Facebook App?

[ktb53]

What's going on with the facebook app? Hope someone works on this soon.

[onethumb]

What's going on with the facebook app? Hope someone works on this soon.

So I just got a comment on my blog about this, too, so I'm very interested...

*However*, there's a big problem: SmugMug doesn't *have* a Facebook app. So I'm not sure what's going on with it - because it doesn't exist. :(

That being said, we're certainly open to building one. If we were to build one, what would you want it to do?

[Nimai]

I have no idea how feasible this is, but I would love to have tagging work.

Could people tag SmugMug photos just like they can tag themselves and their friends in the Facebook Albums?

Being able to buy prints from the Facebook app would be great too.

[PBolchover]

I've been using the "Big Smugmug" app for a long time - it still appears to be working.

There also appear to be apps called "My Photos from SmugMug", "My Smugmug Gallery" and "SmugFoto". Perhaps one of them has stopped working...

[ktb53]

I'm not a super facebook fanatic and I'm still getting the hang of things but I see all my friends posting their images and I would like a simple way to choose from my smugmug albums what photos I want to see on there, whether that is through a special tag, or something on the facebook app side I don't really care. I would be nice if the tagging that you put on your smugmug apps would "transfer" over to the facebook tagging but it's not a feature I use a lot.

Like another user said, there are like 4 (not very good) smugmug apps and I have yet to figure out one that works at all. I realize they are not made by you guys but you're not being represented well, especially when I hear a lot of people talking about flickr's solid facebook app. Viva Smugmug!


So I just got a comment on my blog about this, too, so I'm very interested...

*However*, there's a big problem: SmugMug doesn't *have* a Facebook app. So I'm not sure what's going on with it - because it doesn't exist. :(

That being said, we're certainly open to building one. If we were to build one, what would you want it to do?

[CSwinton]

So I just got a comment on my blog about this, too, so I'm very interested...

*However*, there's a big problem: SmugMug doesn't *have* a Facebook app. So I'm not sure what's going on with it - because it doesn't exist. :(

That being said, we're certainly open to building one. If we were to build one, what would you want it to do?

With the way Facebook is growing, having a solid SmugMug Facebook app. would be brilliant marketing for smugmug as well. Currently Flickr is the best integrated - with the code gurus that SM has it shouldn't be hard to make something competitive. ;)

[hyachts]

I'll pile on this request. I'm not huge into Facebook but a lot of people I know are, and are less likely to click through to my Smugmug site from my profile than they are to look at pics within Facebook. I'm loathe to put the pictures both places, so having a portal from one to the other would be ideal.

[marieboyer]

Agree completely with those hoping for a conduit between smugmug and Facebook. :bow

[tomauto]

I am ready for a facebook app from smugmug! I've stopped posting photos on facebook (I used to use it as a blog of sorts for all my friends) It would be great for them to know that I actually am still taking pictures!

Make is happen! :ivar

[afarber]

I completely concur. I've been using My Smugmug Photos app on Facebook, but it seems to not allow me to update it. All that app does is display 4 galleries in the facebook profile, which when clicked link directly to the smugmug gallery. That would be fine. Another option would be that the photos would appear in Facebook. Not sure which is better, but more flexible and more stable are hugely important for this to be a success.

I can't imagine why SM wouldn't want to jump on this. It would be very much worth the effort, I believe.

Thanks!!

[jamesl]

Add me into the list!!! What I would LOVE would be a slideshow app, similar to the one that many use with the sm pages. Can't that slideshow be embedded anywhere? Any facebook code monkeys around who could embed that into a facebook app?

Here's what I did in leau of a smugmug option. I put my photos on www.ning.com (http://www.ning.com), and created a facebook slideshow application there. They have instructions there for setting up a facebook app to show your photos. I setup this facebook app:

http://apps.facebook.com/langfordphotography/

Works pretty well, but doesn't auto start or loop like I would like, and it is not configurable.

James

[kerwien]

Glad to see this topic coming up. Let me describe my scenarios and provide a few detailed requirements.

Scenario: FB has rapidly become a key network tool for family, friends, and co-workers. The integration of news feed with applications, status updates, etc. has provided an ambiant and sticky appearance for habitual traffic. Translation: easy to see what people are up to. FB's photo features are nicely integrated. My main issue is that I want to use my SmugMug site for sharing photos and storage, not FB, so I need an easy way to share my SmugMug photo activity with my Facebook crowd. The current SM apps out there (there are only 3 from what I can, and one of them appears useless) really do not provide an adequate level of photo insight or customization that I already have on an SmugMug home page as a regular subscriber.

Requirements:

Allow me to post a SmugMug app on the new wall page of my FB profile. (this is the new FB UI, not the old one)
Allow me to share which Albums I want to appear in my App. The other SM apps do not provide the level of customization I'd like to see - they're either randomly appearing photos, album organized by category (who cares?), or a single custom profile photo (too limiting). I would like to see 2-4 albums minimum in the app, each using their assigned feature photo. Optional whether they display the photo album name.
Add an entry to the FB news feed with SmugMug details such as "Craig created a new album called Flying Toads and added 23 photos." "Craig added 15 new photos to Blue Angels photo album."
Optional: display a slideshow of the last 4 uploaded photos to an album(s).Several Flickr apps have similar functionality listed above, so would love to see a well rounded and supported app for SM. This is essentially a new distribution mechanism for our photos that drives traffic back to our SM sites - good for everyone all around.

(I would be happy to help beta test such an app if that helps.)

Thanks for listening...!

- craig
kerwien.smugmug.com
(http://kerwien.smugmug.com)

[omonra21]

Glad to see this topic coming up. Let me describe my scenarios and provide a few detailed requirements.

Scenario: FB has rapidly become a key network tool for family, friends, and co-workers. The integration of news feed with applications, status updates, etc. has provided an ambiant and sticky appearance for habitual traffic. Translation: easy to see what people are up to. FB's photo features are nicely integrated. My main issue is that I want to use my SmugMug site for sharing photos and storage, not FB, so I need an easy way to share my SmugMug photo activity with my Facebook crowd. The current SM apps out there (there are only 3 from what I can, and one of them appears useless) really do not provide an adequate level of photo insight or customization that I already have on an SmugMug home page as a regular subscriber.

Requirements:
Allow me to post a SmugMug app on the new wall page of my FB profile. (this is the new FB UI, not the old one)
Allow me to share which Albums I want to appear in my App. The other SM apps do not provide the level of customization I'd like to see - they're either randomly appearing photos, album organized by category (who cares?), or a single custom profile photo (too limiting). I would like to see 2-4 albums minimum in the app, each using their assigned feature photo. Optional whether they display the photo album name.
Add an entry to the FB news feed with SmugMug details such as "Craig created a new album called Flying Toads and added 23 photos." "Craig added 15 new photos to Blue Angels photo album."
Optional: display a slideshow of the last 4 uploaded photos to an album(s).Several Flickr apps have similar functionality listed above, so would love to see a well rounded and supported app for SM. This is essentially a new distribution mechanism for our photos that drives traffic back to our SM sites - good for everyone all around.

