member of Magnum. His name is/was ERNEST HAAS. From my google search this morning I discovered that he died in 1985.
I notice that most of his VERY blurred pictures of motion appear to be taken in the last half of the 1950s. One is called BULL FIGHT, another is called MOTION: RUNNERS. I would suggest this man's work be googled before a strong critique of my own work. I did not do any motion photography then, but I put these pictures in the back of my head, and I fear my head has released them in this assignment.
ginger

rutt

Jun-19-2004, 05:13 AM

IHis name is/was ERNEST HAAS.
ginger Oh, boy, Ginger, this guy was good! I love this:

http://www.peterfetterman.com/images/artists/haas/BroncoRider.jpg

and this one is likely to become the all time favorite of thousands (ok, maybe scores) of dgrin'ers:

http://www.peterfetterman.com/images/artists/haas/RaceCars.jpg

It's easy to find examples of the greats breaking the rules, sometimes all the rules at once. What would you say about this motion shot:

http://www.afterimagegallery.com/bressonbehind.jpg

Hmmm, focus on background not foreground. Why isn't the protagonist in focus? Too dark, perhaps try PS/CS shadow/highlight? Black isn't really black, perhaps threshold white/black point correction? Stuff in the water is distracting, try cloning it out. Or maybe a horizontal crop to emphasize the sense of horizontal motion and remove distracting rooftops? Why B+W? I want to see the color of the sky reflected in the puddle.

Any one of these suggestions would dimminish this image for reasons that I can probably explain, but aren't really the point here.

*Sigh* But he is HCB, and has a license to break the rules. And I am merely me, happy when I can actually manage to obey them.

Andy

Jun-19-2004, 05:22 AM

i posted a few haas shots in ging's other thread.

i'm diggin him a lot lately

wxwax

Jun-19-2004, 07:33 AM

Very cool and interesting, Sid. BUt what is it? Looks like one of my bad dreams.

:lol3 Thanks, Rutt, it's outside a fish restaurant downtown. Friday night pedestrians passing in front of their huge sculpture.

wxwax

Jun-19-2004, 07:38 AM

The tele makes things look cramped if you close it down because it loses natural perspective (or something like that)... The tele just compresses it.

I heard them call it 'telescopic foreshortening" on TV when explaining why the big zoom on a television camera at a baseball game makes it look like it's raining harder than it actually is.

The zoom compresses the distance. As I know you know, it can make for useful shots, when you want to mash your foreground subject against a larger background - get some distance and a long lens, and suddenly they're together!

wxwax

Jun-19-2004, 07:45 AM

Nice action shot. This and the guy making the catch look good. IMHO, and it really is a humble opinion, it wants only for some dramatic light. The framing of the catch would look better with room in front of him rather than behind him, and with horizontal framing, dunno if you did that on purpose and I'm being a Philistine.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5248202-S.jpg http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5247881-S.jpg

I really like what you're trying here. I think the shots where you extend yourself have more interest. My only thought is about the composition... it's almost purely up the middle. Might be stronger with a different layout. (This feels like carping, as the opportunities are limited in live action.)

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5248064-S.jpg

I really quite like this one. It communicates feeling and place. I wish his face was more in focus, but I think I hear HCB snorting with disgust even as I type this. Again, I find the shots where you extend yourself to be more interesting than the standard action shots.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5248258-S.jpg

Shakey

Jun-19-2004, 09:56 AM

Attempting to catch motion sometimes is giving what I think fuzzy and unfocused movement.

I am getting closer to what I want to achieve. But I don't think I am there yet I am still leaning to my cycle pic.

http://shakey.smugmug.com/photos/5280699-M.jpg

and

http://shakey.smugmug.com/photos/5280351-M.jpg

Bryan

Jun-19-2004, 04:48 PM

I shot this at a wedding last night. Any good?
http://gifford-family.smugmug.com/photos/5291210-L.jpg

rutt

Jun-19-2004, 05:01 PM

I shot this at a wedding last night. Any good?
http://gifford-family.smugmug.com/photos/5291210-S.jpg
OK, I'm going out on a limb here, but all color or all B&W, please! I like the picture, but I think the selective color is very distracting. And it been done. Is it really a permenant part of the photographic vocabularly? Or just a fad? I think this might be a stunning B&W or color image. The and and bow blur is very nice.

Shakey

Jun-19-2004, 05:19 PM

[QUOTE=Shakey]Attempting to catch motion sometimes is giving what I think fuzzy and unfocused movement.
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I like the baseball picture a lot. How did you get on the field? Long lens? Or were you there.
gingerThanks Ginger

I was just off to the fielders left side of the Backstop and I shot it with a 105mm lens =168mm with the conversion factored in .

Bryan

I think it is a nice shot maybe cropped a bit to tight and I would like to see the color version before I can say more.

Bryan

Jun-19-2004, 06:01 PM

OK, I'm going out on a limb here, but all color or all B&W, please! I like the picture, but I think the selective color is very distracting. And it been done. Is it really a permenant part of the photographic vocabularly? Or just a fad? I think this might be a stunning B&W or color image. The and and bow blur is very nice.
Thanks for your thoughts. here are the original and a couple other versions...

ORIGINAL - Captured in banquet hall with sunset infront of him
dRebel ISO 800, f4.5, 1/15 sec (hand held)
http://gifford-family.smugmug.com/photos/5292813-M.jpg

B/W - it just does not have the pop I was hoping for.
http://gifford-family.smugmug.com/photos/5292789-M.jpg

Color cropped and desaturated a bit.
http://gifford-family.smugmug.com/photos/5292790-M.jpg

Finally I tried taking saturation way down, interesting look.
I like it, I love the tone on the violin.
http://gifford-family.smugmug.com/photos/5292807-M.jpg

Thanks for your thoughts, they make me push and work harder.

wxwax

Jun-19-2004, 11:05 PM

A day in the sun. I'd hoped for anglers casting in the sundown, but they were mysteriously absent. Then I tried for faces of runners and cyclists, so I put a big lens on. Turns out it's hard to keep in frame someone who's ten yards away, when you have a big lens. Also, two folks got irate about having their photo taken - no way to be inconspicuous with a heavyweight camera and a honking white lens on it. But most were cool.

Shirtless Runner
http://wxwax.smugmug.com/photos/5299107-M.jpg

Young Cyclist
http://wxwax.smugmug.com/photos/5299033-M.jpg

gubbs

Jun-19-2004, 11:48 PM

I've posted pictures of these guys before, but they were playing in town again yesterday....(tripod:nono)

http://gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5299566-L.jpg

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5299568-M.jpg

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5299567-M.jpg

gubbs

Jun-19-2004, 11:59 PM

I woke up this morning knowing it was motion Thursday so I got my butt in motion and after I dropped the kid off at school I went downtown.

Title: Cyclepathic Grin
http://shakey.smugmug.com/photos/5230590-S.jpg

My fav is Cyclepathic Grin due to the color emotion and capture of highrises in the background. Also it is my first ever attempt at a panning style shot.

Shakey, any shot that makes you feel dizzy has got to be expressing movement well ...

gubbs

Jun-20-2004, 12:03 AM

Driving, moving rain, shelter is sought
A Rainy Day
http://gingersnap.smugmug.com/photos/5276816-S.jpg
I really like this ginger, was it actually raining or is that a ps effect??

gubbs

Jun-20-2004, 12:13 AM

http://wxwax.smugmug.com/photos/5270060-S.jpg

Cool shot Sid, not sure what it is yet but its very dramatic. You kinda think the Fish(??) is moving!!

I know now I've seen the rest of the thread:D

gubbs

Jun-20-2004, 12:18 AM

Rutt, I really enjoy all of your Baseball shots, Particularly these 2...

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5248258-S.jpg

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5267909-S.jpg

rutt

Jun-20-2004, 01:49 AM

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Bryan, I like them all, the color, the blk and white and the "fad" with black and white and color. The only one I don't like is the very big one you asked about.

I'm not sure the contest rules allow us to choose a size. Andy, please clarify. But, Ginger, I think you have an issue with size. You commented that you couldn't see a smugmug L photo of mine all at once. What resolution display do you have?

rutt

Jun-20-2004, 03:41 AM

Taken at the first same sex marriage in the First Unitarian Society of Newton church. It's a lot of social movement.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5302205-L.jpg

Shakey

Jun-20-2004, 04:03 AM

Still not what I am looking for but close.
http://shakey.smugmug.com/photos/5303265-L.jpg

Tim

Andy

Jun-20-2004, 04:09 AM

I'm not sure the contest rules allow us to choose a size. Andy, please clarify. But, Ginger, I think you have an issue with size. You commented that you couldn't see a smugmug L photo of mine all at once. What resolution display do you have?

smugmug size -L for portrait orientation, -M for landscape orientation (makes viewing easiest, allows for small monitors to see the full pic w/out scrolling). -L for landscape is of course acceptable, too... it falls in the <150KB limitation size, and 800px max on the longest side limitation.

hope this helps?

rutt

Jun-20-2004, 04:22 AM

smugmug size -L for portrait orientation, -M for landscape orientation (makes viewing easiest, allows for small monitors to see the full pic w/out scrolling). -L for landscape is of course acceptable, too... it falls in the <150KB limitation size, and 800px max on the longest side limitation.

hope this helps?
Doesn't exactly answer the question posed by Ginger's critiques. Can entries be smaller than 800px on the longest side? Reading between the lines in your post, I'd say, "yes". In the interest of benevolent transparency, can you please disclose your aesthestic opinion of smaller submissions? Thanks.

Andy

Jun-20-2004, 04:48 AM

Doesn't exactly answer the question posed by Ginger's critiques. Can entries be smaller than 800px on the longest side? Reading between the lines in your post, I'd say, "yes". In the interest of benevolent transparency, can you please disclose your aesthestic opinion of smaller submissions? Thanks.

oh sure, i'm sorry rutt ;-)

i think that too small is no good and too big is no good ;-)

for me, i'd say that smaller than 640x480 is too small. bigger than 800x600 is too big.

i prefer giant images, but i have a 21" monitor and broadband... but we have to accomodate all comers here, so that's why the 800px max limitation...

does this help? :rofl

rutt

Jun-20-2004, 06:05 AM

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I don't know. Actually, I don't know what you mean? And I am sure my husband doesn't either. We have a 1 1/2 year old Dell computer with a 17" monitor of the same age. I have noticed articles and things about monitors not being able to display what we are insisting on putting on them, or something.
ginger
Let's help Ginger, but in a different thread. Ginger, why don't you post this as question on the accessories bb. I'll bet we can help.

ginger_55

Jun-20-2004, 06:06 AM

I've posted pictures of these guys before, but they were playing in town again yesterday....(tripod:nono)

http://gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5299567-M.jpg
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Gubbs, I think that is a lovely photo.

ginger

DavidTO

Jun-20-2004, 06:52 AM

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5299567-M.jpg

My favorite of the lot. Great expression, and great feeling of movement around him.

wxwax

Jun-20-2004, 07:49 AM

My favs so far, with absolutely no offense intended for anyone whose shot I haven't picked, ya varmints....

http://gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5299567-S.jpg http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5248258-S.jpg :evilhttp://wxwax.smugmug.com/photos/5270060-S.jpg:evil

http://gingersnap.smugmug.com/photos/5276816-S.jpg
Ginger, you're coming on strong these days!

