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aktse
Sep-20-2008, 01:56 PM
And in his words --- "5D MKII will possibly change the path of my career as well as the photography industry to some degree"

Vincent Laforet was one of the New York Times photogs, and most recently, shot the Olympics for newsweek as part of their photo dream team. He's a member of the Canon Explorer of Light and was in the canon offices as the first 5D MKII arrived in the US.

I chatted with a canon pro today and he mentioned about a video that he saw from Vincent. "Incredible" was the word used...

And his blog entry came across my feed when I got home.

Vincent Laforet's Weekend with the new 5D (http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/20/something-very-interesting-is-comingboth-to-this-blog-and-to-our-industry/)

From looking at the comments, Vincent Laforet is answer questions in the comment section.

I can't wait to see the video.

Moogle Pepper
Sep-20-2008, 02:05 PM
That's the final straw. It is the upgrade that I want to upgrade to! :rofl

colourbox
Sep-20-2008, 02:22 PM
There are probably people who still think video is a gimmick, but this camera is a guaranteed sale for professional photojournalists who are already using HD video cameras (http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1774) to capture frames for print.

Second, this is the flip side of Red announcing a still SLR (http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/09/red-takes-aim-a.html). Red, the camera that Hollywood directors use to shoot video in hi-res raw format for theaters. Digital is making image frame capture so routine that there will eventually be no point in maintaining a wall between your 10fps dSLR and your 30fps HD video camera. Both sides are saying let's bridge that gap already.

I was thinkin' about getting an HD video camera but maybe I'll just wait until I upgrade my Canon SLR. Because I already know how much I use my old miniDV camcorder: Not really all that much. Since the 5D MKII is optimized for stills and video is an occasional secondary use, it could be perfect for me.

Andy
Sep-20-2008, 03:47 PM
And in his words --- "5D MKII will possibly change the path of my career as well as the photography industry to some degree"

Go search the other forums :rolleyes and see how many instances of '5d is NOT a pro's camera' show up :evil

Andy
Sep-20-2008, 06:37 PM
It's really nice to see the 5D II used by a true professional. Whoa.

Pindy
Sep-20-2008, 09:22 PM
Andy, thanks for offering to host VL's video. Dyin' to see it.

jonh68
Sep-20-2008, 10:17 PM
I think savvy wedding photographers will be putting videographers out of business. The creativity this opens up is amazing.

Richard
Sep-21-2008, 04:36 AM
Laforet's blog got me to thinking about how the video capture might be useful even if the target is a still frame. A couple of questions came to mind:

What are the pixel dimensions of an image extracted from the video?

What happens to focus during a zoom? I'm guessing it all goes to hell, but in truth I have no idea of how this might work.

pyry
Sep-21-2008, 05:20 AM
Lots of praise from Vincent all right. Not sure I'm sold yet though :D

Laforet's blog got me to thinking about how the video capture might be useful even if the target is a still frame. A couple of questions came to mind:

What are the pixel dimensions of an image extracted from the video?

What happens to focus during a zoom? I'm guessing it all goes to hell, but in truth I have no idea of how this might work.

1920x1080 for full HD.

Focus, nothing AI servo can't fix. Focal length during focusing is completely 'nuther thing though, lenses for video (should) try to avoid something called focus breathing, lenses for EF and other still formats just let it happen.

Andy
Sep-21-2008, 05:40 AM
Andy, thanks for offering to host VL's video. Dyin' to see it.
We're working on things right now, Vincent and I have been emailing back and forth since the wee hours. Stay tuned.

Oh, and the film?

:jawdrop

Shima
Sep-21-2008, 06:10 AM
We're working on things right now, Vincent and I have been emailing back and forth since the wee hours. Stay tuned.

Oh, and the film?

:jawdrop

Exciting! Looking forward to seeing it :)

chrisdg
Sep-21-2008, 09:28 AM
Hopefully I am not being overly manipulated by the hype, but I think this article confirms my decision to upgrade my 30D to the 5D MKII instead of the 50D...even though I'll have to sell my two EF-S lenses and reinvest in another (costly) FF ultrawide lens.

I am predominantly a travel photographer, so the ability to easily add HD video into my arsenal without the added weight of a dedicated camcorder and all of its accessories is very enticing. Of course, SmugMug's ability to now handle video means I don't need to alter my method of presentation/sharing either. Cool bonus....although I'll need to upgrade my standard account to power or pro (which I'm sure smugmug is happy to hear).

Matthew Saville
Sep-21-2008, 11:00 AM
We're working on things right now, Vincent and I have been emailing back and forth since the wee hours. Stay tuned.

Oh, and the film?

:jawdropREALLY wanna see that video!!! Let us all know the moment it goes up and public, okay?

=Matt=

Matthew Saville
Sep-21-2008, 11:10 AM
Hopefully I am not being overly manipulated by the hype, but I think this article confirms my decision to upgrade my 30D to the 5D MKII instead of the 50D...even though I'll have to sell my two EF-S lenses and reinvest in another (costly) FF ultrawide lens.

I am predominantly a travel photographer, so the ability to easily add HD video into my arsenal without the added weight of a dedicated camcorder and all of its accessories is very enticing. Of course, SmugMug's ability to now handle video means I don't need to alter my method of presentation/sharing either. Cool bonus....although I'll need to upgrade my standard account to power or pro (which I'm sure smugmug is happy to hear).Ironically, the 50D is better than the 5D mk2 in every way OTHER than the sensor- the 5D mk2 only has one cross-type AF point even!

For those who need 21 megapixels AND clean ISO 6400 AND HD video, the 5D mk2 is a holy grail. Even as a Nikon shooter I was extremely excited to see what the 5D mk2 might bring, before deciding which full-frame system to adopt in the coming years. But i have to say the D700 + D300 make tons more sense to me, as a peak-action photojournalist and misc. action shooter. I really do use spot metering linked to each focus point, I really do use THAT many focus points, and the frame rate / shutter lag, well I won't even go there, except to say that the 5D mk2 is about as slow as the XSi. But that's enough rain on the parade, I'll shut up now!

=Matt=

Andy
Sep-21-2008, 02:28 PM
REALLY wanna see that video!!! Let us all know the moment it goes up and public, okay?

=Matt=
Sure I'll post here but you might wanna RSS That blog post, AND the comments :evil

You don't wanna miss what's gonna go down, trust me :D

Moogle Pepper
Sep-21-2008, 05:42 PM
So you seen it already, Andy?

And I am going to guess that you are going to buy the 5D MK II.:D

Andy
Sep-21-2008, 05:43 PM
So you seen it already, Andy?
I might have seen it. :evil

You'll DEFINITELY want to stay tuned to Vincent's blog, and the comments. (RSS for both!).



And I am going to guess that you are going to buy the 5D MK II.:D
Yes, I have it on pre-order with Tallyn's already.

ziggy53
Sep-21-2008, 06:01 PM
Whoa baby. :thumb:clap:thumb:clap:barb


http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/20/something-very-interesting-is-comingboth-to-this-blog-and-to-our-industry/#comment-1152




Vincent, you’ve wrecked my sleep too. :-) All I can think about is what a game changer this is and how I can’t stand the wait for mine.

So here’s a blog comment you don’t see every day: you’ve done such an amazing job in so short a time with so little budget, we’d love to see what you could do with more.

I work at SmugMug and we’re crazy about video and photography, so we’ll donate at least $25K towards your next film, maybe $50K. And we’ll provide awesome, fast hosting.