(I would be happy to help beta test such an app if that helps.)

Thanks for listening...!

- craig
kerwien.smugmug.com
(http://kerwien.smugmug.com)

+1 - Sounds great

[staceyeid]

Glad to see this topic coming up. Let me describe my scenarios and provide a few detailed requirements.

Scenario: FB has rapidly become a key network tool for family, friends, and co-workers. The integration of news feed with applications, status updates, etc. has provided an ambiant and sticky appearance for habitual traffic. Translation: easy to see what people are up to. FB's photo features are nicely integrated. My main issue is that I want to use my SmugMug site for sharing photos and storage, not FB, so I need an easy way to share my SmugMug photo activity with my Facebook crowd. The current SM apps out there (there are only 3 from what I can, and one of them appears useless) really do not provide an adequate level of photo insight or customization that I already have on an SmugMug home page as a regular subscriber.

Requirements:
Allow me to post a SmugMug app on the new wall page of my FB profile. (this is the new FB UI, not the old one)
Allow me to share which Albums I want to appear in my App. The other SM apps do not provide the level of customization I'd like to see - they're either randomly appearing photos, album organized by category (who cares?), or a single custom profile photo (too limiting). I would like to see 2-4 albums minimum in the app, each using their assigned feature photo. Optional whether they display the photo album name.
Add an entry to the FB news feed with SmugMug details such as "Craig created a new album called Flying Toads and added 23 photos." "Craig added 15 new photos to Blue Angels photo album."
Optional: display a slideshow of the last 4 uploaded photos to an album(s).Several Flickr apps have similar functionality listed above, so would love to see a well rounded and supported app for SM. This is essentially a new distribution mechanism for our photos that drives traffic back to our SM sites - good for everyone all around.

(I would be happy to help beta test such an app if that helps.)

Thanks for listening...!

- craig
kerwien.smugmug.com
(http://kerwien.smugmug.com)

+2 - Would love to see a well integrated SM app on Facebook.

[hyachts]

Now that Facebook has built a pretty substantial non-college-student user base (read: people who might actually pay for a web service) I would think this would be a smart investment for SM. A smooth integration with Facebook could drive a lot of traffic to SmugMug. I know the head muckety-muck chimed in on this thread at the very beginning, but can anyone from SM comment on whether this is a "never", "maybe", "probably" or *gasp* "soon"?

I, for one, am getting tired of having people on Facebook tell me to post more photos when my SM site is linked in my profile.

[Ryanrk]

I would love to see a integrated facebook app. One where it places the photos maybe in the facebook image section. Just want one so my friends can see the pictures in there news feed.

[palak]

I want this too!

So i've tried almost all the facebook apps built by others (and no offense to the authors) but they never work correctly. i am an avid facebook user (i'm on it everyday, many days multiple times a day)

I'd want:
1. facebook "downloads" smugmug pictures so that smugmug is the only place i have to upload pics too.
2. The pics can be viewed through the facebook instead of a click through to smugmug.
3. i don't need various sizes or the functionality of smugmug. all i need is the pic captions transfering over. and you're more than welcome to add in some smugmug advertising on each page :)
4. comments should still work but they don't have to transfer back to smugmug (would be a nice v2 though)
5. Tagging has to work...that's important for this to be worth it. something simple like what facebook pic has now
6. lastly my friends shouldn't have to add the app to view the pics...this may be a more facebook thing but this really puts a hamper on useage.

so.....when we getting a working facebook app :)

P.S. I'm a product manager for a SaaS company so feel free to ask me for more detailed specing / use cases info if you need it.

Thanks,
Palak

[darryl]

I know the head muckety-muck chimed in on this thread at the very beginning, but can anyone from SM comment on whether this is a "never", "maybe", "probably" or *gasp* "soon"?

The head muckety-muck also posted this:

http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/09/16/job-opening-social-sorcerer

:-}

[encosion]

With the way Facebook is growing, having a solid SmugMug Facebook app. would be brilliant marketing for smugmug as well. Currently Flickr is the best integrated - with the code gurus that SM has it shouldn't be hard to make something competitive. ;)I second this motion... I'd be happy to volunteer my services on the spec'ing, wireframing and UI front if SmugMug were willing to commit some serious development time to building an app...

Alterntely, if SmugMug isn't interested, perhaps someone else here is? Please get in touch! The current Facebook App offerings fall short in a number of ways - flexibility, ease of use, reliability, etc...

[Andy]

if SmugMug were willing to commit some serious development time to building an app...We hired a full-time Social Sorcerer on 15 October and he's been doing nothing but this since then :D Stay tuned! :deal

[encosion]

5. Tagging has to work...that's important for this to be worth it. something simple like what facebook pic has nowI agree with all your points (although the first point gets confusing with misuse of the word 'downloading')... I would think that point 5 is most likely impossible, but I'm not a Facebook nor SmugMug developer, so I'm not familiar with the APIs...

[scotticus]

Hey guys, I am the Sorcerer working on the FaceBook application, so please keep your comments coming. So far the only one that is going to be difficult to accomplish is the ability to Tag/Comment on photos, and then have those transferred back to SmuMug. Hopefully one day FaceBook will allow us to do something like this, but right now they don't have that functionality. I've added it to the wish list though, and I will also re-iterate the need for it back to FaceBook. Please keep the suggestions coming, the application is under active development and it helps me greatly to know what you guys want to see....

Thanks!

[DavidTO]

We hired a full-time Social Sorcerer on 15 October and he's been doing nothing but this since then :D Stay tuned! :deal


Can he get me a date?

Kidding, I'm married. :D

Very cool about the hire! Looking forward to seeing what you guys do on Facebook. :thumb

[afarber]

Hey Scotticus -

Congratulations on the gig! Incredibly happy that they hired for this position.

I've been following this thread and I'd love to give you some thoughts on the new app, but I was hoping you could first post the basic functionality that you anticipate having. There are so many directions one could go on an app like this, and I'd love to know which way you've chosen. From there, I think you could get some great constructive requests and comments.

Thanks much...looking forward to ver. 1.0.

Hey guys, I am the Sorcerer working on the FaceBook application, so please keep your comments coming. So far the only one that is going to be difficult to accomplish is the ability to Tag/Comment on photos, and then have those transferred back to SmuMug. Hopefully one day FaceBook will allow us to do something like this, but right now they don't have that functionality. I've added it to the wish list though, and I will also re-iterate the need for it back to FaceBook. Please keep the suggestions coming, the application is under active development and it helps me greatly to know what you guys want to see....