And that doesn't even include the ones already submitted, like these beauties:
http://see-moon.smugmug.com/photos/5255877-S.jpg http://nomadphotography.smugmug.com/photos/5272086-S.jpg

And Surfphoto's great surfing shot, which is an attachment and can't be linked to this post.

wxwax

Jun-20-2004, 07:55 AM

... the vertical pictures seem to be getting bigger again. I have to scroll on all of them.

Ginger, how about you try hitting the F11 key on your keyboard? It removes all the junk from the top and bottom of your screen. Makes the screen bigger. When you want it back the way it was, just hit F11 again.

wxwax

Jun-20-2004, 08:11 AM

OK, I have a couple more up my short sleeve from yesterday. In addition, I have an idea for a shot, but I don't know if I can get a store to give me permission to see if it will work. I'll try today.

Jogger vs Walker
http://wxwax.smugmug.com/photos/5298291-M.jpg

Fast Car
http://wxwax.smugmug.com/photos/5298619-L.jpg

Sandy

Jun-20-2004, 02:19 PM

The Gay Pride Parade in West Hollywood, are any of these worthy of the challenge?

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5320889-M.jpg

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5320887-M.jpg
http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5320891-M.jpg

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5320890-M.jpg

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5320888-M.jpg
http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5320892-M.jpg

dugmar

Jun-20-2004, 02:27 PM

Watkins Glen, NY this weekend. I'm sorting through some more now, so there are more to come, I filled 3 256MB cards on Friday and Saturday. Comments welcome.

-Doug

http://dugmar.smugmug.com/photos/5310210-M.jpg

http://dugmar.smugmug.com/photos/5305829-M.jpg

http://dugmar.smugmug.com/photos/5310153-M.jpg

dugmar

Jun-20-2004, 02:46 PM

Not much motion captured here, but one of my fav's... (Lotus Esprit V8 Turbo)

http://dugmar.smugmug.com/photos/5322369-M.jpg

dugmar

Jun-20-2004, 05:04 PM

A little more motion in these shots...

http://dugmar.smugmug.com/photos/5324375-M.jpg

http://dugmar.smugmug.com/photos/5324359-M.jpg

http://dugmar.smugmug.com/photos/5322405-M.jpg

http://dugmar.smugmug.com/photos/5322398-M.jpg

http://dugmar.smugmug.com/photos/5324364-M.jpg

rutt

Jun-20-2004, 05:35 PM

[QUOTE=Sandy]The Gay Pride Parade in West Hollywood, are any of these worthy of the challenge?
http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5320887-M.jpg

I liked all these shots, but this one is especially relevant.

rutt

Jun-20-2004, 05:36 PM

Not much motion captured here, but one of my fav's... (Lotus Esprit V8 Turbo)

http://dugmar.smugmug.com/photos/5322369-M.jpg
I see the motion. Maybe the car is actually stopped? But it looks like it is moving.

dugmar

Jun-20-2004, 07:13 PM

I see the motion. Maybe the car is actually stopped? But it looks like it is moving.
It's going about 130 MPH. :)

Sandy

Jun-20-2004, 07:21 PM

Yep....he was really in step. [QUOTE=Sandy]The Gay Pride Parade in West Hollywood, are any of these worthy of the challenge?
http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5320887-M.jpg

I liked all these shots, but this one is especially relevant.

Sandy

Jun-20-2004, 09:06 PM

Nice shot...the pace is a little slower there than here.The Action Shot of The Day from South Carolina

http://gingersnap.smugmug.com/photos/5334155-M.jpg

Island Action

by ginger

damonff

Jun-20-2004, 11:10 PM

Thanks Sid.

And that doesn't even include the ones already submitted, like these beauties:

http://nomadphotography.smugmug.com/photos/5272086-S.jpg

gubbs

Jun-20-2004, 11:39 PM

Took this last week so it doesn't qualify......

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5073301-L.jpg

Thanks for the previous comments Sid, Ginger and David, that was a lucky catch...

dugmar

Jun-21-2004, 03:06 AM

It's nice to have a media/photo credential so you can get close to the action. :deal

-Doug
http://dugmar.smugmug.com/photos/5329635-M.jpg

http://dugmar.smugmug.com/photos/5329636-M.jpg

rutt

Jun-21-2004, 03:33 AM

It's going about 130 MPH. :)
I like this shot a lot. Maybe clone out the thing on the left margin? Any sharpness you can gain of the rear wheels will enhance the sense of speed.

SeeMoon

Jun-21-2004, 05:04 AM

ginger_55

Jun-21-2004, 06:32 AM

ginger_55

Jun-21-2004, 07:39 AM

I shot this at a wedding last night. Any good?

And I know why. I did change my resolution from 1024 X 768 to 1152 X 864.
(Will that help my printer from cutting the rt side off of everything, too?)

Anyway, on the violinist, I still have to scroll. Although everything is smaller. Oh for younger eyes, but so far it is not as small as a phone book, that would not be acceptable. And it does not appear distorted, also unacceptable.

I still like the violinist better smaller. The reason is that I, personally, would get rid of the extraneous stuff at the top, behind the violinist' head. When the photo appears smaller, to me, and I am not scrolling, I am not as aware of it, but even then, why keep it in there? I can't figure out that it is necessary as to the setting of the violinist. I would "black" it out, just so it blends in and the whole background is one color, in the case, I think, black.

That is my reasoning. I would advise all to check their resolution, smile, hope it helps me. But I still think the same on the photograph? Anyone think the stuff should stay?
ginger

spockling

Jun-21-2004, 09:37 AM

This is my first challenge entry, and although I know the water droplet thing has been done before, I would appreciate your comments. Thanks
http://members.shaw.ca/betlin/Contests/Movement.jpg

Sandy

Jun-21-2004, 10:01 AM

Looks like an apparition is floating around the table. The chair doesn't bother me much. I really lkie the photo.

I just got back from Dubai and got this Starbucks shot..what do you think? The thing that bothers me is the chair on the right , but I could'nt just stand up and change angle because they did'nt like me taking their picture. Any comments?

http://see-moon.smugmug.com/photos/5345556-L.jpg

AltPro

Jun-21-2004, 12:14 PM

I just got back from Dubai and got this Starbucks shot..what do you think? The thing that bothers me is the chair on the right , but I could'nt just stand up and change angle because they did'nt like me taking their picture. Any comments?

http://see-moon.smugmug.com/photos/5345556-L.jpg
Just for you Simone, I spent a few minutes just to give you an idea of how it would look without the chair... Would require a bit more effort to get it just right, still it moves towards an image without the chair and lets you see which way you would prefer the photo.

Hope it helps answer your question... I had fun. And I really love the movement in the photo, the face of the gentleman sitting at the table, almost daring you to continue to photograph them. The Black & White is perfect, IMHO for this particular image. Color would not have had the impact at all. Really great, both with or without the chair! The preference is of course in the eye of the viewer.
ginette
http://ThroughTheLensLtd.smugmug.com/photos/5363110-L.jpg

SeeMoon

Jun-21-2004, 12:53 PM

Just for you Simone, I spent a few minutes just to give you an idea of how it would look without the chair... Would require a bit more effort to get it just right, still it moves towards an image without the chair and lets you see which way you would prefer the photo.

Hope it helps answer your question... I had fun. And I really love the movement in the photo, the face of the gentleman sitting at the table, almost daring you to continue to photograph them. The Black & White is perfect, IMHO for this particular image. Color would not have had the impact at all. Really great, both with or without the chair! The preference is of course in the eye of the viewer.
ginette
http://ThroughTheLensLtd.smugmug.com/photos/5363110-L.jpg

Thanks for your effort, Ginette! At first I was laughing and felt so bad at the same time because I was talking about the chair on the right! You had given it all that time..but looking at the picture you worked on made me realise it *was* the one on the left that had been bothering me; the blurry guy is the one who needs attention of the viewer, right? Merci bien!! I really like the result!

:thumb

SeeMoon

Jun-21-2004, 12:59 PM

...and this was the last thing the audience saw of the dance:

Wow..I like this one! The color, for starters and the silhouette makes me wonder what this is all about. Who are these people, what's the story?
Nice!

SeeMoon

Jun-21-2004, 01:03 PM

I really like that shot, didn't notice the chair, was too busy noticing the people, and the blur is good, don't usually like a person just coming in and blurring, but here I think you nailed it. I just wish I could see a coffee cup, smile. Could you put one in there? ginger

Thanks for your comments Ginger! Apreciate it. I just got back from a flight so my brain's not up to too much PS challenges..but if I get that cup in I'll let you know! :D

I'm curious which tennisgirl it's going to be..

SeeMoon

Jun-21-2004, 01:07 PM

Looks like an apparition is floating around the table. The chair doesn't bother me much. I really lkie the photo.

Thanks Sandy!

AltPro

Jun-21-2004, 02:06 PM

Thanks for your effort, Ginette! At first I was laughing and felt so bad at the same time because I was talking about the chair on the right! You had given it all that time..but looking at the picture you worked on made me realise it *was* the one on the left that had been bothering me; the blurry guy is the one who needs attention of the viewer, right? Merci bien!! I really like the result!
:thumb
Simone, c'est typique. Two people look at something, hear a conversation about it, and still visualize completely different things! I never even thought of the "black chair" as an obstruction. It was just a part of the composition that felt right.
Very etherial photo. I do like it very much.
ginette

wxwax

Jun-21-2004, 03:33 PM

Nice photchopping, Alt. :nod

wxwax

Jun-21-2004, 03:34 PM

This is my first challenge entry, and although I know the water droplet thing has been done before, I would appreciate your comments. Thanks

It's a nice pic, you caught the right moment. Lots of color artifacts in the shot. Not sure if you mean for them to be there or not. Did you have to "push" the exposure a lot, or zoom into the image?

AltPro

Jun-21-2004, 05:05 PM

Nice photchopping, Alt. :nod
Why Thank You, Sid...
Thank You Very Much...:wink

ginette

DavidTO

Jun-21-2004, 06:40 PM

I've been spending all my waking hours trying to get my new house ready for move-in. Tiling bathrooms, digging trenches...leaves little time for my hobbies.

I did manage to take a break after a hard day's work on father's day to celebrate with dinner out with the kids, and took advantage of the day to get some pictures of them (they have to cooperate on father's day, right???).

Anyway, my main goal was just to get some nice shots of them, but while there, I played around with motion, and here's a few. They had so much fun wrestling with eachother, it really reminded me of my summers as a kid.

Horsing around

http://davidrosenthal.smugmug.com/photos/5351038-M.jpg

Flying

http://davidrosenthal.smugmug.com/photos/5349810-M.jpg

Happy Feet

http://davidrosenthal.smugmug.com/photos/5350448-M.jpg

There's more, but I think that'll do.

ginger_55

Jun-21-2004, 07:51 PM

I like this one, particularly, ginger. Looks like it was a good Father's Day for all.

Happy Feet

http://davidrosenthal.smugmug.com/photos/5350448-M.jpg

There's more, but I think that'll do.[/QUOTE]

ian408

Jun-21-2004, 08:46 PM

Taken at the first same sex marriage in the First Unitarian Society of Newton church. It's a lot of social movement.

Rutt,

This is, I think, the second time you've chosen a subject other than
the "common" translation.

I like that it forces one to think about the subject matter and the context.

Nice!