It’d be great if other companies/people stepped up to match us so you could do something stunning.

Who knows if it makes marketing sense, but I do know how exciting it’ll be.

Maybe this gets me an early one from Canon?!! :-) At least it gets a bunch of us drooling on our keyboards as we live vicariously through you.

Chris MacAskill
Comment by Chris MacAskill 09.21.08 @ 8:55 pm

ziggy53
Sep-21-2008, 06:07 PM
Whoa baby. :thumb:clap:thumb:clap:barb

Well both Andy's pre-purchase and Baldy's announcement. :thumb:clap:thumb:clap:barb

Moogle Pepper
Sep-21-2008, 06:16 PM
Sweet, Andy!! Vincent preordered 4!!! :huh

Oh reading the comments was pretty overwhelming!!

Shima
Sep-21-2008, 10:18 PM
So Tallyn's and Adorama, where else can you pre-order the beauties?

And that is seriously amazing that you guys are not only going to try and host this but also donate 25k to a future video, WOW. I am constantly reminded every day why I love smugmug.

thebigsky
Sep-22-2008, 03:18 AM
Does the 1ds MKIII make sense anymore, I'm aware of the differences, but can the price differential be justified?

http://www.canon.co.uk/for_home/compare_products/loadcomparator.asp?prod=2764B007AA;2011B004AA;&lang=UK&country=UK&dir=/for_home/product_finder/cameras/digital_slr/

Charlie

DoctorIt
Sep-22-2008, 04:10 AM
Does the 1ds MKIII make sense anymore, I'm aware of the differences, but can the price differential be justified?

CharlieThe 5D is much slower - buffer and focus. See above a few posts, someone pointed out that even the XSi is faster. Canon are not dummies, they wouldn't make the 5D even come close to the speed on the 1D for sports and action.



Can't wait to see that video :ear

thebigsky
Sep-22-2008, 04:14 AM
The 5D is much slower - buffer and focus. See above a few posts, someone pointed out that even the XSi is faster. Canon are not dummies, they wouldn't make the 5D even come close to the speed on the 1D for sports and action.

I just wonder about the difference in prices, I don't know about other countries but in the UK the projected prices suggest you can buy two 5d MKII's for one 1ds MK III

Or a 1D MK III and a 5d MK II


Can't wait to see that video :ear

Me either, is it sad to be this excited?

Charlie

Andy
Sep-22-2008, 04:50 AM
I just wonder about the difference in prices, I don't know about other countries but in the UK the projected prices suggest you can buy two 5d MKII's for one 1ds MK III

Or a 1D MK III and a 5d MK II




Me either, is it sad to be this excited?

Charlie
:lol3 nope not sad at all. As one of the very few people who've seen this amazing video, I can say that if your jaw doesn't drop, someone should call 911, because you probably don't have a pulse :D

Stay tuned......

Moogle Pepper
Sep-22-2008, 05:07 AM
Oh Snap!

Shima
Sep-22-2008, 09:38 AM
Yes, I have it on pre-order with Tallyn's already.

After a bunch of debating, emailing back and forth with the friendly folks at Tallyn's... (and finding out that the list is only under 15 people as of this morning, which I assume includes Andy)....

I pre-ordered one o.O :lust

Andy
Sep-22-2008, 09:41 AM
After a bunch of debating, emailing back and forth with the friendly folks at Tallyn's... (and finding out that the list is only under 15 people as of this morning, which I assume includes Andy)....

I pre-ordered one o.O :lust
It's me, and 15 other Dgrinners :D

DavidTO
Sep-22-2008, 10:00 AM
It's me, and 15 other Dgrinners :D


Would be nice if they offered Dgrinners free upgraded shipping, wouldn't it? :D

Awais Yaqub
Sep-22-2008, 10:05 AM
Wow i hope i was camera vendor lots of business.

Moogle Pepper
Sep-22-2008, 10:19 AM
After a bunch of debating, emailing back and forth with the friendly folks at Tallyn's... (and finding out that the list is only under 15 people as of this morning, which I assume includes Andy)....

I pre-ordered one o.O :lust

Oh right now inquiring tallyns!!!

About financing!! >.>

So mark it down as 15 1/2 as preordering it!!


I only have one ef-s lens.. to sell it or not. It's my ultra wide angle.

chrisdg
Sep-22-2008, 10:59 AM
It's me, and 15 other Dgrinners :D

You can include me in that count...I ordered one from them this morning per Andy's recommendation.

My only reservation about this camera (aside from having to ditch my EFS lenses) is the relatively low frames-per-second.

Pindy
Sep-22-2008, 11:04 AM
You can include me in that count...I ordered one from them this morning per Andy's recommendation.

My only reservation about this camera (aside from having to ditch my EFS lenses) is the relatively low frames-per-second.

True. One camera cannot be all things to all people, though I think Nikon leads in this area, keeping more pro features on it's lower-end models, potentially cannibalising it's pro lineup. Having said that, the 5D was never intended to be a sports camera, and I share your frustration.

Andy
Sep-22-2008, 11:33 AM
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/22/video-to-go-live-within-the-next-12-hours/

DavidTO
Sep-22-2008, 11:38 AM
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/22/video-to-go-live-within-the-next-12-hours/


w00t!

aktse
Sep-22-2008, 11:43 AM
:clap:clap:clap

Awais Yaqub
Sep-22-2008, 12:00 PM
Cannot wait to see the video

Shima
Sep-22-2008, 12:37 PM
Would be nice if they offered Dgrinners free upgraded shipping, wouldn't it? :D

Tallyn's said that it is actually free shipping on the 5d Mark II, they have to manually remove it from the invoice :)


In other news, the 12 second teaser on smugmug's site for this video isn't loading :(

In response to the low FPS comment made earlier, I'm only selling my 30D when the 5D Mark II arrives, I'm totally keeping my 40D for sports and the EF-S lens usage! :) I'm a two body girl, one I tried two, I was hooked.

Matthew Saville
Sep-22-2008, 02:06 PM
The 5D is much slower - buffer and focus. See above a few posts, someone pointed out that even the XSi is faster. Canon are not dummies, they wouldn't make the 5D even come close to the speed on the 1D for sports and action.

Can't wait to see that video :ear
Ah crap, that must mean they're complete dummies over at Nikon! They must not have got the memo about "be stingy your flagship series features!" ...cause we have the D700 and the D300!

:-P

(Still excited to see the video, though...)

=Matt=

Andy
Sep-22-2008, 02:07 PM
In other news, the 12 second teaser on smugmug's site for this video isn't loading :(


What flash are you at? Posti in SmugMug Support and we'll help

Matthew Saville
Sep-22-2008, 02:10 PM
In response to the low FPS comment made earlier, I'm only selling my 30D when the 5D Mark II arrives, I'm totally keeping my 40D for sports and the EF-S lens usage! :) I'm a two body girl, one I tried two, I was hooked.
Way to go! The 40D/50D + 5D mk2 is going to be THE (Canon) setup to own for covering any kind of event. Glad to see that some Canon shooters have an open mind about the usefulness of APS-C!

=Matt=

DavidTO
Sep-22-2008, 02:12 PM
Tallyn's said that it is actually free shipping on the 5d Mark II, they have to manually remove it from the invoice :)




I know. I was suggesting an upgrade to the free ground. :D

Moogle Pepper
Sep-22-2008, 02:14 PM
Way to go! The 40D/50D + 5D mk2 is going to be THE (Canon) setup to own for covering any kind of event. Glad to see that some Canon shooters have an open mind about the usefulness of APS-C!

