5D mkii info on the Canon USA site!

[ShebaJo]

info for the new Canon 5d Mark ii (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=17662)

"body only estimated retail price of $2,6993. It will additionally be offered in a kit version with Canon's EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM zoom lens at an estimated retail price of $3,4994."

The following is copied from Canon's "features (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=17662#ModelFeaturesAct)" page, they are not links, just highlight the subject line.

http://www.usa.canon.com/sys/images/red_arrow.gif
21.1 Megapixel Full-frame CMOS sensor, 14-bit A/D conversion (16,384 colors/each of 3 primary color), wide range ISO setting of 100-6400 (expandable L: 50, H1: 12800 and H2: 25600).
http://www.usa.canon.com/sys/images/red_arrow.gif
Full HD Video capture at 1920 x 1080 resolution for up to 4GB per clip with HDMI output for HD viewing of stills and video.
http://www.usa.canon.com/sys/images/red_arrow.gif
Next generation DIGIC 4 Image Processor for faster processing of fine detail and color reproduction as well as reduced image noise.
http://www.usa.canon.com/sys/images/red_arrow.gif
High performance with 3.9 fps continuous shooting, new shutter with a durability of 150,000 cycles and improved weather-resistant body.
http://www.usa.canon.com/sys/images/red_arrow.gif
Live View Function for stills (Quick, Live and Face Detection AF modes) and video.
http://www.usa.canon.com/sys/images/red_arrow.gif
3.0-inch Clear View LCD (920,000 dots/VGA) monitor with anti-reflective and scratch-resistant coatings for improved viewing and smudge protection.
http://www.usa.canon.com/sys/images/red_arrow.gif
Updated EOS Integrated Cleaning System specifically designed to work with a full-frame sensor.
http://www.usa.canon.com/sys/images/red_arrow.gif
Compatible with over 60 Canon EF lenses and most EOS System accessories.
(NOTE... at the time I copied from Canon 5D Mark II site, it shows EF/EF-S lenses, but I am correcting, hope they don't sue me.):D

[AaronNelson]

:barb

[ShebaJo]

:barb


i agree... :barb:clap:barb

[David_S85]

Your last link (which are all broken, BTW) suggests the 5DII accepts EF-S lenses. That information is not correct.

[Awais Yaqub]

Thanks God it is out.

[ShebaJo]

Your last link (which are all broken, BTW) suggests the 5DII accepts EF-S lenses. That information is not correct.

not my links, just copied from the Canon site, features page (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=17662#ModelFeaturesAct). I will go back and fix. sorry... i was so thrilled to see the info, i just copied for quick info to all here. i just checked the canon site, they don't link to anything, they just highlight the line, no links, so i am removing code, leaving info, edited the EF-S out, even though it is still on the Canon site.

[DavidTO]

It shoots HD video. Quick, someone tell Marc! :D

My next camera, this is! :davidto

[Tee Why]

I guess it'll be a boon for Canon shooters looking to print very large like studio and fine art and those looking for a 1DsMIII back up.

I would think the sensor is the same 21mp from the 1DsMIII, so I would assume that the IQ should be very similar. Now who is going to buy a 1DsMIII for $7999 when you can get the 5DMII for $2699?

Hmmm. I personally would have preferred a 12-16MP with a much better build and a better AF system like that of the 1DMII N. But hey, that's the Nikon d700, isn't it?

[cabinetbuff]

ISO The camera has an ISO range of 100-6400,
in 1/3 step or full step increments, plus ISO
50 (L), 12,800 (H1) and 25,600 (H2). The Auto
ISO range is 100-3200. It's not possible to
manually select a maximum ISO within the Auto
ISO range, or a minimum shutter speed.
:scratch

REFERENCE:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-9316-9603

[David_S85]

http://dgrin.davidwattsphotography.com/5D2.gif

[DJeano]

awesome, I have been waiting for this announcement :barb

[ShebaJo]

http://dgrin.davidwattsphotography.com/5D2.gif

cool word cloud :thumb

no $$$ signs? :rofl i am seeing dollar signs, lots of them :rofl

[ivar]

http://img.skitch.com/20080917-x3y5jtyxn4di1sdr949s1p4wsf.jpg

:scratch

[David_S85]

:scratch

Also says it has a built-in flash. Which it doesn't.