Ian

ian408

Jun-21-2004, 08:53 PM

I just got back from Dubai and got this Starbucks shot..what do you think? The thing that bothers me is the chair on the right , but I could'nt just stand up and change angle because they did'nt like me taking their picture. Any comments?

It's nice shot. I think what would make it better is a wider field of view
(to capture more of the scene).

I never thought Starbucks would have a location in Dubai. Thanks for opening
my eyes to this part of the world!

Ian

ian408

Jun-21-2004, 08:59 PM

After a great swirling modern dance exhibit, the dancers slowly brought it to an end...
'doggie,

These are nice. Both of them.

How do you manage to shoot in a theater tho? I would think it was a big
no-no.

ian

wxwax

Jun-21-2004, 09:43 PM

Happy Feet

http://davidrosenthal.smugmug.com/photos/5350448-S.jpg

.

Cuuute!

spockling

Jun-21-2004, 09:53 PM

It's a nice pic, you caught the right moment. Lots of color artifacts in the shot. Not sure if you mean for them to be there or not. Did you have to "push" the exposure a lot, or zoom into the image?
Sid, Thanks. The color artifacts are from me not sizing my pic correctly. Would prefer they're not there. Due to equipment shortcomings (Canon A75) I had to zoom right in to get this.

damonff

Jun-21-2004, 11:14 PM

With an A75 you shouldn't have that much grain. Zoom out, move closer, and make sure your settings are correct as far as picture quality...my friend was taking pictures with his new Sony P10 and wondered why his quality was bad; turns out his camera was set on 640x480.Sid, Thanks. The color artifacts are from me not sizing my pic correctly. Would prefer they're not there. Due to equipment shortcomings (Canon A75) I had to zoom right in to get this.

Wolf

Jun-22-2004, 03:53 AM

Love the Happy Feet shot.

SeeMoon

Jun-22-2004, 04:47 AM

Simone, c'est typique. Two people look at something, hear a conversation about it, and still visualize completely different things! I never even thought of the "black chair" as an obstruction. It was just a part of the composition that felt right.
Very etherial photo. I do like it very much.
ginette

Merci Ginette!

In this case it was a very good thing..and nice photoshopping indeed!

wxwax

Jun-22-2004, 06:23 AM

Happy Feet

David, I hope you don't mind, I took the liberty of doing a crop to this wonderful photo. If you object, I'll take it down immediately.

http://wxwax.smugmug.com/photos/5388508-M.jpg

DavidTO

Jun-22-2004, 06:35 AM

David, I hope you don't mind, I took the liberty of doing a crop to this wonderful photo. If you object, I'll take it down immediately.

http://wxwax.smugmug.com/photos/5388508-M.jpg

I don't mind at all. If I submit it to the challenge, it may very well end up looking something like that!

Edit: The more I look at it, the more I like it. Like I said in the original post, I've been so busy with the house, I can't concentrate on this as much as I would like. Tired and sore. But one of us is thinking!--a definite improvement.

Oh, and it's my daughter--all I see when I look at it is cute. Makes it harder to see a better crop, and judge it on photographic merits.

AltPro

Jun-22-2004, 06:37 AM

David, I hope you don't mind, I took the liberty of doing a crop to this wonderful photo. If you object, I'll take it down immediately.

Sid:

I think you are right... The Crop really works well here. Now she fills the frame, and the cut off hands don't seem out of place.
Great shot made even better.
My 2cents.
ginette

AltPro

Jun-22-2004, 10:19 AM

Oh, and it's my daughter--all I see when I look at it is cute. Makes it harder to see a better crop, and judge it on photographic merits.
And boy is she cute, David! I absolutely love the freckles! The wispy strands of hair...
But I think what captures me the most, are the eyes. Those beautiful blue eys looking right into the camera, and therefore right at the viewer. That's enhanced by the fact that you were down at ther level... She looks to be about 10, so the lip gloss through me at first, but then I remembered it was Father's Day, and you had been "going out." Makes is endearing that she would "dress" to go out with her Dad.

Really nice.
ginette

DavidTO

Jun-22-2004, 10:41 AM

And boy is she cute, David! I absolutely love the freckles! The wispy strands of hair...
But I think what captures me the most, are the eyes. Those beautiful blue eys looking right into the camera, and therefore right at the viewer. That's enhanced by the fact that you were down at ther level... She looks to be about 10, so the lip gloss through me at first, but then I remembered it was Father's Day, and you had been "going out." Makes is endearing that she would "dress" to go out with her Dad.

Really nice.
ginette

hmmm...no lip gloss, but I did use a fill flash. That's something to fix before submitting, perhaps. I can take down the sheen on the lips. The flash had a bluish cast next to the setting sun--so I processed twice in RAW. Once "as shot" for the background and the leg-end of her, and once at "Flash" WB, for her face, shirt, etc. I then blended the two with a mask.

Sad thing is--she hates her freckles. But she truly is the most kind-hearted and loving person I know.

The rest of the shoot, the non-movement part, is here. (http://davidrosenthal.smugmug.com/gallery/114293)

gubbs

Jun-22-2004, 12:59 PM

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5400203-M.jpg

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5400207-M.jpg

gubbs

Jun-22-2004, 01:01 PM

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5400201-M.jpg

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5400199-M.jpg

gubbs

Jun-22-2004, 01:04 PM

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5400196-M.jpg

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5400209-M.jpg

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5400211-M.jpg

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5400213-M.jpg

DavidTO

Jun-22-2004, 02:12 PM

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5400209-M.jpg

I like the colors

damonff

Jun-22-2004, 02:27 PM

Love this one Gubbs...

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5400209-M.jpg

bham

Jun-22-2004, 05:10 PM

Here are a few pics that I would like you feedback on. I like them all for different reasons, but want to get from everybody else.

#1
http://mcleod.smugmug.com/photos/5394069-L.jpg

#2
http://mcleod.smugmug.com/photos/5399285-M.jpg

#3
http://mcleod.smugmug.com/photos/5399286-M.jpg

#4
http://mcleod.smugmug.com/photos/5399287-M.jpg

#5
http://mcleod.smugmug.com/photos/5399288-M.jpg

DavidTO

Jun-22-2004, 05:21 PM

Here are a few pics that I would like you feedback on. I like them all for different reasons, but want to get from everybody else.

#3
http://mcleod.smugmug.com/photos/5399286-M.jpg

This one is very cool.

Wolf

Jun-22-2004, 05:26 PM

This one is very cool.
I have to agree, I think this is the best one of the lot!! Excellent job!

Wolf

Jun-22-2004, 05:27 PM

Oh, and Gubbs, that last one of your series, was the BOMB!! I really liked that one.

bham

Jun-22-2004, 05:29 PM

Thanks Wolf and DavidTO. I wasn't sure if it was too much motion.

ginger_55

Jun-22-2004, 06:11 PM

This one is very cool.
I, too, like the one with the blurred background, the shirtless man, etc.

I will tell you that Andy critcized my photos saying that he could accept the extreme blur in the subject if the background weren't blurred.

My take on the subject is that if you are panning with a subject the background is going to be blurred and that is accepted in the photography world. I just want to tell you that. I think that is on page 2 or 3, after I submitted a photo for the Challenge. I mean Andy's feedback is on page 2 o3r 3. So you can go read what he had to say. As I said, I do challenge that thinking.

Also, his critique in the last challenged, he mentioned a centered woman, that the centering of the woman bothered him, or something, so now I am afraid to center.

I am pretty sure that I am entering a blurred foreground, where the camera was panned, so the background will also be blurred. I am avoiding entering a centered object of interest. I think it is appropriate in some cases. In your case, it is very possible that some cropping could take your blurred shirtless man off center a bit. The rule of thirds is always good, but it does need something in the other 1/3, at least. I like to play with that kind of thing, placement. I do it, until it is just right, in my mind a lightbulb goes off, then I move the subject a bit more, if the lightbulb dims, I move it back to where the lightbulb comes on again. That may or may not be of help.

I have noticed sports pictures with ghosts in them. Everything is in focus except a person/object that is so blurred, I can only see it as a ghost, but can't ID the ghost. I will say, too, my own critique, only my own opinion, that I don't like those pictures. I have a picture in the Challenge that could be described that way. I like it because my "people" are so colorful they still maintain a definite feeling of solidity in my mind. It is totally abstract. I doubt that it is my final entry, though I thoroughly like it.

I don't know how you all feel about your ghosts, it is a very fine line, IMO.

I just had a moment, so I probably gave you more of a critique than you wanted. ginger

ginger_55

Jun-22-2004, 06:16 PM

I can't find a picture of Andy doing conventional sports. Do you do that subject Andy, if so, do you have any examples. Sports often are typical subjects thought of to show movement.
ginger

DavidTO

Jun-22-2004, 06:27 PM

Also, his critique in the last challenged, he mentioned a centered woman, that the centering of the woman bothered him, or something, so now I am afraid to center.
ginger

Ginger, just like the rules of grammar, the rules of photographic composition should be broken, that's what creates the unexpected and exciting. Not that you should always speak in broken grammar, but the old "To Boldly Go" or "To Go Boldly" argument stands.

Anyway, what I'm really trying to say is follow your heart, your gut, your muse. Maybe you'll make a boring picture that would be better served by not being centered, maybe you'll make a great shot that is centered. The important thing is to find your voice.

DavidTO

Jun-22-2004, 06:32 PM

Here's the shot of my daughter cropped and with the phantom lip-gloss removed. How'd I do with that? Does it look natural? I've been staring at it so long, I can't tell anymore.

I also tweaked the color slightly, and removed one thing on her foot that was distracting me.

Happy Feet, take two:

http://davidrosenthal.smugmug.com/photos/5410601-M.jpg

Thanks to all for your input.

dkapp

Jun-22-2004, 06:35 PM

I can't find a picture of Andy doing conventional sports. Do you do that subject Andy, if so, do you have any examples. Sports often are typical subjects thought of to show movement.
ginger

You like to challenge everything that Andy says or does. Sometimes an opinion is just an opinion...no need to go crazy with it.

I hope this helps and doesn't add any confusion.

Dave

ginger_55

Jun-22-2004, 07:03 PM

Well, if nothing else I will go boldly, but from now on, I am going to be able to say, self critique, as it were, why I am going boldly. This challenge I did not plan to enter, now I have 10 to 15 shots I would be proud to enter, boldly.
I don't think I plan to enter one that follows the "rules", if there are rules, in the sense that one has to do something. I don't plan on entering a centered photograph, this time, unless I were to enter the dog, and to be honest I don't really plan to do that. Even my dog lists loves that dog picture, they are tickled that my perfect dog is getting soaked.

There is the one in the challeng now, that is one I would put on my wall. It is the extreme abstract one on the top. I am not sure why I will probably not use it. I think one reason is that I cannot, at this point, argue strongly, where this shows movement, though it does to me. I can't say why. It is a bit over the top, not as safe, so to speak. And it was not my first choice.

http://gingersnap.smugmug.com/photos/5258880-M.jpg

The one above this writing was my first choice. I have not changed my mind about the picture, I am clear on why I like it, I definitely think it shows motion, and at the same time retains the integrity of the recognition factor, in other words, most people can tell what this is a picture of.
The background is blurred because I was panning with the child. (and I like the colors of the background, not really important here) That accounts for the blurred background. The child is recognizeable, I think, as a child, but is heavily blurred with motion. (Her tennis form is great here, not important either) But because of the form, she has one foot forward, one foot back, she is positioned a bit to the right, but is stepping towards the center of the picture, where the yellow ball is rolling on the court towards her (she is going to miss it, she has), but all together there is a perfect triangle of movement. Oh, and the lines on the ground are pretty clear indicating, if there was a question, that this is a tennis court.
To me this photo completes the assignment, shows movement, makes me happy, and I can say why......... and go on, but I won't. It has a failure, IMO, it lacks something, that is emotion, or obvious emotion. That is not in the assignment, but I like to see emotion, I have mentioned that, and I think others do, too. But this is the world of tennis, she is a child concentrating hard to do what the others are doing. I can feel the emotion. The excitement.