=Matt=

That's why I am keeping my 30D when I get mine!


I HATE TEASERS!!

chrisdg
Sep-22-2008, 02:25 PM
The 5D is much slower - buffer and focus.

I understand the lower FPS on the 5DmkII vs the 50D, but why is the auto-focus "much slower"? Is it related to the 9-cross type on the 50D versus only 1-out-of-9 being cross type on the 5DmkII?

And can we really be sure of that focusing will be noticeably slower until we get them in our hands? Regarding the current products, for those who have used both, does the 30D/40D focus noticably faster than the 5D?

DavidTO
Sep-22-2008, 03:12 PM
Ya know, SmugMug talks about following their passions....and they put their money where their mouth is (http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/22/smug-mug-commits-to-sponsor-next-film/)!

:clap

EDIT for clarity: SMUG MUG COMMITS TO SPONSOR NEXT FILM is the title of the page I linked. :wink

Moogle Pepper
Sep-22-2008, 03:15 PM
Ahhh another happy Smugmug user.. if not, to be!

Matthew Saville
Sep-22-2008, 08:18 PM
I understand the lower FPS on the 5DmkII vs the 50D, but why is the auto-focus "much slower"? Is it related to the 9-cross type on the 50D versus only 1-out-of-9 being cross type on the 5DmkII?

And can we really be sure of that focusing will be noticeably slower until we get them in our hands? Regarding the current products, for those who have used both, does the 30D/40D focus noticably faster than the 5D?

1.) Correct.

2.) Nope, we can't say anything difinitively until we have an official review from a competent photographer.

3.) Yes, the 40D / 50D are nice and snappy at all 9 AF points, even in low light, while the 5D is basically a one-point game. You use the center point, then re-compose. In all but the most texture-rich, well-lit situations, I mean.

Read here on a professional wedding photographers blog, who recently switched to the 1Ds mk3:

http://www.thebschoolblog.com/index.cfm?postID=188

The 5D mk2 might have a slightly better center point than the 50D / 40D, given the 6 additional "assist points". But I hardly EVER use the center point. I know this is very largely a matter of personal preference, but I would simply strongly advise anyone who is used to the 40D / 50D AF system to test out a 5D / 5D mk2 before buying! The other thing they don't even mention at all, ever is that thanks to the fuller frame that you get with "full frame", ...those AF points are clumped in the very center quite restrictively. Whereas the 1.6x Canons have nice, cross-type AF points right where you want them at the 1/3 locations...

=Matt=

Andy
Sep-22-2008, 08:44 PM
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/22/without-further-ado-reverie/

sbressler
Sep-22-2008, 08:45 PM
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/22/without-further-ado-reverie/
Post is password protected it seems, but the password is simply "reverie" (without the quotes).

No need to visit LaForet's excellent blog - view the actual video here: http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2086

Pindy
Sep-22-2008, 08:47 PM
Re: AF, I read somewhere that Chuck Westfall said the 5DmkII center point (with 6-points enabled) tracks better than the 40-50D in AI SERVO mode.

Matthew Saville
Sep-22-2008, 08:51 PM
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/22/without-further-ado-reverie/
GORGEOUS!!!

(but, did Smugmug end up getting the honor of hosting? I see no indication...)

=Matt=

Pindy
Sep-22-2008, 08:53 PM
Serious YOWZA.

BradfordBenn
Sep-22-2008, 08:54 PM
Holy Cats! Pretty impressive.

cmason
Sep-22-2008, 08:56 PM
That caused a stream of shocked profanities to come out. I don't think I have ever seen such sharpness and definition in a video, except maybe in a handful of BluRay movies on a 1080P tv...

Would like to see the full monty though...of course that probably could not be streamed

Andy
Sep-22-2008, 08:57 PM
GORGEOUS!!!

(but, did Smugmug end up getting the honor of hosting? I see no indication...)

=Matt=
Stay tuned, there's MORE ! :D

aktse
Sep-22-2008, 08:58 PM
Stunning.

And so beautiful! From the opening to the aerial view with the reflections from the glasses.

sbressler
Sep-22-2008, 08:59 PM
http://downloads.canon.com/CDLC/Reverie_Final_Cut2_midres.m4v

sbressler
Sep-22-2008, 09:00 PM
Stay tuned, there's MORE ! :D Vincent said the behind the scenes footage would go live on SmugMug at the same time I thought...

Guess not. Hope to see it soon!

aktse
Sep-22-2008, 09:09 PM
And I"m trying to figure out which frames were shot with each lens!

Such a beautiful piece of work!

Vanquiz
Sep-22-2008, 09:12 PM
Wow :jawdrop

This is waaaaaaaaay exceeds my expectation, time to start collecting some funds :scratch

cmason
Sep-22-2008, 09:14 PM
That music was mesmerizing too...had to go get it...so Vincent also sold a Moby tune tonite..LOL (Extreme Ways by Moby...and now I recall it was music in the Bourne Ultimatum too)

Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Ways/dp/B0017199MG/ref=sr_f2_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1222143138&sr=102-1)

Andy
Sep-22-2008, 09:22 PM
Vincent said the behind the scenes footage would go live on SmugMug at the same time I thought...

Guess not. Hope to see it soon!
Soon :D

Matthew Saville
Sep-22-2008, 09:36 PM
That music was mesmerizing too...had to go get it...so Vincent also sold a Moby tune tonite..LOL (Extreme Ways by Moby...and now I recall it was music in the Bourne Ultimatum too)

Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Ways/dp/B0017199MG/ref=sr_f2_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1222143138&sr=102-1)Ironic that I was right in the middle of listening to some moby when I started watching, too. Perfect song to get Canon fans pumped up! I know MY jaw hit the floor! I wanna see more footage!!!

I WANNA SEE THE RAW 1080P!!!

=Matt=

Andy
Sep-22-2008, 10:08 PM
Soon :D
Be the first:

http://vincentlaforet.smugmug.com/gallery/6021407_xEg87/1/378479692_MRytZ#378479692_MRytZ-A-LB

:D

Vanquiz
Sep-22-2008, 10:16 PM
Be the first:

http://vincentlaforet.smugmug.com/gallery/6021407_xEg87/1/378479692_MRytZ#378479692_MRytZ-A-LB

:D

Guess Im the first? Haha, Thanks Andy :clap

gluwater
Sep-22-2008, 10:30 PM
The Making of roxzorz!!! Can't stop watching it! Love the use of the T/S in the short.

Baldy
Sep-22-2008, 10:36 PM
Can't stop watching it!I've watched at least 12 times. I just can't believe it.

Must. Have. This. Camera! :barb

Andy
Sep-22-2008, 10:37 PM
I've watched at least 12 times. I just can't believe it.

Must. Have. This. Camera! :barb
I've been watching it so many times since yesterday, I wanted to show everyone!!!!! I can't stop either.

Going to try and sleep now, with 1080p Hi Def dreamz :D

Shima
Sep-22-2008, 10:49 PM
I've been watching it so many times since yesterday, I wanted to show everyone!!!!! I can't stop either.

Going to try and sleep now, with 1080p Hi Def dreamz :D

Man am I so happy I pre-ordered one... this is just an amazing and awe inspiring video for the capabilities and possibilities!

Baldy
Sep-22-2008, 11:42 PM
Hey, if you Digg, can you Digg this?

http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/09/22/amazing-canon-5d-mkii-hd-video-footage/

That community has to go crazy over this footage and seeing it on the front page would be awesome.