[thebigsky]

Oooh, I like very much.

Charlie

[Moogle Pepper]

:huh:clap

ME WANTS!

[patch29]

small sample videos here (http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/eos5dm2/02.html), two sample photos on that site as well, but only ISO 100.

[patch29]

New battery, I wonder if it can work in a 50D?

edit, Canon answered my own question, here (http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2046).

Note the similarity in general size and shape between the older BP-511A, and new LP-E6 battery. However, they are NOT interchangeable

Why did they not put this new battery in the 50D?

[patch29]

Here (http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/5dmark2/index.html) is another site with more sample photos. :thumb

[Shima]

Also says it has a built-in flash. Which it doesn't.

ditto, http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=17662#ModelFeaturesAct that also mentions ef-s lenses which as we already stated is not true

I never realized the 5d family didn't have built in flashes, learn something new every day :) (not that I use my built in flash on my 40d anyway)

[Shima]

New battery, I wonder if it can work in a 50D?

edit, Canon answered my own question, here (http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2046).



Why did they not put this new battery in the 50D?

Probably not necessary, I think one of the biggest draws for the better battery would be to support HD video

[patch29]

Probably not necessary, I think one of the biggest draws for the better battery would be to support HD video

I liked only needing one type of charger and battery for my 40D/5D combo, that would have been nice to carry over to the new models. :dunno

[patch29]

Canon EOS 5D Mark II Preview (http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos5dmarkII/)
September 2008, Phil Askey and Richard Butler

[Moogle Pepper]

I feel like I am going to be broke for a while! :D I think I am in love! haha!

[Awais Yaqub]

2600$
Do you think in 2 or 3 years full frame will be available for around 1500$ ? In this case what will be the future of XXD series ?

[Moogle Pepper]

An interesting statement made on dpreview..

21.1 megapixel full frame CMOS sensor
The EOS 5D Mark II delivers an 8.3 megapixel jump in pixel count from the original 5D. This new sensor is said to be based on that of the EOS-1Ds Mark III (indeed it has exactly the same pixel count) but has several small changes, the hint being that it's actually slightly better.

Slightly better than the mk III? whoa!

[swintonphoto]

Have you seen how big those RAW files are going to be? Holy cow... :huh
The 1Ds Mark III controls noise worse than the old 5D did. I think we are all a bit too excited about MP at the expense of so much else...
If you want to upgrade to this you will likely need to upgrade just about everything else to handle the files:
-Huge CF cards (fast ones too)
-REALLY fast computer again to handle multiple huge files
-TONS of hard drive space - will need 1 gig for just 40 files (the average number of frames I shoot at a wedding is around 1100 - that would be 27 gigs - thats enough to keep me away)

I wish these manufacturers would stick to lower resolution and make these sensors perfect.:cry
I thought the crazy MP race was over.... And if most of us are honest with ourselves, we really don't need anything close to 21 MP. I used a 6mp camera for years, then and 8, and now a 10. I have never felt I didn't have the necessary resolution. Maybe for the .1% of us that make a living on 60 inch wall murals it makes sense - the rest of us have been conned into thinking we will never survive with our measly 10 MP. I actually think this has been a sad season in the world of digital photography. 15MP compact cameras, 21-24MP DSLRs. Who are we kidding?

[Moogle Pepper]

well regardless of the MP stuff. I am stoked for it!

[patch29]

I wish these manufacturers would stick to lower resolution and make these sensors perfect.:cry
I thought the crazy MP race was over...


I like seeing the new cameras roll out with high mpx, there are applications for them, but I wish they would continue to update some of the older sensors. How about a 40D, but with better high ISO noise, new LCD, menus, etc or the 8 mpx 1DmkII sensor, think how clean they could make high ISO shots with that sensor? I would like to see lower noise, spread out AF, more accurate Auto Color and Exposure/Flash metering.

If I get a 50D/5D mkII, I already see a lot of situations where I will start to use the SRAW, JPG only or a combo of smaller file features.