And that is what I have to say.
Except why does everyone like the darn dog? She is sleeping next to me.
I would never take my camera outside if it were raining that hard. But it was raining, a bit.

g

Andy

Jun-22-2004, 07:07 PM

i'm diggin' your self-critique ginger, and thank you for writing about it! i also dig that tennis girl, after looking at it for a few times it has grown on me :wink

Andy

Jun-22-2004, 07:11 PM

I, too, like the one with the blurred background, the shirtless man, etc.

I will tell you that Andy critcized my photos saying that he could accept the extreme blur in the subject if the background weren't blurred.

My take on the subject is that if you are panning with a subject the background is going to be blurred and that is accepted in the photography world. I just want to tell you that. I think that is on page 2 or 3, after I submitted a photo for the Challenge. I mean Andy's feedback is on page 2 o3r 3. So you can go read what he had to say. As I said, I do challenge that thinking.

Also, his critique in the last challenged, he mentioned a centered woman, that the centering of the woman bothered him, or something, so now I am afraid to center.

I am pretty sure that I am entering a blurred foreground, where the camera was panned, so the background will also be blurred. I am avoiding entering a centered object of interest. I think it is appropriate in some cases. In your case, it is very possible that some cropping could take your blurred shirtless man off center a bit. The rule of thirds is always good, but it does need something in the other 1/3, at least. I like to play with that kind of thing, placement. I do it, until it is just right, in my mind a lightbulb goes off, then I move the subject a bit more, if the lightbulb dims, I move it back to where the lightbulb comes on again. That may or may not be of help.

I have noticed sports pictures with ghosts in them. Everything is in focus except a person/object that is so blurred, I can only see it as a ghost, but can't ID the ghost. I will say, too, my own critique, only my own opinion, that I don't like those pictures. I have a picture in the Challenge that could be described that way. I like it because my "people" are so colorful they still maintain a definite feeling of solidity in my mind. It is totally abstract. I doubt that it is my final entry, though I thoroughly like it.

I don't know how you all feel about your ghosts, it is a very fine line, IMO.

I just had a moment, so I probably gave you more of a critique than you wanted. ginger

there's nothing wrong with central composition - in and of itself - but the primary reason behind the rule of thirds is that our eyes gravitate to the center of an image first, so having the subject on one of the thirds lines keeps the viewer engaged with the photo longer. (like your tennis girl, ginger) i'll used central compo when the scene & subject dictate... rules schmulez!

re: blurring - that's just a preference for me - but after plenty of thougthful consideration, i can see why it works in certain shots - again, like the tennis girl, or a car race, or a horse on the racetrack, etc etc... thanks for getting me to expand my views and perceptions on this!

wxwax

Jun-22-2004, 08:18 PM

Hey Seamaiden, I didn't want to offer a suggestion in the official submissions thread... but your bee shot is really cool. What if you used a slightly slower shutter speed, so that the moving bees were a bit blurred and the resting ones were crisp? I wonder how that would look? Are the leaves in the water still enough to remain sharp even with a longer exposure time?

gubbs

Jun-22-2004, 11:08 PM

gubbs

Jun-22-2004, 11:33 PM

http://gingersnap.smugmug.com/photos/5261781-S.jpg

http://gingersnap.smugmug.com/photos/5258880-S.jpg

http://gingersnap.smugmug.com/photos/5266478-S.jpg

Ginger, I'm not good with abstract stuff, I think I need a point of focus to maintain the reality, if you know what I mean?. I think the colours are very strong in the 1st shot but I prefer the other 2 & the 2nd one over the last one. I think because of the colours and racket pattern. I seem to like the shots that combine blurs and clarity.

As for the "darn dog" it catches a moment. The dogs expression, where he is, the rain, all tell the story very well. Its slightly abstract but the expression in his eye is clear....... :evil Rule of thirds might help though :D

Thanks for the message!!

gubbs

Jun-22-2004, 11:44 PM

Love this one Gubbs...
http://gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5400209-Th.jpg
Thanks Damon, David, spent nearly an hour here waiting for something interesting to come along

gubbs

Jun-22-2004, 11:45 PM

Oh, and Gubbs, that last one of your series, was the BOMB!! I really liked that one.
Thanks :D

SeeMoon

Jun-22-2004, 11:57 PM

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5400199-M.jpg

I really like this one, but find the part in front a bit distracting somehow..

I'm having a bit of a hard time giving comments, but that's a challenge then as well I guess. But to look at somebody elses pictures this way makes me more aware of what works and what doesn't, and if everybody just says what he/she thinks is nice..we're not going anywhere!

So; I think the top part is really strong and a bit overruled by the lower part..

Oh shoot..now it seems like I don't want anybody to say what's he/she think is nice; that's not what i mean! Am I the only one having trouble with this commenting?

gubbs

Jun-23-2004, 12:25 AM

I really like this one, but find the part in front a bit distracting somehow..

I'm having a bit of a hard time giving comments, but that's a challenge then as well I guess. But to look at somebody elses pictures this way makes me more aware of what works and what doesn't, and if everybody just says what he/she thinks is nice..we're not going anywhere!

So; I think the top part is really strong and a bit overruled by the lower part..

Oh shoot..now it seems like I don't want anybody to say what's he/she think is nice; that's not what i mean! Am I the only one having trouble with this commenting?
Thanks Simone,
I too have a hard time giving comments (unless of course they're good ones), I'm pretty new to all this and kinda think that I'm not qualified to comment.

I've always got a very strong feeling of what I like/dislike but am not always sure why.. The more pictures I look at, the more idea I have of these reasons.... and DG is a fantastic place to do this

I know how much I apreciate any comments, good or bad, so I thought what the heck, and am now trying to comment (time permitting) more and say why I like or dislike something.

......so keep the comments coming :D

As for the picture, I know what you mean, I did try cropping out the pavement but it seemed to upset the balance, I'll have go again this evening.

Thanks again

ginger_55

Jun-23-2004, 03:43 AM

[QUOTE=gubbs]

As for the "darn dog" it catches a moment. The dogs expression, where he is, the rain, all tell the story very well. Its slightly abstract but the expression in his eye is clear....... :evil Rule of thirds might help though :D

___________________

I thought about the fact that the dog is centered, thought about it last night.
I am of Andy's thinking on that, rules of thirds, or 10 o'clock, whatever, I think of them as suggstions, but do not feel bound by them. I was just saying that when I put up a picture here, well there, I am going to be able to explain why.
In fact, I am going to be able to explain why I put any picture up for a challenge, etc. Even if the explanation is that "I want to", but I am going to try to go beyond that...........

I would not change the placement on the dog, the light bulb went off with him at that position, but since I have not seriously considered that picture as a contender, I have not addressed the issue. I thought about that last night, too. I hope to address the dog today or tomorrow, I will definitely. I am not sure if I can say why I do deviate from a rule like the rule of thirds when I do.
Remember that is why I said I was choosing a shot over the others. I could explain it all.

I have admired center placement for almost as many years as I have admired Earnest Haas' blur. There was a period in my life, in the seventies, when I ate and breathed this stuff. I had four children, took care of them by day and spent the night in the darkroom. I was younger then. And I studied and studied, just read all I could. And I discovered that a well done center placement pleased me greatly. So I have not really tried to stay away from it, I know the "rules" (I took classes and went to workshops), but center placement was not an issue for me. Most of the time I was working for myself. Also the seminars and teachers that I had did encourage independent thinking, know the rules, then go forth and make a good photograph, not bound by rules. Now I have to go back and think, why it pleased me, or why it pleases me now, as in the dog picture. Or I could try changing the dog picture, might. Anyway, I have been thinking, have to get ready for tennis. Don't think I am taking my camera, lol.
ginger

ginger_55

Jun-23-2004, 03:47 AM

http://mcleod.smugmug.com/photos/5399286-S.jpg

Cool shot, great blend of blurs and focus. The converging lines give it depth & make you think he' s travelling to our left, but he must be going right?? (I think)
I like this better and better, he needs that left side to go into, but I would be aware. He is not really centered, as I thought.

Anyway, from what I know about sports, he is going to the right, can tell by looking at his feet and the lean of his body.

ginger (Did I say I have to get ready to play tennis, NOW)

tmlphoto

Jun-23-2004, 04:10 AM

"Morning Commute"

http://tmlphoto.smugmug.com/photos/5424582-L.jpg

lynnma

Jun-23-2004, 05:22 AM

Here are a few pics that I would like you feedback on. I like them all for different reasons, but want to get from everybody else.

#1

#2

#3
http://mcleod.smugmug.com/photos/5399286-M.jpg

#4

#5
I really like this one..great shot :D

lynnma

Jun-23-2004, 05:23 AM

"Morning Commute"

Thats a lovely shot tml, haunting and beautiful...

tmlphoto

Jun-23-2004, 08:40 AM

Also, my favorite of yours so far. Like the abstract bus v. the bars.

http://gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5400209-M.jpg[/QUOTE]

Sandy

Jun-23-2004, 09:11 AM

There are so many great shots it's going to hard to compete. Here are a few more from the park, the parade and walking the dog. This has been so much
fun, and I do think it is making me a better photographer.

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5429378-M.jpg

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5429381-M.jpg

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5429379-M.jpg

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5429380-M.jpg

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5429471-M.jpg

mercphoto

Jun-23-2004, 09:28 AM

"Morning Commute"
I love the colors in this picture, and the composition in general. The sun just off the water, birds obviously in motion. And that person walking in the distance. Really good shot.

How did you get that shot? Camera, lens, focal length, exposure settings, any filters? Thanks.

-- Bill

tmlphoto

Jun-23-2004, 09:44 AM

I love the colors in this picture, and the composition in general. The sun just off the water, birds obviously in motion. And that person walking in the distance. Really good shot.

How did you get that shot? Camera, lens, focal length, exposure settings, any filters? Thanks.

-- Bill
Thanks for the comments Bill.

Canon 10D
Caon 28-135 IS USM lens at 135 (approx. 210 in 35mm) Manual focus on infinity.
F/16 at 1/30th w/ tripod
ISO-100
White Balance - Sunny (to increase orange/yellow effect) No filter.
Cropped and slightly adjusted levels in PS CS. No color correction. At least not yet.

cmr164

Jun-23-2004, 10:21 AM

There are so many great shots it's going to hard to compete. Here are a few more from the park, the parade and walking the dog. This has been so much
fun, and I do think it is making me a better photographer.

I am far from being 'good' compared to others in this group, but if you don't mind I'll share some thoughts. http://www.dgrin.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

The clown/puppet one does not give me any feeling of motion so not for this challenge.

The kids on the swing are wonderful. Somefolks here might want to clone out the blue posts from the right and from behind the head.

