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onethumb

Jul-05-2005, 12:36 PM

Phase 1 of the new and improved customization for smugmug is about to begin. Here's the email we're getting ready to send out:

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Hi,

We're so very sorry to bother you with an email but we noticed that you customized your smugmug pages (excellent!). We're working on improvements to our header & footer and, try as we might, we can't complete the improvements without affecting some customized pages.

We've tested many of our customer's pages and most of them work the same as they did before our new design. A few of them, however, will need some tweaks. The most common problem is an alignment issue where they no longer align center.

We thought it best to let you know as soon as possible. The current plan is to roll out the changes this coming Friday at midnight unless we uncover something unexpected in our testing. We'll send another email 24 hours before rollout. We'll make sure we're standing by to help quickly with any (hopefully small!) issues.

This is the first step towards much easier & more powerful customization. The bad news is there will be another change like this in the near future; the good is, people who have seen the plans are salivating!

All the best,
The smugmug team
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We'll answer any question and help solve problems here in this thread.

Don

{JT}

Jul-05-2005, 12:55 PM

Because we switched to using DIVs for layout control, many of you that used TABLES to align your site to the center of the page will notice that everything is now left aligned. The easy fix is to wrap everything in a containing DIV:

<div align="center">

PREVIOUS CODE

</div>

Or you can simply assign the DIV an ID and set the styles in your CSS section.

Frank

Jul-05-2005, 01:14 PM

Hi Don (and smugmug Team),

This is just typical smugmug...
...and that is a WONDERFUL thing. :clap

I've spent most of my working life, dealing with telecom and computer companies and it has rarely been a pleasant experience. I guess I just never got used to being treated like an adversary rather than a client, and routinely being put out of service with no warning, reason, or even an apology.

Don't mean to get teary-eyed, but it is SO NICE to feel like we are on the same team.

Keep up the good work!

Thanks,

- Frank

steelephotography.com

Jul-05-2005, 02:21 PM

I concur with Frank, great customer service with the heads up. It is not something you find very often..

DS

Phase 1 of the new and improved customization for smugmug is about to begin. Here's the email we're getting ready to send out:

---
Hi,

We're so very sorry to bother you with an email but we noticed that you customized your smugmug pages (excellent!). We're working on improvements to our header & footer and, try as we might, we can't complete the improvements without affecting some customized pages.

We've tested many of our customer's pages and most of them work the same as they did before our new design. A few of them, however, will need some tweaks. The most common problem is an alignment issue where they no longer align center.

We thought it best to let you know as soon as possible. The current plan is to roll out the changes this coming Friday at midnight unless we uncover something unexpected in our testing. We'll send another email 24 hours before rollout. We'll make sure we're standing by to help quickly with any (hopefully small!) issues.

This is the first step towards much easier & more powerful customization. The bad news is there will be another change like this in the near future; the good is, people who have seen the plans are salivating!

All the best,
The smugmug team
---

We'll answer any question and help solve problems here in this thread.

Don

dcvoss

Jul-05-2005, 02:27 PM

I just made changes to my customization and I thought I'd share the code I used.

I used to have this code to center a header image at the top of my smugmug pages:

<table width="720" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10" align="center" >

OLD CODE

</table>

I replaced it with:
<div ALIGN=CENTER>

OLD CODE

</div>

And it did the trick!

Dana.

Baldy

Jul-05-2005, 02:31 PM

it is SO NICE to feel like we are on the same team.Thanks! We actually feel terrible when we run into the all-too-common scenario of 30% of people like it one way best and 70% another. Hard to tell the 30% that, erem, you lose...without feeling awful about it.

Mac Write

Jul-05-2005, 02:54 PM

Will there be a full CSS tag guide or better yet all the CSS info already in the CSS file (or to download) so we know what to change? I joined Smugmug at the right time. Can't wait until this is all complete so I can write a very good review.

Francois

Jul-05-2005, 03:29 PM

Hmmmm.. I think this is my first post here, after having used Smugmug for almost a year now.

Your email and message just deserves a THANK YOU, great service, been happy all the time so far and can't wait for further improvements. You have my support Thumbone and Team :clap

Kind regards,
François

{JT}

Jul-05-2005, 03:38 PM

Hah, here is was being all fancy with my code and a simple center did the trick! I updated my example code to reflect this, thanks!

I just made changes to my customization and I thought I'd share the code I used.

I used to have this code to center a header image at the top of my smugmug pages:

<table width="720" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10" align="center" >

OLD CODE

</table>

I replaced it with:
<div ALIGN=CENTER>

OLD CODE

</div>

And it did the trick!

Dana.

{JT}

Jul-05-2005, 03:41 PM

There will be such a guide when the transition is complete to the new code. We will also be incorporating feedback from you guys when you play with the new design, so these first few weeks things will be very fluid. When the guide is ready, I will post here as well as the web tricks blog (http://blogs.smugmug.net/web-tricks/) along with some new ideas on how you can get started in customizing the site.

Will there be a full CSS tag guide or better yet all the CSS info already in the CSS file (or to download) so we know what to change? I joined Smugmug at the right time. Can't wait until this is all complete so I can write a very good review.

Andy

Jul-05-2005, 05:05 PM

if i go to williams.smugmug.com and log in, i do not get my cobranding.

if i go to www.moonriverphotography.com and am logged out, the cobranding is there.

:scratch

{JT}

Jul-05-2005, 05:22 PM

I see the cobranding at both locations andy :)

We have not touched the site yet (as far as the upcoming changes are concerned). So everythign should look like normal for everyone.

if i go to williams.smugmug.com and log in, i do not get my cobranding.

if i go to www.moonriverphotography.com and am logged out, the cobranding is there.