Thanks!

[jcloudm]

Hey guys, I am the Sorcerer working on the FaceBook application, so please keep your comments coming. So far the only one that is going to be difficult to accomplish is the ability to Tag/Comment on photos, and then have those transferred back to SmuMug. Hopefully one day FaceBook will allow us to do something like this, but right now they don't have that functionality. I've added it to the wish list though, and I will also re-iterate the need for it back to FaceBook. Please keep the suggestions coming, the application is under active development and it helps me greatly to know what you guys want to see....

Thanks!

I'll add my thoughts on cool ideas:

1. Tagging of friends in the pictures, even if it doesn't transfer back to SM.
2. Tab support (reference the MyFlickr FB app)
3. Automatic publishing to user's FB wall when smugmug galleries are created or updated.

I'll keep it coming as I think of them.

[jamesl]

Hey guys, I am the Sorcerer working on the FaceBook application, so please keep your comments coming. So far the only one that is going to be difficult to accomplish is the ability to Tag/Comment on photos, and then have those transferred back to SmuMug. Hopefully one day FaceBook will allow us to do something like this, but right now they don't have that functionality. I've added it to the wish list though, and I will also re-iterate the need for it back to FaceBook. Please keep the suggestions coming, the application is under active development and it helps me greatly to know what you guys want to see....

Thanks!

Awesome! Glad to hear smugmug is still doing a great job listening to their customers. :D :D :D :D :D

For me, as a print seller, I want to primarily use Facebook to promote my work and drive traffic to my website. What I would love is to be able to easily create a slideshow type app that is configurable, and can be easily added to facebook users' homepages and sidebars. Users should be able to click on any of the pictures in the slideshow they see, and be taken to the specific picture and gallery on smugmug where they could then potentially order a print or leave comments or whatever.

I was able to set something rough like that up using ning.com, but the traffic is sent to ning, rather than sm. Let me know if I can provide any other details.

James

[scotticus]

Okay, so ALL of this is obviously subject to change, but here is the list of features we have planned for FaceBook. We currently have 2 FaceBook applications planned: 1 for people just looking to share photos on FaceBook, and 1 for our Pros who are looking to establish a business presence on FaceBook.

Standard Application Feature Set:

Import photos from SmuMug into FaceBook Photo Albums
(once imported users can tag, comment, etc..). This will physically move a copy of your photos over to FB.
Export photos from FaceBook into SmuMug. This can be photos you've been tagged in, photos of your friends, or any albums you've created on FB.
Embed Your SmugMug photos into your profile (with a Note).
ECards - Send any of your SmuMug photos to other FaceBook users as an ECard.
Application Tab Support - Allows other FaceBook users to view selected SmugMug galleries inside of FaceBook. This is available off of your profile.
PhotoRank - PhotoRank allows you to submit a SmugMug photo for review by other FaceBook users. Everyone can then vote on and comment on the photos. There will then be a leaderboard where you can see the best photos for each month. (This is optional, you will need to submit a photo(s))
News Item Updates- We will automatically update your news feed for you (John just added 4 new photos, etc..)Professional Application Feature Set:

Unbranded and Completely Configurable
You can add Full contact information for yourself/business, as well as a photo/logo.
You can add tabs to it. Each tabs can either be textual content, or a gallery, or a combination of the two.
There will be a contact tab, where users can contact you via email, that will also display your contact info. (Fully configurable)
Mailing List Support - Will let users sign up for a newsletter (configurable and optional, and with admin to send notifications)
Optionally you can embed a photo or advertisement on your profile.
Optionally you can allow your photos to be sent as ecards, or to optionally be embedded on other people's profiles.
You can attach this application to a user, or to a page on FaceBook.Please let me know if you think I am missing something, or if you need some clarification on a feature. Obviously your feedback is incredibly important to us, and at this stage in development it really does help to know what everyone wants...

Thanks,
Scott.

[tgelston]

News Item Updates- We will automatically update your news feed for you (John just added 4 new photos, etc..)

I hope this will be optional - I don't want ALL my uploads to be announced on smugmug.


In general though the feature set looks awesome!

Thanks,
TObias

[scotticus]

Yes, it will be optional. It will be something you turn on/off in the FaceBook application.


I hope this will be optional - I don't want ALL my uploads to be announced on smugmug.


In general though the feature set looks awesome!

Thanks,
TObias

[encosion]

Standard Application Feature Set:
Import photos from SmuMug into FaceBook Photo Albums
(once imported users can tag, comment, etc..). This will physically move a copy of your photos over to FB.
Export photos from FaceBook into SmuMug. This can be photos you've been tagged in, photos of your friends, or any albums you've created on FB.
Embed Your SmugMug photos into your profile (with a Note).
ECards - Send any of your SmuMug photos to other FaceBook users as an ECard.
Application Tab Support - Allows other FaceBook users to view selected SmugMug galleries inside of FaceBook. This is available off of your profile.
PhotoRank - PhotoRank allows you to submit a SmugMug photo for review by other FaceBook users. Everyone can then vote on and comment on the photos. There will then be a leaderboard where you can see the best photos for each month. (This is optional, you will need to submit a photo(s))
News Item Updates- We will automatically update your news feed for you (John just added 4 new photos, etc..)Exciting stuff Scott... Seriously! Looks like you've put a lot of good thiought into this already...

I like the idea of importing photos into Facebook - I would urge you to think carefully about the UI here though... Other apps I've seen have done a very poor job of letting me navigate down to the gallery that I'm looking for... I have hundreds of galleries, pretty meticulously named and categorised (and sub-categorised), so for me, the best way to navigate would be through category, sub-category, gallery (sorted by alphabet)... But others may not like alphabetic sorting - they may prefer the order in which the galleries have been arranged in a category / sub-category... It seems like a small point, but it makes a world of difference to either party...

A quick rant: The way SmugMug currently 'helps' you move photos from one gallery to another using a seemingly un-ordered drop-down list of all galleries (seemingly without respect for categories and sub-categories) is not at all helpful or intuitive!

The way users navigate their own SmugMug site is what is familiar to them, so replicating this type of interface would make most sense... Once you've successfully navigated to a gallery, you would perhaps only see thumbnails, of which you would then multiple-select for import...

I would also like to suggest that each imported photo from SmugMug to Facebook, gets a direct link back to it's original location on SmugMug in the description field for that photo... Perhaps in brackets after the imported SmugMug caption field? Again, this may need to be an optional preference... I would prefer it... But others may not...