The kid at bat would be also really nice but the caution horse folded up behind the batter messes it up badly. I am thinking that would be very hard to edit out.

The guy (playing basketball?) is also good, I probably would like to see his feet.

The woman with hat/flowers just doesn't ring any bells for me.

So...

My 2 favorites are the swing and the shirtless guy with the swing being the clear leader.

Just my thoughts...

SeeMoon

Jun-23-2004, 10:31 AM

The kids on the swing are wonderful. Somefolks here might want to clone out the blue posts from the right and from behind the head.

I agree! Lovely shot! When you look at this it seems hard to believe there's something else than just fun in this world; it makes me smile.. Great capture of movement too. :clap

Sandy

Jun-23-2004, 11:35 AM

Thank you for the comments...I like the kid on the swing too. The little guy pushing his friend was having so much fun. I'll work on this one.

lynnma

Jun-23-2004, 11:45 AM

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5429381-M.jpg

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5429471-M.jpg[/QUOTE]I love the kids on the swing too, I also love this one..woman in a top hat and flowers... has a touch of Dagas about it somehow.. I'd like the kids on the swing to have a little more punch, maybe a little saturation and contrast.. I don't know.. great shot.

tmlphoto

Jun-23-2004, 11:53 AM

[QUOTE=cmr164]
The kid at bat would be also really nice but the caution horse folded up behind the batter messes it up badly. I am thinking that would be very hard to edit out.

[QUOTE]

Sandy,
I hope you don't mind, I tried a little photoshop magic on your picture. I love the way you can see the boy looking right at the ball. Nice shot.

tmlphoto

Jun-23-2004, 11:58 AM

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5429381-M.jpg

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5429471-M.jpgI love the kids on the swing too, I also love this one..woman in a top hat and flowers... has a touch of Dagas about it somehow.. I'd like the kids on the swing to have a little more punch, maybe a little saturation and contrast.. I don't know.. great shot.[/QUOTE]
I also like the lady and the hat. Just the right amount of blur/motion. Abstract, but you know what it is. The white building? is a little distracting. Perhaps it could be cloned out? Really nice.

snapapple

Jun-23-2004, 01:07 PM

Here are a few whirlybird shots. I'd appreciate comments on your preferences etc. Thanks.
Snapapple
No. 1
http://snapapple.smugmug.com/photos/5434485-L.jpg

No. 2
http://snapapple.smugmug.com/photos/5434484-L.jpg

No. 3
http://snapapple.smugmug.com/photos/5434483-L.jpg

snapapple

Jun-23-2004, 01:13 PM

[QUOTE=SeeMoon]I really like this one, but find the part in front a bit distracting somehow..
http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5400199-M.jpg

I agree with SeeMoon about the foreground being distracting on this shot by Gubb. I would darken the foreground. Maybe some lighting effects would work to highlight the important parts. Just an idea.
Snappaple :huh

ginger_55

Jun-23-2004, 01:14 PM

It was the first day of the challenge, I wanted a picture, but did not want to go anywhere to get it, so it was outside with my very much photographed dogs.
They would not play, it was drizzling. Merry Chapel went into the topless enclosure to escape the rain, well, I sit on the walk, and I shoot any and everything. Never know. This is the first picture, the picture from whence all others came.

http://gingersnap.smugmug.com/photos/5434180-M.jpg

Not much, a few other shots, but just different head postition, and they were no better. I thought this was the best to work with. I tried a motion zoom. I had read about motion blur but never used it. Now I needed motion, I decided to play. So I did the zoon. Then I did the other one (senior moment), and it looked promising. Actually both the zooms helped. Then for kicks I went to sepia. That is how you all first saw it. Then I was reading about using noise for enhancing movement in another method, I decided to try it with my sepia shot. I liked it, so I traded and put that one in here. I never thought anything of that picture, I was so excited about the tennis shots, and I am, or am not, a purist. I did like that I had not had to do much with the tennis player, but that the dog was basically photoshopped. Besides, I have so many dog pictures, and "rain" for movement, I thought that was a bit funny and stretching the assignment. But I got comments. I didn't want to tell how heavily photoshopped it was as I had gotten the feeling that some other people are purists, to a degree, and I wanted to have that shot in my back pocket as a contender. Silly, because I always meant to tell how it was done. Then I realized that the dog was centered, and I wondered about that. Now I have cropped that photo in several different ways. You all could tell me what you think on the centering and the "10 o'clock type" placement. That is one of my favorites in composition. This is not an example of thirds, I am not sure what it is called. A grid is usually shown and different placements are shown according to the photograph and effect desired.

I like center placement. I am looking now for a book to take out of the library on composition, or maybe I will find the info on the internet. I brought home too many books for me to carry this morning. The man at the library carried them. But I have seen pictures in the past where center placement is used, and I love them. What comes to mind is the use of a vertical "S" as in a flower, not my usual thing, but it is usually an example, that is a simple example, there are many more complicated examples of center placement, but I think it is something you feel is right, or you don't. I want to look at more.

In this dog picture, I felt like the vine to my left kind of made the picture weighted to the left, with an "L" shape, another one of my favorites, but I just didn't know if it was strong enough to fly. OK, I have cropped that picture, here it is.

http://gingersnap.smugmug.com/photos/5434184-M.jpg

http://gingersnap.smugmug.com/photos/5434188-M.jpg

http://gingersnap.smugmug.com/photos/5276816-M.jpg

This is the one you all first saw with the small amt of noise in it. The head is centered, but I still like it, and I think it might be because of the vine to my left.

What say you all? And now you cannot say you don't know how this picture was done. It did give me something for the first day, I never dreamed it would come to here. ginger

(I signed on to correct a typo, now I am liking the first picture best.) It has the edge of the vine, the head is not exactly centered, but neither is it hanging in space. I think of the top picture as an L shape, modified....... not quite a classical type. I do like that one. Not that I am going to enter it. Sure wish one could enter three, this would definitely be one. Oh I think one needs that space on the right for the "rain" to come from. To those who say I think too much, I don't, not in placement, I do that by feel, but my feel tends to fit into one of the established examples, or at least I can explain it after the fact. The original picture, at the bottom here, I don't think it is as good as the top picture. Say you all, anything?

snapapple

Jun-23-2004, 01:26 PM

http://gingerSnap.smugmug.com/photos/5276816-M.jpg

This is the one you all first saw with the small amt of noise in it. The head is centered, but I still like it, and I think it might be because of the vine to my left.

I agree with you that it is fine to have some things centered. However, I kind of like this shot with the dog slightly to the left so he's looking into the picture. It helps to give me the feeling that he has somewhere to look. I wouldn't crop it too tight. I'd like a little less blur so there is a little more definition to the subject. However, it's all subjective. You have to be the final judge. I like the shot... Photoshop or not, photography is an art. Good job!! :clap

ginger_55

Jun-23-2004, 01:32 PM

[QUOTE=snapapple]Here are a few whirlybird shots. I'd appreciate comments on your preferences etc. Thanks.
Snapapple
No. 1
http://snapapple.smugmug.com/photos/5434485-L.jpg

Hi, thanks for the comments on the dog. On the whirly bird, I like the first one best for motion. ginger

ginger_55

Jun-23-2004, 01:39 PM

Sandy,
I hope you don't mind, I tried a little photoshop magic on your picture. I love the way you can see the boy looking right at the ball. Nice shot.[/QUOTE]____________________

I really like the way you fixed the batter, just love it. Did you move the ball?

That is something I don't know how to do. Wish we could have an assignment on it.

Anyway, it is my favorite now. The boys and the swing are good, but the batter is my favorite..........................with the ball moved, however that was done. Smile.

ginger

rutt

Jun-23-2004, 05:27 PM

Social motion didn't seem to cut it, so I looked for more concrete motion.

In the playground:

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5440595-L.jpg

Martial arts class for 100 children of parents at a conference:

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5440177-L.jpg

And I PS'ed away some color/brightness problems for an oldie (way back on 17 June):

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5441036-L.jpg

snapapple

Jun-23-2004, 05:38 PM

...and this was the last thing the audience saw of the dance:

I love this one! The simple silhouettes and the red.... Great!!
Snappy

tmlphoto

Jun-23-2004, 05:47 PM

"Beach Combing"

http://tmlphoto.smugmug.com/photos/5441336-L.jpg

I tried out some very long exposure shots at dusk tonight. Any comments? Pushing the limits of artistic blur, perhaps just blurry?

ginger_55

Jun-23-2004, 05:58 PM

"Beach Combing"

I tried out some very long exposure shots at dusk tonight. Any comments? Pushing the limits of artistic blur, perhaps just blurry?
I think the blur is fine, because it ends up with something recognizable, a little boy. I would have problems knowing that it was a beach, or what he is doing, but the blur is not a problem to me.

ginger

Sandy

Jun-23-2004, 10:15 PM

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5429381-M.jpg

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5429471-M.jpgI love the kids on the swing too, I also love this one..woman in a top hat and flowers... has a touch of Dagas about it somehow.. I'd like the kids on the swing to have a little more punch, maybe a little saturation and contrast.. I don't know.. great shot.[/QUOTE]
You're right lynn, the kids need more saturation. I really like the shot of the
lady in the hat too. I was lucky to get it as she wisked by, my digital is usually at rest. I love Quick Drink.

Sandy

Jun-23-2004, 10:17 PM

Thanks, that's great. Its a much better photo now.

[QUOTE=cmr164]
The kid at bat would be also really nice but the caution horse folded up behind the batter messes it up badly. I am thinking that would be very hard to edit out.

[QUOTE]

Sandy,
I hope you don't mind, I tried a little photoshop magic on your picture. I love the way you can see the boy looking right at the ball. Nice shot.

Sandy

Jun-23-2004, 10:21 PM

I would say artistic blur, it feels like your looking at the kids through a pane of glass. Great shot.

"Beach Combing"

http://tmlphoto.smugmug.com/photos/5441336-L.jpg

I tried out some very long exposure shots at dusk tonight. Any comments? Pushing the limits of artistic blur, perhaps just blurry?

rutt

Jun-24-2004, 02:50 AM

Another "digitally remastered" version of one of my favorite LL shots. Thanks to Ginger and her husband for cropping suggestions.

http://rutt.smugmug.com/photos/5450519-L.jpg

wxwax

Jun-24-2004, 03:17 AM

http://sandra.smugmug.com/photos/5429381-S.jpg

Classic shot, Sandy!

ginger_55

Jun-24-2004, 03:54 AM

tmlphoto

Jun-24-2004, 04:24 AM

The lady with the flowers, the Degas shot, it is really growing on me.
I like it a lot by now.

Also, I would love to know how the baseball background and ball were done.
(was it a whole lot of work?) (I get impatient at a lot of work)

Rutt, I like what you did with the cropping a lot.

(I just have to straighten out the facts on my husband and me re your shot, Rutt. I have to take all the credit there. Immodesty requires me to take all the credit. My husband just thought it needed more space on the right side, so I guess you would have had to throw it out. His comments are always taken by me as a challenge, so I worked on it, knew it would work, even my husband then admitted it did (always happens). I will say your cropping was the best.....I think. I did not think you would want me messing with your photo, so I never told you I had.)

ginger (went to sleep early and couldn't wake up, til now 7 AM EDT USA)
Ginger, I used the clone stamp tool in Photoshop to clone out the sign and move the baseball. It only took about 5 min to do this, but it would take a little more time to really do a professional job. This tool is available on both PS elements and PS CS. Basically, you clone or copy one part of the picture to another with a round "brush". The size selected depends on the area you are cloning. I'm sure Cletus can give many more details. For the baseball I selected the tool size to match the ball and then cloned it to a new location with just a couple of quick clicks. The best way to master this tool is the play around with it. This tool is also very useful for touching up small facial blemishes and other distacting elements in a picture. There is also a "healing" brush available that is similar, but somehow matches the area better. I'm sure others know alot more about this than I do.

lynnma

Jun-24-2004, 04:49 AM

Social motion didn't seem to cut it, so I looked for more concrete motion.

