Lightroom 2. out now!

[jogle]

The final version has just been released!

http://lightroom-news.com/2008/07/28/adobe-releases-photoshop-lightroom-2/


Now do I upgrade straight away or do I wait for the smugmug uploader to be updated?:scratch

[DonRicklin]

The final version has just been released!

http://lightroom-news.com/2008/07/28/adobe-releases-photoshop-lightroom-2/


Now do I upgrade straight away or do I wait for the smugmug uploader to be updated?:scratchThere is a current SmugMug plugin for LR2 already. If you are using LR you should be using Jeffrey Friedl's SM Plug-in (http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/plugin-installation/).

It is all I use to upload to SM from LR2.

Don

[jogle]

There is a current SmugMug plugin for LR2 already.....


Doh, I should have known it would have already been sorted! :D

[cmason]

Doh, I should have known it would have already been sorted! :D

Well, is it worth dropping $99 on the upgrade?

[Moogle Pepper]

That is what I would like to know as well! I am highly interested in the selected editing part!

[pyrtek]

The localized correction brushes alone are worth $99, yet you get so much
more than that with this upgrade. Definitely worth it.

[Andy]

Upgraded, painlessly :clap

[Anthony]

Well, is it worth dropping $99 on the upgrade?


Why not try downloading the 30 day trial?

Anthony.

[Moogle Pepper]

Is Lightroom 2 worth getting if I already have Aperture 2?

[DonRicklin]

Is Lightroom 2 worth getting if I already have Aperture 2?THe only way you will know for sure is to try the 30 day Trial! Go for it!

Don

[Rhuarc]

Does anyone know if the localized edits in LR2 go with the XMP? (or in my case DNG) Meaning that if I make localized edits in LR to either a CR2 or DNG would those changes carry with the files? I know that the edits would not show up if you then used another RAW converter on the files, but what about ACR (once it gets updated) ? Is it going to have the same localized edits capability? My guess is it will not.

So assuming this is the case if I am using CR2 files then I would guess the localized edits will not go with the files. What about DNG? Because it has a full size embedded preview would the localized edits show up on the preview image which is what I use for printing a lot of my basic prints anyway.

If I needed to create a new thread for this please do so! This question has been hanging around my head since I heard LR2 was going to have this feature, and I need to get it figured out so I know whether or not I should use them.

For people's information I use Lightroom only for the initial RAW conversion. Here is my basic approach:

1) Import CR2 files into LR
2) Make all basic RAW edits
3) Export changes to XMP
4) Convert CR2 to DNG files
5) Remove files from LR Library
6) Import DNG files into IDImager
7) I print from IDImager as long as the image doesn't need further editing. This uses the full embedded preview for printing, which is generally good enough since it is of the "developed" RAW data.
8) If I need to do further editing I open the DNG in ACR, make any edits, then open in Photoshop'
9) I save the edited file as a tif and import into IDImager as a version. I then use this as the print version from IDimager.

Thanks you!!

[CatOne]

Pretty sure ACR 4.5 can show the edits. It must be ACR 4.5, though -- earlier versions don't support the LR 2.0 enhancements.

[DonRicklin]

Pretty sure ACR 4.5 can show the edits. It must be ACR 4.5, though -- earlier versions don't support the LR 2.0 enhancements.And PSCS3! for Edit in Photoshop! AFAIK

Don

[Rhuarc]

Pretty sure ACR 4.5 can show the edits. It must be ACR 4.5, though -- earlier versions don't support the LR 2.0 enhancements.


Hmm, ok, so if this is the casel especially with DNG files, then I guess I can assume the embedded preview is going to show the edits as well, since the preview created based on all of the edits in the XMP files when the DNG is created.

And if that is the case since IDImager uses the embedded preview of DNG files for both display and printing that should work perfectly!!

[patch29]

NAPP users should check the discounts page to save a little. :deal

[barryw]

There is also a 15% coupon code available for both the full and upgrade version here...

http://www.couponheaven.com/merchant.cfm/macromedia

Good till July 31st...

