Flash issue with Friday Night football

[Graham Cracker]

I am using a flash now for football first time. I have a new 580EX ii, bracket that puts flash up 18" , a monopod and a power pack. I used the flash at minus 2 clicks and my ISO on 6400 on my 1DM3 and my f2.8 70-200 L series lens. I noticed it that I was able to catch the action well but I had 2 repeated issues
1) had difficulty getting my camera at 2 stops below without dropping the ISO. Problem there was when I didn't use the flash it was too dark so I have some shots that were almost blown out
2) when the flash caught the action it did a great job "freezing" the action but often noticed the lower legs were slightly blurred and whole image not as crisp? Don't know if this is called "ghosting" or not but curious how to avoid. here are two pictures showing what I was referring too. http://patrickgraham.smugmug.com/Oth...01335515_MKCwy Did I not have my aperture down enough? I think it was f4.5 or even 5.0?
I haven't edited these at all thanks again for the tips.
I have also heard that some people mount the flash down the monopod would this help? Patrick

[Dano]

If you are going to shoot at 6400 ISO why are you bothering with flash. Myself with a bunch of different PMs and others have told you what settings to use but you didn't bother to listen. Instead of just asking what settings to use you may need to start at the beginning and learn how the different settings affect each other and why. I don't mean to sound harsh but I've seen this a lot lately on other forums as well. Here is one of my PM posts that spelled it out.



I do use flash all the time now but on one field I could shoot 3200/500s/2.8 but just prefer the flash now. Setting are pretty much 800/300s(MIII)/F2.8 to F4. That will get you pretty close just watch the LCD and adjust as needed. I've been shooting ETTL +0 this year and been having pretty consistent results, but in manual it is between 1/4 and 1/2 power.

It does take some getting used to and shooting at 1 frame per second you really have to time things. Let me know if you have any other questions Patrick.
I have also read a few others give pretty much the same advice but you chose something completely different.I would suggest going back and just following the advice that was already given to you.

[cecilc]

1) had difficulty getting my camera at 2 stops below without dropping the ISO. Problem there was when I didn't use the flash it was too dark so I have some shots that were almost blown out
2) when the flash caught the action it did a great job "freezing" the action but often noticed the lower legs were slightly blurred and whole image not as crisp? Don't know if this is called "ghosting" or not but curious how to avoid. here are two pictures showing what I was referring too. http://patrickgraham.smugmug.com/Oth...01335515_MKCwy Did I not have my aperture down enough? I think it was f4.5 or even 5.0?

I read the other thread you had about, basically, this same thing ... and I read the advice given to you in that thread. But it seems, from your post above, that you 1) didn't understand the advice you were given; or 2) chose to ignore the advice you were given ....

Check this thread out: http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=109535 .

It's got some good advice on flash football under the lights ....

[Graham Cracker]

If you are going to shoot at 6400 ISO why are you bothering with flash. Myself with a bunch of different PMs and others have told you what settings to use but you didn't bother to listen. Instead of just asking what settings to use you may need to start at the beginning and learn how the different settings affect each other and why. I don't mean to sound harsh but I've seen this a lot lately on other forums as well. Here is one of my PM posts that spelled it out.




I have also read a few others give pretty much the same advice but you chose something completely different.I would suggest going back and just following the advice that was already given to you.
My deepest apologies for wasting anyones time. I did read everything and tried to comply with it. I tried the 6400 because I was told that if I used my flash extensively I would burn it out. SO I was using the flash in the end zones and turning it off in the middle of the field. Having the flash on the top of the brackets makes it difficult to quickly change the ISO. Thus the question about mounting the flash below. I have ben told people do it both ways. I certainly understand that the high ISO was not appropriate, what I was trying to ask was if that was the only reason my pictures turned out how they did or was I doing something else wrong? I am certainly not trying to waste anyones time, just trying to learn.

[Graham Cracker]

I read the other thread you had about, basically, this same thing ... and I read the advice given to you in that thread. But it seems, from your post above, that you 1) didn't understand the advice you were given; or 2) chose to ignore the advice you were given ....

Check this thread out: http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=109535 .

It's got some good advice on flash football under the lights ....
Thanks. I thought I understood, but apparently I didn't. I am really, really green with the flash and trying to learn. thanks for the link.

[Graham Cracker]

Thanks. I thought I understood, but apparently I didn't. I am really, really green with the flash and trying to learn. thanks for the link.
Cecil, the link you pointed me too was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. IF the moderator wants to pull this thread so I don't waste anyones time please feel free. Respectfully, Patrick

[Dano]

Again Patrick I didn't mean to sound like an a$$. Just a little frustrating when you come back not using anyone's suggestions and wondering why you are not getting good results.

There is no way you are going to burn out your flash. With recycle times and the 30-40 seconds in between plays I would not worry about it.

[Graham Cracker]

Again Patrick I didn't mean to sound like an a$$. Just a little frustrating when you come back not using anyones sugestions and wondering why you are not getting good results.

There is no way you are going to burn out your flash. With recycle times and the 30-40 seconds in between plays I would not worry about it.

OK, I think I am just so green, I couldn't remember everything. This was my first time using a real setup. I appreciate the help, thanks

[Daren3006]

Hey Patrick,

This is a little off topic but I was looking through your other galleries, the wrestling in particular. I notice that almost all of them have some motion blur. I looked at your camera info and see that you're shooting 1/60. That is way too slow for wrestling. I usually shoot wrestling at 1/250th without flash. If that's at all possible for your equip and lighting situation, I'd give it a try.

Personally I would sacrifice a little light to get the crisp motion freeze. If you're shooting in RAW you may be able to regain some of your lost light in post processing.

[cr8ingwaves]

to add to what Daren stated........even the people that aren't moving look soft. How are you stabilizing the camera when shooting the wrestling?