Just scroll to the bottom of that blog entry to digg it.

Thanks!
Baldy

Matthew Saville
Sep-23-2008, 12:07 AM
Hey, if you Digg, can you Digg this?

http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/09/22/amazing-canon-5d-mkii-hd-video-footage/

That community has to go crazy over this footage and seeing it on the front page would be awesome.

Just scroll to the bottom of that blog entry to digg it.

Thanks!
Baldy

When / where can I download this in all it's beauty for my iPod etc. so that I can take it everywhere with me?

:-D

=Matt=

sbressler
Sep-23-2008, 12:09 AM
I've been watching it so many times since yesterday, I wanted to show everyone!!!!! I can't stop either.

Going to try and sleep now, with 1080p Hi Def dreamz :D
Are there any plans to share the original 1080p version anytime? The SmugMug version is higher res but more compressed than the Canon version and I'd love to see what this camera really is capable of...

thebigsky
Sep-23-2008, 01:56 AM
Wow. :jawdrop that's it really.

Well done Smugmug for getting involved :thumb

Presumably at some point, these cameras will be so powerful, we won't have to worry about missing the perfect moment to capture an image, you just film your scene and then extract the best frame, scary.

Charlie

Moogle Pepper
Sep-23-2008, 03:07 AM
TIME TO PREORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!! :deal

jogle
Sep-23-2008, 03:32 AM
TIME TO PREORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!! :deal

Did that on the announcement day. :barb

Manfr3d
Sep-23-2008, 03:55 AM
Did that on the announcement day. :barb

That was a smart move, I called 5 retailers in Germany they
all have waiting lists with well over 30 to 50 people on it. Two
retailers already ordered additional palettes from Canon, and
most couldn't say know how many cameras Canon would send
with the first delivery to their stores. This is crazy. If you want
one order it before the all those video guys join this frenzy too:wink

DoctorIt
Sep-23-2008, 03:58 AM
So cool. I've watched Reverie at least 10 times now.


Can I ask a dumb question: what is so much more hype-worthy about this 5D than Nikon's D90? I'm really not trying to start anything, I just want to know. Is it the low-light capability and just general image quality from the full-frame 5D sensor? Clearly 1080HD beats Nikon's 720HD, I know that.

Or, is it simply that Canon was smart enough to leak this product to someone like Vince? In other words, had Nikon been smarter, since the D90's actually available already, they would have taken a share of this "industry changing" hype sooner?

Or, am I missing something else?

Again, super-impressed, just curious. :D

Manfr3d
Sep-23-2008, 04:01 AM
So cool. I've watched Reverie at least 10 times now.


Can I ask a dumb question: what is so much more hype-worthy about this 5D than Nikon's D90? I'm really not trying to start anything, I just want to know. Is it the low-light capability and just general image quality from the full-frame 5D sensor? Clearly 1080HD beats Nikon's 720HD, I know that.

Or, is it simply that Canon was smart enough to leak this product to someone like Vince? In other words, had Nikon been smarter, since the D90's actually available already, they would have taken a share of this "industry changing" hype sooner?

Or, am I missing something else?

Again, super-impressed, just curious. :D

The D90 makes yelly-video (when panning) and is not as clean at ISO3200 for what I know.

DoctorIt
Sep-23-2008, 04:03 AM
yelly-video:dunno

So it's basically a quality issue. Makes sense.

Andy
Sep-23-2008, 04:33 AM
Are there any plans to share the original 1080p version anytime? The SmugMug version is higher res but more compressed than the Canon version and I'd love to see what this camera really is capable of...
Yes, we sure hope so! See Don's Blog:

http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/09/22/amazing-canon-5d-mkii-hd-video-footage/

cmason
Sep-23-2008, 04:35 AM
Hey, if you Digg, can you Digg this?

http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/09/22/amazing-canon-5d-mkii-hd-video-footage/

That community has to go crazy over this footage and seeing it on the front page would be awesome.

Just scroll to the bottom of that blog entry to digg it.

Thanks!
Baldy

Baldy, I just created a Yahoo! Buzz article as well, so go out there and vote:

http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:4b9e358e5207b29926058927478d65db:e92d6d849faba14 a8ad844cb4c2aeccc


(Buzz has WAY more traffic, but perhaps not as targeted as Digg)

Andy
Sep-23-2008, 04:49 AM
Baldy, I just created a Yahoo! Buzz article as well, so go out there and vote:

http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:4b9e358e5207b29926058927478d65db:e92d6d849faba14 a8ad844cb4c2aeccc


(Buzz has WAY more traffic, but perhaps not as targeted as Digg)
w00p! Thank you :D

Andy
Sep-23-2008, 05:26 AM
When / where can I download this in all it's beauty for my iPod etc. so that I can take it everywhere with me?

:-D

=Matt=
Matt, there's iTunes feeds right from the homepage :D

http://vincentlaforet.smugmug.com/ look @ the feeds links at the bottom :D

Andy
Sep-23-2008, 05:30 AM
Hey, if you Digg, can you Digg this?

http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/09/22/amazing-canon-5d-mkii-hd-video-footage/

That community has to go crazy over this footage and seeing it on the front page would be awesome.

Just scroll to the bottom of that blog entry to digg it.

Thanks!
Baldy
Bump for Morning Diggers :D

cmason
Sep-23-2008, 06:23 AM
Bump for Morning Diggers :D

Did we crush Don's blog? Can't access it?? I am at work now, though I can't imagine that is the problem...anybody else?

Andy
Sep-23-2008, 06:25 AM
Did we crush Don's blog? Can't access it?? I am at work now, though I can't imagine that is the problem...anybody else?
Being worked on :wxwax

jdryan3
Sep-23-2008, 07:08 AM
Be the first:

http://vincentlaforet.smugmug.com/gallery/6021407_xEg87/1/378479692_MRytZ#378479692_MRytZ-A-LB

:D

Wow! Really cool. The shallow DOF of the blue eye clip and the shot (albeit well lit) of the woman in the red dress are just stunning.

There was one shot (I think of the guy on the rail of the helicopter) where it was up close, shallow DOF and you could watch the focus point shift in and out. That alone is worth it.

Of course I would have to get that 400 f/2.8 I want to make this thing scream.

sbressler
Sep-23-2008, 07:50 AM
Yes, we sure hope so! See Don's Blog:

http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/09/22/amazing-canon-5d-mkii-hd-video-footage/
Haha, I got so taken away by the footage itself in Don's blog that I forgot to read that last paragraph... :rofl

Moogle Pepper
Sep-23-2008, 08:14 AM
I am watching the making of it again, and kept help but laugh like crazy when Vincent was on the toilet checking out the information on the camera!! :rofl

Or maybe that was the shower stall..

ziggy53
Sep-23-2008, 08:31 AM
I am watching the making of it again, and kept help but laugh like crazy when Vincent was on the toilet checking out the information on the camera!! :rofl

Or maybe that was the shower stall..

Multitasking at its finest. :clap

BPerron
Sep-23-2008, 09:34 AM
It is so funny, how every where you looked about 4 months ago when rumors of video on cameras were being talked about, everyone hated the idea... "big P & S cameras" everyone said and how dumb it would be...now with the release of the new 5D...everyone is in love with the idea!?

Just funny how it all works out....