In the playground:

Martial arts class for 100 children of parents at a conference:

And I PS'ed away some color/brightness problems for an oldie (way back on 17 June):

I like the one with the child at the wheel at playtime..

lynnma

Jun-24-2004, 08:01 AM

cant use this as it's not fresh but have nothing new to post and want to join in:D

spockling

Jun-24-2004, 08:37 AM

Here's my daughter leaping off a rock. Thoughts? Comments?

Seamaiden

Jun-24-2004, 08:49 AM

First thought: "Good girl! Jump higher!"

Second thought: "Hhmm.. I like the intensity of color here, that BRIGHT blue sky framing all her little girl colors of clothing and jewelry." This is one shot where it seems to really be all about the color.

ginger_55

Jun-24-2004, 08:54 AM

cant use this as it's not fresh but have nothing new to post and want to join in:D
Lynn, I am dizy.........lol. why don't you go in the kitchen, run some water and take a picture of it. Or take a bath.............. I know there would be movement there. g

ginger_55

Jun-24-2004, 08:57 AM

Here's my daughter leaping off a rock. Thoughts? Comments?
I think you are a pro, or a natural, and I don't want to hear any more about you being new at this. Also, I have moved out of the way for fear your daughter might land on me, so effective is the feeling of movement, imo.

ginger (Love kids, that angle is genius)

spockling

Jun-24-2004, 09:06 AM

I think you are a pro, or a natural, and I don't want to hear any more about you being new at this. Also, I have moved out of the way for fear your daughter might land on me, so effective is the feeling of movement, imo.

ginger (Love kids, that angle is genius)
Ginger, Thanks for the kind words:nod , but as Shakey will atest to, I am a newbie. Me thinks I was just lucky.

bham

Jun-24-2004, 09:42 AM

http://mcleod.smugmug.com/photos/5399286-S.jpg

Cool shot, great blend of blurs and focus. The converging lines give it depth & make you think he' s travelling to our left, but he must be going right?? (I think)
Yes I do believe he was moving to the right, if I recall correctly.

Just FYI the only photoshop adjustment done was a slight level adjustment.

I to liked this the best of the bunch, but I thought it might have too much blur. Thanks for the feedback.

Shakey

Jun-24-2004, 10:09 AM

Here's my daughter leaping off a rock. Thoughts? Comments?Great Capture! That is a keeper! Good aspect and colors it certainly speaks movement to me.

And that is not luck at all that is the result of a well thought out idea or the
Initiative to explore new aspects ! Well done

Tim

spockling

Jun-24-2004, 10:34 AM

Or is this one better?

Shakey

Jun-24-2004, 10:36 AM

color, colour, color (IMO):D

tmlphoto

Jun-24-2004, 10:49 AM

"Fleeing the Storm"

http://tmlphoto.smugmug.com/photos/5461035-L.jpg

ginger_55

Jun-24-2004, 11:11 AM

Or is this one better?
I like all the color............can I just say "no"

g

ginger_55

Jun-24-2004, 11:14 AM

"Fleeing the Storm"

In a few months you can do that. Right now, the kid, so far that I have seen.
(I think the bird is out of focus, and I also think there are people here who could do that better in a composite, but I don't think anyone could do the kid, just my humble opinion, as always.) g

tmlphoto

Jun-24-2004, 01:15 PM

In a few months you can do that. Right now, the kid, so far that I have seen.
(I think the bird is out of focus, and I also think there are people here who could do that better in a composite, but I don't think anyone could do the kid, just my humble opinion, as always.) g
I think you are right. I changed the picture to a photoshop composite that works much better. Thanks for the comments. I think that I like my other picture better as well. I'm kinda getting into an abstract mood this week.

gubbs

Jun-24-2004, 01:58 PM

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5462015-L.jpg

gubbs

Jun-24-2004, 02:11 PM

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5462138-L.jpg

gubbs

Jun-24-2004, 02:27 PM

http://davidrosenthal.smugmug.com/photos/5410601-Th.jpg

David, I really like this picture of your daughter, could be my screen but I find the grass almost dayglo????

Andy

Jun-24-2004, 02:54 PM

please pick *one* image, gubby :deal

if you are looking for help, post 'em in the comments and critiques thread...

thanks!

DavidTO

Jun-24-2004, 03:04 PM

http://davidrosenthal.smugmug.com/photos/5410601-Th.jpg

David, I really like this picture of your daughter, could be my screen but I find the grass almost dayglo????

It is pretty intense. I did nothing to it (color/levels-wise), beyond RAW conversion. I did two conversions, one for the background and one for the fore, since I used fill flash and the two color temps were noticebaly different. I'll revisit the conversion, especially on the background layer.

I imagine that it's right on the borderline, and the wrong combo with monitor could throw it over the edge. At one point I did try pulling back on the saturation (post-RAW conversion) and it looked weird, but maybe if I pull back on the saturation in the RAW conversion I'll have better luck.

ginger_55

Jun-24-2004, 03:41 PM

please pick *one* image, gubby :deal

if you are looking for help, post 'em in the comments and critiques thread...

thanks!_______________

Is this not the comments and critiques thread?
ginger

damonff

Jun-24-2004, 03:51 PM

David, I think the really green grass works well. I'd keep it that way. It accentuates the pastel colors, pink and blue. It also helps with the moving legs.It is pretty intense. I did nothing to it (color/levels-wise), beyond RAW conversion. I did two conversions, one for the background and one for the fore, since I used fill flash and the two color temps were noticebaly different. I'll revisit the conversion, especially on the background layer.

I imagine that it's right on the borderline, and the wrong combo with monitor could throw it over the edge. At one point I did try pulling back on the saturation (post-RAW conversion) and it looked weird, but maybe if I pull back on the saturation in the RAW conversion I'll have better luck.

damonff

Jun-24-2004, 03:52 PM

Gubbs, this one is really cool. The pigeon in the middle (profile) looks like he's late for work. Great job.http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5462138-L.jpg

damonff

Jun-24-2004, 03:53 PM

Love the subtle silhouette, Thomas. Nice work."Fleeing the Storm"

http://tmlphoto.smugmug.com/photos/5461035-L.jpg

DavidTO

Jun-24-2004, 04:01 PM

David, I think the really green grass works well. I'd keep it that way. It accentuates the pastel colors, pink and blue. It also helps with the moving legs.

Thank you all for your input on the grass. I pulled it back just a bit in the RAW conversion. Let me know what you think.

Happy Feet, less intense green grass.

http://davidrosenthal.smugmug.com/photos/5464636-M.jpg

for reference, here's the more intense grass:

http://davidrosenthal.smugmug.com/photos/5410601-M.jpg

damonff

Jun-24-2004, 04:06 PM

The old one has more happy yellow in the middle. It's missing from the new one.

DavidTO

Jun-24-2004, 04:21 PM

The old one has more happy yellow in the middle. It's missing from the new one.

I was just looking at that and noticing it when I read your post. I'm gonna spend some time on this and try to get it right...

gubbs

Jun-24-2004, 11:52 PM

please pick *one* image, gubby :deal

if you are looking for help, post 'em in the comments and critiques thread...

thanks!
andy, I'm confused, did I put these in the wrong thread and you've moved them, or are not in the thread you thought you were....
.... well thats clear :D

gubbs

Jun-24-2004, 11:59 PM

Thank you all for your input on the grass. I pulled it back just a bit in the RAW conversion. Let me know what you think.
Happy Feet, less intense green grass.
for reference, here's the more intense grass:
I'm feeling guilty now, I prefer the brighter one.....sorry :D

Just seen your submission :thumb

Andy

Jun-25-2004, 02:15 AM

andy, I'm confused, did I put these in the wrong thread and you've moved them, or are not in the thread you thought you were....
.... well thats clear :D

pay no attention the brain fart your benevolent host just had.

Andy

Jun-25-2004, 02:20 AM

:deal

:deal

you vote right here if you haven't already done so. this ain't florida y'know (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=1713)

DavidTO

Jun-25-2004, 06:36 AM

I'm feeling guilty now, I prefer the brighter one.....sorry :D

Just seen your submission :thumb

Well, for a number of reasons, I now prefer the newer one. But I looked again, based on your comment, and decided that what the newer version was missing was some contrast on the background, so I boosted the contrast back there (the legs pop a bit more now) and reposted it as my final submission. I think it gives the intensity of the original without the dayglo quality.

wxwax

Jun-25-2004, 06:41 AM

pay no attention the brain fart your benevolent host just had.

:lol3 I was wondering! You're doing a terrific job Andy, I'm beginning to realize how many hours you spend doing this, both here and at dpreview.

Andy

Jun-25-2004, 06:45 AM

:lol3 I was wondering! You're doing a terrific job Andy, I'm beginning to realize how many hours you spend doing this, both here and at dpreview.

the hard part these two week is that i'm hosting stf challenge 71 also, because i won the last challenge, number 70. so, a lot of critiques need to be done there, too!

the topic is all about wide angle, and if you are interested, click here (http://www.pbase.com/stfchallenge/challenge_71)

HarveyMushman

Jun-25-2004, 07:36 AM

These are a about a month old and therefore not eligible for the challenge voting but I thought I'd put 'em up here for comment. I am reasonably pleased with them generally but welcome any insight on how I might improve my technique next time.

Both were captured mid-day from the water fountain in front of the Library of Congress, Washington D.C.

http://harveymushman.smugmug.com/photos/4575485-L.jpg

http://harveymushman.smugmug.com/photos/4575480-L.jpg

ginger_55

Jun-25-2004, 08:04 AM

I like your picture, the avatar, Andy.

g

Andy

Jun-25-2004, 08:08 AM

I like your picture, the avatar, Andy.

g

my friend, daniel chui, was in nyc the other day and i got the pleasure of "being shot" for an hour. thanks for noticing, ginger :wink

he has some shots of me, and others, on his main page (http://www.chewyphoto.com)

gubbs

Jun-25-2004, 02:45 PM

Ok.. a few more
http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5491340-L.jpg

gubbs

Jun-25-2004, 02:48 PM

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5491343-L.jpg

gubbs

Jun-25-2004, 02:49 PM

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5491350-L.jpg

gubbs

Jun-25-2004, 02:51 PM

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5491355-L.jpg

snapapple

Jun-25-2004, 02:53 PM

"Fleeing the Storm"

http://tmlphoto.smugmug.com/photos/5461035-L.jpg

I love the colors and the soft outline of the bird. Looks like motion to me. I like the blur, it's part of the motion thing. Good motion, good composition, good mood. It's got good stuff going for it, in my humble opinion. :D

gubbs

Jun-25-2004, 02:54 PM

This was taken through a really dirty window... any tips on how to tidy it up would be apreciated.......
http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5491367-L.jpg

snapapple

Jun-25-2004, 02:54 PM

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5491350-L.jpg

I don't see motion here. :scratch

snapapple

Jun-25-2004, 02:56 PM

http://Gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5491355-L.jpg
This is a cool shot. Lots of motion, the main subject in focus. This is where the composition looks good with the subject in the center. I like this. :clap

snapapple

Jun-25-2004, 03:02 PM

Or is this one better?