:scratch

dsdee

Jul-05-2005, 05:35 PM

I see the cobranding at both locations andy :)

We have not touched the site yet (as far as the upcoming changes are concerned). So everythign should look like normal for everyone.
actually, i'm seeing the same thing, JT. When I saw Andy's post, I brought up my page, d2photos.smugmug.com and it had my little face in the lower-right corner (BTW, thanks, Andy, for the idea :) ). At that time I was logged in.

I logged out... face still there.

I logged back in... Face was gone.
I logged back out, and in again; face still gone.

well, now that's odd; after the login, if i re-enter my topmost url, d2photos.smugmug.com, the face re-appears.

Is it a problem with the cobranding, or maybe some of the javascript/css stuff, not being put into the page right after a login takes place ???

--d2

{JT}

Jul-05-2005, 05:46 PM

Or ... perhaps you put your photos for your cobranding in a protected gallery and you see them when you are logged in.

actually, i'm seeing the same thing, JT. When I saw Andy's post, I brought up my page, d2photos.smugmug.com and it had my little face in the lower-right corner (BTW, thanks, Andy, for the idea :) ). At that time I was logged in.

I logged out... face still there.

I logged back in... Face was gone.
I logged back out, and in again; face still gone.

well, now that's odd; after the login, if i re-enter my topmost url, d2photos.smugmug.com, the face re-appears.

Is it a problem with the cobranding, or maybe some of the javascript/css stuff, not being put into the page right after a login takes place ???

--d2

dsdee

Jul-05-2005, 06:02 PM

the photo is in a 'private' gallery, not in a password protected gallery; it's direct access to the jpeg, so i don't need to be logged in for that. the image http://d2photos.smugmug.com/photos/19470321-Ti.jpg works regardless of logged in or not.

I checked again (just logged out, and logged back in), and the face at the bottom right is gone; as soon as i change pages (select an image/gallery), it reappears.

Again, the problem only seems to appear on the first page after authentication has succeeded.

Or ... perhaps you put your photos for your cobranding in a protected gallery and you see them when you are logged in.

Matthew Saville

Jul-05-2005, 06:47 PM

Hey, what made me laugh was the part where you apologize for emailing us. I LOVE hearing from you guys! I'm not kidding. And sometimes, (correct me if I'm wrong!) it seems like you guys slip in a neat-o adjustment or something and it doesn't get posted in my control panel's "Smugmug News" or sent to me in email notification form. Send me more emails, my inbox is so desolate!

-Matt-

BBJ

Jul-05-2005, 07:38 PM

grannyrobin

Jul-05-2005, 08:14 PM

Thanks Don and smugmug team, for the forewarning on work to be done, that will be saturday for us in Australia but i am sure any improvments are welcomed.

Ok Now for me the big dummy at this sort of thing but this cobranding has really got me stumped, i would love to make an image and so on fo rthe top on my pages but not sure where to go from there or where to put it. Maybe Andy or 1 of troops might try point me in the right direction, i am not a html freak.
Cheers
John
BBJ Hi John,

Have you seen this help page with instructions on inserting a custom header? http://www.smugmug.com/help/create-photo-album

I followed these instructions, and they worked for me. (Of course I didn't have a custom header worth keeping up, but at least I know I can insert one whenever I choose. I don't know much html; I just followed along.)
-Robin

BBJ

Jul-05-2005, 08:25 PM

Thankyou Robin, i might have looked at this but i will have a look again and see if i can get my head around it. I only know how to use my camera!! LOL and i use a webeditor program and it does it all for me anyhow i will go have a read.

Thanks again
Cheers
John

BBJ

Jul-05-2005, 09:56 PM

Robin, i have had a look and looks like things might have changed since i last looked and seem to be more understanding.
Thank you again.

Cheers
John
BBJ

grannyrobin

Jul-06-2005, 06:04 AM

Robin, i have had a look and looks like things might have changed since i last looked and seem to be more understanding.
Thank you again.

Cheers
John
BBJ
Great! I hope it works out very well indeed.
-Robin

onethumb

Jul-07-2005, 11:31 PM

Phase 1 of the new and improved customization for smugmug is about to begin.

Testing went well, so we're sending out a 2nd email letting people know that we'll be rolling it out mid-morning (Pacific) on Saturday. Here's the text of the email:

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Hi,

We promised another email 24 hours before going live with a new header, footer, and changes that pave the way for easier and more powerful customization.

Testing went well so we're on schedule for mid-morning on Saturday. In case you missed it, here's a discussion on our forum about how this could affect your customization:

http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=14509

We'll be standing by to help if there are any problems!

All the best,
The smugmug team

---

Once this is out, you should see some really great stuff come in the next wave. This one just lays the foundation for the stuff we really want to do...

Don

onethumb

Jul-08-2005, 12:06 AM

Oh, and in case it wasn't clear, this is the first step towards getting rid of all tables HTML. smugmug will soon be 100% CSS driven except only where people use tables in their own customization.

Don

marlinspike

Jul-08-2005, 07:59 AM

I feel like CSS is really really eays, but I don't know anything at all about it. Is there some website that breaks it down?
Thanks,
Richard

Rohirrim

Jul-08-2005, 09:06 AM

I feel like CSS is really really eays, but I don't know anything at all about it. Is there some website that breaks it down?
Thanks,
Richard There are a fair number of websites devoted to CSS. A few of my favorites are:
http://www.csszengarden.com/ - Shows how far you can take CSS to design a site.
http://www.bluerobot.com/ - some basic templates available.
http://www.glish.com/css/
http://www.alistapart.com/
http://www.westciv.com/index.html - You can purchase an excellent downloadable tutorial on HTML/CSS from this site. They also have a Style Sheet program called Style Master that can come in very handy.