NomadRip
Sep-23-2008, 09:52 AM
That looks amazing. And the SmugMug bunch is amazing, too. :clap:clap

Moogle Pepper
Sep-23-2008, 09:55 AM
It is so funny, how every where you looked about 4 months ago when rumors of video on cameras were being talked about, everyone hated the idea... "big P & S cameras" everyone said and how dumb it would be...now with the release of the new 5D...everyone is in love with the idea!?

Just funny how it all works out....

Well it was also the matter of the quality of the videos coming from them. :dunno

BPerron
Sep-23-2008, 09:58 AM
Well it was also the matter of the quality of the videos coming from them. :dunno

Yeah to a point...but the overall thought was it was going to be a horrible idea (even if you would have said full 1080P HD) and now, it seems as if it is the greatest idea ever.

I think it is very cool...almost makes me regret my Dual D700 purchase...

Moogle Pepper
Sep-23-2008, 10:06 AM
Thinking about switching to the light side of the force? :rofl

BPerron
Sep-23-2008, 10:09 AM
Thinking about switching to the light side of the force? :roflNo not quite yet...The shooting I do...the D700 is better for me...plus Nikon will have a similar answer in the next couple of years anyways...but it does make wonder :-)

Mr. 2H2O
Sep-23-2008, 10:12 AM
I was telling my kids last night that sometime in the next 5 years we may get to the point where still photography is no longer the standard that we will go by motion and still capture with a quality that everyone is satisfied with. For those that print in the consumer area, up to 8x10 is sufficient and just a small bump of resolution and FPS could make this kind of scenario ideal for the advanced consumer to make photographs of anything they can see in any arena of light.

I am often approached by parents with new cameras asking how to set up the DSLR they just bought to take better pics. Possibly, they won't have to concern themselves very much in the near future.

- Mike

BPerron
Sep-23-2008, 10:19 AM
I was telling my kids last night that sometime in the next 5 years we may get to the point where still photography is no longer the standard that we will go by motion and still capture with a quality that everyone is satisfied with. For those that print in the consumer area, up to 8x10 is sufficient and just a small bump of resolution and FPS could make this kind of scenario ideal for the advanced consumer to make photographs of anything they can see in any arena of light.

I am often approached by parents with new cameras asking how to set up the DSLR they just bought to take better pics. Possibly, they won't have to concern themselves very much in the near future.

- Mike

I do not think this will be the case...I still think there will be a big place for still photography. To me there is something much more dynamic about still photography, then a frame pulled out of video...

As for parents not having to worry about setting up their DSLR 'cause they will have HD Video in them I do not see happening...They would then need to learn how to use video editing software and pull frames from it...which is way more work then just downloading photos from the card...

What I do think is that the Video camera industry will see the biggest the change in all of this...with Canon offering this sort of video quality from a DSLR at less then 3k, videocameras will have this soon enough and home movies will never be the same :-):barb

Cason
Sep-23-2008, 11:30 AM
It's password protected. :dunno

Andy
Sep-23-2008, 11:39 AM
It's password protected. :dunno
http://blogs.smugmug.com/don

You can see the Behind The Scenes footage http://vincentlaforet.smugmug.com/gallery/6021407_xEg87/1/#378608891_Jd2CT-A-LB

NomadRip
Sep-23-2008, 11:54 AM
http://blogs.smugmug.com/don

You can see the Behind The Scenes footage http://vincentlaforet.smugmug.com/gallery/6021407_xEg87/1/#378608891_Jd2CT-A-LB

Glad I got to see the good version (5-6 times) before Canon pulled it :cry

evoryware
Sep-23-2008, 12:29 PM
Yeah that was a horrible decision. It plays pretty crappy off the Canon site for me. Was mindblowing off the Smugmug site. Surely Vincent can get Canon to come back to their senses... They are using it with his permission after all...

http://gizmodo.com/5050819/canon-5d-mark-iis-full-hd-video-is-so-stunning-our-eyes-explode

darkdragon
Sep-23-2008, 12:47 PM
Even though it is not in full HD on the Canon site, i'm glad they posted something after forcing SmugMug to take it down. Even in a web version it is impressive.

I was just commenting on Saturday how within a year I'm going to have to replace all my SD video cameras with HD cams (around $5k each to get comperable fixed-lens hd cams to what I have now). With the 5DII I might be able to get a killer HD video camera and still camera all in one that smokes anything available in the price range because I can still use all the lenses I already have. That is just so amazing. Not only that but a full-frame sensor where most HD "camcorders" are either 1/6" or 1/3" (2/3" for the high-end stuff).:barb

Awais Yaqub
Sep-23-2008, 12:51 PM
I am just imagining what will happen when Lordv will start making videos of those incredibly magnified aliens:huh.

Andy
Sep-23-2008, 12:53 PM
Yeah that was a horrible decision. It plays pretty crappy off the Canon site for me. Was mindblowing off the Smugmug site. Surely Vincent can get Canon to come back to their senses... They are using it with his permission after all...

http://gizmodo.com/5050819/canon-5d-mark-iis-full-hd-video-is-so-stunning-our-eyes-explode
We're floored. This video shows Canon's tech in AMAZINGLY good light. Why not put it out there in SmugMungous sizes? :scratch

Go figure.

aktse
Sep-23-2008, 01:00 PM
We're floored. This video shows Canon's tech in AMAZINGLY good light. Why not put it out there in SmugMungous sizes? :scratch

Go figure.

In addition, I've sent many people to the canon site (sucks), but for some, it crashes.

You need to update your quicktime to view it or it brings downs your entire browser.

Moogle Pepper
Sep-23-2008, 01:02 PM
Ahh we the lucky few who saw it HUGE!!

sbressler
Sep-23-2008, 01:27 PM
Ahh we the lucky few who saw it HUGE!!
Hmm, I saved the source m4v file before it went offline. Woohoo!

cmason
Sep-23-2008, 01:29 PM
For what it is worth, this story is the top Sci/Tech story on Yahoo! Buzz....a few more Buzzes and we can make the front page. (39 Diggs so far)

Maybe we do a story on Canon pulling plug :cry

DoctorIt
Sep-23-2008, 02:08 PM
When is Vince joining Dgrin? :ear

DavidTO
Sep-23-2008, 02:13 PM
When is Vince joining Dgrin? :ear


That's right, baby. I've got the jacuzzi all warmed up for him! :deal

Pindy
Sep-23-2008, 02:16 PM
When is Vince joining Dgrin? :ear

Agreed—a workshop perhaps?

thebigsky
Sep-23-2008, 02:19 PM
We're floored. This video shows Canon's tech in AMAZINGLY good light. Why not put it out there in SmugMungous sizes? :scratch

Go figure.

Silly sods, how short sighted can you be?

Fortunately I saved the hi-def version and transferred it to my Apple TV, watching on a Hi Def plasma it's just extraordinary.

Charlie

tomauto
Sep-23-2008, 02:24 PM
I went to one of Vincent's Canon Sponsored events when the 1d Mark III came out in Dallas and I just watched him in sheer in the way he manipulated the images he took from the past. He also showed us his showcase work at the time and it was simply amazing. I can only hope he comes to Dgrin :bow


Reading through this thread was like riding a roller coaster! Just right now Canon didn't tell us that it was a water ride and we didn't get our floaties. Now we are just gasping for air...

Andy
Sep-23-2008, 02:34 PM
I can only hope he comes to Dgrin :bow


Hmmm.