Where do they go for a 5D mkIII, 30+mpx?

[Moogle Pepper]

I still see a direct print button....:scratch
..well at least it has new uses for the live mode..

[RogersDA]

Better specs information here (http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/eos5dm2/specifications.html)

Main 5D MII site here (http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/eos5dm2/index.html).

[Manfr3d]

I wished it had an even larger buffer (if I was going to buy it). Memory is cheap!

[hgernhardtjr]

Canon missed one major feature I would like to see ... built-in GPS. Looks like Nikon is staying ahead of the game.

[ian408]

"Improved weather resistant body" Now that is something that's very cool.

[NeilL]

I'm trying hard to be more excited than I find I am about 5DMkII. I wanted to be bowled over because I wanted to begin to explore full frame with the best introduction on offer right now.

However, after the excitement I did have of finally seeing what Canon has come up with has lulled a little, I am thinking such a high pixel count is there only to be "higher-than-thou", because what really makes an IQ difference these days is how the image is captured, not the density (number count) of the pixels. I mean pixel size and architecture, and AF performance - number of points, type and sensitivity. There seems to be not a word about either of these in the initial flurry of information with the new 5D (though some of the info would be much the same as what came with the DIGIC4 sensor).

At less than 4 fps it is also a bit sluggish. Indeed, there is something a bit stodgy about the whole concept of this camera. This was the impression that the original 5D began to make as time went by, and it's a pity that the new model has inherited this, to my mind at least. The video capability leaves me completely cold.

Instead of tempting me to be unfaithful to my 40D, it has prompted a second honeymoon! I reckon any photographer better than me, and that is just about everyone, could pull from the 40D and good lenses stuff that the 5DMkII could only equal and not better!

What does challenge my monogamy is the Nikon D700 :wink

Neil

[Richard]

For me, the biggest question is what the noise performance in the real world will be. AFAIK, this hasn't been answered yet. I have seen a number of posts that assume that because so many pixels are crammed into the sensor, noise will be a problem. However, for a number of years Canon's main competitive advantage over Nikon was its low noise/high ISO performance. It would be surprising indeed if Canon were to sacrifice this advantage for the sake of megapixels. Well, I guess we'll know soon enough.

[swintonphoto]

I'm trying hard to be more excited than I find I am about 5DMkII. I wanted to be bowled over because I wanted to begin to explore full frame with the best introduction on offer right now.

However, after the excitement I did have of finally seeing what Canon has come up with has lulled a little, I am thinking such a high pixel count is there only to be "higher-than-thou", because what really makes an IQ difference these days is how the image is captured, not the density (number count) of the pixels. I mean pixel size and architecture, and AF performance - number of points, type and sensitivity. There seems to be not a word about either of these in the initial flurry of information with the new 5D (though some of the info would be much the same as what came with the DIGIC4 sensor).

At less than 4 fps it is also a bit sluggish. Indeed, there is something a bit stodgy about the whole concept of this camera. This was the impression that the original 5D began to make as time went by, and it's a pity that the new model has inherited this, to my mind at least. The video capability leaves me completely cold.

Instead of tempting me to be unfaithful to my 40D, it has prompted a second honeymoon! I reckon any photographer better than me, and that is just about everyone, could pull from the 40D and good lenses stuff that the 5DMkII could only equal and not better!

What does challenge my monogamy is the Nikon D700 :wink

Neil

Well put.

[AaronNelson]

Canon missed one major feature I would like to see ... built-in GPS. Looks like Nikon is staying ahead of the game.

GPS...i dont want people to know where that shot was....!! im not giving away miles in scouting in 110 degrees just to everyone...:D

[swintonphoto]

GPS...i dont want people to know where that shot was....!! im not giving away miles in scouting in 110 degrees just to everyone...:D
:rofl

[AaronNelson]

I'm trying hard to be more excited than I find I am about 5DMkII. I wanted to be bowled over because I wanted to begin to explore full frame with the best introduction on offer right now.