Regards,
Steve

mfairbanks

Jul-08-2005, 09:29 AM

Greetings,
I've been a member of SmugMug for a while now and have never posted, but all this talk of changes and customization has got me interested! Is there any way folks could explain some of this stuff in total non techie english??? Like what the heck is CSS ? and some of the other techno-geekie phrases I've seen thrown around here, please? <indert dumb grin here> Does this mean that at some point in the continuing evolution that SmugMug will have an idiot proof customizer for pages similar to what Yahoo's Geocities uses?

Mike

Oh, and in case it wasn't clear, this is the first step towards getting rid of all tables HTML. smugmug will soon be 100% CSS driven except only where people use tables in their own customization.

Don

Baldy

Jul-08-2005, 11:55 AM

Hi Mike,

CSS is short for cascading style sheets. It turns out to be dirt simple in concept once we say words like style sheet instead of CSS.

Suppose you hire Will Smith as your date doctor (http://www.azcentral.com/ent/dating/articles/0223coach23.html) to help you woo the fine lady of your dreams. He's gonna give you a style sheet. For shirts? Black is fine.

CSS is just a list of colors, font types, etc., to tell your browser how things should look. Make all links blue, make the font helvetica, etc.

It's the current hotness in website design.

davenelson

Jul-08-2005, 12:57 PM

onethumb

Jul-08-2005, 04:10 PM

Does this mean that we will be able to control the look and feel of ALL the content. Currently I am unable to place a styles to control the look and feel hyperlinks, buttons, or tables.

I want to be able to override everything with my own design.

You can do this now, but it's more difficult than we'd like. Plenty of people here on dgrin have completely changed the look & feel of everything, and if you post a new thread detailing what you'd like, they'll be happy to jump in and help.

But we know we can do better and make it easier. So we're working feverishly on doing so. Soon, hopefully, but we'll take our time and make sure we get it right.

Don

Silverspoon Murals

Jul-08-2005, 04:43 PM

I appreciate the heads up, but would like to know more detail as to what kind of customization will be allowed? Is it a secret?

One thing on my wish list was to allow customers to upload photos to passworded galleries without giving them access to my whole site. I wanted to use this as a freebie for clients that commission me to do a children's mural. This would be a great thank you for new parents. I created a private gallery for one client but I have to upload all the photos. It doesn't take long but I wouldn't want to do it for everyone.

Also I know I was a pain in the arse when I signed up for your service, when I was having difficulty getting my customization the way I wanted it. But I am now a believer. I have searched high and low and can't find a site that compares to this one.

If you guys keep improving your service...I'll be recommending you right and left. I just found an artist forum where people are looking for an answer to an easy website. I've already posted links to smugmug there.

Anyway, thanks!
Teresa
www.silverspoonmurals.com (http://www.silverspoonmurals.com):clap

grannyrobin

Jul-08-2005, 05:06 PM

Silverspoon Murals

Jul-08-2005, 05:36 PM

I don't know what the changes will be. What I do know is that I am completely in love with your murals. I took a quick glance and found that I loved both the flowery ones and the funny, big elephant. The giraffe. I'm quite sure that I would have loved them all and would have wanted to comission you myself.

Have you considered guest passwords? http://www.smugmug.com/help/guest-passwords

email uploads?
http://www.smugmug.com/help/camera-phones

-RobinThanks for the compliments! The only way right now is to give a guest password, but it gives access to all galleries not just the private one. I'd be worried someone would accidentally delete stuff or add stuff to the wrong gallery. Plus I think it would be too confusing to newcomers. I would just like when the person logs into the private gallery, they have the chance to upload a photo to that specific gallery, but have no other control but that. I think it would make for nice family photo albums and a great way to get more people viewing my website...sneaky! There is a method to my madness!:wink

As for loading from camera phones...what about just a digital camera. Not everyone has one of those I know I don't have a camera phone, I wouldn't get one because I have a digital camera.

{JT}

Jul-08-2005, 08:35 PM

I am intrigued by the idea - but don't want to create a feature that would allow a mini-smugmug service within one account. Make sense? Bring this up in a new topic if you want more feedback though, lets keep this thread about the new design stuff.

Thanks for the compliments! The only way right now is to give a guest password, but it gives access to all galleries not just the private one. I'd be worried someone would accidentally delete stuff or add stuff to the wrong gallery. Plus I think it would be too confusing to newcomers. I would just like when the person logs into the private gallery, they have the chance to upload a photo to that specific gallery, but have no other control but that. I think it would make for nice family photo albums and a great way to get more people viewing my website...sneaky! There is a method to my madness!:wink

As for loading from camera phones...what about just a digital camera. Not everyone has one of those I know I don't have a camera phone, I wouldn't get one because I have a digital camera.

DoctorIt

Jul-09-2005, 06:29 AM

um, when i just logged in, my customization disappeared. It was there before I was logged in, now its gone. It never did this before, right? but its not quite mid morning in CA - did you guys already switch something?

:dunno

***so i just got rid of my table stuff in the cobranding, hit update, went back to my main page (still logged in) and my cobranding was back. Weird.

I also just noticed that on page 2 of this thread, Andy had the same thing happen, but there wasn't a reply or reason... the thread just went back to the hijack of "how do I cobrand"...
:rolleyes

Andy

Jul-09-2005, 06:36 AM

um, when i just logged in, my customization disappeared. It was there before I was logged in, now its gone. It never did this before, right? but its not quite mid morning in CA - did you guys already switch something?

:dunno

i have the same problem and have reported it.. when logged out, the customization is fine. when i log in, there's no customization.

DoctorIt

Jul-09-2005, 06:52 AM

i have the same problem and have reported it.. when logged out, the customization is fine. when i log in, there's no customization.see my edit above... I just tried logging out and back in - customization gone again. Switched back to my main page, there again. Switch to another gallery gone again.

Very weird. :scratch

Silverspoon Murals

Jul-09-2005, 07:55 AM

I don't see anything different about the the smugmug site. What am I missing?

Dennis

Jul-09-2005, 09:48 AM

I had the problem where customization disappeared when logged in for a little while this morning, but now it seem to have cleared up ...