Moogle Pepper
Sep-23-2008, 02:38 PM
And then watch him get buried with tons of more questions and such! :D

tomauto
Sep-23-2008, 02:47 PM
And then watch him get buried with tons of more questions and such! :D

I am thinking more of actually meeting in person with members of Dgrin in a regional format tutorial settting much like what he does with Canon "Explorers of Light"...I have been to two of those conferences and I feel that I came out of those style meetings much better than when I came in.If he wants to answer questions on his own site, he already has the capability and following to do that.

I don't know if he has the time to answer questions on here or not (I am doubtful) but I think a man of his caliber would be more useful to the forum if we just sit him down person to person and pick his brain. (and videotape him) Then at his consent start making video tutorials for anybody here who may be visually inclined.:wink

tomauto
Sep-23-2008, 02:57 PM
We're floored. This video shows Canon's tech in AMAZINGLY good light. Why not put it out there in SmugMungous sizes? :scratch

Go figure.


My hunch is that Canon pulled this because the other camera in the video for fill the Canon XH A1 camcorder looked like a consumer point and shoot camcorder/youtube video in comparision to the footage the 5D Mark II pulled in the same situation. Sure, the 5D mk II looks great, but what does that say about their Professional Line of HD Camcorders? After watching the video maybe Canon is second guessing themselves for financial purposes.

cmason
Sep-23-2008, 03:05 PM
My hunch is that Canon pulled this because the other camera in the video for fill the Canon XH A1 camcorder looked like a consumer point and shoot camcorder/youtube video in comparision to the footage the 5D Mark II pulled in the same situation. Sure, the 5D mk II looks great, but what does that say about their Professional Line of HD Camcorders? After watching the video maybe Canon is second guessing themselves for financial purposes.


Hmmm, if that was the case, then why produce the camera at all? While I think it interesting what Vince did, I suspect there were tons of compromises made due to the form factor. Heck you often see them leaning over to look thru the view finder, something no video camera would force you to do. One would expect that the Canon Video cameras would inherit this same technology if good enough.

Frankly, this is all entertaining, but I have no interest in video at all: its way too time consuming to shoot, and requires ungodly time to edit: I have 30+ minidv tapes with video from 12 yrs of kids that are sitting unedited. I prefer still photos. I can see the 5D being a heck of a tool for wedding photogs, where they can offer both video and stills, but otherwise, I am not convinced of the utility. Its cool, dont get me wrong...but video is not why I would buy this camera.

darkdragon
Sep-23-2008, 03:07 PM
My hunch is that Canon pulled this because the other camera in the video for fill the Canon XH A1 camcorder looked like a consumer point and shoot camcorder/youtube video in comparision to the footage the 5D Mark II pulled in the same situation. Sure, the 5D mk II looks great, but what does that say about their Professional Line of HD Camcorders? After watching the video maybe Canon is second guessing themselves for financial purposes.


If that was the reason then I think they would have forced him to pull the "behind the scenes" videos. Unless that happened and I didn't notice then the reasoning doesn't make sense.

Besides, they are due for an upgrade the the XH A1 and XL H1 very soon :wink

I figure they probably just wanted exclusive rights to feature it on the site. I kinda doubt their servers are geared to handle high-volume video serving though (they should have just left it on SmugMug for sure). i could be wrong of course - it happens.

sbressler
Sep-23-2008, 04:20 PM
If that was the reason then I think they would have forced him to pull the "behind the scenes" videos. Unless that happened and I didn't notice then the reasoning doesn't make sense.

Besides, they are due for an upgrade the the XH A1 and XL H1 very soon :wink

I figure they probably just wanted exclusive rights to feature it on the site. I kinda doubt their servers are geared to handle high-volume video serving though (they should have just left it on SmugMug for sure). i could be wrong of course - it happens.
As Vincent said, Canon is serving it up from Akamai servers (they host the Apple HD trailers), which have the capacity to host the video without a hiccup.

darkdragon
Sep-23-2008, 04:42 PM
As Vincent said, Canon is serving it up from Akamai servers (they host the Apple HD trailers), which have the capacity to host the video without a hiccup.

Ah ok. I knew I missed something :D

SimonMW
Sep-24-2008, 01:47 AM
Sure, the 5D mk II looks great, but what does that say about their Professional Line of HD Camcorders?

The ergonomics of the 5D mean that it will be extremely compromised in most video shooting conditions. The lack of an angled viewfinder for one thing seriously limits it. Notice also how there are no follow focus shots. You would not be able to focus properly on the fly with this camera at the different angles required during most video production. Nor would you be able to pull or push the iris due to the set f-stop points on stills camera lenses.

HOWEVER, the fact that Canon have managed to put such a sensor and recording ability into the 5D does beg the question of why video manufacturers cannot put this quality into their video cameras. I'd like to get a PDW-700 as the upgrade for my current video camera. But I am wondering what the point would be if the quality from it would be less than that of a DSLR! Ie, what exactly am I paying for with the 700 apart from the ergonomics and standard video features (such as audio connectivity etc)?

If the price of a camera like the 700 is because of the internal electronics processing, then it appears from the 5D that the CCD or CMOS block is not really one of the factors that affects overall price that much.

jogle
Sep-24-2008, 02:12 AM
Have you thought about it from the other side Simon?

Canon's video dept and makers of other video cameras are going to have a very tough time in the near future. Expect them to have some tough questions to answer at NAB (the video version of PMA)

Their customers are going to be demanding at least the picture quality thats coming out the 5D MkII without skimping on any of the features you mentioned. It would be interesting to see the sales numbers of prosumer DSLRs vs prosumer video cameras for how large each market is.

I could see Canon putting the 5d (or even 50D) sensor into a video body like the Canon XL2, they would have to totally redesign the lenses they have for that range. Is it totally far fetched for them to call it EF-v, make it compatible with still lenses and include some extra electrical connections for follow focus etc on their video lenses?

Total pie in the sky stuff but don't expect video customers to let us camera geeks have all the fun.

Manfr3d
Sep-24-2008, 04:05 AM
The 5D II has a Video out connector that lets you transfer the video signal
live to any screen that you like. If that's took bulky there is also the ZigView
device that can do exactly this.

pyry
Sep-24-2008, 08:30 AM
The 5D II has a Video out connector that lets you transfer the video signal
live to any screen that you like. If that's took bulky there is also the ZigView
device that can do exactly this.

A zigview wouldn't help here, because it's designed to sit on the optical viewfinder - and the mirror is up for video of course.

You'd need to hook up an external display and maybe attach it to the flash shoe or something.

BPerron
Sep-24-2008, 08:34 AM
A zigview wouldn't help here, because it's designed to sit on the optical viewfinder - and the mirror is up for video of course.

You'd need to hook up an external display and maybe attach it to the flash shoe or something.

I am sure this will be created soon...or maybe smugmug as a community can create it and sell it, now we are on to something. :barb:barb:barb:barb

I do agree that this is really needed to make this video feature of the camera really usable.

tomauto
Sep-24-2008, 03:11 PM
Hurry and download it!! You have to have quicktime installed.

Right now just Canon wants to host it.

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/22/without-further-ado-reverie/

I’m proud to finally share this short film with everyone - no time for words - let’s let the moving images do the talking… Here is the raw footage (downsized to 1/4 resolution) from the prototype EOS 5D MKII that Canon allowed me to borrow over a 72 hour period. Many thanks to David Sparer and everyone at Canon….

Manfr3d
Sep-24-2008, 05:11 PM
I have a question for you:

Mr. Laforet says that he shoot the whole video with only one battery
- the one that came with the Camera.

The preview on dpreview says that the new battery is exactly the same
size as the old BP-511 battery from the 5D (50D,40D,...).