The B&W doesn't do it for me. I think the color makes it. Great action here! The colors just say, "Little girl". :clap

gubbs

Jun-25-2004, 03:03 PM

I don't see motion here. :scratch your right, there's no blurs but you know the train has just left???
I just liked the shot and wanted it sharp TBH I didn't think about movement and was lucky to get the train

snapapple

Jun-25-2004, 03:08 PM

http://www.dgrin.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1656&stc=1
Mystic7,
I like the motion, the fact that both feet are off the ground. I think it has a little too much sand on top and on the left. I think a little cropping would help. It would bring the guy closer too. He gets lost in the sand, I think. Just my opoinion. I do like it a lot.
:D

snapapple

Jun-25-2004, 03:15 PM

Another shot I am mulling over but this is more of a freeze frame capture.
Untitled
http://shakey.smugmug.com/photos/5257904-L.jpg

Tim
Tim, I like the subject here. Maybe you could add some PS motion to the kid only. I would try to darken the head in the front so it isn't so distracting, or crop. Anyway, I think it could be real good with some slight changes. It's got good action and the kid is nice.
:D

gubbs

Jun-25-2004, 03:15 PM

Andy, this one shot stuff is tough. I spend so much time looking and adjusting my pictures it becomes difficult to remain objective.... I think I need to concentrate on what does it for me :dunno

Tough, but I'm enjoying it!!!!

snapapple

Jun-25-2004, 03:47 PM

Car No. 1
http://snapapple.smugmug.com/photos/5491665-L.jpg

Car No. 2
http://snapapple.smugmug.com/photos/5491650-L.jpg

I know cars have been done, but I see good motion here.

Whirlie No. 1
http://snapapple.smugmug.com/photos/5434483-L.jpg

Whirlie No. 2
http://snapapple.smugmug.com/photos/5434485-L.jpg

The Whirlie was spinning so fast that I couldn't even see it. The camera froze some of the motion and leaves some neat abstract sort of patterns. That's my vegetable garden in the background. I have spinners to keep the birds away. It may work in the daytime, but the rabbits and squirrels get in at night. At least the spinners are good for photo subjects.

Andy this is sooooo tough. How do I chose just one?
Somebody help me, please. Some constructive criticism? :dunno

tmlphoto

Jun-25-2004, 06:26 PM

Another shot I am mulling over but this is more of a freeze frame capture.
Untitled
http://shakey.smugmug.com/photos/5257904-L.jpg

Tim
I like this one. I think that the foreground head adds interest and perspective.

tmlphoto

Jun-25-2004, 06:29 PM

A little night shooting.

http://wxwax.smugmug.com/photos/5270060-L.jpg
Very cool shot Sid. I like it alot. I would clone out the power lines in the upper right corner, otherwise I like it as it is.

tmlphoto

Jun-25-2004, 06:35 PM

This is my first challenge entry, and although I know the water droplet thing has been done before, I would appreciate your comments. Thanks
http://members.shaw.ca/betlin/Contests/Movement.jpg
Nice shot. Maybe better in black and white. The color blob at the top is a little distracting. What do you think?

tmlphoto

Jun-25-2004, 06:39 PM

Thanks Wolf and DavidTO. I wasn't sure if it was too much motion.
I like the third one as well. The motion is just right IMHO. Very cool shot.

tmlphoto

Jun-25-2004, 06:48 PM

Love the subtle silhouette, Thomas. Nice work.Thanks Damon.

tmlphoto

Jun-25-2004, 06:50 PM

Ok.. a few more
http://gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5491340-L.jpgThis is my favorite of yours so far.

tmlphoto

Jun-25-2004, 06:54 PM

Whirlie #1 is my favorite.

DavidTO

Jun-25-2004, 06:56 PM

Whirlie #1 is my favorite.

I agree

tmlphoto

Jun-25-2004, 07:07 PM

Thats a lovely shot tml, haunting and beautiful...
Thanks Lynne. Do you think it qualifies as enough movement for the contest theme? It is my favorite, but not sure about the theme. "Beach Combing" is my other choice. Any advice would be appreciated.

DavidTO

Jun-25-2004, 07:23 PM

Thanks Lynne. Do you think it qualifies as enough movement for the contest theme? It is my favorite, but not sure about the theme. "Beach Combing" is my other choice. Any advice would be appreciated.

They're both great shots. I think that it the bird qualifies for the theme. To tell the truth, I think that finding ways to imply movement without relying on blur is a good thing, and more difficult. No offense to me or any other photographer that uses blur to imply motion, but anyone can use a slow shutter speed to show movement. It's much harder to use a slow shutter speed and get a good shot, to be sure, but I think the hardest thing of all is to get a good shot implying movement without blur. Movement is very tough, maybe especially for me, since I'm a film editor, and every day I use movement itself to show movement. Movement is one of the most important things I have to pull from in my work. Finding it in still images is a good and expanding challenge for me.

snapapple

Jun-25-2004, 08:27 PM

your right, there's no blurs but you know the train has just left???
I just liked the shot and wanted it sharp TBH I didn't think about movement and was lucky to get the train

Yes, I can tell the train has just left. This is one you have to look at for a while. You really don't have to use blur to show motion. It's just the most common way. We don't have to be "common" do we? Anyway, it is a nice shot. The contrast and sharpnes are good. Tough to decide what the judges will think about the motion. This "one shot" thing makes it soooo hard. -- Snappy

wxwax

Jun-26-2004, 06:50 AM

Very cool shot Sid. I like it alot. I would clone out the power lines in the upper right corner, otherwise I like it as it is.

Yikes, I can't see them! Thanks for the suggestion. I think I got them.

http://wxwax.smugmug.com/photos/5507948-M.jpg

ginger_55

Jun-26-2004, 07:10 AM

Yes, I can tell the train has just left. This is one you have to look at for a while. You really don't have to use blur to show motion. It's just the most common way. We don't have to be "common" do we? Anyway, it is a nice shot. The contrast and sharpnes are good. Tough to decide what the judges will think about the motion. This "one shot" thing makes it soooo hard. -- Snappy

Between you and David, I am feeling a bit challenged here. Don't know if I have the time or the talent. Can't think of a good theme right off hand. I keep thinking of the darn hawk, and that wouldn't be bad enough, but there is the glove................. I don't got me one of those. I have been toying with the idea of taking my cat up to the roof and dropping her off, but that might show blur. If I got me an aggressive appearing dog...................... I wonder, I laugh to think that I could make one of my dogs look dangerous, but........ I can't do it until tomorrow, as I don't have my assistant, he is off reading mags at work and stuff, you know real photography. g

(good pictures)

ginger_55

Jun-26-2004, 07:20 AM

your right, there's no blurs but you know the train has just left???
I just liked the shot and wanted it sharp TBH I didn't think about movement and was lucky to get the train_________________________________________

I like the one through the dirty window. I can't figure out what everyone else likes on about three photos here, and I suspect that we don't agree....
Such is art, smile.

Yes, the beach runner, I would try something.............and cropping would be what I would try.

The last one with the car and whirlie, I think I like the whirlie, but not crazy about any of them.

If I am not crazy about any photos here, please don't take it personally, I am tired of my own photos, don't much like them anymore, and I used to think they were the bomb, or whatever expression is in now.

I keep telling myself to leave it be, we start a new Challenge next week.

ginger

Bryan

Jun-26-2004, 07:56 AM

ginger_55

Jun-26-2004, 08:18 AM

This is the roller coaster at California Adventure.

and a swing ride

http://gifford-family.smugmug.com/photos/5508599-M.jpg

What do you think?
I like the swing ride better, though I would have really, really liked the roller coaster if you could slow it down a bit, so we could ID the roller coaster.
Any chance you might be going back tonight? I love the picture of the swing ride, but I don't ID that very well, either. I just don't go to fun parks much.
In order to show motion, I think the subject "moving, or meaning to move, or whatever" I think that subject needs to be able to be identifiable even if blurred, that is my opinion, not the most important one. I love the reflections. I think it would be more difficult to catch this and the swings so that I knew what it was, than it would be with the roller coaster. I would go back, if I could. It is a very good idea, IMO.
ginger
ginger

wxwax

Jun-26-2004, 08:58 AM

http://gifford-family.smugmug.com/photos/5508599-S.jpg
What do you think?

I really like this one, and think you might try something different, if you can get back there.

Make your exposure longer, so that the moving parts appear to be solid. I've seen it done, and it looks very cool. (Maybe frame it horizontally, too? :dunno)

This is the shot I've been aching to take for this challenge, but we don't have a fair or a moving device that I can think of that would work.

Bryan

Jun-26-2004, 09:15 AM

Thanks for your thoughts on the swing, It was tough, I had no tripod, But it was shot at iso 800, could have dropped it back to increase the exposure, but I was afraid of the shakes, I used a rail to help support the camera, but the ferris wheel would vibrate the rail. The joies of the unprepared photog.

Here is a different Roller Coster, Ginger my like the movement capture more on this... But the ride is so busy with all the steel. I still like it. I like the face on the far wall on the middle right, it about sums up the faces on the ride.

http://gifford-family.smugmug.com/photos/5510726-M.jpg

snapapple

Jun-26-2004, 10:41 AM

Whirlie #1 is my favorite.

Thanks for the input, Thomas. I like #1 also, but do you think it's better than car #2? Of course these are nothing compared to all the other great shots here, but I just want to join in. It's fun to think about the challenge as I go about my daily life. I keep forgetting to bring my camera when I go out. This morning there was a roadrunner in the yard! Oh well.
Snappy

snapapple

Jun-26-2004, 10:45 AM

Yikes, I can't see them! Thanks for the suggestion. I think I got them.

http://wxwax.smugmug.com/photos/5507948-M.jpg

It looks great now!! The fish demonstrates motion as much as the man walking. The contrast is great too.
Snappy

snapapple

Jun-26-2004, 10:47 AM

This is my favorite of yours so far.

http://gubbs.smugmug.com/photos/5491340-L.jpg
I think it's my favorite too.
Snappy :D

snapapple

Jun-26-2004, 10:51 AM

This is the roller coaster at California Adventure.

http://gifford-family.smugmug.com/photos/5508598-M.jpg

and a swing ride

http://gifford-family.smugmug.com/photos/5508599-M.jpg

What do you think?

Yes the swing shows great motion, has terrific color and textures, good night shot, motion in the water too. Good all around. :D

snapapple

Jun-26-2004, 11:15 AM

_________________________________________

I like the one through the dirty window. I can't figure out what everyone else likes on about three photos here, and I suspect that we don't agree....
Such is art, smile.

Yes, the beach runner, I would try something.............and cropping would be what I would try.

The last one with the car and whirlie, I think I like the whirlie, but not crazy about any of them.

If I am not crazy about any photos here, please don't take it personally, I am tired of my own photos, don't much like them anymore, and I used to think they were the bomb, or whatever expression is in now.