However, now I notice that when browsing my site using 1024x768 resolution, Smugmug default template, using Firefox, what used to be full page is now shifted right far... For example, "elegant" views are now off the display to the right...

With IE6, the same view is not shifted as much, but I do notice that now the scroll bar appears in the bottom of the browser window because the page is now slightly larger than 1024x768 ...

ginger_55

Jul-09-2005, 10:01 AM

Where do I ask questions. I am logged in, I can't log out, no place to do it. My background is now white with black blocks and hard to see colored lettering.

Please, my son did my website over Christmas, I have no html background.

My banner is still there, and it is centered.

I just need the old black background back.

I need to be able to log in and out.

And I don't want colored lettering.

Also, I just recommended my site to some dog people, I can't log out to see what it looks like to them.

Who do I ask for answers without wading thru bunches of posts?

ginger

(I don't even understand words like cobrand)

THANK YOU, those problems appear to be fixed...........

I wish someone would list, after this is all over, what positive changes were made, so that I can look for them.

Dennis

Jul-09-2005, 10:07 AM

FWIW ... the large shifting to the right problem with Firefox and default templates went away ...

but I'm still noticing the default template displays slightly larger than 1024x768 with IE6 and creates a botton browser scroll bar ...

Dennis

Jul-09-2005, 10:10 AM

Barb

Jul-09-2005, 10:32 AM

So, I refreshed my page a bit ago, and what used to be at the bottom of the page:

"powered by smugmug | logout | shopping cart | portions © 2005 smugmug, inc."

is now at the very top. I looked in the customize section but can't see anywhere to change that. Anyone?

Barb

Jul-09-2005, 10:34 AM

{JT}

Jul-09-2005, 10:39 AM

Well, first off you had a body tag in your HEADER section and not in the BODY section so I moved that.

Second, you started out with the <div align="center"> in the right place up in the header, but you never finished it off anywhere, so I added a closing </div> to your footer and it fixed it.

So, I refreshed my page a bit ago, and what used to be at the bottom of the page:

"powered by smugmug | logout | shopping cart | portions © 2005 smugmug, inc."

is now at the very top. I looked in the customize section but can't see anywhere to change that. Anyone?

{JT}

Jul-09-2005, 10:41 AM

Barb

Jul-09-2005, 11:56 AM

Another warning: your cusotmizing code will be interpreted much stricter now. We changed the DOCTYPE of the site so that the page will be interpreted by browsers on a higher level, meaning they will be less forgiving about things like not closing a tag or using non-standard HTML.

So before panicing, take a good look at your code make sure that tags are closed and things are where they need to be.

Well, I really didn't "panic" :) I simply couldn't figure out where I went wrong. Thank you for letting me know. There are a couple of other things that went whacky, too, so I'm trying to fgure those out, also.

ginger_55

Jul-09-2005, 12:12 PM

Ginger ... this morning my background turned all white and unreadable as you describe ...

I cleared my browser cache and cookies, and restarted it... it went back to normal after that for me ...

Dennis
Thanks, I didn't do that. I thought someone fixed it for me.

Some of this seems to be a work in progress.

My cache needs clearing. Does that affect the site???

:rofl . I guess I can't clear my cache, I have a good one now.

ginger:1drink

{JT}

Jul-09-2005, 05:11 PM

Oh, that reply was more a a general reply to everyone :)

Well, I really didn't "panic" :)

TrishB

Jul-09-2005, 08:35 PM

Thanks for the heads up. I had aligned center, but had already followed instructions to use that new code you're indicating. I see no changes on my customizations at all...Happy about that, I'm not a techy. I'm lucky I figured it out the first time!:clap

pkellum

Jul-10-2005, 12:34 AM

I'm not sure if this is effecting anyone else, but in FireFox there is a box in the top left corner of every page when browsing that's really messed up. It appears to be a bad applet or something.

brian

Jul-10-2005, 12:37 AM

Hi, my customization consists simply of eliminating the Smugmug headers & footers with a <br> tag. That still works.

I like the fact that that "hack" leaves the style popup menu choice in place. However, I don't like that the word style is now a loud SMUG GREEN. See, I'm kind of going for the understated look.

Can I make the SMUG GREEN go back to a quiet gray?

Also, can I tried to change the still gray (thank you) default text that says "rivertext's home" by changing my nickname to "Participatory Photojournalism" and suddenly instead of getting to my page the browser went to the Smugmug.com home page.

Thanks,

Brian

http://rivertext.smugmug.com/

DoctorIt

Jul-10-2005, 04:51 AM

Oh boy, this morning things are whacky - in my galleries, everything is way over to the right, EXCEPT the footer, that's all good, so I must have done that right.

Let's start with this: I changed the stylesheet html in the cobranding so that I could keep the functional smugmug buttons, but replace the smugmug logo (on the left) with my own. JT had given me this code way back:

.smuglogo {
width: 170px;
height: 43px;
background: transparent url('http://doctorit.smugmug.com/photos/19467162-O.jpg') no-repeat;
}

and all I had to do was put in my custom width and height for my new logo which is still properly linked by that url in there. Have you changed your default stylesheet? So that mine is now a little goofy?

Barb

Jul-10-2005, 05:07 AM

Oh, that reply was more a a general reply to everyone :)
Hi JT:

Oh I understand - believe me, I certainly have panicked before - lol.

I've been trying to make this happen, without success: I would like to have the Smugmug footer information (the powered by, etc.) appear below the blue border that I have and in the white, instead of above it, as it is now. How would I go about that? I've messed with things and haven't figured that one out yet.

savannahga

Jul-10-2005, 07:44 AM

My site was screwed up bad with the changes.

Andy

Jul-10-2005, 07:45 AM

My site was screwed up bad with the changes.

how about sharing some details?