However, after the excitement I did have of finally seeing what Canon has come up with has lulled a little, I am thinking such a high pixel count is there only to be "higher-than-thou", because what really makes an IQ difference these days is how the image is captured, not the density (number count) of the pixels. I mean pixel size and architecture, and AF performance - number of points, type and sensitivity. There seems to be not a word about either of these in the initial flurry of information with the new 5D (though some of the info would be much the same as what came with the DIGIC4 sensor).

At less than 4 fps it is also a bit sluggish. Indeed, there is something a bit stodgy about the whole concept of this camera. This was the impression that the original 5D began to make as time went by, and it's a pity that the new model has inherited this, to my mind at least. The video capability leaves me completely cold.

Instead of tempting me to be unfaithful to my 40D, it has prompted a second honeymoon! I reckon any photographer better than me, and that is just about everyone, could pull from the 40D and good lenses stuff that the 5DMkII could only equal and not better!

What does challenge my monogamy is the Nikon D700 :wink

Neil

I guess i got all your excitement + plus mine.....:thumb

[evoryware]

This is really getting ridiculous. When are we going to see a real announcement?

[Moogle Pepper]

Isn't dpreview giving a hands on preview a real announcement?

[evoryware]

After a year of rumors I see people here calling out mistakes or untruths on the Canon's website. I don't know what to believe.

[AaronNelson]

This is really getting ridiculous. When are we going to see a real announcement?

this isnt real?
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=17662

[ziggy53]

For my work, which includes a fair amount of events, it would be awfully nice to be able to crop a portrait oriented 8" x 10" from a landscape oriented shot. There are too many times when there just isn't time to re-orient the camera and flash, the opportunity occurs and you have little time to react.

I think the Canon 5D MKII may be the first camera that is not horribly priced and with enough pixels to make that a fairly reliable possibility.

If my calculations are correct I would still have around 11 MPix to use for the 8" x 10".

That assumes that the autofocus is competent and that the microfocus adjustments work and that I have mounted an equally competent lens.

[AaronNelson]

mistakes...ahh, the data entry person needs to be informed of the mistakes...

[AaronNelson]

For my work, which includes a fair amount of events, it would be awfully nice to be able to crop a portrait oriented 8" x 10" from a landscape oriented shot. There are too many times when there just isn't time to re-orient the camera and flash, the opportunity occurs and you have little time to react.

I think the Canon 5D MKII may be the first camera that is not horribly priced and with enough pixels to make that a fairly reliable possibility.

If my calculations are correct I would still have around 11 MPix to use for the 8" x 10".

That assumes that the autofocus is competent and that the microfocus adjustments work and that I have mounted an equally competent lens.

:thumb yes agreed...

[Moogle Pepper]

I am definitely going to purchase one. Just after it has been field tested and prices go down. Probably by that time I will have enough! :rofl

[AaronNelson]

just to help me understand this prices going down thing...is it worth waiting?

what price did the 5d retail at on its release? its now $2300....whats the percentage per time period? anyone know?
20% in the first six month...what?

[ziggy53]

just to help me understand this prices going down thing...is it worth waiting?

what price did the 5d retail at on its release? its now $2300....whats the percentage per time period? anyone know?
20% in the first six month...what?

I think the Canon 5D originally announced a $3500USD* selling price and I believe there was a time when that is what they sold for. Within a few months I believe I saw $3100.

By the end** of 2007, B&H was selling them for $2800 and I think that was pretty typical.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070508220813/http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/397314-REG/Canon_0296B002_EOS_5D_Digital_Camera.html

*Correction: Apparently the Canon 5D originally sold for $3300USD. It was announced in Aug '05.
**Correction: That pricing is from the middle of 2007.

[AaronNelson]

thanks Z
for me, if it were to be available within the next couple of weeks its worth getting due to fall season...but if it isnt, i guess i will just benefit from waiting until spring....

[evoryware]

Don't get me wrong I like what I am seeing, but they need to fix the mistakes.
In any case I remember hearing photographers talk about how the 5D would just die in a light mist so I'm glad to see it is water resistant. I'd love to get my hands on one with the current posted specs at the Canon website and I don't even use EF-S lenses on my EF-S cameras anymore. Pop up flash works in a bind.
:scratch

[Awais Yaqub]

Shutter durability = 150,000 :clap

[LiquidAir]

just to help me understand this prices going down thing...is it worth waiting?

what price did the 5d retail at on its release? its now $2300....whats the percentage per time period? anyone know?
20% in the first six month...what?