[scotticus]

Thanks for the input encosion, especially the difficulty with navigating through galleries. I will need to revisit this to make sure we come up with something that works well for users that have that many. I will also add the embedding of links to the original in the description field (and I will make it optional). That definitely seems like something that needs to be in there. Be sure to let me know if you come up with anything else.

Thanks,
-Scott.


Exciting stuff Scott... Seriously! Looks like you've put a lot of good thiought into this already...

I like the idea of importing photos into Facebook - I would urge you to think carefully about the UI here though... Other apps I've seen have done a very poor job of letting me navigate down to the gallery that I'm looking for... I have hundreds of galleries, pretty meticulously named and categorised (and sub-categorised), so for me, the best way to navigate would be through category, sub-category, gallery (sorted by alphabet)... But others may not like alphabetic sorting - they may prefer the order in which the galleries have been arranged in a category / sub-category... It seems like a small point, but it makes a world of difference to either party...

A quick rant: The way SmugMug currently 'helps' you move photos from one gallery to another using a seemingly un-ordered drop-down list of all galleries (seemingly without respect for categories and sub-categories) is not at all helpful or intuitive!

The way users navigate their own SmugMug site is what is familiar to them, so replicating this type of interface would make most sense... Once you've successfully navigated to a gallery, you would perhaps only see thumbnails, of which you would then multiple-select for import...

I would also like to suggest that each imported photo from SmugMug to Facebook, gets a direct link back to it's original location on SmugMug in the description field for that photo... Perhaps in brackets after the imported SmugMug caption field? Again, this may need to be an optional preference... I would prefer it... But others may not...

[jamesl]

Okay, so ALL of this is obviously subject to change, but here is the list of features we have planned for FaceBook. We currently have 2 FaceBook applications planned: 1 for people just looking to share photos on FaceBook, and 1 for our Pros who are looking to establish a business presence on FaceBook.

Standard Application Feature Set:

Import photos from SmuMug into FaceBook Photo Albums
(once imported users can tag, comment, etc..). This will physically move a copy of your photos over to FB.
Export photos from FaceBook into SmuMug. This can be photos you've been tagged in, photos of your friends, or any albums you've created on FB.
Embed Your SmugMug photos into your profile (with a Note).
ECards - Send any of your SmuMug photos to other FaceBook users as an ECard.
Application Tab Support - Allows other FaceBook users to view selected SmugMug galleries inside of FaceBook. This is available off of your profile.
PhotoRank - PhotoRank allows you to submit a SmugMug photo for review by other FaceBook users. Everyone can then vote on and comment on the photos. There will then be a leaderboard where you can see the best photos for each month. (This is optional, you will need to submit a photo(s))
News Item Updates- We will automatically update your news feed for you (John just added 4 new photos, etc..)Professional Application Feature Set:

Unbranded and Completely Configurable
You can add Full contact information for yourself/business, as well as a photo/logo.
You can add tabs to it. Each tabs can either be textual content, or a gallery, or a combination of the two.
There will be a contact tab, where users can contact you via email, that will also display your contact info. (Fully configurable)
Mailing List Support - Will let users sign up for a newsletter (configurable and optional, and with admin to send notifications)
Optionally you can embed a photo or advertisement on your profile.
Optionally you can allow your photos to be sent as ecards, or to optionally be embedded on other people's profiles.
You can attach this application to a user, or to a page on FaceBook.Please let me know if you think I am missing something, or if you need some clarification on a feature. Obviously your feedback is incredibly important to us, and at this stage in development it really does help to know what everyone wants...

Thanks,
Scott.

Slideshow? :deal :D It would be great to run a slideshow on facebook with photos from a particular gallery. Even better would be the ability to just reuse the existing slideshow app, but run it through facebook.

James

[hyachts]

Slideshow? :deal :D It would be great to run a slideshow on facebook with photos from a particular gallery. Even better would be the ability to just reuse the existing slideshow app, but run it through facebook.

James

Seconded.

[encosion]

Thanks for the input encosion, especially the difficulty with navigating through galleries. I will need to revisit this to make sure we come up with something that works well for users that have that many. Yeah, it's sorely needed... Just tried playing with http://animoto.com/ today and was pleasantly surprised to find that it can fairly effortlessly grab content from my SmugMug account! However, I encountered the exact same navigation problem I mentioned - no categories or sub-categories, just a seemingly random pile of galleries... Good luck! I hope you can come up with an elegant solution!

[Malte]

Embed Your SmugMug photos into your profile (with a Note).
Application Tab Support - Allows other FaceBook users to view selected SmugMug galleries inside of FaceBook. This is available off of your profile.

I'm interested in features that let me avoid handing over my bare naked behind to Facebook with regards to usage rights to my photos, and as far as I can tell the above two do just that. Can you tell me more about how they will work?

I would also like to be able to embed videos and slideshows.

Thanks,

Malte

[jhelms]

I'll pile on this request. I'm not huge into Facebook but a lot of people I know are, and are less likely to click through to my Smugmug site from my profile than they are to look at pics within Facebook. I'm loathe to put the pictures both places, so having a portal from one to the other would be ideal.

My thoughts EXACTLY! :thumb

[agallia]

Ditto again! I am presently using SmugFoto app in FB which seems to work pretty well...shows captions and EXIF. Any feedback on using SmugFoto with Smugmug?

[Malte]

http://apps.new.facebook.com/smugappbeta/?action=viewshareimg&AlbumID=6656443&AlbumKey=jXJHF&profileid=578956409&_fb_fromhash=c2fd6bdf09c00f26205e6aa3ce8dbfee

Malte

[hyachts]

http://apps.new.facebook.com/smugappbeta/?action=viewshareimg&AlbumID=6656443&AlbumKey=jXJHF&profileid=578956409&_fb_fromhash=c2fd6bdf09c00f26205e6aa3ce8dbfee

Malte

Error, error, error... Following that link gave me an error, adding the app gave me an error, and trying to navigate to the app? Error. Is this the official app? How did you come across it? Seems sort of official with the way it interacts with Smug.

In any case, I'll try back again later. Glad to see progress, if this is the official app.:thumb

[Malte]

Error, error, error... Following that link gave me an error, adding the app gave me an error, and trying to navigate to the app? Error. Is this the official app? How did you come across it? Seems sort of official with the way it interacts with Smug.

In any case, I'll try back again later. Glad to see progress, if this is the official app.:thumb

Is this the errormessage you found confusing?

"Error while loading page from SmugMug [beta] (http://www.new.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=85892050653)There are still a few kinks Facebook and the makers of SmugMug [beta] are trying to iron out. We appreciate your patience as we try to fix these issues. Your problem has been logged - if it persists, please come back in a few days. Thanks!"


It is the official app but it is in BETA. The developer posted a link on Facebook and it worked when I checked it out.