{JT}

Jul-10-2005, 12:33 PM

All of use here at smugmug use Firefox and do not see anything in the top left. (we also don't have any applets on the page) Can you take a screenshot for me?

I'm not sure if this is effecting anyone else, but in FireFox there is a box in the top left corner of every page when browsing that's really messed up. It appears to be a bad applet or something.

{JT}

Jul-10-2005, 12:37 PM

You are going to have to change the height of the header now to match the height of your logo:

#header {
height: 43px;
}

Should work.

Oh boy, this morning things are whacky - in my galleries, everything is way over to the right, EXCEPT the footer, that's all good, so I must have done that right.

Let's start with this: I changed the stylesheet html in the cobranding so that I could keep the functional smugmug buttons, but replace the smugmug logo (on the left) with my own. JT had given me this code way back:

.smuglogo {
width: 170px;
height: 43px;
background: transparent url('http://doctorit.smugmug.com/photos/19467162-O.jpg') no-repeat;
}

and all I had to do was put in my custom width and height for my new logo which is still properly linked by that url in there. Have you changed your default stylesheet? So that mine is now a little goofy?

{JT}

Jul-10-2005, 12:43 PM

Hm, the navigation links on your page are white (on white), but other than that it looks ok to me - certainly not bad. Anything specific you can add?

My site was screwed up bad with the changes.

{JT}

Jul-10-2005, 12:52 PM

However, I don't like that the word style is now a loud SMUG GREEN.

the class used is title, so:

.title {
color: gray;
}

Or whatever other color you like.

pkellum

Jul-10-2005, 03:48 PM

All of use here at smugmug use Firefox and do not see anything in the top left. (we also don't have any applets on the page) Can you take a screenshot for me? Sure, here you go...

{JT}

Jul-10-2005, 04:00 PM

Sure, here you go...

That looks like a caching problem to me, especially since the code for the homepage would never end up on the browse page. Try emptying the cache in your FF preferences and revisiting the page.

pkellum

Jul-10-2005, 04:14 PM

That looks like a caching problem to me, especially since the code for the homepage would never end up on the browse page. Try emptying the cache in your FF preferences and revisiting the page.
I have the cache turned off on my computer just for that reason (more trouble then it's worth). It's always a copy of the previous page. Here's another screenshot after scrolling.

pkellum

Jul-10-2005, 04:15 PM

Andy

Jul-10-2005, 04:23 PM

And here's a screenshot of the main page when first arriving.

i use firefox and don't have that problem.... sorry...

{JT}

Jul-10-2005, 04:40 PM

It could be plugins, a corrupted profile, a number of things. The problem is that no one I know can reproduce it so it makes it hard to troubleshoot it to something on our end (which I highly doubt it is) :(

I would try making a new profile in FF and seeing if it still happens.

And here's a screenshot of the main page when first arriving.

savannahga

Jul-10-2005, 05:25 PM

how about sharing some details? Ok when I add a background gif (repeat) it goes beyound (or past)
the border I have. I want it outside the border. (It did before)

Another thing I had it set that "featured galleries" & "Jeff Cochran's
gallery catagories" text 'white" so that they blend with my white
background" (I can't now)

http://www.savannahga.smugmug.com

Jeff

DGL

Jul-10-2005, 10:41 PM

After the customization by smugmug, all the texts in my website are under lined including bio. Please help me out to fix this problem.
Thanks.

www.reelartsstudio.com (http://www.reelartsstudio.com/)

DoctorIt

Jul-11-2005, 06:48 AM

You are going to have to change the height of the header now to match the height of your logo:

#header {
height: 43px;
}

Should work.Fixed :thumb

Thanks! You guys, as usual, rock!! I promise to go learn CSS now :D

DoctorIt

Jul-11-2005, 07:00 AM

Alignment problems fixed now, but I'm still getting some weird inconsistent behavior when logging in and out.

I've been loggin in and out now, switching galleries, trying to find a consistent error, but I really can't, it's strange.

For example: Logged in, everything looks great. Then I use the top logout link - logged out, still OK. BUT, that is when the fun starts, if I click the login link, I do NOT go to the login screen. Rather, my cobranding disappears but the rest of my page still sits there. If I click login again, everything disappears but the smugmug header. I'm attaching a screenshot, this is after trying to login from my page, twice. The only way to then login is to go to the main smugmug page, where I can login successfully. So I feel like something is still wrong with my header.
:scratch

**I should add, I'm on Firefox (winxp) now. It was also doing this at home on osx10.4 with Camino and Safari, so I don't think its a caching issue.

{JT}

Jul-11-2005, 07:28 AM

There is a login/logout bug that should be fixed today that may take care of this.

Alignment problems fixed now, but I'm still getting some weird inconsistent behavior when logging in and out.

I've been loggin in and out now, switching galleries, trying to find a consistent error, but I really can't, it's strange.

For example: Logged in, everything looks great. Then I use the top logout link - logged out, still OK. BUT, that is when the fun starts, if I click the login link, I do NOT go to the login screen. Rather, my cobranding disappears but the rest of my page still sits there. If I click login again, everything disappears but the smugmug header. I'm attaching a screenshot, this is after trying to login from my page, twice. The only way to then login is to go to the main smugmug page, where I can login successfully. So I feel like something is still wrong with my header.
:scratch

**I should add, I'm on Firefox (winxp) now. It was also doing this at home on osx10.4 with Camino and Safari, so I don't think its a caching issue.

Mike Lane

Jul-11-2005, 07:49 AM

And here's a screenshot of the main page when first arriving.I think that is a result of messed up user files. I had to delete everything in the userChrome (or was it userContent?). Which ever one I was using for ad blocking I had to empty because it was messing things up...bad. Now all I use is adblock for ad blocking and it's just fine.

Oh, one other thing, look on the web for how to disable ipv6 in firefox. This is something that the firefox team has not implemented correctly and it will screw up lots and lots of pages.