Cheers

[cmason]

There is also a 15% coupon code available for both the full and upgrade version here...

http://www.couponheaven.com/merchant.cfm/macromedia

Good till July 31st...

Cheers

Thanks, but looks like you have to buy both Lightroom and CS3 to qualify...durn

[barryw]

Thanks, but looks like you have to buy both Lightroom and CS3 to qualify...durn

No - you don't - if you click in the link for the LR 2.0 (full or upgrade, see the discounted prices) you go to a page that loads your cart - check the price there. The other stuff about CS3 and what not is purely marketing trying to get you to purchase more.

Barry

[Tee Why]

Well, is it worth dropping $99 on the upgrade?
I bought the upgrade and like the LR 1, I'm not impressed.
Here is a place to get a 15% discount, good till 7/31/8

I think if you liked LR 1, you will continue to like it. If you didn't, then nothing in LR 2 will change your mind. As for the local editing feature. I watched the tutorial and tried it out a few times and find using the PSE's selection tool much easier/faster/more powerful. So I'm not happy with my decision to upgrade. Oh well.

http://www.digitaleditor.com/adobe?kw=lightroom%20coupon&gclid=coehwbxi5zqcfqczgqodkjarrw&redirect=1

[Ann McRae]

As someone that has never had lightroom, and only switched to full CS3 last fall, and shoots sports...is this a better spend than new glass would be? I'd like to find a way to batch change WB/temp and maybe a couple other mods, then edit one by one. I am spending ALOT of time now doing basic edits to 4 gigs of game photos.

Thanks!

ann

[jogle]

As someone that has never had lightroom, and only switched to full CS3 last fall, and shoots sports...is this a better spend than new glass would be? I'd like to find a way to batch change WB/temp and maybe a couple other mods, then edit one by one. I am spending ALOT of time now doing basic edits to 4 gigs of game photos.

Thanks!

ann

If all you want to do is copy raw setting from one picture to another, you can do that in Bridge that comes with CS3. open one photo in ACR, tweak the settings, then click "done" instead of "open".

Then in bridge go to the menu: Edit > Develop Settings > Copy Develop Settings ; Edit > Develop Settings >Paste Develop Settings

[pyrtek]

As for the local editing feature. I watched the tutorial and tried it out a few times and find using the PSE's selection tool much easier/faster/more powerful.
But within Lightroom you are doing this on the RAW file. This is something
that has never been possible up till now. Saying that you can do the same
kinds of edits in Photoshop is missing the point. You can do anything in
Photoshop, that you can do in Lightroom, but being able to do as much as
possible before the RAW file is rendered is a huge deal and one of the
reasons that these brushes are getting so much (deserved) attention.

[Anthony]

I bought the upgrade and like the LR 1, I'm not impressed.


[..]

http://www.digitaleditor.com/adobe?kw=lightroom%20coupon&gclid=coehwbxi5zqcfqczgqodkjarrw&redirect=1

Why on earth didn't you download the 30-day trial to check if you liked the product before spending your money?

Anthony.

[arodney]

Does anyone know if the localized edits in LR2 go with the XMP? (or in my case DNG) Meaning that if I make localized edits in LR to either a CR2 or DNG would those changes carry with the files? I know that the edits would not show up if you then used another RAW converter on the files, but what about ACR (once it gets updated) ?

Yes, that's the plan.

You need to always manually update the embedded JPEG in a DNG but after doing so, you'd see the update edits.

[Ann McRae]

If all you want to do is copy raw setting from one picture to another, you can do that in Bridge that comes with CS3. open one photo in ACR, tweak the settings, then click "done" instead of "open".

Then in bridge go to the menu: Edit > Develop Settings > Copy Develop Settings ; Edit > Develop Settings >Paste Develop Settings

Hmmm, can you do that at once for a whole card worth of photos -> copy settings to 500 photos at the same time?