Malte

[agallia]

Check out this Dgrin thread (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=80174&page=2) for more info. As for Facebook, just search apps for "smugfoto" and install it in your profile. Seems to work well.

[hyachts]

Check out this Dgrin thread (http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=80174&page=2) for more info. As for Facebook, just search apps for "smugfoto" and install it in your profile. Seems to work well.

Different Smug/FB app. This one is official, and is still in Beta.

Is this the errormessage you found confusing?

"Error while loading page from SmugMug [beta] (http://www.new.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=85892050653)There are still a few kinks Facebook and the makers of SmugMug [beta] are trying to iron out. We appreciate your patience as we try to fix these issues. Your problem has been logged - if it persists, please come back in a few days. Thanks!"


It is the official app but it is in BETA. The developer posted a link on Facebook and it worked when I checked it out.


Malte

I may have seen that one, but mostly I see a lot of much nastier ones. For example right now I get:
880820093checkingUserID-->880820093CurrSess--> Not An Array Fatal error: Class 'SocialApp' not found in /home/scott/scott-1-smugmug/services/facebookapp/config.php on line 129

Hmmm....

[hyachts]

My favorite error messages are the ones that say You're a Super User! we have Fatal error: Call to a member function Execute() on a non-object in /home/scott/scott-1-smugmug/services/facebookapp/sharegallery.php on line 20 (this is when trying to "share this gallery")
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Where's scotticus - this is his, right? Is there some official channel I can use to report bugs?

[Andy]

My favorite error messages are the ones that say (this is when trying to "share this gallery")
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Where's scotticus - this is his, right? Is there some official channel I can use to report bugs?
Not at the moment, as a new version is coming out. Consider that to be on STOP BETA. Sorry!

[DavidTO]

Anyone seen this warning (http://www.photographershandbook.com/2009/01/11/facebook-terms-of-use-member-beware/) about Facebook's TOS? Any thoughts on it? :ear

[ale_ers]

Any idea on when this will be available? Still getting Errors on the beta (code 12 if that means anything).

[wrollins]

Any idea on when this will be available? Still getting Errors on the beta (code 12 if that means anything).

Same here... and I am also very interested in any news on the possibility of a new version!

As for DavidTO's comment on Facebook's TOS - I can totally understand the hesitation of a professional photographer when it comes to posting their photos on FB given that they surrender all rights to their own works, but for the casual point and shooter who just wants to share pics of their friends with their friends, I don't see it being a big deal. (I fall into the latter category obviously)

[microcosm_1]

http://dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=118751 did you see this thread .... i'm using it, and i'm happy!

[jchin]

Anyone seen this warning (http://www.photographershandbook.com/2009/01/11/facebook-terms-of-use-member-beware/) about Facebook's TOS? Any thoughts on it? :ear

:huh you've gotta be kidding ... that means someone can steal the photo and use at he/she pleases

[manbou]

Anyone seen this warning (http://www.photographershandbook.com/2009/01/11/facebook-terms-of-use-member-beware/) about Facebook's TOS? Any thoughts on it? :ear
By using smugfoto, you are not "posting" your photos to Facebook. The data stay on SmugMug's servers. Hence, it seems to me that Facebook has no right to such photos and it can go stick its grubby paws where the sun don't shine. :deal

[agallia]

Just reread section on "User Content Posted on the Site" Facebook Terms of Service (http://www.facebook.com/terms.php?ref=pf) which ends with "...Facebook does not assert any ownership over your User Content; rather, as between us and you, subject to the rights granted to us in these Terms, you retain full ownership of all of your User Content and any intellectual property rights or other proprietary rights associated with your User Content." In fact, Smugmug has similar verbiage in its Terms of Use, Item 13. (http://www.smugmug.com/aboutus/terms.mg#termsService). So, I'm interested in seeing where this thread leads. What is the primary concern?

[OffTopic]

I'm the person who alerted Cris Mitchell (Photographer's Handbook) about the FaceBook concern when he started his page over there, and he forwarded the information to Carolyn Wright, who you may know as Photo Attorney. You can read her blog post on the FaceBook rights grab here. (http://www.photoattorney.com/2009/01/facebook-can-use-your-content-for.html)

Cris then asked Carolyn if using an RSS feed or API hack circumvented the problem and she replied that it did not - FaceBook would still have the right to use your content. You can read that post here (http://www.photographershandbook.com/2009/01/12/facebook-terms-of-use-quick-update/).

[manbou]

I'm the person who alerted Cris Mitchell (Photographer's Handbook) about the FaceBook concern when he started his page over there, and he forwarded the information to Carolyn Wright, who you may know as Photo Attorney. You can read her blog post on the FaceBook rights grab here. (http://www.photoattorney.com/2009/01/facebook-can-use-your-content-for.html)

Cris then asked Carolyn if using an RSS feed or API hack circumvented the problem and she replied that it did not - FaceBook would still have the right to use your content. You can read that post here (http://www.photographershandbook.com/2009/01/12/facebook-terms-of-use-quick-update/).
Thanks, I read Cris's post describing Carolyn's response.

It seems Ms. Wright is assuming that using an RSS feed/ API to display photos on Facebook is the same thing as "posting" photos on Facebook. I am curious as to whether Ms. Wright can cite any legal precedent or other authority for this proposition. Unless the definition of "posting" has already been resolved through well-established case law or some sort of statute, I believe it would be, at the very least, an open question to be decided in court.

My own view is that a photo is not "posted" on Facebook if it has not been uploaded to Facebook's servers. In the case of RSS feeds or API's, Facebook is just showing you content that has been posted elsewhere.

Think about it: Even if Facebook decides it wants to use one of your photos that you displayed via Smugfoto, how is it going to get the photo? It would have to download the photo from Smugmug and copy it to the Facebook servers, since you never put it there yourself. I think a court would frown on such actions... but hey, what do I know? :scratch

[manbou]

Just reread section on "User Content Posted on the Site" Facebook Terms of Service (http://www.facebook.com/terms.php?ref=pf) which ends with "...Facebook does not assert any ownership over your User Content; rather, as between us and you, subject to the rights granted to us in these Terms, you retain full ownership of all of your User Content and any intellectual property rights or other proprietary rights associated with your User Content." In fact, Smugmug has similar verbiage in its Terms of Use, Item 13. (http://www.smugmug.com/aboutus/terms.mg#termsService). So, I'm interested in seeing where this thread leads. What is the primary concern? In fact, Smugmug's terms are quite different than Facebook's. :deal

Smugmug's terms say:
You retain all copyright in any Content you post in any Interactive Areas. However, by posting any Content or otherwise participating in any Interactive Area, you grant SmugMug a perpetual, nonexclusive, royalty-free right to use, publish, distribute, reproduce, perform, adapt and display the Content on the Site, including the right to use the name that is submitted in connection with such Content. You further understand and agree that, in order to help ensure smooth operation of our system, we may keep backup copies of Content indefinitely. So Smugmug only claims the right to use your photos on Smugmug, while Facebook is claiming the right to do whatever the heck it wants with your photos: publish them in a book, use them in TV ads, sell them, whatever.