Mike Lane

Jul-11-2005, 04:46 PM

So here's how my website looks in firefox:

http://mikelane.smugmug.com/photos/28017720-L.jpg

Here it is in IE6:

http://mikelane.smugmug.com/photos/28017718-L.jpg

Notice how the header image (the mikelanephotography part) is all stretched out. Notice how the magnifying glass has dropped to the next line. This is new since the update.

What gives?

{JT}

Jul-11-2005, 05:20 PM

So one of the things we had to do to align the content for smugmug was to use a generic div align=center for the site, BUT ... this had the awful side affect of aligning content in tables to the center of the page. We fixed it by adding a style def for <tr>'s aligning them to the left, as a result - some tables that have <tr>'s that did not have any alignment specified get messed up. I would go through your code and make sure that everything has a proper alignment. I will also take a look later on when I boot up my PC :)

Notice how the header image (the mikelanephotography part) is all stretched out. Notice how the magnifying glass has dropped to the next line. This is new since the update.

Mike Lane

Jul-11-2005, 05:27 PM

So one of the things we had to do to align the content for smugmug was to use a generic div align=center for the site, BUT ... this had the awful side affect of aligning content in tables to the center of the page. We fixed it by adding a style def for <tr>'s aligning them to the left, as a result - some tables that have <tr>'s that did not have any alignment specified get messed up. I would go through your code and make sure that everything has a proper alignment. I will also take a look later on when I boot up my PC :) Uh, okay.:scratch The part of the header that is stretched does not have any tables associated with it. It may be the case that is why the magnifying glass is on another line; but why would my header logo be stretched...and only in ie?

steelephotography.com

Jul-11-2005, 05:28 PM

iif i go to williams.smugmug.com and log in, i do not get my cobranding.

if i go to www.moonriverphotography.com (http://www.moonriverphotography.com) and am logged out, the cobranding is there.

:scratch
My co-branding is there throughout except when I get to specific galleries then I get the smugmug header....

www.steelephotography.com

DS

steelephotography.com

Jul-11-2005, 05:30 PM

i
My co-branding is there throughout except when I get to specific galleries then I get the smugmug header....

www.steelephotography.com (http://www.steelephotography.com)

DS
Actually update, this seems to be the case for newly created galleries. Older one work just fine.

{JT}

Jul-11-2005, 05:38 PM

Cause IE is lame :) First thing that is wrong, that image does not have a height specified (not really an issue), second - you have two style attributes, you need to combine them in to one. And the real reason it is stretching: one of your styles is padding-bottom, when it should be margin-bottom. Remember, padding is for the inside of box elements, margin is for the outside :)

Uh, okay.:scratch The part of the header that is stretched does not have any tables associated with it. It may be the case that is why the magnifying glass is on another line; but why would my header logo be stretched...and only in ie?

{JT}

Jul-11-2005, 05:39 PM

Your default template for customize gallery has the "appearance" set to smugmug and not custom.

Actually update, this seems to be the case for newly created galleries. Older one work just fine.

Mike Lane

Jul-11-2005, 05:40 PM

A HA! Okay, so I had set as the header img style="...;padding-bottom:25px;..." I read somewhere in here that everything was going to be registered more strictly so that must mean that instead of ignoring the padding-bottom:25px; as it had been doing, IE rendered it (properly I guess) as an image that was stretched an extra 25px. Firefox did not stretch the image and instead treated it as a margin-bottom:25px.

I have since corrected it to read margin-bottom:25px and now all is right with the header image.

EDIT: Ain't SM help grand? Thanks JT, I should maybe have investigated it a bit further before I posted...

{JT}

Jul-11-2005, 05:46 PM

last fix; IE does not like the width of the containing TD around that searchglass and input field. Making it 250px took care of the wrapping problem.

A HA! Okay, so I had set as the header img style="...;padding-bottom:25px;..." I read somewhere in here that everything was going to be registered more strictly so that must mean that instead of ignoring the padding-bottom:25px; as it had been doing, IE rendered it (properly I guess) as an image that was stretched an extra 25px. Firefox did not stretch the image and instead treated it as a margin-bottom:25px.

I have since corrected it to read margin-bottom:25px and now all is right with the header image.

EDIT: Ain't SM help grand? Thanks JT, I should maybe have investigated it a bit further before I posted...

DGL

Jul-11-2005, 09:14 PM

After the customization by smugmug, all the texts in my website are under lined including bio. Please help me out to fix this problem.
Thanks.

www.reelartsstudio.com (http://www.reelartsstudio.com/)I have found one weird thing which Mozilla displays my website correctly while Internet explore doesn't.

When I went to work after I had posted this issue last night, I thought someone had fixed the problem because the Mozilla web browser displayed my web site in the way it was supposed to. When I, however, came home from work, the problem was still there. Does anyone know how to fix this? It seems to be no one has the same problem as I have here. I would appreciate any input.

Here is my problem.
http://reel-arts.smugmug.com/photos/28056904-L.jpg

{JT}

Jul-12-2005, 09:57 AM

As I stated in an earlier post, double check that you are closing all of your tags properly. The reason why everythign is underlined on your site is because you did not close the <a> tag that linked your banner. I closed it for you and the underline problem went away.

I have found one weird thing which Mozilla displays my website correctly while Internet explore doesn't.

When I went to work after I had posted this issue last night, I thought someone had fixed the problem because the Mozilla web browser displayed my web site in the way it was supposed to. When I, however, came home from work, the problem was still there. Does anyone know how to fix this? It seems to be no one has the same problem as I have here. I would appreciate any input.

Here is my problem.

DGL

Jul-12-2005, 11:40 AM

Cool! Thanks JT.:thumb
I guess I need to study CSS.
Well.... oh boy... I have so much work to do.... :scratch

As I stated in an earlier post, double check that you are closing all of your tags properly. The reason why everythign is underlined on your site is because you did not close the <a> tag that linked your banner. I closed it for you and the underline problem went away.