This post (http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/671805)
on Fred Miranda answers my question.
Right, it's far from bulk-only processing. In fact, just the opposite. It allows you to make unique individual edits to each photograph without having to go through the old open, save, close, open, repeat routine. And of course you can also sync adjustments across multiple images simultaneously, particularly useful for syncronizing white balance settings across a series captured under the same color temp. Chris M


That is how I worked in Rawshooter - bulk change everything, then proceed one by one with tweaks. I need that ability, and it sounds like LR has it.

ann

[jogle]

Hmmm, can you do that at once for a whole card worth of photos -> copy settings to 500 photos at the same time?


Yes you sure can, this is exactly how I do it for reference pics I shoot at work. Set the white balance based on a greycard shot and then copy that to the rest.

If you liked rawshooter, give the LR 30 day demo a go.

[colourbox]

That is how I worked in Rawshooter - bulk change everything, then proceed one by one with tweaks. I need that ability, and it sounds like LR has it.

Both Bridge and Lightroom can do that. Lightroom isn't necessary for that if you already have Bridge. Lightroom is a bit more friendly though, since you don't have to do your edits inside a Camera Raw dialog box.

You can also undo a bulk metadata sync in Lightroom. In Bridge, if you paste settings onto images and then realize the file selection accidentally included 450 other images that should not have been changed, there's no way back.

[arodney]

Its not really fair to lump Bridge with Lightroom. Bridge is simply a browser, LR is a database. Then there are the additional modules.

IF all you want to do is process Raws, you can just use Bridge and ACR. The two cloned at the neck in no way makes Lightroom.

[Hindsight]

Thanks for the 15% coupon. 15 bucks... yeh woohoo! It worked fine.

[Ann McRae]

Its not really fair to lump Bridge with Lightroom. Bridge is simply a browser, LR is a database. Then there are the additional modules.

IF all you want to do is process Raws, you can just use Bridge and ACR. The two cloned at the neck in no way makes Lightroom.

So, as I thought I'd heard, lightroom does what I needed PLUS lots more.

Can you expand on the 'lots more'? Or point to the info elsewhere.

Thanks
ann

[DonRicklin]

Try the LR2 Announcement (http://www.lightroomforums.net/showthread.php?t=2578) at LR- Forums for a good listing and links to more info.

Don

[arodney]

Can you expand on the 'lots more'? Or point to the info elsewhere.


The print module alone is worth the price of admission for some. If you've ever had to print multiple images out of Photoshop, you know its a drag and its time consuming. In LR, select the images, a template and you're done. The web gallery module is equally useful to those making web galleries.

[cmason]

Ann: will just go down the list of what I do with LR. Remember, this is in one tool, and I can batch any of these commands, sync edits across images, copy edits to images, etc:

For any image, RAW or JPG:

Import, catalog, tag
sort, rate, flag (no not Dr Seuss, but it is that easy)

Adjust:
-Exposure
-Tone
-Whitebalance
-black level
-brightness
-contrast
-vibrance
-saturation
- tone curve:highlights, shadows, etc

Crop
Straighten
spot remove (heal/clone)
red-eye remove
Sharpen
Add Noise Reduction
Add/remove vignette

Oh and upload to Smugmug.

All of the above are in one tool, NON DESTRUCTIVE, meaning there are no layers, everything can be undone and reversed.

You can create multiple 'virtual images' applying different edits to each.

Then there is print and web modules, but I never use them. Can you do these in Bridge/CS? Yes, but I find that in CS I need to do too many layers, and adjustments across images are not a few clicks away. You can do it, but with LR it is just dirt simple and build around photography. I have CS3, I use it on perhaps 5% of images now: I launch from LR when i need some more involved cloning, or masking that LR isnt designed for. But even then, LR handles the files, including creating a PSD for CS3.

[thebigsky]

Oooh, guess what, the upgrade is $160 in the UK, thanks again Adobe for treating your UK customers with such contempt.