My memory is that the 5D released at around $3300 (I don't have the exact number). Generally the price of a new camera drops $100-$200 somewhere between 6 months and a year after the body first ships (as opposed to announced). However you can't really complain about $2700 for a 21MP full frame sensor.

I am very sad that they didn't upgrade the AF system. That is one feature of the 5D I have never been very happy with. Other than that, the camera looks good, albeit I'll have to wait and see the IQ on the high ISO settings.

I am not going to be in the market for a new body for another 6 months to a year, but if I had to choose now it would be tough to decide between the 1D3 and the 5D2. Better AF and weather sealing vs. 21MP, full frame and video. Well, I have some time to make up my mind and maybe there will be other options then.

[dlplumer]

http://www.apertureprofessional.com/showthread.php?t=19586

3.9 fps? I think I'm waiting for the 50D

[kdog]

Shutter durability = 150,000 :clap

That would last you months! :rofl

[LiquidAir]

In any case I remember hearing photographers talk about how the 5D would just die in a light mist so I'm glad to see it is water resistant.


I have taken my 5D into some pretty damp environments and not had any trouble with the camera. However, keeping the lens dry enough to get a clear shot was a significant issue.

[swintonphoto]

I have taken my 5D into some pretty damp environments and not had any trouble with the camera. However, keeping the lens dry enough to get a clear shot was a significant issue.
That's why I have always thought weathersealing was a slightly over-rated feature. I have some great weather-sealed lenses, but any time they need to be put to the test in bad weather I have too much water hitting the front of the lens to make images very usable.

[ShebaJo]

Canon missed one major feature I would like to see ... built-in GPS. Looks like Nikon is staying ahead of the game.

I totally agree, I really wanted GPS.

[Moogle Pepper]

http://www.apertureprofessional.com/showthread.php?t=19586

3.9 fps? I think I'm waiting for the 50D

As memory serves, the 5D was more for portrait and studio work than a sports speed camera like the 1D cameras. Really what you want to do with it. I don't do sports photography or things that really need that high fps, though it is a great feature. The 50D is also a really tempting camera for me to upgrade to if I didn't want to pursue FF and entrenched with Canon gear. Well I could go for the original 5D...... >.>

[NeilL]

I guess i got all your excitement + plus mine.....:thumb


:rofl

is that where it went?!? :scratch

N

[NeilL]

For my work, which includes a fair amount of events, it would be awfully nice to be able to crop a portrait oriented 8" x 10" from a landscape oriented shot. There are too many times when there just isn't time to re-orient the camera and flash, the opportunity occurs and you have little time to react.

Yes, I like this point, Ziggy.

Anything which helps to bag the photo when conditions are against you is what gets me excited.

Neil

[Andy]

I am very sad that they didn't upgrade the AF system.
I believe they did, 9af pts + 6 invisible :)

[ziggy53]

I believe they did, 9af pts + 6 invisible :)

I suspect it is the autofocus system from the 50D. If it is similar to the AF system on the 40D it is probably sufficient and is improved over the original 5D (which was based on the 20D/30D autofocus, which wasn't horrible.)

[LiquidAir]

I believe they did, 9af pts + 6 invisible :)

That is what the 5D has.

My primary compaint about the 5D is that only the center point is accurate enough for fast lenses in low light. What that means is that when shooting with, say, the 35/1.4 I have to make a choice between paralax error from focus-and-recompose or an unreliable focus point. As far as I can tell, the 5D II will also have this same problem. However, with the 5D II I will at least have more latitude to use cropping as a substitute for framing in camera.

[ziggy53]

... As far as I can tell, the 5D II will also have this same problem. However, with the 5D II I will at least have more latitude to use cropping as a substitute for framing in camera.

The 5D MKII also has Live View which does help with critical focus for static shots. It will be interesting to see how well the Contrast Detect autofocus works in Live View.