Mike Lane

Jul-12-2005, 11:41 AM

Well.... oh boy... I have so much work to do.... images/icons/sad.gif
:thumb

colourbox

Jul-12-2005, 07:23 PM

As I stated in an earlier post, double check that you are closing all of your tags properly. The reason why everythign is underlined on your site is because you did not close the <a> tag that linked your banner. I closed it for you and the underline problem went away.

If people are coding with an HTML editor, a lot of those editors have a code checker (validator) in them, I know Dreamweaver does. It would probably be a good idea for us all to run any checker we have against our code before entering it into smugmug. I need to review which standard is being validated against at smugmug...I'm sure it's here somewhere or it should be in the page source...looks like "XHTML 1.0 Transitional" ???

I guess there are also code validators on the Web somewhere but I haven't used them.

gblotter

Jul-30-2005, 10:20 PM

Any update on the CSS tag guide? Sorry if I missed it elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Mac Write
Will there be a full CSS tag guide or better yet all the CSS info already in the CSS file (or to download) so we know what to change? I joined Smugmug at the right time. Can't wait until this is all complete so I can write a very good review.

Reply Posted by JT
There will be such a guide when the transition is complete to the new code. We will also be incorporating feedback from you guys when you play with the new design, so these first few weeks things will be very fluid. When the guide is ready, I will post here as well as the web tricks blog (http://blogs.smugmug.net/web-tricks/) along with some new ideas on how you can get started in customizing the site.

CSwinton

Aug-09-2005, 05:15 PM

I've noticed that when I create a custom header, there's always a small, black border above my image - is there a way to remove this gap/padding? I imagine it would simply require a change in a CSS element, but I have no idea which. Anyone?

{JT}

Aug-09-2005, 07:58 PM

body {
margin-top: 0px;
}

I've noticed that when I create a custom header, there's always a small, black border above my image - is there a way to remove this gap/padding? I imagine it would simply require a change in a CSS element, but I have no idea which. Anyone?

CSwinton

Aug-10-2005, 01:28 PM

Thanks JT - worked like a charm. Another question for you or anyone out there - is it possible to align the header on the left side so that it lines up with the left-position of the bread-crumb links? Does that make sense? Left-justified looks ok at lower resolutions, but on my 1600x1200 monitor, it doesn't line up well.

body {
margin-top: 0px;
}

{JT}

Aug-10-2005, 01:52 PM

You are probably viewing with the elegant style. You can modify how long the header is using stylesheets; just look for #header in our style sheets and you can see how we set the width their.

Thanks JT - worked like a charm. Another question for you or anyone out there - is it possible to align the header on the left side so that it lines up with the left-position of the bread-crumb links? Does that make sense? Left-justified looks ok at lower resolutions, but on my 1600x1200 monitor, it doesn't line up well.

MrSandman

Aug-17-2005, 10:43 AM

Is there any way we can have an option to show the exif data below each photo instead of having to click on a link and have it pop up in another window? I don't think showing ALL of the exif data is important necessarily. But maybe (at the minimum) just the focal length, aperture setting, shutter speed, and ISO?

arthill

Aug-18-2005, 06:37 AM

All of use here at smugmug use Firefox and do not see anything in the top left. (we also don't have any applets on the page) Can you take a screenshot for me?Might I suggest that "all of you there at smugmug" start seeing what the stuff you do looks like in IE since the overwhelming majority of people who see your/our pages use IE. This really bothers me - if true it means you are letting personal preference get in the way of servicing your customers. I mean use whatever you want to browse the rest of the web but don't view smugmug pages in the browser that most people DON'T use.

onethumb

Aug-18-2005, 04:47 PM

Might I suggest that "all of you there at smugmug" start seeing what the stuff you do looks like in IE since the overwhelming majority of people who see your/our pages use IE. This really bothers me - if true it means you are letting personal preference get in the way of servicing your customers. I mean use whatever you want to browse the rest of the web but don't view smugmug pages in the browser that most people DON'T use.

80% of smugmug's development work and testing work is done in IE6 on various flavors of Windows. That's roughly in line with the % of IE6 users actually using the site, so I think it's fair.

We don't do any IE5 testing anymore, since Microsoft hasn't supported it in years, and neither does anyone else. Doing all the great stuff we're doing would be impossible if we had to support it. (The truth is, we'd have a much better site if IE6 would die, too. I guess you'll see that in 5 years or something. :) )

However, everyone at smugmug uses Firefox as their primary browser when they're not testing - not by any company policy, but because everyone likes to use the best tool for the job.

BTW, smugmug's Firefox usage is well above 20%, and growing fast. 80% is still king, but we can read the writing on the wall.

Don

DJ-S1

Aug-18-2005, 05:38 PM

BTW, smugmug's Firefox usage is well above 20%, and growing fast.Funny you should mention, I just read this article (http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,122213,00.asp) about browser market share. Apparently July was the first month since Firefox 1.0 was released where Firefox use declined. Probably a temporary hiccup, Firefox is good stuff.

W.W. Webster

Aug-20-2005, 02:30 AM

80% of smugmug's development work and testing work is done in IE6 on various flavors of Windows. That's roughly in line with the % of IE6 users actually using the site, so I think it's fair.

We don't do any IE5 testing anymore, since Microsoft hasn't supported it in years, and neither does anyone else. Doing all the great stuff we're doing would be impossible if we had to support it. (The truth is, we'd have a much better site if IE6 would die, too. I guess you'll see that in 5 years or something. :) )

However, everyone at smugmug uses Firefox as their primary browser when they're not testing - not by any company policy, but because everyone likes to use the best tool for the job.

