Replace Picture using SmugMug and Keywords?

[BradfordBenn]

This might be working as designed, and I would understand why it is that way, when one replaces an image with another image (for instance I replaced a SOOC with a processed image) the keywords for the processed image are not added. Is that the way it is supposed to be?

I did just go in and add them manually but figured I would ask if there was another way that I missed

[Andy]

Need more details -are you referring to iptc keywords in the new image?

[BradfordBenn]

Sorry, here is what I did (Some what sheepishly; if one of my coworkers had filed a bug report as vague as I did I would have ribbed them.):

I created a private gallery to share the shots I took with a coworker. They were straight out of camera, using Lightroom to convert the RAW files to JPG, during the import into LR I just inserted the minimal keywords in there, i.e. City and Project. I exported as JPG and uploaded to SmugMug.

The coworker browses and told me he wanted to use four for a presentation (he had to ask since I used the watermark :wink ). I went into Lightroom and made the adjustments needed (crop, color correct, etc...) I also added/refined the Keywords in there using the Lightroom tools, which I believe are IPTC, such as equipment shown in image, room shown in image, etc. I then exported them again.

I went into the Gallery in SmugMug, selected the image I wanted to replace, used the replace Photo under the tools menu. I then browsed to the image and uploaded it. After it processed, it did not have the additional keywords.

I verified that the keywords were in there by going into the Finder on my Mac, selecting the image and getting the info. They were there.

[BradfordBenn]

I figured I would bump this as I am about to go on a keywording/organizing frenzy....

So what I did was as follows:


I selected which image I wanted to update (mainly as a point of reference)
http://bradfordbenn.smugmug.com/photos/752863403_ovkhc-M.png
Went into Lightroom for Macintosh 2.5 on Snow Leopard and found the image changed the keywords, I added a few. I also changed the developing just to make sure that the image uploaded
http://bradfordbenn.smugmug.com/photos/752863329_DhdLb-M.png"]http://bradfordbenn.smugmug.com/photos/752863329_DhdLb-M.png
Ran the export preset I have for SmugMug:
http://bradfordbenn.smugmug.com/photos/752863331_5keZH-M.png
Checked my work using Get Info in Snow Leopard
http://bradfordbenn.smugmug.com/photos/752863361_WVGLH-M.png
In SmugMug (Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6 GTB6) went in and selected the image and then replace (the image name is the same)
http://bradfordbenn.smugmug.com/photos/752863254_aG7DT-M.png
Waited for the image to upload and let the browser proceed on its own. The new image loaded but the keywords did not update:
http://bradfordbenn.smugmug.com/photos/752863281_jyBq7-M.png


If it helps the gallery of the links is http://bradfordbenn.smugmug.com/Links/DGrin-Links/4168488_66o8K/1/752863281_jyBq7 For the pictures I am working with in this example, they are at http://bradfordbenn.smugmug.com/Travel/Aria-Opening-Fireworks/10674486_fvv85/1/743122420_s9YBq I did leave the new image up there (can tell by the fact the end balcony are not blue)

If I am doing something wrong, please let me know.

[Andy]

Hi, replace doesn't change the keywords - we're discussing how this should / could be handled. Choice are:

- do nothing
- append new keywords
- replace existing with new (complete replace)

Devbobo would love your input.

[pilotdave]

Hi, replace doesn't change the keywords - we're discussing how this should / could be handled. Choice are:

- do nothing
- append new keywords
- replace existing with new (complete replace)

Devbobo would love your input.

Best solution in my opinion is to add that option to the replace tool. I don't normally keyword before uploading... I do it all on smugmug. So replacing existing keywords with the new ones would probably clear my keywords. But for people that do all their keywording on their originals, I can see why they would want keywords to get replaced or appended. Only way to make everyone happy is to let us decide each time we replace a photo.

Dave

[devbobo]

it would most likely be an account level setting, as not everyone uses the replace tool...some people use 3rd party tools that use our api.

[timk519]

- do nothing
- append new keywords
- replace existing with new (complete replace)


If keywords are uploaded with the replacement image, then replace all existing with the uploaded ones. If no keywords are uploaded with the replacement image, do nothing.

[BradfordBenn]

Okay, I thought about this one a little. I would do the complete replace. I don't think there seeds to be an option or anything, treat it like a file upload like any other upload. All that stays the same is the ID of the image.

If one is replacing the images the keywords should be replaced in my opinion. It is a new picture and new information. I see a more likely use case where a person might do the SOOC upload and quick keywording (that is what I do) then when go back and refine, I also refine the keywords.

it is like replacing one file with another, so the new file's attributes would replace the older file.

[pilotdave]

Okay, I thought about this one a little. I would do the complete replace. I don't think there seeds to be an option or anything, treat it like a file upload like any other upload. All that stays the same is the ID of the image.

If one is replacing the images the keywords should be replaced in my opinion. It is a new picture and new information. I see a more likely use case where a person might do the SOOC upload and quick keywording (that is what I do) then when go back and refine, I also refine the keywords.

it is like replacing one file with another, so the new file's attributes would replace the older file.

Again, that might work for some users but it would totally mess me up. I almost never upload images with keywords already embedded. If I replace an image, it is almost always for a different crop (proof delay) or a minor edit. I never replace an image to update the keywords (obviously, because that doesn't work now). I'd hate to have to redo my caption and keywords every time I change the crop for a proof delay order.

And speaking of replacing images for proof delay... we should get the option whether or not to replace the original image or upload the replacement as a new image.

Dave

[BradfordBenn]

Again, that might work for some users but it would totally mess me up. I almost never upload images with keywords already embedded.

Ah different use case I didn't think of. In which case the user selectable is probably a good solution or an append with removal of duplicates.