At least all of the AF points are now cross type. I believe only the center AF point was cross type in the original 5D.

[LiquidAir]

The 5D MKII also has Live View which does help with critical focus for static shots. It will be interesting to see how well the Contrast Detect autofocus works in Live View.

At least all of the AF points are now cross type. I believe only the center AF point was cross type in the original 5D.

I can certainly see myself using Live View in a lot of situations. A live histogram and DoF preview will be very handy.

As for the other 8 being cross-type sensors, there are conflicting reports on this depending on which site you look at.

[AaronNelson]

ahh...live view to help with the T/S fine focus adjustments i find so hard to do...:wxwax

[timnosenzo]

At least all of the AF points are now cross type. I believe only the center AF point was cross type in the original 5D.
Actually the 5D MKII's AF really is the same as the originals, no cross type outer sensors. From RG.com:


Somewhat surprisingly, Canon has not adopted the 40D/50D's AF system which, on paper, is superior, given that all nine of its AF points are cross-type. Canon USA's Westfall says the reason for that is the "6 Assist AF points plus center point were deemed to provide a higher level of performance for AI Servo AF than the center point-only arrangement of the [40D and] 50D." Given that we've previously found the overall autofocus performance of the 5D to be decent, while the 40D's tracking capability has been erratic at best, Canon has likely chosen the better of the two AF systems for the 5D Mark II.
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-9316-9607

It's pretty much the only thing I'm disappointed in, otherwise it really looks excellent.

[ShebaJo]

I was searching to find whether the 5d mk ii has mirror lockup... I found a post that says "live view is your mirror lockup."

Not what I was hoping for, but better than nothing??? What do you think?

[jdryan3]

After seeing the rather low fps, I jumped to the Canon web site look at the 40D, 50D and 5D Mk II specs. Under Features & Specs for the first 2, the AF is linked to more detail and highly touted, especially the 50D and the f/2.8 (or faster) diagonal. Not so with the 5D Mk II. Simple 9 point AF mention. The 6 invisible shows up in the announcement.

If the tracking is significantly better, that may make up for it. I find the Westfall comment interesting, since most people who bought the 40D liked the tracking and AF in the reviews I read (well most people whose opinions I usually care about).

I really wanted the 6.3fps or faster and better AF. So I'll wait until more is revealed and reviewed. Ultimately, maybe Canon had to hold something back to keep from canonabilizing the 1D and 1Ds. Pun intended. And honestly, it may be that my needs simply aren't designed to be met by this camera.

sign me,
Happy 5D owner and still waiting

[Poseidon]

I was hoping for the 45 point AF....

Now, I have a choice for the upgrade of my wife's 20D, the 50D or the 5D II. We are a husband and wife team that shoots Weddings together, I use the 1D IIn, she needs an UPGRADE!

[Manfr3d]

I just watched this hands on review. And what they say is that
the new 5D actually has larger pixels than the old 5D. This is
because the old 5D had spaces between the pixels which the
new 5D II uses for additional pixels.

http://www.photographybay.com/2008/09/17/canon-5d-mark-ii-hands-on-video/

[marlinspike]

So, they give it a whole bunch of features I'd never use (video, 21MP, live view, sRAW), give it one I thought the 5D should have had (weather sealing), and don't address the biggest flaw: the AF and longer shutter lag than the 40D.

[LiquidAir]

I was searching to find whether the 5d mk ii has mirror lockup... I found a post that says "live view is your mirror lockup."

Not what I was hoping for, but better than nothing??? What do you think?

The 5DII mirror lockup feature is identical to the 5D. One nice thing is that on the 5DII you can assign MLU to a custom top level menu instead of chasing down into the CFs to get to it.

[Andy]

I just watched this hands on review. And what they say is that
the new 5D actually has larger pixels than the old 5D. This is
because the old 5D had spaces between the pixels which the
new 5D II uses for additional pixels.

I didn't hear this the same way. Are you sure?

[Manfr3d]

not really its 3 am here.

[LiquidAir]

I didn't hear this the same way. Are you sure?

I didn't find what he said at all clear.