[hyachts]

Thanks, I read Cris's post describing Carolyn's response.

It seems Ms. Wright is assuming that using an RSS feed/ API to display photos on Facebook is the same thing as "posting" photos on Facebook. I am curious as to whether Ms. Wright can cite any legal precedent or other authority for this proposition. Unless the definition of "posting" has already been resolved through well-established case law or some sort of statute, I believe it would be, at the very least, an open question to be decided in court.

My own view is that a photo is not "posted" on Facebook if it has not been uploaded to Facebook's servers. In the case of RSS feeds or API's, Facebook is just showing you content that has been posted elsewhere.

Think about it: Even if Facebook decides it wants to use one of your photos that you displayed via Smugfoto, how is it going to get the photo? It would have to download the photo from Smugmug and copy it to the Facebook servers, since you never put it there yourself. I think a court would frown on such actions... but hey, what do I know? :scratch
Similarly, if Facebook can somehow assert its right to content linked to on its sight (RSS feed, API, so on), how is it that I can link to virtually anything on the web and have a thumbnail of it show up on Facebook. I'd venture to guess that they're not saying anything of the sort...

[agallia]

In fact, Smugmug's terms are quite different than Facebook's. :deal

Smugmug's terms say:
So Smugmug only claims the right to use your photos on Smugmug, while Facebook is claiming the right to do whatever the heck it wants with your photos: publish them in a book, use them in TV ads, sell them, whatever. Good point. Looks like the correct answer for those of us concerned about that possibility is to drop the FB SmugFoto app and only post low res photos.

[manbou]

According to the email below that I received from Facebook, Facebook's Developer Terms of Service (http://developers.facebook.com/terms.php) clearly state that Facebook takes "no right of any kind" (other than rights expressly granted in the Developer agreement) in "Facebook Platform Application Content". From the Developer ToS:

Facebook obtains no rights of any kind (other than the rights and licenses expressly granted in this Agreement) in, Facebook Platform Applications you create and in the Facebook Platform Application Content, and all associated Intellectual Property Rights (subject to Facebook's underlying rights in Facebook Platform and Facebook Site)

Those "expressly granted" rights and licenses seem to concern only the ability to use the Application Content for limited purposes, on Facebook only. Again, from the Developer ToS:

"You hereby grant us a worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive right and license, with the right to sublicense, to: (a) access, reproduce, display, distribute, perform, and store on our servers your Facebook Platform Application and any Facebook Platform Application Content, and to create derivative works of Facebook Platform Application Content, as may be necessary or desirable to make such Facebook Platform Application and Facebook Platform Application Content available to Facebook Users in accordance with the terms of this Agreement and the Facebook Platform Documentation (http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php) and the Facebook Platform Application Guidelines (http://developers.facebook.com/guidelines.php); and (b) otherwise access, use and analyze any Facebook Platform Application Content for our internal business purposes (e.g., for the purposes of targeting delivery of advertisements or other content to persons who have viewed particular types of Facebook Platform Application Content). You understand and agree that Facebook Platform Application Content that is displayed on the Facebook Site may continue to appear on the Facebook Site, even after you have terminated access to your Facebook Platform Application or terminated this Agreement, as such Facebook Platform Application Content may have been incorporated into user profiles, news feeds or other features, and that such usage may continue indefinitely."

The upshot of all this seems to be that when you use the Smugfoto application to display Smugmug-hosted photos on Facebook, you retain all rights to use your photo and Facebook receives no license to use the photo in any other way.

True, Facebook could argue that their publishing your photos in a book or using them in a magazine advertisement would be "desirable to make such Facebook Platform Application and Facebook Platform Application Content available to Facebook Users", but this claim seems tenuous at best given that (1) such uses would reach a wide audience of Facebook users and non-users alike, and (2) the Developer ToS are markedly different from the ordinary User ToS with respect to Facebook's license to use user content.

So, I think we can say Smugfoto users are NOT granting Facebook any sort of broad license to use their photos. Spread the word!

(Email from Facebook follows below.)


==============================


--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Facebook Support <developers-help+dixixix@facebook.com> wrote:
From: Facebook Support <developers-help+dixixix@facebook.com>
Subject: Re: Question about Facebook copyright policy and Terms of Use
To: [xxxxx]@yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 2:36 AM

Hi [xxxxx],

Thank you for your inquiry. Section 4 of our Developer Terms of Service (http://developers.facebook.com/terms.php) states that "You retain all right, title and interest in and to, and Facebook obtains no rights of any kind (other than the rights and licenses expressly granted in this Agreement) in, Facebook Platform Applications you create and in the Facebook Platform Application Content, and all associated Intellectual Property Rights (subject to Facebook's underlying rights in Facebook Platform and Facebook Site)", where "you" represents an application developer. Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Thanks for contacting Facebook,

Maurice
Platform Developer Operations & Support
Facebook



-----Original Message to Facebook-----
From: [xxxxx] ([xxxxx]@yahoo.com)
To: copyright@facebook.com (copyright@facebook.com),privacy@facebook.com (privacy@facebook.com)
Subject: Question about Facebook copyright policy and Terms of Use

To Whom It May Concern:

I would like to know whether Facebook takes the position that using a Facebook Application to view content hosted on servers at a third-party site, counts as "posting" User Content to Facebook under the Facebook Terms of Service.

In particular, I am interested in how this matter applies to the Facebook Application called "Smugfoto" (http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=8226496548)

Facebook's Terms of Service state:

"When you post User Content to the Site... you automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to the Company an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part) and distribute such User Content for any purpose..."

The Smugfoto application lets Facebook users view photos that a user has posted to the site Smugmug.com. Such photos remain hosted at Smugmug.com and, to the best of my knowledge, are not transfered to Facebook servers at any time. Therefore, it would seem to me that they are not "posted" on Facebook for purposes of the abovementioned term and license.

Could you please clarify Facebook's position on this matter?

Thank you,
[xxxxx]
-----End Original Message to Facebook-----

[agallia]

According to the email below that I received from Facebook, Facebook's Developer Terms of Service (http://developers.facebook.com/terms.php) clearly state that Facebook takes "no right of any kind" (other than rights expressly granted in the Developer agreement) in "Facebook Platform Application Content". From the Developer ToS:... Thanks again for taking your time to get clarification on the FB questions. Appreciated.