Link (on the very bottom): http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos5dmarkII/page3.asp

Has anyone heard if the old type fits in the new 5D or if it doesn't?

jogle
Sep-24-2008, 05:13 PM
No it doesn't. the pins are in a different place.

compare this pic of the new battery:
http://a.img-dpreview.com/previews/CanonEOS5DMarkII/Images/features/newbattery.jpg

to the old BP-511:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41etNdGhvML._SL500_AA280_.jpg

Manfr3d
Sep-24-2008, 06:24 PM
Thanks!

patch29
Sep-24-2008, 07:29 PM
No it doesn't. the pins are in a different place.


The length looks the same, but on the flip side the old battery has a groove in it and the new battery is smooth, so it should not even be able to slide into the camera. I wish the 50D used the new battery.

Andy
Sep-24-2008, 08:18 PM
A few things.

1) I got to spend the day with Vincent - great guy!

2) I got to see the out-of-camera videos from the 5D Mark II, they are ever bit as good as he says so, here
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/24/we-will-be-releasing-raw-video-clips-from-reverie-this-friday/

3) We started work on the indie film project, and we'll have more to come on that we hope this Friday!

4) He and I are collaborting on a cool NYC Shoot. Hopefully next week. It involves Helicopters and gyro stabilizers and multiple 1Ds IIIs an' stuff. W00000000000p :D

5) Did I mention he's an awesome guy?

http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/379854354_pw2Zv-L.jpg

aktse
Sep-24-2008, 08:32 PM
A few things.

1) I got to spend the day with Vincent - great guy!

2) I got to see the out-of-camera videos from the 5D Mark II, they are ever bit as good as he says so, here
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/24/we-will-be-releasing-raw-video-clips-from-reverie-this-friday/

3) We started work on the indy film project, and we'll have more to come on that we hope this Friday!

4) He and I are collaborting on a cool NYC Shoot. Hopefully next week. It involves Helicopters and gyro stabilizers and multiple 1Ds IIIs an' stuff. W00000000000p :D

5) Did I mention he's an awesome guy?



Sounds like a wonderful day! And I can't wait for the a recap of the NYC shoot. :D

GSPeP
Sep-24-2008, 11:03 PM
Nice equipment on his desk.

JohnC
Sep-25-2008, 12:44 AM
That video looked NICE! :thumb :bow

cmason
Sep-25-2008, 04:36 AM
Heehee, love the artwork on his walls....he sounds like real people

Moogle Pepper
Sep-25-2008, 05:08 AM
Andy,

can I be your sidekick?? I'll work for free coffee!

NomadRip
Sep-25-2008, 06:09 AM
Awesome, Andy! Thanks for keeping us posted! :barb

Awais Yaqub
Sep-25-2008, 12:17 PM
That is superb ! :wink

Ted Side kick position is already filled lol :D

NomadRip
Sep-26-2008, 02:43 PM
Vincent's film turned out much better than the guy at Gizmodo testing the D90 (http://gizmodo.com/5055525/nikon-d90-video-tests-the-good-the-bad-and-the-shaky) video :rofl

BPerron
Sep-26-2008, 03:12 PM
Vincent's film turned out much better than the guy at Gizmodo testing the D90 (http://gizmodo.com/5055525/nikon-d90-video-tests-the-good-the-bad-and-the-shaky) video :rofl

The link is not working for me... But the D90 is only 720p, you can not compare the two and did the maker of the D90 video have a 5K budget?

jogle
Sep-26-2008, 03:23 PM
No $5k budget or helecopter.

But he did have a rubber ducky and a cute cat. beat that vincent! :rolleyes

BPerron
Sep-26-2008, 06:04 PM
Vincent's film turned out much better than the guy at Gizmodo testing the D90 (http://gizmodo.com/5055525/nikon-d90-video-tests-the-good-the-bad-and-the-shaky) video :rofl

I did not realize it was a joke...my bad...see what happens when I can not see a link...

Andy
Sep-26-2008, 08:31 PM
5D Mark II Video Clips now available

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/26/original-raw-clips-from-reverie-now-available-for-download/

Go get 'em!

LiquidAir
Sep-26-2008, 09:22 PM
5D Mark II Video Clips now available

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/26/original-raw-clips-from-reverie-now-available-for-download/

Go get 'em!

Zoiks! I am going to need a faster computer. My machine is only playing about half the frames. Maybe the right answer is a new video card with H.264 support.

jogle
Sep-26-2008, 10:42 PM
My fairly recent Macbook pro (2.2ghz core 2 duo, ATI Radeon X1600, 3gb ram) is very jumpy and stuttery, only playing the clips at 22 - 24 fps (quicktime will tell you in the movie inspector).

Anyone know of any tricks to speed it up? I'd hate to go back to the days of doing offline edits with lowres proxys.:huh :huh

ivar
Sep-27-2008, 12:43 AM
5D Mark II Video Clips now available

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/26/original-raw-clips-from-reverie-now-available-for-download/

Go get 'em!
Woah, nice :barb

Andy
Sep-27-2008, 05:00 AM
My fairly recent Macbook pro (2.2ghz core 2 duo, ATI Radeon X1600, 3gb ram) is very jumpy and stuttery, only playing the clips at 22 - 24 fps (quicktime will tell you in the movie inspector).

Anyone know of any tricks to speed it up? I'd hate to go back to the days of doing offline edits with lowres proxys.:huh :huh
Post in the Vid forum, or in the Dig Darkroom forum, we have loads of geeks here!

Andy
Sep-27-2008, 05:01 AM
Zoiks! I am going to need a faster computer. My machine is only playing about half the frames. Maybe the right answer is a new video card with H.264 support.

See what Vincent had to say:


you will not be alone - they play without a hiccup on my MacPro and MacBook Pro… my MacBook Air (besides displaying only 1/4 of the image) can’t even try to play this clip… these are HEFTY clips… 1080p at 30 fps is a lot to ask…. pushing 1920 x 1080 pixels 30 times a second requires a powerful machine.

Cameron
Sep-27-2008, 07:36 AM
Mine plays smoothly as long as I am in full-screen mode - in windowed mode it is a bit choppy. Something to try...

Shima
Sep-27-2008, 09:01 AM
Mine plays smoothly as long as I am in full-screen mode - in windowed mode it is a bit choppy. Something to try...

Mine plays better in full screen mode, but still choppy, ah well.

cmason
Sep-27-2008, 09:08 AM
mine is rather smooth, but I am getting frame drops. It is playing at 24fps on the iMac, but encoded for 30fps.

ivar
Sep-27-2008, 09:12 AM
mine is rather smooth, but I am getting frame drops. It is playing at 24fps on the iMac, but encoded for 30fps.
Wonder what's causing that. Mine is playing @ 30 :scratch

Andy
Sep-27-2008, 01:50 PM
Just did 15mins on Leo Laport's TWiT Live show, with Vincent :clap!

will be posted here when Leo has it in the can:
http://www.twit.tv/ttg

NomadRip
Sep-27-2008, 01:51 PM
Just did 15mins on Leo Laport's TWiT Live show, with Vincent :clap!

will be posted here when Leo has it in the can:
http://www.twit.tv/ttg

I just caught the end of it off Vincent's blog link (which is gone now). Great job! :barb

DavidTO
Sep-27-2008, 02:36 PM
Just did 15mins on Leo Laport's TWiT Live show, with Vincent :clap!

will be posted here when Leo has it in the can:
http://www.twit.tv/ttg


Fantastic! :thumb

LiquidAir
Sep-27-2008, 03:09 PM
My fairly recent Macbook pro (2.2ghz core 2 duo, ATI Radeon X1600, 3gb ram) is very jumpy and stuttery, only playing the clips at 22 - 24 fps (quicktime will tell you in the movie inspector).