BTW, smugmug's Firefox usage is well above 20%, and growing fast. 80% is still king, but we can read the writing on the wall.

Don
If Smugmug studiously avoids any code which is not W3 standards-compliant (whether specific to Microsoft or any other browser), it won't matter which browser users have - their Smugmug experience should always be as intended, provided the standards are correctly implemented in the browser.

The day I'm compelled to use a Microsoft (or any other specific) browser for Smugmug to operate correctly on my computer is the day I'd be (very, very reluctantly) out of here! If each new version is checked before public release to ensure strict W3 compliance, users of Firefox, Safari, Opera, or any other browser from the many responsible providers will always have a superb Smugmug experience.

While I'm at it, I must add that I'm a very recent subscriber but I've already come to the view that this is without doubt one of the finest user-tailorable sites on the web. And from the ongoing development programme, it will only get better.

Thanks Smugmug, and keep up the good work!

pumpkin

Aug-20-2005, 03:07 AM

If Smugmug studiously avoids any code which is not W3 standards-compliant (whether specific to Microsoft or any other browser), it won't matter which browser users have - their Smugmug experience should always be as intended, provided the standards are correctly implemented in the browser.

The day I'm compelled to use a Microsoft (or any other specific) browser for Smugmug to operate correctly on my computer is the day I'd be (very, very reluctantly) out of here! If each new version is checked before public release to ensure strict W3 compliance, users of Firefox, Safari, Opera, or any other browser from the many responsible providers will always have a superb Smugmug experience.

While I'm at it, I must add that I'm a very recent subscriber but I've already come to the view that this is without doubt one of the finest user-tailorable sites on the web. And from the ongoing development programme, it will only get better.

Thanks Smugmug, and keep up the good work!

I couldn't agree more. Testing on a "minority" browser, such as Firefox or Opera, will almost certainly maintain compatibility with IE because they were generally tailored to be as compatible with IE as possible (as most of the net is tailored to IE,) while maintaining standards compliance. Both are available for most platforms, which beats Microsoft's offering by leaps and bounds (IE for Mac has long been discontinued.)

Anyway just a couple of cents from my pocket :P

Fuzzytek

Sep-13-2005, 01:04 PM

Another person looking for a CSS tag guide. :dunno Will it be incorporated in the Smugmug Help or stand-alone as a blog? Either way, I'm anxiously awaiting the guide. If it gets down to downloading the CSS files I guess I can do that on my own. Doing that would be an investment of my time in a way that Sumgmug would duplicate.

I've got a few Smugmug sites to be launched quickly. I definately need to become an affliate ASAP.

Any update on the CSS tag guide? Sorry if I missed it elsewhere.

DoozieLoo

Sep-25-2005, 03:14 PM

Perhaps I missed something here, but my galleries are all strung out now and it looks awful!
I've tried to move them back the way they used to be and I'm obviously missing something.
I had them all nice and pretty and organized...now they are ALL just out there.
I had sports functions under.."Sports" and individual wedding albums all under "weddings" - but now when you open my site you see everything all out in a jumble, like I have 5,000 galleries. What a mess!
It looks awful and I am hating for people to see it this way! It wasn't the best site by any means, but still much better than this!
I don't know if I did something to it, or if this happened w/ the changes. I don't think I did it, b/c I haven't messed w/ anything that I know of other than changing out my title bar.
But I don't recall if this happened immediately after the changes or not.
Can someone help me?:scratch
Please?
www.aimeepaynephotography.com (http://www.aimeepaynephotography.com)

Thanks!

Andy

Sep-25-2005, 04:22 PM

Can someone help me?:scratch
Please?
www.aimeepaynephotography.com (http://www.aimeepaynephotography.com)

Thanks!

on your main page, have you accidentally clicked on

dispaly: galleries? my guess is you had previously told your site to display categories and everything was soldiered up properly...

:ear

DoozieLoo

Sep-25-2005, 09:14 PM

on your main page, have you accidentally clicked on

dispaly: galleries? my guess is you had previously told your site to display categories and everything was soldiered up properly...

:earAndy...
You are a GENIOUS! And well, I'm a huge dork! Thank you so so so so much! I should have known I did it! :rolleyes
I kept thinking back, that it had not gotten messed up w/ the changes...but SURELY there was no way that I did that! Simple simple simple things confuse the simple minded.
Thanks a MIL!!!! :clap

StevenV

Sep-29-2005, 07:04 AM

Another person looking for a CSS tag guide.
Ditto. Just "went pro" last night, and I grok CSS, just need a guide to the divs and spans used here. There's a lot of info spread through these forums, it'd help if it was consolidated somewhere (and maybe it is, but I couldn't find it).

Andy

Sep-29-2005, 07:07 AM

Ditto. Just "went pro" last night, and I grok CSS, just need a guide to the divs and spans used here. There's a lot of info spread through these forums, it'd help if it was consolidated somewhere (and maybe it is, but I couldn't find it).

congrats, and :wave welcome to dgrin

look in the stickys in this forum also
http://blogs.smugmug.com/web-tricks/

Andy

Sep-29-2005, 07:08 AM

Andy...
You are a GENIOUS! And well, I'm a huge dork! Thank you so so so so much! I should have known I did it! :rolleyes
I kept thinking back, that it had not gotten messed up w/ the changes...but SURELY there was no way that I did that! Simple simple simple things confuse the simple minded.
Thanks a MIL!!!! :clap

simple is as simple does :lol3

glad it worked out, and don't worry - this has happened to many folks!

StevenV

Sep-29-2005, 07:11 AM

congrats, and :wave welcome to dgrin

look in the stickys in this forum also
http://blogs.smugmug.com/web-tricks/ thanks, and I'll also leave a pointer here as well. http://dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=17242&page=2&pp=10 seems to have a lot of them collected in one place.

[edit] Doh! And http://www.smugmug.com/help/custom-colors of course.