[DavidTO]

Apparently, they've changed their TOS (http://consumerist.com/5150175/facebooks-new-terms-of-service-we-can-do-anything-we-want-with-your-content-forever) for the worse.

[manbou]

Thanks again for taking your time to get clarification on the FB questions. Appreciated. Bad news: The same Facebook guy wrote back to me yesterday and said that oops, he got it wrong. Facebook DOES claim the same rights to use photos viewable through Smugfoto as it does for photos you post directly on Facebook:

--- On Wed, 2/18/09, Facebook Support<developers-help+nixixir@facebook.com> wrote:
From: Facebook Support <developers-help+nixixir@facebook.com>
Subject: Re: Question about Facebook copyright policy and Terms of Use
To: XXXXX@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 2:42 AM

Hi XXXXX,

I apologize for my misunderstanding. The answer to your question is yes; Facebook retains these rights over photos displayed within an application (such as SmugFoto). If you would like to remove this application and block it from interacting with your account, you may do so on its About page. There you will have the option to "Block this Application" on the right side of the screen.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Thanks for contacting Facebook,

Maurice
Platform Developer Operations & Support
Facebook



-----Original Message to Facebook-----
From: XXXXX (XXXXX@yahoo.com)
To: Facebook Support (developers-help+nixixir@facebook.com)
ArrayCC: copyright@facebook.com (copyright@facebook.com), privacy@facebook.com (privacy@facebook.com)
Subject: Re: Question about Facebook copyright policy and Terms of Use

Maurice,

You already replied to my question on 5 February. It seems you are now changing your answer.

But I don't know what an application's "canvas page" is. I am not an application developer; I am just an ordinary user of the Smugfoto application on Facebook. Also, I cited the user TOS, not the developer TOS as you claim, so your new answer is confusing. Please note that the developer of Smugfoto has no rights to my content hosted on the Smugmug site. I, the end user, am the rights holder for that content.

My question, which I am still not sure you have answered, is this:

Does Facebook claim that an ordinary user who makes remotely-hosted photos visible on Facebook via the Smugfoto Facebook Application gives Facebook the same rights to use those photos as if he had posted the photos directly on Facebook?

Remember, I am an ordinary user, not a developer. Please give me a direct and specific "plain English" answer to this simple question. A simple yes or no will do.

If Facebook is now claiming this right in contravention of your previous response, I will immediately remove the Smugfoto application from my account. I expressly reject and will contest any attempt by Facebook to assert control over any content of mine that I never posted on Facebook.

Sincerely,
XXXXX



--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Facebook Support
<developers-help+nixixir@facebook.com> wrote:
From: Facebook Support <developers-help+nixixir@facebook.com>
Subject: Re: Question about Facebook copyright policy and Terms of Use
To: XXXXX@yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 7:08 AM

Hi XXXXX,

I sincerely apologize for the delay in responding to your email. The section of our Developer Terms of Service that you cited does in fact apply to content hosted at a separate server but displayed within an application's canvas page on Facebook. Please let me know if you have any further questions or need further clarification on this issue.

Thanks,

Maurice
Platform Developer Operations & Support
Facebook

I have stopped using Smugfoto as a result, and I recommend other Facebook users do the same.

[agallia]

Bad news: The same Facebook guy wrote back to me yesterday and said that oops, he got it wrong. Facebook DOES claim the same rights to use photos viewable through Smugfoto as it does for photos you post directly on Facebook:



I have stopped using Smugfoto as a result, and I recommend other Facebook users do the same. Thanks much for update. I too have now deleted the SmugFoto app from my Facebook. Will also be very careful about which photos I choose to put on their site.

I assume putting links to my Smugmug site on Facebook doesn't fall under the same category and is "safe". Regards.

[manbou]

Thanks much for update. I too have now deleted the SmugFoto app from my Facebook. Will also be very careful about which photos I choose to put on their site.

I assume putting links to my Smugmug site on Facebook doesn't fall under the same category and is "safe". Regards.
I don't think even Facebook could make the ridiculous claim that it owns content that you merely link to. (Then again, I wouldn't put it past a particularly stupid and aggressive lawyer to try...)

[papajay]

I don't think even Facebook could make the ridiculous claim that it owns content that you merely link to. (Then again, I wouldn't put it past a particularly stupid and aggressive lawyer to try...)

According to a Law.com post today, Facebook has announced a turn-about regarding it's policy change and is returning to it's earlier position.

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202428366838

[DavidTO]

According to a Law.com post today, Facebook has announced a turn-about regarding it's policy change and is returning to it's earlier position.

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202428366838


It's temporary while they completely re-write the TOS http://blog.facebook.com/

[DrDavid]

It's temporary while they completely re-write the TOS http://blog.facebook.com/
I've always maintained that Facebook is evil and stupid. I've just permanently DELETED my Facebook account. This is NOT the first time that FB has tried to go well beyond what they should be doing. From beacon to these TOS's.. It doesn't matter that they changed their tune; it's that they've done it over and over and over and over again in the past. They're a slimy company from beginning to end. It's just that they were caught this time. How about next time?

David

p.s. I'm on twitter @WolfSnap

[encosion]

Until 1 person gets burned by Facebook abusing or making money off their artistic content, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it... Don't cut off your nose to spite your face

P.S. Gaining context doesn't hurt either: There are over 6.76 billion people on this planet, just how important do you think your view of the world really is? Who really gets credit for that winning portraiture? The photographer or the subject, or the sun for it's light, or the clothes designer for that garment which 'brings out his eyes', or the manufacturer for the device you used to capture the image you're claiming ownership over? Everything is built on top of or off the back of something else...

[Pupator]

I've always maintained that Facebook is evil and stupid.



I think a case for evil and stupid can be pretty clearly made.

http://www.dgrin.com/showpost.php?p=1047356&postcount=75

[peestandingup]

Until 1 person gets burned by Facebook abusing or making money off their artistic content, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it... Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.
Thats what Im saying. Have you ever heard of such a thing happening to anyone, ever? No. And it probably wont. If it did, people would drop FB so fast it would make their head spin & they'd be done.

Anyways, how could they EVER get to a photo you were merely linking to like in a SmugFoto app?? They're shown at such a small resolution & if you right-click protect them on the app & on your site, with big sizes turned off, there's just no way.

[Pupator]

Thats what Im saying. Have you ever heard of such a thing happening to anyone, ever? No. And it probably wont. If it did, people would drop FB so fast it would make their head spin & they'd be done.


No, people wouldn't drop it. Facebook has done all manner of nonsense against their customers and it hasn't affected their numbers yet.