Here's my guess on the sensor: the sillicon masks are the same as the 1Ds3, but the bayer filter array and the lenses are new for the 5D2. I don't put much stock in the discussion of photosite size because the acutal system is far to complicated to be summarized by one number. However, from what Canon is saying we can expect the 5D2 noise performance to be better than the 1Ds3. By how much? We'll have to wait and see.

[DJeano]

Is anybody concerned about this being the first Canon with video? I have always heard it is better to let others buy the first release of a model, wait till bugs are worked out, then buy. With this being totally new, do you think bugs might be a problem?

[jogle]

I can't wait to have a play with the video. First lens will probably be the 100mm macro with and extension tube or two. crazy closeup video of tiny little gross things.

Then maybe a tilt shift or fisheye.

I don't see it as much more then a nice addition. I'm not expecting broadcast quality HD on their first attempt. Then again, I've always been an enthusiastic early adopter.

[Richard]

Is anybody concerned about this being the first Canon with video? I have always heard it is better to let others buy the first release of a model, wait till bugs are worked out, then buy. With this being totally new, do you think bugs might be a problem?

Version 1 of just about anything is likely to have some rough edges. The question then becomes, can you live with them? It might be worth it despite some problems. After all, just about any product still has room for improvement. Personally, I am not interested in the video function at all. As long as it doesn't introduce problems in the other functions of the camera, I couldn't care less.

[ziggy53]

Version 1 of just about anything is likely to have some rough edges. The question then becomes, can you live with them? It might be worth it despite some problems. After all, just about any product still has room for improvement. Personally, I am not interested in the video function at all. As long as it doesn't introduce problems in the other functions of the camera, I couldn't care less.

:agree

[marlinspike]

Was it just the way my computer was playing it back, or was the sample video on dpreview quite choppy?

[jogle]

do you mean the 1080p videos of the liveview and replay menu? That was not choppy on my computer, you will find that full hd needs a fair bit of grunt to play smoothly

[wxwax]

I can't wait to have a play with the video. First lens will probably be the 100mm macro with and extension tube or two. crazy closeup video of tiny little gross things.

Then maybe a tilt shift or fisheye.

I don't see it as much more then a nice addition. I'm not expecting broadcast quality HD on their first attempt. Then again, I've always been an enthusiastic early adopter.
If it's HD, then almost by definition it will be broadcast quality, no? Unless they compress it horribly, of course.

I like the idea of a fish eye or wide angle. I also like bokeh, which is difficult to create with consumer video cameras.

[wxwax]

do you mean the 1080p videos of the liveview and replay menu? That was not choppy on my computer, you will find that full hd needs a fair bit of grunt to play smoothly
I believe you are correct - this is a computer issue.

Which raises the issue of those pesky 21 mpx. Buy more RAM. :lol3

[ulrikft]

Tried this camera today!

It feels great, operating is snappier than my 30d, the shutter sound is.. delicious!

Got some samples here:

http://ulrikft.smugmug.com/gallery/6001915_WxHQA#375168848_TH5rd

[ShebaJo]

Tried this camera today!

It feels great, operating is snappier than my 30d, the shutter sound is.. delicious!

Got some samples here:

http://ulrikft.smugmug.com/gallery/6001915_WxHQA#375168848_TH5rd
You tried it? Where? You lucky dawg. :wink Oh, I sooo want to try it!

I checked your link, didn't see pics... will check again.

Did you try the video?

[ziggy53]

Tried this camera today!

It feels great, operating is snappier than my 30d, the shutter sound is.. delicious!

Got some samples here:

http://ulrikft.smugmug.com/gallery/6001915_WxHQA#375168848_TH5rd

Your are truly blessed.

Do you know what the in-camera noise reduction settings were while you were shooting?

[ulrikft]

I tried video! You people that have IS lenses, be prepared to have _great_ fun :D

I don't know what settings they had on the camera, it was softwarelocked to standard JPG (so i guess some NR applied on the high iso images). I would imagine that raw images tweaked in bibble 5 or lightroom (or your software of choice) will look even better!