Anyone know of any tricks to speed it up? I'd hate to go back to the days of doing offline edits with lowres proxys.:huh :huh

Curiously my 3.2 GHz Dell XPS desktop does not come close to real time but my 2.4 GHz Macbook Pro plays it fine. I think the difference is that the MacBook has a more recent video card which likely supports H.264 decoding. I'll bet that if I upgrade the video card in my desktop machine and use a decoder which takes advantage of it, I'll have no trouble playing it back.

jdryan3
Sep-27-2008, 03:18 PM
Both the actual film and the behind the scenes piece played much better as long as I wasn't much more than 1/2 thru the download.

I kept having to back up on the 'Behind' piece due to stutter or freezing. On my 3 year old Optiplex with 2GB RAM, either bottom of rung or integrated Intel v-card, so nothing special.

So when I did the actual film I downloaded the whole thing and then played it. No problem.

jogle
Sep-27-2008, 05:48 PM
After a bit of reading, you want to look for a video card that supports either:

PureVideo2 for nvidia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PureVideo

AVIVO HD for ATI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVIVO

Thats for windows, I know that purevideo2 isn't supported in the linux drivers yet and I'm not sure about mac.

Andy
Sep-27-2008, 08:37 PM
Stills are up:

http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2128

ziggy53
Sep-28-2008, 03:08 AM
Stills are up:

http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2128

Thanks Andy. :thumb

That ISO 3200 with the 400mm, f2.8L @ f3.2 is to die for. :clap

Shima
Sep-28-2008, 02:14 PM
Thanks Andy. :thumb

That ISO 3200 with the 400mm, f2.8L @ f3.2 is to die for. :clap

What are you talking about? They're ALL to die for. :lust

Manfr3d
Sep-28-2008, 10:48 PM
Oh my good, this keeps looking better and better by the minute ... :thumb

Pindy
Sep-28-2008, 11:44 PM
This is helping the self-flagellation needed to muster the savings of $3000 by the end of November, in the midst of starting a 401K, 2x 529s and everything else. I hope the auto ISO at least makes up for some of it. :D

Ric Grupe
Sep-29-2008, 10:13 AM
WOW! (http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2127)

Michiel de Brieder
Sep-29-2008, 12:29 PM
I hate the 5D Mark II :cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry

Now I'm going to have to save up for it big time, because this is *the* camera I want, I've been lusting for a full frame for a long while and this one, with the added 10MP sRAW and all the other ridiculously excellent features is just the thing the doctor ordered :D

Mr. 2H2O
Sep-29-2008, 04:11 PM
Oh golly, thats just silly:

"La, deee, daaa, while I'm shooting a totally cool video, I think I'll just snap a gorgeous picture...oh, okay, back to cool video..."

Isn't anybody as awestruck as I am that one of our highly admired photographers can just pop out some totally cool video shots with a mere smidgen of prep and his normal focused hard work ethic...

Vincent really does have a keen eye and wonderfully creative spirit. Kudos to him and we get to sit back with popcorn and watch. AAAAAAnd he is so nice to blog about it so we can share the experience with him.

- Mike

jogle
Sep-29-2008, 05:39 PM
There are many feature film directors that started out as photographers, a good eye isn't stuck in one medium. My favourite example is Stanley Kubrick who used to shoot for Look Magazine

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/KubrickForLook.jpg

Andy
Sep-29-2008, 07:56 PM
Spent another day with Vincent. We shot up NYC tonight, ya'll are not gonna believe the shots we got :lust

I'm slobbering over my Mac Pro fight now. Stay tuned.

Andy
Sep-29-2008, 08:43 PM
More to come, this is an indication of the type of light we had :) Unprocessed jpg:

http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/383454594_xkqGJ-L.jpg

Mr. 2H2O
Sep-29-2008, 09:03 PM
More to come, this is an indication of the type of light we had :) Unprocessed jpg:



HOLY GUACAMOLE!

- Mike

aktse
Sep-29-2008, 10:11 PM
HOLY MOLY!

:jawdrop

DavidTO
Sep-29-2008, 10:30 PM
HOLY MOLY!

:jawdrop


Can I get a Holy Frijole? :D

BradfordBenn
Sep-30-2008, 12:07 AM
Dang!!!!

Truth be told, I am more amazed by the processing and storage power than the actual sensor itself. The sensor is amazing but the rest of the signal path also have me dropping my jaw

:jawdrop

Schnauzer
Sep-30-2008, 07:11 AM
I know that he said he had to give back his 5DMII. Did you guys get your hands on another or were these taken with something else. 50D maybe?

More to come, this is an indication of the type of light we had :) Unprocessed jpg:

http://williams.smugmug.com/photos/383454594_xkqGJ-L.jpg

Cason
Sep-30-2008, 10:10 AM
Thanks Andy. :thumb

That ISO 3200 with the 400mm, f2.8L @ f3.2 is to die for. :clap

Man...you can see the hairs (peach fuzz) on her face.

Michiel de Brieder
Sep-30-2008, 10:40 AM
Awesome shot Andy!! Any chance of a 5d Mk II gallery in your Smugmug home??? :wink:wink:wink

Andy
Sep-30-2008, 12:53 PM
http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?p=934133#post934133

darryl
Oct-03-2008, 01:04 PM
So Don wrote (http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/09/24/just-so-were-clear-i-love-canon/) on his blog:

* We posted full HD versions of both Reverie and the behind-the-scenes footage for the world to see, crossing our fingers that our bandwidth bill wouldn’t be more than we could bear.
* Our customers went bananas. Awesome! They’re thrilled we’re interested in this stuff, because they’re interested in this stuff. Ok, great, so maybe this bandwidth bill will pay of in goodwill. :)
* The press went bananas - both mainstream and online. Awesome! They’re gaga over the user response and the remarkable camera.
* We got busy (and I personally got busy) telling everyone, press and non alike, who called, emailed, tweeted, blogged, etc that the Canon 5D MkII is a game-changing camera the likes of which we haven’t seen before.
* Canon asked Vincent to ask us to take Reverie down.

SAY WHAT?!

Canon asked Vincent to ask us to take Reverie down.


And:

But look at it from my point of view. I was risking an awful lot of money on bandwidth (I doubt it would have topped 6 figures, but easily could have been in the 5s) because I’m a camera geek and I love this stuff.


And hahaha, check out Canon's official page (http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2086) for hosting the low-res version of Vincent's video today (10/03/2008):

DUE TO HIGH DEMAND OF VIDEO CLIPS WE HAVE EXCEEDED OUR DOWNLOAD CAPACITY.

WE ARE NOW INVESTIGATING ALTERNATIVE HOSTING METHODS.


Doh! Canon, I have a suggestion... nah, nevermind. :-}

NomadRip
Oct-03-2008, 01:19 PM
Vincent's blog (http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/10/02/reverie-has-been-viewed-1500000-times-in-10-days/) says it got 1,500,000 downloads in 10 days, and they couldn't hack it. :deal

I may have left a comment last night.

NomadRip
Oct-13-2008, 08:21 PM
I see it's back up on SmugMug in hi-def (http://vincentlaforet.smugmug.com/gallery/6042742_wZKiA//377930419_dgxvY) now. :barb