[RBrogen]

I take the proceed with "Extreme Caution" approach. While FB has been known to go through different iterations of their ToS and business model, they are no different than most companies looking to maximize their position in the market. I'm not overly concerned that one day they will show up at my door asking for royalties on photos from my SM galleries or them taking my photos and selling them. There isn't a lot of grey area when it comes to intellectual properties when it comes to photos. The hard reality is that FB is a very, VERY...did I mention it was VERY popular venue for a large number of potential customers. I use the analogy of an electrical outlet, if you aren't plugged in, you don't get any juice. I think the keys to being successful in the FB venue are know the beast known as FB and use their platform to your advantage. Be careful with any content "posted" to their photo galleries because there isn't any protection. People can just right click and save the photo, no muss, no fuss.

I for one prefer having the option to connect my SM to FB.

[agallia]

I take the proceed with "Extreme Caution" approach. While FB has been known to go through different iterations of their ToS and business model, they are no different than most companies looking to maximize their position in the market. I'm not overly concerned that one day they will show up at my door asking for royalties on photos from my SM galleries or them taking my photos and selling them. There isn't a lot of grey area when it comes to intellectual properties when it comes to photos. The hard reality is that FB is a very, VERY...did I mention it was VERY popular venue for a large number of potential customers. I use the analogy of an electrical outlet, if you aren't plugged in, you don't get any juice. I think the keys to being successful in the FB venue are know the beast known as FB and use their platform to your advantage. Be careful with any content "posted" to their photo galleries because there isn't any protection. People can just right click and save the photo, no muss, no fuss.

I for one prefer having the option to connect my SM to FB. Good points. I have come to your conclusion too. At least we can somewhat control who has access to our Photos or Smugfoto thru "normal" channels by FB and SM Privacy settings.

[mlseatwa]

I've been getting a message for several days that the smugapp beta is down for maintenance. Does anyone know if it's still supported by SmugMug?

[agallia]

I've been getting a message for several days that the smugapp beta is down for maintenance. Does anyone know if it's still supported by SmugMug? I am using the Smugfoto app on FB and it is working okay this AM. Not familiar with "smugapp beta".

[mlseatwa]

I am using the Smugfoto app on FB and it is working okay this AM. Not familiar with "smugapp beta".
There's a message earlier in this thread (Dec 17) with a link a beta application that was being developed by SmugMug to integrate with Facebook. It had, I think, better integration of galleries than Smugfoto and the other apps I tried. It seemed to work really well until a week ago. Since then it just displays a message that it's down for maintnenance. If it's still in development I'll wait it out, but if it's been killed I'll move to one of the other apps. Facebook just updated their interface, so I think a lot of apps have to be updated.

[jhelms]

This one seems to be working still....

http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=64482210139&ref=nf

[PhotoMarkus]

Hi Scotticus

What's the status of your Facebook app ? When do you expect the pro version to be beta released ?

Thx,
Markus

[hyachts]

I just watched Ziv ("gillat" on here)of Eye-Fi push a huge number of his photos from Phanfare to Facebook in the space of minutes using phanfare's FB app (http://help.phanfare.com/index.php/Facebook_Application). This is what I want, and more... It's disappointing that SmugMug doesn't seem to be working on this any more.

[Andy]

SmugMug doesn't seem to be working on this any more.
Really? That's funny because we have a fulltime sorcerer dedicated to social apps with SmugMug, and one of those Apps is SmugMug for Facebook, which we're currently testing right now. :D

[hyachts]

The key word here is "seem", Andy. The post above mine is three weeks old asking about the official app, and not a peep from Scotticus. Unless I'm missing some other "SmugMug's official FB app updates" thread, everybody knows this thread is here, including your full time social app sorcerer.

To add to this, you had a beta app that reared its head months ago and then just slithered away into the ether with very little information given.

So I stand by my statement. Until you said something just now it seemed that you were no longer working on it. Had there been no activity or interest from your side in the past it might be reasonable to never say anything to customers about it, but that's not the case.

[Andy]

The key word here is "seem", Andy. The post above mine is three weeks old asking about the official app, and not a peep from Scotticus. Unless I'm missing some other "SmugMug's official FB app updates" thread, everybody knows this thread is here, including your full time social app sorcerer.

To add to this, you had a beta app that reared its head months ago and then just slithered away into the ether with very little information given.

So I stand by my statement. Until you said something just now it seemed that you were no longer working on it. Had there been no activity or interest from your side in the past it might be reasonable to never say anything to customers about it, but that's not the case.
We don't talk about everything :D I'm sorry you feel like we dropped the ball. The fact is, there's lots of social stuff getting close to becoming live. Hang in there :D

[hyachts]

I'm glad something is forthcoming. I trust it'll be something to behold... :thumb

[GollyJer]

I can't wait for this. The phanfare implementation looks pretty perfect. Hopefully SmugMug's is able to meet or beat!

[Khristen]

What's going on with the facebook app? Hope someone works on this soon.

Not asking for changes just wanted to say SM has been super fantastic to work with so far and I'm really enjoying it.
I think between Facebook and twitter SM is on a roll! Could it be????
SMUGMUG's plan to take over the world is working :rofl

[lavallie]

I would also like to put a gallery slide show in FB. I don't necessarily need to import the photos there, but just provide a YouTube-Like window that lets the person go forward and backwards throught the photos.

Adding pics to FB just causees me to try to keep track of more photos added to my many, many photos.

Cute tricks like adding the photo file name and maybe my SmugMug description and click on pic to go to picture on SM would be nice but keep it simple.....

Thanks

My smugmug page: http://lavallie.smugmug.com
My facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/bill.lavallie

[leebase]

We don't talk about everything :D I'm sorry you feel like we dropped the ball. The fact is, there's lots of social stuff getting close to becoming live. Hang in there :D

Did I miss the announcement? That was April and it's now Jul.

Very much interested in a FB app. FB has become the #1 way people view my photos. I pretty much upload to smugmug, then to fb now. The tagging and connection to news (when I post photos to fb) is what brings people to see the photos.

Sorry if the app has been released and I just missed it,

Lee

[agallia]

Did I miss the announcement? That was April and it's now Jul.

Very much interested in a FB app. FB has become the #1 way people view my photos. I pretty much upload to smugmug, then to fb now. The tagging and connection to news (when I post photos to fb) is what brings people to see the photos.

Sorry if the app has been released and I just missed it,

Lee Check out the Smugmug 'help' on Sharing (http://www.smugmug.com/help/social-networks). Facebook is addressed there. The Facebook app SmugFoto also has some value.

[hyachts]

Did I miss the announcement? That was April and it's now Jul.

Very much interested in a FB app. FB has become the #1 way people view my photos. I pretty much upload to smugmug, then to fb now. The tagging and connection to news (when I post photos to fb) is what brings people to see the photos.

Sorry if the app has been released and I just missed it,

Lee

FWIW - I've been happier with the way SimpleMug integrates than with what I've seen of the official integration so far.