Charlie

[Cameron]

... I have CS3, I use it on perhaps 5% of images now: I launch from LR when i need some more involved cloning, or masking that LR isnt designed for. But even then, LR handles the files, including creating a PSD for CS3.

Since I started using LR I've been using CS3 much less... now with the local adjustment brush and gradient tool I'll venture into Photoshop even less!

[jww]

Downloading now and can't wait to fire it up!! :nod

[eoren1]

As the old saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words.
Here's a photo that serves the purpose of comparing Lightoom 1 and 2. I have to admit hardly ever venturing out of Lightroom. Below is the image as best I could get it with LR 1.

Lightroom 1.1.4
http://eoren1.smugmug.com/photos/312847538_kKN7P-M.jpg

Now, with 5 minutes of tinkering in LR2, we get this. I used the 'neutral density/gradient' tool to drop the exposure of the sky by 1 and then used the local adjustment on the rock and increased that exposure by 1. Also changed the camera calibration profile to Canon Landscape.

Lightroom 2
http://eoren1.smugmug.com/photos/342163925_KTMkx-M.jpg

Hopefully you'll agree that this is a better image. This is what I had pictured in my mind's eye but never could get out of LR 1. I remain too stupid to know how to do any of this in photoshop.

As for the cost, just think of the savings in graduated neutral density filters alone...

The only problem now is trying to keep myself from revisiting every single old photo and reprocessing them...:rolleyes

Hope this helps,
E

[JWCarter]

As the old saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words.
Here's a photo that serves the purpose of comparing Lightoom 1 and 2. I have to admit hardly ever venturing out of Lightroom. Below is the image as best I could get it with LR 1.

Lightroom 1.1.4
http://eoren1.smugmug.com/photos/312847538_kKN7P-M.jpg

Now, with 5 minutes of tinkering in LR2, we get this. I used the 'neutral density/gradient' tool to drop the exposure of the sky by 1 and then used the local adjustment on the rock and increased that exposure by 1. Also changed the camera calibration profile to Canon Landscape.

Lightroom 2
http://eoren1.smugmug.com/photos/342163925_KTMkx-M.jpg

Hopefully you'll agree that this is a better image. This is what I had pictured in my mind's eye but never could get out of LR 1. I remain too stupid to know how to do any of this in photoshop.

As for the cost, just think of the savings in graduated neutral density filters alone...

The only problem now is trying to keep myself from revisiting every single old photo and reprocessing them...:rolleyes

Hope this helps,
E

Is the Beta 2 upgradable for $99?

[eoren1]

not sure...never did the beta route.
anyone else?

[Ann McRae]

Well, I downloaded the free trial and am tinkering. So far I think this will be an awesome tool for me -> raw conversion through to cropped photo all at once. Now I need to really figure out how to make the bulk changes stick. I thought synchronize would do it, but apparently not. This is just a learning curve/workflow thing, I know. Anyway, I think this will be a better use for my $ than a new lens right now!

ann

[cmason]

Well, I downloaded the free trial and am tinkering. So far I think this will be an awesome tool for me -> raw conversion through to cropped photo all at once. Now I need to really figure out how to make the bulk changes stick. I thought synchronize would do it, but apparently not. This is just a learning curve/workflow thing, I know. Anyway, I think this will be a better use for my $ than a new lens right now!

ann

Ann: you can do this by copying and pasteing Develop settings. Simply right click a photo, select Develop Settings, and choose "Copy'...then 'Paste' on the target photos. But Sync is more powerful....watch these videos...

http://www.lightroomkillertips.com/2007/video-applying-edits-to-multiple-photos/

http://www.lightroomkillertips.com/2008/friday-video-tip-auto-syncing/

[jww]

Well, I downloaded the free trial and am tinkering. So far I think this will be an awesome tool for me -> raw conversion through to cropped photo all at once. Now I need to really figure out how to make the bulk changes stick. I thought synchronize would do it, but apparently not. This is just a learning curve/workflow thing, I know. Anyway, I think this will be a better use for my $ than a new lens right now!