I preordered one today and I'm looking really, really forward to taking it for a ride when it arrives in late november :)

[ulrikft]

Iso 12800:


http://ulrikft.smugmug.com/photos/375171811_9zaVF-XL.jpg

[ShebaJo]

I tried video! You people that have IS lenses, be prepared to have _great_ fun :D

I don't know what settings they had on the camera, it was softwarelocked to standard JPG (so i guess some NR applied on the high iso images). I would imagine that raw images tweaked in bibble 5 or lightroom (or your software of choice) will look even better!

I preordered one today and I'm looking really, really forward to taking it for a ride when it arrives in late november :)

Cool. :thumb

Late November, lucky you! I hope I have one too! :barb

[Nikolai]

I don't do video, and I don't care much about it, but other than that 5D2 is *almost* like (and in some cases, better than) 1D3s for a third of a price. It will still take me a while to save for it, but I'll get it eventually :deal (Although it may be that 5D3 will be already out by the time I get the funds:-)

[Moogle Pepper]

I don't do video, and I don't care much about it, but other than that 5D2 is *almost* like (and in some cases, better than) 1D3s for a third of a price. It will still take me a while to save for it, but I'll get it eventually :deal (Although it may be that 5D3 will be already out by the time I get the funds:-)

:rofl

Same here!!

[jogle]

If it's HD, then almost by definition it will be broadcast quality, no? Unless they compress it horribly, of course.

I like the idea of a fish eye or wide angle. I also like bokeh, which is difficult to create with consumer video cameras.

Broadcast quality is always a bit of a moving target and it's been a long time since anyone could quantify it, but the frame size is only a small part of it. at 36Mbps in h.264 at 30fps (broadcast is 60fps) the 5dMkII has a chance of producing a good quality image (depending on the quality of the compressor) but I don't expect it to be near the same level of chroma fidelity, or dynamic range of the broadcast HD cameras.

[ShebaJo]

Crave article compares 5d mk ii to 5d, D700, Sony A900, and 1d mk iii (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10044432-1.html?tag=mncol;txt)

[NeilL]

Crave article compares 5d mk ii to 5d, D700, Sony A900, and 1d mk iii (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10044432-1.html?tag=mncol;txt)

Thanks for the link! That's a good introductory review. It uses few words, and that is how I feel about the 5DMkII. It doesn't inspire epics! :wink

Does it respond agilely under pressure and difficult conditions with practically flawless images?... We will have to wait and see. For tripod, snail pace set up shots, and controlled situations like weddings, I'm sure it will be thrilling. Like those huge old concertina studio cameras of a hundred years ago! :D

Of course, while you are waiting for things to be ready for the next shot you can amuse yourself with the video. A considerate compensatory offering from Canon, to be sure. :rolleyes

Only joking, hehe...

Neil

[Moogle Pepper]

I would rather wait for real life uses of the 5D mk II, than looking at comparisons on paper.

[Richard]

I would rather wait for real life uses of the 5D mk II, than looking at comparisons on paper.

:agree

[Jet Jaguar]

...but other than that 5D2 is *almost* like (and in some cases, better than) 1D3s for a third of a price.
Does that mean it's time to start 1D Mk IV rumors, or too early yet? :D

[jovitta]

JUST GOT THIS FROM USA CANON PRESS RELEASE.
http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20080917_5dmkii.html
IT LOOKS LIKE A WINNER OH YA ONE OF MY NEXT TWO PURCHES tHE FIRST BEING A 50D AND THEN THE 5D MARK II CANT WAIT i ALSO HAVE A SCHEDUALED PHOTO WORKSHOP IN YOSEMITE IN FEB. GOT TO LOVE IT:clap :clap :ivar

[jovitta]

Here (http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/5dmark2/index.html) is another site with more sample photos. :thumb

IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU COULD READ JAPANESE

[Shima]

http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/canoneos5dmkii_preview/


DPReview has sample photos now! 40 of them!

[ziggy53]

IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU COULD READ JAPANESE

All caps is considered "shouting" in many countries. Please use upper-lower case.

[Shima]

Some more photos w/ the new camera here (at high ISO)
http://www.prophotonut.com/2008/09/20/canon-5d-mk2-high-iso-pictures/#more-724