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Edward in Toronto
Aug-05-2009, 03:11 PM
Lake Huron, a compressed view using a 100 mm lens on a 1.6 crop factor camera. Looking out to Bear’s Rump Island from the shores of Bruce Peninsula National Park.

Please feel free to take apart and critique my watermark also.

Thanks, Ed

http://edwardintoronto.smugmug.com/photos/568943782_YeEZR-L-8.jpg

Katmitchell
Aug-05-2009, 04:47 PM
The way you have divided your composition makes the rock your point of interest.. Is this truly what you were going for?:scratch


Also, what was your aperture setting here? The rock is in sharp focus, and the water and sky seem to fade out. However, I cannot tell if that was your aperture or if it was just a haze out on the water..

Kat

Edward in Toronto
Aug-05-2009, 05:08 PM
The way you have divided your composition makes the rock your point of interest.. Is this truly what you were going for?:scratch


Also, what was your aperture setting here? The rock is in sharp focus, and the water and sky seem to fade out. However, I cannot tell if that was your aperture or if it was just a haze out on the water..

Kat

It was a humid and hazy day, a slight mist on the water, the aperture was f/8.

I was going for the contrast between the hard rock, hard contrast and light, lots of texture, and the island in the hazy distance.

I realize that I’m breaking the rule of thirds with the rock, but I don’t know how else to do it, if I were to move the rock up higher, I would loose the balance from the island and clouds. If I were to move the rock down, it wouldn’t be the same either; the rock is the main subject. The only way I could do it was a 50/50 split between the contrasting, with an equal balance between them.

Photog4Christ
Aug-05-2009, 05:19 PM
Well, since you said to "take apart your watermark".... Why is "Edward into ronto"?? :D

Katmitchell
Aug-05-2009, 05:20 PM
Ok.. I am not saying it does not work.. I am just making sure that was your intention..:D.. I would have increased the F # to get more detail on the water...

I do like the way the hill and the clouds on the right balance out the hump in the rock on the left.


Kat

Edward in Toronto
Aug-05-2009, 05:29 PM
Ok.. I am not saying it does not work.. I am just making sure that was your intention..:D.. I would have increased the F # to get more detail on the water...

I do like the way the hill and the clouds on the right balance out the hump in the rock on the left.


Kat

Yes, thank you, I was just rambling on about it.

HoofClix
Aug-05-2009, 06:08 PM
A lot of good in this image! I love the color and the simplicity..

Kat has a great point about the aperture. You could have perhaps narrowed it a bit more to get the island into better focus, but with the haze that might not have happened anyway.

I like that way that the islands slope out of the horizon balances with the flow of the line of the rock. Points of interest in this view are the island and the orange part of the rock. You can immediately regain adherance to the rule of thirds by cropping off the bottom of the rock to put them on the horizontal thirds. Crop everything from the top of the white part of the rock. Everyone scroll this very page to cut all of that out to see what I mean. You could move your shot a bit to the right to put the orange a bit more solidly on the vertical third. To regain the rule of thirds you have to break that other rule that everyone seems to adhere to, the rule of 1:1.5 aspect ratio!!!

As for your watermark, one would be enough, and as subtle as you can make it is best. I had a bit of trouble reading your dark lettering in your post though!:D

Nice!

InsuredDisaster
Aug-06-2009, 09:19 AM
I'm not sure if you water marks are about copy and theft protection or just there for some credit, and what you meant by crtique you watermarks.

I would guess the one in the upper left is bordering on useless. Since the sky has virutally no real detail up there anyway, it could be cloned out or even "healed" in less than 3 seconds.

Really can't see the one on the side left. once it gets to the rocks. In fact, I could clone out both of the side watermarks within 15 seconds. You might be able to tell if you were really looking, but I don't really notice. I just left where it goes into the rocks since you can't see that anyway.

The lower one at least for me would post the most difficult part; I'd switch to crop mode and just crop it out.

Maybe put a larger, faint watermark in the middle so that it prevents can't be cropped out, and cloning and healing might take a lot longer?