I keep telling myself to leave it be, we start a new Challenge next week.

ginger

Ginger, some days we're excited, and some days we're not. It just shows how hard it is to judge these things. The styles are all so different. I'd say we have to look long and hard at each picture. First does it answer the challenge question? Movement, blurred or not. Then, is it a good photo? Good composition, technique, etc.? "People" shots are great, but a completely different idea from something that shows design or pattern, colors or contrasts. In a way, it's like comparing apples and oranges. We have to take each on it's own merrit, not compared to the others.
So, I just want to participate. I havn't been out doing active things lately. Not much "movement" in my life. I'm just sticking to my "cardiac walking program". Photography is a great diversion, keeps me from lapsing into depression. I really enjoy looking at all the great contributions here. A great learning experience! If we're not crazy about the pictures we took this week, we can still try to pick the best of the batch and join in for the fun of it. Let's keep enjoying (challenge) photography! :rofl

wxwax

Jun-26-2004, 02:19 PM

Just for fun.

http://wxwax.smugmug.com/photos/5519488-L.jpg

Andy

Jun-26-2004, 04:09 PM

i'm really enjoying watching everyone helping each other. this is great stuff, we can all learn from this.

so nice to see everyone playing in the same sandbox so nicely :wink

wxwax

Jun-26-2004, 04:27 PM

So shoot me.... 'nother version. :evil

http://wxwax.smugmug.com/photos/5522383-L.jpg

DavidTO

Jun-26-2004, 04:37 PM

So shoot me.... 'nother version. :evil

took me a while to see what you did...prefer the original

AltPro

Jun-26-2004, 08:14 PM

When we were given this assignment, I sort of knew just what I wanted to do... But the boys had to be driven to camp, and we were in someone elses car... Then the cats, and picking the boys up, and ex-son-in-law in the hospital tonight... Finally... on the way back the opportunity arose... I jumped out of my car... ran up, camera in hand and shot off 8 frames until the gate lifted... and the traffic began to move...
The end product rings closely to:
"My Life"
http://throughthelensltd.smugmug.com/photos/5526691-L.jpg
ginette

AltPro

Jun-26-2004, 08:33 PM

Tennis Balls on the Window Sill

http://gingerSnap.smugmug.com/photos/5525552-M.jpg

http://gingerSnap.smugmug.com/photos/5525784-M.jpg

Ginger...
I really like the color and movement of these two... the lime-ish green, softened by the movement, against the white... The added texture of the screening in the top one... They remind me of spring. Fun images.
Really nice. I've enjoyed watching your work.
ginette

damonff

Jun-26-2004, 08:40 PM

I like this one Ginette. It's cool that you were in the middle of craziness and you saw a photo opportunity. That's a sign of a true photographer...always ready...

wxwax

Jun-26-2004, 08:54 PM

Ginger, ypou wouldn't happen to be fond of that picture of the girl playing tennis, would you? :rofl I too like the colors of the lime against the white.

Altpro, I like your idea. I saw a postcard last week that made me envious. Same scene, daylight... and a kid sitting on the barrier watching the train go by. Perfect.

ginger_55

Jun-26-2004, 09:34 PM

[QUOTE=wxwax]Ginger, ypou wouldn't happen to be fond of that picture of the girl playing tennis, would you? :rofl I too like the colors of the lime against the white.
_________________

I love that high key old fashioned wood and tennis ball look, so I went with it.
I chose the one with three balls, as I thought it showed movement best. One of my favorites, I thought was a shot more for a "light" driven Challenge. I did have a picture of those tennis balls that I had managed to make yellow, and I used that. The darn balls are yellow, and the camera turns them green. They definitely must have a green cast as it is very difficult to get out. But we perceive them as yellow. So I chose that.
The composition was good, rule of thirds, plus three balls, the white wood, well I loved that, so I went with it. I was there this afternoon taking the pictures. The place was closed up, except that porch, no one else was there. Rocking chairs, and everything, wonderful feeling.......... After tennis, or while there are matches going on it is the place to sit in the shade, rock in the chairs, watch the tennis and talk. They are public courts, but are not free.

I am glad someone else likes that high key look, too. I hope "yellow" tennis balls don't confuse people who have only seen them as our cameras do.
ginger, smile

ginger_55

Jun-26-2004, 09:44 PM

Ginger...
I really like the color and movement of these two... the lime-ish green, softened by the movement, against the white... The added texture of the screening in the top one... They remind me of spring. Fun images.
Really nice. I've enjoyed watching your work.
ginetteOh, gosh, Ginette. I, too, like that screen in the top one. And there is one I love the colors in, as the ball fell, it was just a blur, so it just adds a tint on green on the way down, no ball, just the nice pastel look. I went with the one with three balls, as I thought the movement was more obvious. However, they look a bit less like tennis balls, it was a difficult choice, but it was about movement.

Would you go look at the one I submitted and get back to me, the balls are yellow, we see them as yellow, I have never in my life seen a green tennis ball. Something in their makeup makes them photograph green, it is a pretty green, it was just that in the one shot I could change it to the way it really looks. Yes, I felt it was a very spring like look. I loved the colors. I was the only one there today, it is soooo nice, it really is, better than the photograph even. I will probably keep photographing challenges there, if it is appropriate. It would be very good for lighting.

But would you go see if you think I made a mistake going with the yellow rather than the greenish cast, please. I can change it.

ginger (I didn't know that was your train, I love it. I think Andy should, well, I would hate to be Andy. A lot of very good stuff.)
Did you notice, I got me a new avatar out of that assignment. Love the avatars.

AltPro

Jun-27-2004, 07:28 AM

I like this one Ginette. It's cool that you were in the middle of craziness and you saw a photo opportunity. That's a sign of a true photographer...always ready...
Thanks Damon, Thanks Sid...
I greatly appreciate the comments.
This one was my favorite, and unless I can get something else today, it will be the "one," but here are the other two I considered of the lot of 8...
What do y'all think? Did I put up the right one?
ginette

2152
http://throughthelensltd.smugmug.com/photos/5535790-L.jpg

2155
http://throughthelensltd.smugmug.com/photos/5535822-L.jpg

wxwax

Jun-27-2004, 07:37 AM

AltPro

Jun-27-2004, 08:05 AM

Would you go look at the one I submitted and get back to me, the balls are yellow, we see them as yellow, I have never in my life seen a green tennis ball. Something in their makeup makes them photograph green, it is a pretty green, it was just that in the one shot I could change it to the way it really looks. Yes, I felt it was a very spring like look. I loved the colors. I was the only one there today, it is soooo nice, it really is, better than the photograph even. I will probably keep photographing challenges there, if it is appropriate. It would be very good for lighting.

But would you go see if you think I made a mistake going with the yellow rather than the greenish cast, please. I can change it.

ginger
Ginger,
If you are asking MHO regarding the two photos, I honestly prefer
http://gingersnap.smugmug.com/photos/5525784-M.jpg

over

http://gingersnap.smugmug.com/photos/5528132-M.jpg

I like the "Lime-ish" cast, against the aged white paint and the crevaces in the wood. I would (perhaps)just brighten the first one a tad...

http://ThroughTheLensLtd.smugmug.com/photos/5536637-M.jpg
When I brightened the first photo a bit, what I noticed is the reflection of the lime-ish color cast on the white paint in the upper right of the photo, which is very realistic. Like holding a buttercup under a childs chin... I sort of like that... But like I say, this is just a thought, a mild opinion at best. I really like the concept and the shot, overall. And now that I see them all, I am even more at odds... The first has a sort of whistful feel... The second and third more tied to reality, if you can see what I am saying... Sorry, if I made it worse? Maybe when they are all posted, in a row...
ginette

AltPro

Jun-27-2004, 08:16 AM

Hmm, tougher call than I thought it would be, Alty. Each has something going for it. The bottom one shows a gap below the train, which I like because for some reason I get a sense of the wheels. The middle one has the best composition, IMHO. But I think I vote for the top one, because of the contrast between the sharp barrier and the blurred train. Sid... It's really tough for me but I still think I may prefer my first one, titled "My Life." But what I like about 2152 is that about mid-frame, far right, you can see the opposite sides "Train Signal" between the cars of the moving train. This would have been my choice, except that in

"My Life" 2153
http://throughthelensltd.smugmug.com/photos/5526691-M.jpg

there is more clarity-less blur in the crossing gate, which fixes the image more, in my minds eye. I also liked the reflection of the gate lights on the roadway below...
Decisions, decisions... I am appreciative of all comments...
If the rain holds off, I may try again today,,, but the weather is not looking good...
ginette

ginger_55

Jun-27-2004, 12:56 PM

Called Summertime.

http://gingersnap.smugmug.com/photos/5548779-L.jpg

http://gingerSnap.smugmug.com/photos/5556443-L.jpg

http://gingerSnap.smugmug.com/photos/5556439-L.jpg

http://gingerSnap.smugmug.com/photos/5551316-L.jpg

I went with this one. I combined Ginettes advice with David's. I went with the yellow, for me, I like yellow tennis balls. I was thrown a bit since everyone liked the green cast, so I went with that for awhile. And I figured that there was a point somewhere to that. Everytime I looked at the yellow balls, I would think that the photo didn't seem to have the softness that the other ones did. So, I lightened it a bit, as Ginette had suggested lightening the green a smidgen, so I did that with the yellow. I like it better.

I would like to point out some good things I see in the photo. The rule of thirds with the wall, it goes 2/3 of the way over then does a jig jag. There are three tennis balls. On the far right at the top, triangled over to what looks like it might be plywood, over on the bottow left, and then up to the window sill. So that color is actually in a triangle of three. When I was working on the photo, I noticed that under the window sill there was a bit of yellow, or the butter cupping effect that Ginette talked about.

The picture is very high key, an effect I really like. The balls are blurred, but retain the fact that they are tennis balls by the banding that is seen. There is definite movement, a prime consideration in which of the tennis ball shots I chose.

And,I just want to point out for the reader's info that the photo does not look terribly much in focus anywhere, but when I enlarged it to do a bit of work, I could see the hairs on the tennis ball.

Oh, Those look like good new balls, I could hit those, but being on that porch, I would be more apt to be sitting in a rocking chair with a soft drink in my hand, watching a tennis match on the courts in front of me.

ginger

DavidTO

Jun-27-2004, 01:02 PM

http://gingerSnap.smugmug.com/photos/5545396-S.jpg

http://gingerSnap.smugmug.com/photos/5528132-S.jpg

I am trying to decide between these two.

I prefer the second for the simple reason that in the first the balls band from yellow to green, and I find the way that looks distracting. If the balls were continuous green, that would be fine, too. I do think they need to be one color or the other, so that the photo as a whole can be appreciated without the distraction of that color banding.

ginger_55

Jun-27-2004, 01:25 PM

I prefer the second for the simple reason that in the first the balls band from yellow to green, and I find the way that looks distracting. If the balls were continuous green, that would be fine, too. I do think they need to be one color or the other, so that the photo as a whole can be appreciated without the distraction of that color banding.
Thank you, David, I am so confused, just hyper by now. I did post a third one, the thing has hardly been worked at all.

I think everyone has a point. And I would imagine that our benevolent leader is off, and would not say anything about anything. If I were he, I would not even look until time to decide.

But there seem to be differing opinions. I don't know what you mean by banding. I see the white from the blur fading into the green, and with the yellow the same, but substitute the word yellow. Either way.

Everyone??? Maybe I should have a poll, lol

ginger (I guess there is always the tennis girl, but she seems static to me now.)