ann

In the develop module and assuming you have one photo selected, do a shift click to select the rest of the photos to sync to the current photo's settings. (Insure that first photo is still the current photo if like me, prone to hyperactive clicking..;)

Click the sync button and in the resulting panel, select whatever settings that you want to pull over... Then click the syncronize button in that same panel. You should start seeing newly rendering thumbs in the filmstrip as well as those changes once you start navigating to those photos. Maybe already aware of this, but since you are new to Lightroom, keep in mind that you are not making any changes to your originals.. Those changes will be in the resulting exported pics, prints, slideshow, or web gallery.

Have fun! :thumb

[CatOne]

Is the Beta 2 upgradable for $99?

I don't even know what you mean. If you're asking if you can get LR 2 for $99 because you used the beta, no. If you paid for LR 1 and have been using the LR 2 beta you can upgrade for $99, yes.

[Hindsight]

I don't even know what you mean. If you're asking if you can get LR 2 for $99 because you used the beta, no. If you paid for LR 1 and have been using the LR 2 beta you can upgrade for $99, yes.

Exactly and if you hurry you can get it for $84 using the code mentioned earlier.

[jogle]

Both Bridge and Lightroom can do that. Lightroom isn't necessary for that if you already have Bridge. Lightroom is a bit more friendly though, since you don't have to do your edits inside a Camera Raw dialog box.

You can also undo a bulk metadata sync in Lightroom. In Bridge, if you paste settings onto images and then realize the file selection accidentally included 450 other images that should not have been changed, there's no way back.

That's why it's wise to use XMP sidecar files. if you blow them away you are back to the defaults. Or if you use time machine you can go back to the last version if it was there long enough to be backed up.

[eoren1]

Anyone else notice odd behavior when moving photos? I posted this to the Adobe Forum but have not gotten any replies. Thought I would check here as well:

I set about moving some photos around from the 'unfiled' directory that they initially get dumped in to folders that bear my children's names. In LR 1, moving the photo would immediately remove those thumbnails from the library grid. However, in LR 2, this is not happening. All of my thumbnails are still in the 'unfiled' directory. Tried clicking other directories and then returning without any changes.
Anyone experiencing this? Any thoughts on modifying this behavior?
Thanks,
E

[geospatial_junkie]

No its not a better spend than new glass! :D However, it is great spend otherwise. I got it a couple of days ago and the minor tweaks in it really make it more smooth. Love the added brushes to it.

[Hindsight]

Between the brush tool and graduated filter thingy I was easily sold. The rest was just icing. Better CS3 integration, 64bit, more print options, keywording upgrade, better search interface, smart collections, dual monitor support, more slide show options, and assorted other tweaks. It's a whole different program now just with brush + automask of exposure, sat, sharpening, contrast, and others.

[jww]

After working with it today for the first time. Wow.. it is a really nice upgrade. I love the new tools and I like the nice tweaks to the interface. A few things moved that I keep going for in the wrong spot like the mask tool, but I love the changes. Makes the dev bar much handier with all the goodies accessable and much easier workflow.

I even had it successfully convert my original 1.0 catalog that would not convert to 1.1 and was supposedly toast. Heck.. that alone was worth the upgrade price in my book!! :thumb

[zoeblue]

As someone that has never had lightroom, and only switched to full CS3 last fall, and shoots sports...is this a better spend than new glass would be? I'd like to find a way to batch change WB/temp and maybe a couple other mods, then edit one by one. I am spending ALOT of time now doing basic edits to 4 gigs of game photos.

Thanks!

ann

There is a way to do that Ann. If you have a lot of pics with the same/similar settings, you change one photo, then highlight all the other ones you would like the same change, press "sync" and all the highlighted photos now have the same changes.

I use Lightroom all the time to make batch changes. It's pretty quick and easy.