That being said, as for the image. I wish it wasn't so hazy. Does anyone think a polarizing filter might help? If only to make the clouds pop a bit more and draw the eye over the image? For me, my eye just stops right on the red part of the rocks.

Miguel Delinquento
Aug-06-2009, 09:53 AM
Well, I like your intention, but this image as executed is half-baked. The nice light leads me up the rock, but then the horizon is a wash out. Blue on blue, there is too much non-drama. I don't think any kind of a crop will make a significant change.

Re: watermark, why don't you just upload a low-res image that will look good on the screen only? A small copyright symbol and your name is more important.

M

bloomphotog
Aug-06-2009, 10:42 AM
I have a hard time determining the subject of this shot. I think the rocks are full of character and are quite interesting, but the shot does not really do them or the ocean view justice. I'm a big fan of using telephoto for landscapes, but for this shot I think a wider angle, and a different composition would look better.

Edward in Toronto
Aug-06-2009, 12:06 PM
I'm not sure if you water marks are about copy and theft protection or just there for some credit, and what you meant by crtique you watermarks.

I would guess the one in the upper left is bordering on useless. Since the sky has virutally no real detail up there anyway, it could be cloned out or even "healed" in less than 3 seconds.

Really can't see the one on the side left. once it gets to the rocks. In fact, I could clone out both of the side watermarks within 15 seconds. You might be able to tell if you were really looking, but I don't really notice. I just left where it goes into the rocks since you can't see that anyway.

The lower one at least for me would post the most difficult part; I'd switch to crop mode and just crop it out.

Maybe put a larger, faint watermark in the middle so that it prevents can't be cropped out, and cloning and healing might take a lot longer?


That being said, as for the image. I wish it wasn't so hazy. Does anyone think a polarizing filter might help? If only to make the clouds pop a bit more and draw the eye over the image? For me, my eye just stops right on the red part of the rocks.

Thanks InsuredDisaster for taking the time to put forth so many points.

I want a watermark that is good for theft and credit, I have my images hot-linked by other sites, and forum posts, many times foreign websites with Spanish like text, Arabic like text and Oriental style text. I few years ago I used to get upset at people hot-linking my images, now I want to relax and have a lay-back approach of clearly putting my domain name on my images and if anybody hot-links them, then hey, go ahead, free advertising for me.

The other thing is I’ve been thinking about how easy it is, if I have just a watermark on the bottom, to crop off the bottom. I’ve been playing around with a few ideas, the extra watermarks on the sides and top is just one I’m trying out. It shows up differently on different images. From the feed back I’ve been getting, I think I might be a little much and I might have to rethink the idea.

I realize that someone with your ability would have no problem with a cloning tool to get around my watermarks. People with your technical savvy aren’t the type to steal other peoples images, they can make there own content for websites. I like the way my daughter describes it,… people who want to steal your web content are usually people who don’t know how to clone out a watermark, or get around ‘right click disable’.

I’d like to avoid the watermark in the middle thing, I have thought about it many times over the years, it’s just that I have many people come to my website to just look at the photo galleries, and I’d like keep that centers clear. That’s way I was toying around with different ideas of ‘all around the edges’.

I did have a polarizer on, it was very hazy that day, we get some very hazy days in the summer up around here, being surrounded by all of The Great Lakes.

Thanks for your comments, I can see now it’s a little mushy on the top.

Edward in Toronto
Aug-06-2009, 12:17 PM
Thank you for your ideas everyone, you've all helped me very much, because after reading all of your posts, I got the idea that I'm going to reshot that shot next time I'm up at the Bruce Peninsula National Park. I go up there 3 or 4 times a year.

When I reshot it, I'm going to pick a clear day without hazy conditions, just a few puffy clouds in the sky. I'm also going to crouch down a little lower so that the island is closer to the top of the rock, that way I can bring the top of the rock up to the top 1/3th line.

Thanks you everyone, you've help me refine the idea.